Why I support Barack Obama for President

I've thought long and hard about how to begin making my argument in favor of Barack Obama for President here on MyDD.

I'm not going to engage in flowery rhetoric to try to prove my point. Instead, I thought I'd try to follow the lead of a former MyDD front pager,Chris Bowers, who wrote a great piece about his thoughts on Barack Obama at the link. I am going to focus on the core rationale that underlies my support for Barack Obama's campaign for the Democratic Nomination in 2008.

The core reason I support Barack Obama for President is simple. Senator Barack Obama best represents the politics of our grassroots/netroots movement in 2008 in ideology and methodology. Barack Obama exemplifies what we are about: the heart and soul of the party.

Like Howard Dean and most all of you, my overarching concern is the battle for governance and Democratic values in all 50 states. I want our ideas and our candidates to win; the two things, in fact, go hand in hand. Barack Obama is the best candidate to lead the Democratic ticket so that our Democratic challengers can best compete in the House, the Senate, for Governorships and in State Legislatures across the land. Barack Obama can claim this mantle because he is and has been the best candidate in the last decade to effectively advance our ideas on the campaign trail and in Washington. He proved this in 2006, travelling all over the nation to work on behalf of our Democratic challengers.

Ask local bloggers. They know. Barack Obama is a map-changing candidate. He is a 50-state candidate. There is a reason that 2004 supporters of Howard Dean and Wesley Clark are more likely to support Barack Obama. There is a reason Barack Obama has won, since New Hampshire, the endorsements of leaders as wide-ranging as (links all to local newspaper coverage of these endorsements)

Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska
Governor Janet Napolitano of Arizona
Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri
Senator Tim Johnson of South Dakota
Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts
Congressmembers George Miller and Zoe Lofgren of California
Maria Elena Durazo of the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor
and Ned Lamont of the Connecticut Democratic Party

These endorsements mean something. Every last one of them was made after New Hampshire. None of them was an easy call. Why did Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont add his name to this list, and why did Linda Sanchez join him just yesterday? All of these esteemed Democrats share the view that Barack Obama represents our best hope to change our party, to reform Washington and build a working majority in Congress. He represents our best chance to turn the page as a party and a nation.

Senator Obama is a candidate who brings new voters in on all sides. Young people. Liberal activists. Independents. Disaffected Republicans. Barack Obama is our best vehicle to break out of the tired "Red State / Blue State" dynamic, to help us compete in Virginia and Kentucky, in Colorado and Missouri, and, yes, in Iowa and Ohio and New Orleans.

We can see that in the results of the first two primaries. There was record turn out in Iowa and New Hampshire. And when new voters came to participate, they were more often than not supporters of Barack Obama.

There is a reason for this and I'd like to express it in clear terms.

In early 2006 I wrote a diary called, Crossing the Chasm, in it I wrote:

We don't lose elections because the voters don't know what we think; we lose elections because of the totality of how we communicate.  

The brutal truth is that Democrats will not even in the most favorable political climate build a majority without breaking out of our current communication patterns. To create a tipping point for the Democratic party in 2006 we have to translate our activism into consistent language that can be understood from the majority's point of view; we have to build bridges to the "early Majority;" we have to gain the ability to join in coalition with voters who agree with us but don't necessarily share our style or all of our convictions.  We have to "lose" our old ways of mixed messages, and find and cultivate "connectors" who are skilled at bringing our message to the majority outside our core base.

Barack Obama is that connector par excellance.

I was talking with my father, a retired professor of history, who is, as far as I know, uncommitted in the primaries. He had a great, wry line about communication skills and leadership. He said, "Charisma and the ability to move people through speeches are not exactly qualities we find lacking in great leaders of the past."

I think you get his point.

Let me give you an example of the contrast between connecting and failing to cross the chasm.

