MyDD :: Looks like the Clinton demagoguery works

Looks like the Clinton demagoguery works

by Moonwood, Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:50:02 PM EST

Look at many of the titles of the diaries on this site. Trashing Obama with rumor and innuendo. Since Iowa when Hillary said "this is the fun part" referring to her perceived need to go negative, well she went negative and has eked out victories in NH and NV. This site is particularly vitriolic. But going negative has a price and Clinton has seriously alienated the anti-war left and African Americans. I will probably vote for her in the GE but I have many progressive friends who will not. I also know many people who are on the margins but absolutely will not vote for her - they would rather not vote then vote for her.
The serious question for you Clinton people is how is the Democratic party going to recover from the Clinton victory? (if it happpens)
Yogi Berra said "it ain't over til its over"

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You're (1.00 / 0)

one sick chicken. I feel sorry for you if you really feel like that.

Your attitude is one the reasons Democrats can't get a ruling majority. Arrogant hatefilled drivel.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:02:07 PM EST

your comments about hill r so gentle, fair, kind (2.00 / 2)

im considered the meanest of the mean about obama ...but i always say i like obama, would vote for him if he were stupidly made the nominee and even want him as hill's vp. i do say he would get thumped by th gop if he were the nominee, he is way too inexperienced for the job, he does lie about rezko [and some other stuff] and his campaign lies about EVERYTHING - but none of that compares to the stuff you've said -{when youre not constantly asking why people are soo mean to obama] some of your best comments about hillary below...oh, i meant worst..

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Bill's third term (none / 0)

= Bush's third term - oh boy I can't wait.
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[new] Hillary's tactics (none / 0)

are very similar to Rove. Lying Cheating Fraud
None of the others have stooped the such depths

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Obama's numbers were way off - It may be racism - more likely its Diebold vote fraud. Hillary is in on the fix - she sold her soul to the neocons. Now like W she will be the recipient of electronic voting "gifts". America loses again.

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[new] Hillary has damaged the party (none / 0)

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[new] I think this site is over (1.20 / 5)

run by Republican moles and Hillary staffers. \

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Mollie (none / 0)

be nice. You write like you are so superior - usually that means you feel insecure.

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[new] Mollie Bradford is a Republican (none / 0)

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Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. And the Democratic party will lose and America will lose.
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You beat your kid (none / 0)

Where's the denial - then it must be true
sick sick sick

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- she is lying. That is exactly why many of us can not vote for Hillary -Rove lite

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Yes she will be able (none / 0)

to step into Bush/Rove shoes. Lies,lies, and more lies. Its very depressing to see someone I once supported become an expert demagogue.

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[new] If Hillary wins the nomination (none / 0)

Many of us will drop out of the process. We got excited when Edwards and Obama threatened her powerful machine but she is Republican lite and many of us will lose interest. Its very sad for America but it has happened before. America gets another overly compromised President and continues downward.

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I wanted to vote for Hillary but she sold herself to the very people she was fighting - pharma, insurance, war profiteers.

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so much that she may win the nomination but she is unelectable. You Hillaryites may win the battle but you'll lose the war. Many progressives will not vote for Hillary. Republicans will drive her negatives up and she will lose. In the case that somehow she can use her Rovian tactics to pull of a win - the country will be so polarized she will get little done.

Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!

by Seymour Glass on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:12:43 PM EST
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Seymour (none / 0)

I stand by what I have said - One thing I am not so sure about anymore is that Hillary will lose the GE.
The Republicans are so pathetic.

None of my posts are hateful. I do think that Hillary is a demagogue
- that is the worst thing I have said about her. Thats pretty bad - but many politicians demagogue.

I don't think Obama would run with Hillary.
But maybe.
I would be disappointed if he did - She's pulled some real crap.

Hillary's problems with negative are very real. The Republicans know all they have to do is drive her negative up 5 points and she is toast. she has far higher negatives than any other Democrat - no matter how many times you Hillary people try to deny it.

