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Is it over for Edwards?

by mikelow1885, Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:30:36 PM EST

Four percent today in Nevada. Orginally, he was my first choice, but he lost credibility with the haircut, the house and the hedge fund. He sounded too much like the angry trial lawyer and his message wound up being divisive instead of unifying.

With the economy possible heading into recession, one would think
Edwards' message would resonate now. But he's slipped further and further. I think this is because Hillary Clinton has emphasized economic issues, and it's paying off.

My forecast is for Edwards to call it quits after South Carolina next Saturday. There's no leverage without delegates and single-digit percentages.

Tags: John Edwards, Democrats, Nevada caucuses (all tags)

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Re: Is it over for Edwards? (none / 0)

My guess is that Edwards goes on to Feb 5th, but you have to wonder, wasn't the SC debate with a 5% NV threshold?

by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:34:21 PM EST

Re: Is it over for Edwards? (none / 0)

nm, that was national polls-- the measure for CNN.

by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:35:14 PM EST

I am (none / 0)

with Edwards until HE decides it is over!

http://johnedwards.com

Jan. 18th?
http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2008/1 /19/16242/1593

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:35:35 PM EST

Re: I am (2.00 / 1)

I'm with Edwards until he says it's over, too, or it's revealed he exercised bad judgement, which I have yet to see.

It would be interesting to see a head to head match up between Edwards and Clinton in regard to the issues, as opposed to image, and/or race.

Perhaps with Barry out of the way, that might be possible.

by Marsha1 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:45:05 PM EST
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Re: I am (none / 0)

I agree with staying with Edwards. I have a hard time with the "Barry" tag. His name is Barack.

It just looks mean spirited when supporters of each candidate call names or denigrate.

sorry.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:39:38 PM EST
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Re: I am (none / 0)

Me to.

by puresmoke on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:26:44 PM EST
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Less than 10%? (none / 0)

It is an embarassment and really makes him a non factor going forward. To be "king maker" he needs to pull at least 15%.

by dpANDREWS on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:35:54 PM EST

Re:He doesn't need 15% (none / 0)

Read the analysis in the link below - yes, only one opinion, but I don't think Edwards will need 15% to have a voice at the convention.

I think he'll stay in it as long as he has any cash left, and definitely through Feb 5th. Frankly, he doesn't have anything to lose by staying in. He isn't running for office again (at least I would be surprised) and he doesn't have another job to return to.

If he were worried about his ego and what people thought of him, he wouldn't be running a populist campaign.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=3242

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

by passionateprogressive on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:09:40 PM EST
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Re: Is it over for Edwards? (none / 0)

Edwards wants to play kingmaker, but I doubt that's going to happen when his supporters continue to choose side.

If his support among white voters in SC collapse, Clinton will probably narrow her loss to Obama within single digits.

by prisonbreak on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:35:55 PM EST

Let him pick (none / 0)

With 5% it is meaningless.

It won't all go one place, not even close. So maybe someone picks up 2% of his support and someone gets 3.

by dpANDREWS on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:41:42 PM EST
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Re: Let him pick (none / 0)

It's not 5% of voters, it's 5% of delegates in a caucus state with a viability threshold.

Then again, I should be rooting for you people to write off Edwards as irrelevant so you stop begging him to drop out. It's annoying.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:43:49 PM EST
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I believe in many states you need 15% (none / 0)

To get delegates. No 15% no delegates, unless I am wrong.

That being said, look at recent polling out of SC. That has turned into a 2 person race and this actually does more to make it that way. Edwards will be a joke if he goes past SC.

by dpANDREWS on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:53:27 PM EST
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Re: Let him pick (none / 0)

We only have the entrance polls to look at to give us an indication of what his vote may have been. Wasn't there a poll though in the last week which had this as a three way tie? I don't see what happened to cause such a dramatic shift.

by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:00:41 PM EST
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Re: Let him pick (none / 0)

For one thing, it's very hard to close strong when you have no advertising in the final week. The entrance polls suggested, I think, that his actual support was around 12%.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:07:07 PM EST
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Re: Edwards left the state (none / 0)

He must have known something - that the race wasn't going to be as close as polled? Otherwise, I would think he would have even had events in NV this morning.

Perhaps someone here knows why Edwards was campaigning in Oklahoma instead of Nevada yesterday? Does he think that since Clark won there in 2004 he could still win there? It's actually an interesting thought. Problem is that no win earlier in the process puts him at a disadvantage.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

by passionateprogressive on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:12:44 PM EST
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give me a break (none / 0)

haircut? Pushed by the righties. House? Would you buy a nice house on some property if you could and for privacy?

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:38:40 PM EST

Eh? (2.00 / 1)

He lost credibility with the haircut?!?! Geez, I've been annoyed at the guy for antagonizing Hill for the past few months but he got discredited over a stinkin' haircut? That's pretty unfair...

While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama

by bowiegeek on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:39:41 PM EST

Re: Is it over for Edwards? (none / 0)

How did the moneybomb end up yesterday?

by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:45:53 PM EST

Why the obsession with Edwards? (none / 0)

n/t

by Shawn on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:13:23 PM EST
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Re: Is it over for Edwards? (none / 0)

I read where his campaign collapsed a few days ago in Nevada but I'm not sure why- there doesn't seem to be anything he said or did- it wasn't a great debate for him, though- his two votes for Yucca Mountain may have done him in.

I want him to stay in, at least until Feb 5th.

by reasonwarrior on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:51:43 PM EST

Re: Is it over for Edwards? (none / 0)

Perhaps you're right. So much for the idea he won the debate. The Yucca mountain part must have done him more harm than people made out.

by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:02:32 PM EST
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