Watch Senator Clinton's victory speech in New Hampshire. Notice how, there's one small moment that begins at 3:30 of the clip linked to above:

I've met families in this state and all over our country who've lost their homes to foreclosures, men and women who work day and night but can't pay the bills and hope they don't get sick because they can't afford health insurance, young people who can't afford to go to college to pursue their dreams...[cheers]...too many have been invisible for too long, well, you are not invisible to me.

That is classic Democratic rhetoric. We list a set of societal problems that we all face. We direct our rhetoric at targeted groups. We provide a list of programs to fix those ills. That is also a classic example of how we FAIL to communicate with the rest of the country.

Now take a look at this overlooked speech that Barack Obama gave at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Iowa: (Passage begins at 3:25)

What's next for America? We are in a defining moment in our history.  Our nation is at war.  The planet is in peril. The dream that so many generations fought for feels as if it's slowly slipping away. We are working harder for less. We've never paid more for health care or for college. It's harder to save and it's harder to retire. And most of all we've lost faith that our leaders can or will do anything about it.

We were promised compassionate conservatism and all we got was Katrina and wiretaps.  We were promised a uniter, and we got a President who could not even lead the half of the country that voted for him.  We were promised a more ethical and more efficient government, and instead we have a town called Washington that is more corrupt and more wasteful than it was before.  And the only mission that was ever accomplished is to use fear and falsehood to take this country to a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged.

It is because of these failures that America is listening, intently, to what we say here today - not just Democrats, but Republicans and Independents who've lost trust in their government, but want to believe again.

And it is because of these failures that we not only have a moment of great challenge, but also a moment of great opportunity.  We have a chance to bring the country together in a new majority.

Can you hear what I mean about being a connector? Do you see the substantive difference? Hillary Clinton is giving the same speech Democratic politicians have been giving for decades. It is a message that does not cross the chasm. It is, of course, a liberal message, a message of compassion and justice, but that is not how the rest of the country hears that message. What they hear is a group of well-to-do liberals applauding when a candidate talks about how bad things are for people who are victims of our economy, they hear a laundry list of concerns. At the end of the prototypical Democratic speech, our candidates implore voters to vote for them because we "hear them" and "see them."

That's not how Barack Obama communicates. He crosses the chasm and connects with voters on their terms. He talks about this nation as if all of us are in it together. He says what he means.

A friend of mine who is an astute observer of politics made this point to me when I asked him to explain what was distinctive about Senator Obama's debate style. He said this: Obama answers the questions. He thinks about the questions and then he answers the questions. That's what people want. But more than that. When Barack Obama opposes George Bush, or proposes a political alternative to the GOP, he gives a rational explanation of his position and brings people into his thought process. Too often Democrats go "red meat"...we oppose George Bush reflexively, we talk as if everyone already agrees with us. Barack Obama is careful not to do that. He always gives us a reason to support his viewpoint. Far from being a dreamer, Senator Obama always makes an appeal to reason.

I think that's a pretty profound insight. Barack Obama is about us. About participation. And even in his rhetorical style, he invites us to participate in his reasoning. That's how you truly communicate across the divide in America. It's something the GOP has understood (and abused) and we have neglected for too long.

It is in the interest of Barack Obama's opponents to belittle that ability to communicate and to connect with voters of all backgrounds. In a Democratic primary, the base controls who gets the nomination and traditional Democratic rhetoric has a powerful appeal. But who is truly our best choice for crossing the chasm and communicating with all Americans? The answer is clear and has been since Barack Obama's convention speech in 2004.

That ability to communicate, more than anything, is the core of why I support Barack Obama for President, and why, if nominated, I think he will make our best candidate in all 50 States.

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In January of 2006 I wrote an essay entitled we are the change you're looking for; Senator Obama's campaign, with its core appeal to millenial voters embodies that message.

Looking out at that new generation, the Democratic Party has a choice to make.