You can tell me I full of shit that she will triumph easily - but many things wait to be seen.
She is at best only getting 50% of the Democratic vote -
I know many progressive who are adamant not to vote for her. Her negative campaigning these past two weeks almost lost me. But I come to my senses and maybe others will too. The idea of President Romney may wake some up.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:30:26 PM EST
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Re: Seymour (none / 0)

how many times can u b wrong in so few words.

nothing will ever match the disgrace of obamas campaign portraying the clintons as racists ...ever.

obama would take the vp slot a second. if not, he will never have a 2nd chance at the wh.

his negs are higher in some polls than hillarys.

i suggest you stop getting all your news from obama fan sites.

Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!

by Seymour Glass on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:11:08 PM EST
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Seymour (none / 0)

show me one poll - you been asked this before - one poll where Obama's negative are anywhere near Hillary's or else stop repeating it.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:34:52 PM EST
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What Obama (none / 0)

fan sites - I'm a novice at blogs so I have not found any Obama sites - do you know of some?

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:36:30 PM EST
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Re: Looks like the Clinton demagoguery works (none / 0)

The Democratic Party will be fine. Barack Obama will be fine, too.

In reality there's still more than a few votes to count in this campaign.

Consider that Ronald Reagan got clobbered twice in the primaries before he won the presidency. And he still wound up being a pretty transformative figure, or so they tell me.

I'm sure a lot of the people who supported Reagan for President in 1968 felt like the conservative movement was doomed because he didn't get the nomination. The Republican Party is screwing itself, they surely thought. Funny how things work out.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:06:09 PM EST

Steve (none / 0)

you must be young - Reagan first ran for president in 1976. He was beaten by Gerald Ford. He ran again in 1980. Where he beat sitting president Jimmy Carter in the GE
in 1968 he was governor of California - I think

Thanks for your kind words

As Yogi Berra said "it ain't over til its over"

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:15:24 PM EST
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Re: Steve (none / 0)

I'm not THAT young, hehe. Reagan did try for President in 1968, although 1976 was definitely a more serious attempt.

I figured the world had pretty much ended when we lost in 2004 anyway. The only thing that matters is to keep fighting!

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:21:39 PM EST
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Re: Steve (none / 0)

Reagan ran 3 times. First in 1972, second in 1976 which created a great divide in the GOP and third time in 1980 which of course everybody knows.

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!

by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:51:48 PM EST
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Re: Steve (none / 0)

Everyone is a historian today, it seems.

Are you telling me Reagan challenged Nixon, the incumbent, in 1972?

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:57:55 PM EST
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Re: Steve (none / 0)

Sorry but I got 1972 wrong. Nixon had opposition for the GOP nomination but Reagan wasn't one of them.

Put me down as one of those people willing to admit mistakes :)

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!

by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:07:11 PM EST
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Re: Steve (none / 0)

Actually, moon, Reagan ran a very late starting campaign in 1968, (my impression is that it took place mostly at the convention) as a way to wave the conservative banner. Nixon's main competition for the nomination was Rockefeller, who was the real target of Reagan and that wing of the party.

by rayspace on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:24:16 PM EST
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My friends (none / 0)

and I used to make fun of the idea of Reagan being president. We thought "no one will vote for this idiot. Boy were we wrong.

Some may be tempted to think the same of Romney - remember he won in liberal MA.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:33:18 PM EST
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Re: Looks like the Clinton demagoguery works (none / 0)

sour puss

by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:06:43 PM EST

Moonwood you are sad and pathetic. (none / 0)

Show some grace under pressure.

by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:25:37 PM EST

Re: Looks like the Clinton demagoguery works (none / 0)

There does seem to be a lot of anti-Obama diaries- but I'm sure if you added up all the anti-Obama diaries that appeared here and all the anti-Hillary diaries- the anti- Hillary diaries would overwhelmingly dwarf his total. And please.... they went negative on her long before she started going negative on them- and she had to, just to defend herself.

by reasonwarrior on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:29:23 PM EST

Cut me a break (none / 0)

maybe on Dkos but here is overwelmingly anti-Obama. Just read the list on the right of the page. One pro-Obama to 6 anti.
Even though on the poll Jerome did Obama won.
Thats the youth vote.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:37:11 PM EST
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Re: Cut me a break (none / 0)

You're 100% CORRECT. Most of the Hillary-bots are so nasty and unpleasant that they have been thrown out of all forums but this one. THey overwhelmingly ooppose Obama. It's amazing.

by dataguy on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:27:59 PM EST
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If Edwards isn't in. (none / 0)

I go with what the MSM has been pushing from the get go on this primary - it's all about historical value rather than the best person for the office, which would have been the true change candidate John Edwards.