In the days to come I will post diaries with policy discussions (like this one from Brad de Long on Obama's stimulus package) and links to interviews (like this one with David Cutler, Senator Obama's health policy advisor) and links to discussions of Obama's Blueprint for Change (like this one assessing Senator Obama's technology program, or this one assessing his environmental record.)

We should debate the issues and the substance of policy. That's part and parcel of the debate that goes into the nominating process.

But the core of my support for Barack Obama can be expressed in a phrase that should resonate will all of us in the netroots. It was the phrase that introduced me to State Senator Barack Obama in 2002.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

That speech, from October 26th, 2002, epitomizes what is right about Barack Obama: his judgment, his communication skills, his sense of history. Too many have used this speech as a cudgel to argue the politics of the present day. What I would suggest is examining this speech as an example of Barack Obama's rhetoric long before he knew he might ever run for President or succeed in his campaign for United States Senator from Illinois. I'd offer an excerpt from it for rereading as an example of what is best about Barack Obama.

It is, I think one of the the best arguments anyone could make for his candidacy for President:

I don't oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

---State Senator Barack Obama, Illinois, Oct. 26th, 2002

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I support Barack Obama as a netroots and grassroots activist. I support Barack Obama as a blogger. I support Barack Obama, because, on that day in 2002, he spoke persuasively and presciently about the war in Iraq using words that stand up to this day.

Since that time, whether at the Democratic convention in 2004, or on the campaign trail fighting to win a new Congressional majority in 2006, or in 2007, crossing this nation running for President, Senator Obama has only proven that initial promise in his actions and his words.

I look forward to sharing more about my rationale for supporting Senator Obama in the days and weeks to come and, whether you agree with me or not, hearing your thoughts about how we best can work together and win victory for our ideas and candidates in 2008.

{For the first of the policy essays please read: Barack Obama and technology}



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A nice and thoughtful diary (1.50 / 2)

I tend to agree with much that you say.

I will leave you with a final word:

INCOMING!


by dataguy on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:22:04 PM EST

lol, thanks (none / 0)

I'm not too worried about that. It comes with primary season.

The point is that we should all make the best case FOR our candidate...and the most reasoned, critical case in opposition where we disagree. It's par for the course.

The other stuff rolls off my back.

You might like Barack Obama and Technology.


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:27:24 PM EST
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Re: Why I support Barack Obama for President (none / 0)

In a nutshell

In 2002 Barack Obama gave a speech that Clinton would not give.

In 2004 Barack Obama gave a speech that Clinton could not give.

In 2006 Barack Obama travelled the country giving speeches that Clinton did not give.

In 2008 in Denver there's one candidate who can give a speech that speaks to every last American and have a shot at their vote.

His name is Barack Obama.


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:23:48 PM EST

aside from giving speeches (none / 0)

what has Barack Obama done to bring an end to this war?

As a candidate for Senate in 2004, Obama said that he would have voted against the $87 billion, because it was time for Democrats to stop getting "steamrolled" by Bush. By the way, Edwards was one of only 12 senators to vote against that $87 billion.

Then, after getting elected to the Senate, Obama voted for several Iraq war supplemental funding bills. He only voted against the one in May after waiting until the last minute, when almost everyone else had voted. He left the heavy lifting against funding the war to Chris Dodd and others.

At Bleeding Heartland a few weeks ago, I asked Obama supporters a simple question. What has Obama done since getting elected to the Senate to end the war? His voting record on Iraq is identical to Hillary's.

The comments below the thread speak for themselves:

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDia ry.do?diaryId=852

No Obama supporters answered my question.

Obama talks a lot about the speech he gave in 2002, but I am far from convinced that he would have voted against the AUMF if he had been in the Senate at the time. His voting record on Iraq war supplemental funding bills tells a different story.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:32:14 PM EST
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He has run for President (none / 0)

I know that seems simplistic. But that is it.

W/o Obama running it would be Edwards / Clinton both of whom voted for the war and one of whom can be branded as running to the liberal base.

With Obama in the race Hillary has gone from talking about 2013 to 2009. And we all know that Clinton is a hawk, a Lieberman / Kyl hawk to be exact. But she doesn't talk like that lately.

That is, in part, the effect of the Obama campaign.

Listen, we also know that Barack Obama is not a member of the Out of Iraq caucus. He hasn't said that he is. Like the vast majority of Americans, he has a different attitude about how we should approach a war once we are in one.

Most people making points on discussion boards are for quick hits and scorched earth. I'm not.

I would argue that the Clinton vote on Lieberman/Kyl is a difference.

I would also argue that Obama's stated intention of egaging Iraq and other such states and ending the Cuba embargo speak worlds about what he would bring to our foreign policy versus Clinton.

To be frank, there is not an advocate of any candidate who can tell you precisely what their candidate would do as President.

I think Barack Obama would help seal the deal we started in 2006. He would bring more people like Jon Tester, Claire McCaskill and Jim Webb with him.

Is that our best chance to end this war? An empowered Congressional majority with a determined President?

Yes.


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:51:16 PM EST
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engaging iran (none / 0)


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 03:04:40 PM EST
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Re: aside from giving speeches (none / 0)

I have to agree. For all of his years in politics, why does he only have the ability to point to speeches that he made rather than actions that he took? One would hope that if someone wants be elected to the highest office in the land, he could explain in terms of real actions what he's done (not what he's said) that entitles him to be considered.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:36:47 PM EST
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the same was said about jfk... (none / 0)

and ronald reagan, for that matter.  funny how democrats hate that do-nothing-but-communicate reagan for all the evil he did.

just by giving speeches.

more interesting, to me, is that while hillary is the opposite of obama, she promises micro-change.  all that experience, all that greatness, all that potential -- for a little, tiny bit of change.  there's a reason why the electorate doesn't identify her with change (even though she believes she embodies change).  it's largely because she has no vision for change, for using government for good in people's lives.  yeah, she's realistic.  but change she isn't...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:30:24 AM EST
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Re: the same was said about jfk... (none / 0)

JFK was a war hero and a senator for 14 years. Meanwhile, Hillary's policy proposals have been more liberal than Obama's.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 04:08:09 PM EST
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if Barack Obama was the nominee (1.00 / 1)

we would lose the election in a landslide.

Wth his positons on raisng Social Securit taxes and guns alone, hes toast.

With the Rezko connect one GOP commercial away from  firestorm, we beter wise up.  t to this, the way he used  race to divide our Party and get him votes would surely boomerang to destroy us in november.

Most Democrats can be stupd enough to gve away
THE WHITE HOUSE, CAN THEY?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:24:58 PM EST

Re: if Barack Obama was the nominee (2.00 / 2)

That was positively Rovian. Congratulations!
 
by highgrade on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:33:11 PM EST
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you do know we have to run agast the gop (none / 0)

dont you?

awesomeness isnt gonna be a good defense.,


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:21:41 PM EST
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the gop has 15 years of video... (none / 0)

of her changing her positions, changing her mind, saying stupid things, backing down.  there's no metaphorical representations of flip-flops, they have her speaking in her own words.

she has no defense.  if the past is any guide, hillary will either claim a massive conspiracy against her (a laughingstock is never a good candidate) or pull out her pink dress (surrender).

but she never intended to be president, anyway.  just winning the nomination puts her in the history books.  and that's good enough for democrats like you...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:38:22 AM EST
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bull... (none / 0)

and history shows it.

while hillary has consistently underperformed in new york state (a candidate who spent no money in the state got more votes than her in 2000, and even with no real opposition in 2006, she still wasn't the top vote getter!  what the hell is it going to take?  10 billion dollars?), and she has never been the most popular politician in the state, she offers this great gamble: hillary promises to win where no candidate with her historic range of negatives has ever won.  not jimmy carter.  not anyone.

since you declare yourself a democrat, we all can see how stupid democrats can be.  in a year of change, you support the status quo candidate.  that's pretty stupid in my book...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:34:58 AM EST
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Re: Why I support Barack Obama for President (none / 0)

This is as good a place as any to rebut your assessment, KO.