Now- since the 2 most alike are on top, and firmly placed there by the MSM, I guess it looks like my vote will have to go to Hillary, being and over 50 women type vote.

So, I guess that's what many wanted to follow the MSM and vote for historical value then vote for the real person who was willing to fight all the way for you and me.

SO, Obama supporters, I guess that means I must go for Hillary - sorry the MSM told me so. Hope you enjoy it.

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by dk2 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:32:17 PM EST

You may be (none / 0)

but many many others will not. I will probably vote for Hillary - if she wins - still an if. But I know lots of people who are absolutely anti-Hillary. If the Hillary people think this is going to be a cakewalk they have a surprise coming.

What scares me is this: President Romney

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:40:08 PM EST
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Moonwood so called progressives often Naderite. (none / 0)

They swarm here and at Kos. At the end of the day most will vote for her were stuck at the top of an emotional curve at the moment so I take their threats with a pinch of salt. Obama's a great guy, and I have great respect for him but he's not the guy to be the nominee. This country is in deep doo doo domestically and internationally. I don't think folks have the remotest idea of the economic precipice we are on the edge of at the moment, know what a bond insurer is, well they are about to fail. If they did the Dow could shed 2000 points in a day. Clinton is best and safest pair of hands. I've no doubt foreign govt's are praying she's goiong to make it.

by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:05:30 PM EST
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I totally (none / 0)

disagree with your assessment

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:41:28 PM EST
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Re: You may be (none / 0)

I agree - the republican nominee I most dread is Romney. He's just the type of loser the republicans would love to elect, and generally a Gov. tends to have a better shot than a Senator (no votes to come back to haunt them, I guess).

by AnnC on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:11:21 PM EST
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This is the Clintons' fifth national campaign (none / 0)

This is the first time one of their campaigns has gotten unusually bitter and divisive.

This is Obama's first national campaign. So far, his kinder, gentler brand of politics is 1-for-1 on unusually bitter and divisive campaigns.

by Trickster on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:37:29 PM EST

Wrong (none / 0)

Edwards' support went almost 100% to Obama (comparing entry polls to caucus results).

Edwards supporters are beginning to realize that it is either Hillary or Obama, and they are going Obama.

by dataguy on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:23:23 PM EST

Re: Wrong (none / 0)

You are so so wrong about where Edwards supporters went, unless you think Dkos is the real world.
Over there, most Edwards Supporters who wanted to sit at the popular kids table and not have their lunch stolen went with Obama, but many others just left the site. And started our own site, even.
In the real world, most Edwards supporters were health care and economy voters, and Clinton was a bigger draw to most of them.

by sgary on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 04:22:26 PM EST
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Quit lying (none / 0)

Hillary and her surrogates did the race thing.

by dataguy on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:24:03 PM EST

The Democrats will vote for Hillary (none / 0)

But who the fuck cares about that.

There are 3 parties in this country. The Democrats right now are 42-45 %. Repukes are 38-42 %. Indep are the rest.

Will the indep vote Hill? I dunno. There is a HUGE anti-Hillary sentiment. HUGE.

Can she build a winning plurality out of what is there? I dunno, since many Dems hate her, there are no Repukes that will support her, and indep situation is unclear.

Where is the Hillary winning coalition?

by dataguy on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:32:20 PM EST

You hit it on (none / 0)

the head - this is the question for Clinton folks: Where is the Clinton coalition?
Who is she going to bring on board?
Maybe moderate Republican women?
I really can't think of anyone else

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:43:59 PM EST
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Ah, clearly you are worried (none / 0)

since you have no clue where the winning coalition comes from.

by dataguy on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:33:18 AM EST
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I think (none / 0)

Water Hen used to be mollie

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 09:30:51 AM EST
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