Based on Obama's rejection of the politics of contrast that we test-drove in the "There is no Crisis" era, I'd say he least represents the blogosphere's strategy of standing up for our values. IMO, it's not a coincidence that his dust-up with Krugman was over the very issue where the blogosphere saw its most important victory.

Most of us are familiar with Obama's dKos diary, Tone, Truth, and the Democratic Party. As with everything Obama says and writes, I would suggest that you read his extended passages, but most of the comments in his thread, and since, criticized this:

   [The] tone of much of our rhetoric, is an impediment to creating a workable progressive majority in this country.  

   According to the storyline that drives many advocacy groups and Democratic activists [that's us! ed ] a storyline often reflected in comments on this blog - we are up against a sharply partisan, radically conservative, take-no-prisoners Republican party.  They have beaten us twice by energizing their base with red meat rhetoric and single-minded devotion and discipline to their agenda.  In order to beat them, it is necessary for Democrats to get some backbone, give as good as they get, brook no compromise, drive out Democrats who are interested in "appeasing" the right wing, and enforce a more clearly progressive agenda.  The country, finally knowing what we stand for and seeing a sharp contrast, will rally to our side and thereby usher in a new progressive era.

   I think this perspective misreads the American people. [...]

Read the whole thing, especially the high rated comments once people started thinking it over.

Many of us were cautiously skeptical at the time, but have since become alarmed at how that diary provides the lens for subsequent events and the grace with which he adopts GOP frames.

Armando (aka Big Tent Dem) was one of us who grew to see that Obama's diary was not a narrow concern, but that it represents the antithesis of the values of the progressive blogosphere:

   He just spilled thousands of words telling us how wrong we were for letting Dems know they had screwed up on Roberts. It makes no sense.

   To wrap this up, I owe Vermonter an apology. He is right, this piece IS much broader than I first thoguht. I had blinded myself to it. I did not want to deal with the consequences of what this meant about Obama. It is all there. The lack of fighting spirit, the intent on consensus, the flawed political judgment.

   I willfully blinded myself to what Obama has been throughout.

   This is who he is. This is who he has always been. And this is who he probably always will be. I find it unacceptable to see him as a first choice for presidential nominee.

   Edwards is clearly superior. Dodd has been my choice for a while.

   And it now becomes difficult to see how he is better than Hillary. He argues for a politics that I believe is bad for Democrats and bad for progressivism. I know he shares my goals in his heart but he seems convinced to pursue them with a disastrous poltical strategy.

Obama is a strong candidate, but there is a compelling argument that he is the opposite of the blogosphere's natural candidate, and frankly, I'm surprised that this has not yet been fully debated.


by Pacific John on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:35:55 PM EST

As I say in the piece (2.00 / 1)

I want our ideas and our candidates to win.

The two go hand in hand.

Barack Obama will help us do both: elect our candidates and write our ideas into law. He will do so more effectively than anyone else running.

I read that essay when it came out. I reread it again now. It is a great essay. Your opposition to that essay is ideological and one of tone, as is that of so many it seems. That argument, like the "Reagan brouhaha" really doesn't do much for me.

My support of Barack Obama is pragmatic.

I want our ideas and our candidates to win in 2008.


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:02:29 PM EST
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how will he help elect our candidates? (none / 0)

He is not making any kind of case against conservatism or the Republican Party.

Instead, he says partisanship and the "smallness" of politics are the problems.

Are the Republicans who vote for Obama in the primaries going to vote Democrat down-ticket? I don't think so.

Are his adoring young fans going to support Democrats down-ticket? I hope so, but I don't see Obama telling them why they should.

He is doing a great job of building the Barack Obama movement, though.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:34:11 PM EST
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Please get your facts (none / 0)

straight. I wrote about this in the piece.

Did Hillary Clinton campaign in Colorado for Ed Perlmutter in 2006? Barack Obama did.

Did she go to Kentucky to help defeat Anne Northup in 2006? Barack Obama did

Did Hillary help Tim Walz in MN 1? Did she show up alongside Jim Webb in the home stretch? Did she make the trip to Ohio in 2006? (Watch that clip...it's telling.)

Just because there are some folks who know these facts just like I do but aren't telling them to you, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I watched 2006 happen and Barack Obama was there...campaigning for our new majorities...and helping to build them. He worked his ass off.

That counts for something better than your comment, I think.


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 03:02:56 PM EST
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well... (none / 0)

there's another reason why hillary didn't campaign for them.  her negatives are too high.  she mobilizes the wrong people (hillary haters, as they are known in these parts).  the candidates feared they would lose.

it's not just that barack is more popular, but he brings positive attention to a race, not negative attention.  hillary doesn't do that...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:40:32 AM EST
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NIce diary (none / 0)

But with the allegations coming out of Chicago you should reconsider.   They will doom him and Democrats in the general.

Someone needs to ask Obama a direct question.  Has he lawyered up with regard to the Rezco case?


by dpANDREWS on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:57:32 PM EST

Can you say Hsu (none / 0)


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:26:35 PM EST
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that won't stick (none / 0)

because the media are in love with Obama.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:34:36 PM EST
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not at all... (none / 0)

until someone finds a direct connection between barack and rezko, where barack knew he was doing something immoral (like invading iraq) or unethical (like hiding billing records under subpoena), there's nothing but bluster here.  feel free to make that connection -- and i can give you patrick fitzgerald's number when you do...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:42:27 AM EST
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Why I support Hilary Clinton for President (none / 0)

Pretty simple, really. Out of the last 7 presidential elections, the Republicans have won 5 times, the only 2 times we have won, someone named "Clinton" was our nominee. The Clintons know how to run national campaigns and beat the evil Republicans.

Obama MAY know how to, he may not. He has only won one election outside of his own neighborhood, and that was statewide against joke candidates in the primary and general elections. I see nothing to make me think that he can take on the GOP nationwide and defeat it. In fact, from what I've seen out of him post New Hampshire, he looks decidedly minor league. And the GOP hasn't even begun to go after him yet.

Hillary has taken everything the Republican slime machine can throw at her. As she accurtately described it, a vast right-wing conspiracy went after her and her husband tooth and nail. And they could not take the Clintons down. She herself was smeared and "investigated" a million times (Whitewater, "filegate," "travelgate," etc.). Everyone from Kenneth Starr to the New York Times has taken their best shot at her. And they all came up empty. She is a battle-scarred veteran who, despite what you might hear, the Republicans are terrified of.

When it looked like scumbucket Rudy Giuliani was going to become Senator from New York, the State Democratic party called in Hillary. It quickly became apparent that she would wipe the floor with him. So tough guy Rudy put his tail between his legs, pretended to have "cancer," and slinked off under his rock.

That's the effect that Hillary has on Republicans. Can Obama match that?


by freemansfarm on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:03:16 PM EST

Re: Why I support Hilary Clinton for President (none / 0)

The Republicans can and will have a ton of new materials to throw at Hillary: from the shady contributions to the Presidential Library, to Vin Gupta, to Hsu, to even rumors of a lesbian relationship with a Muslim aide.  How far do you want to go?  Should we as Democrats promote all these stories in the name of "vetting".


by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:16:28 PM EST
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completly stupid (none / 0)

a home run of idiocy.

congrats.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:25:11 PM EST
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completely stupid is for democrats to support a... (none / 0)

woman who can't win.  hillary's nomination is the republican's only hope for success in the fall.  but you represent the democrat's continual stupidity in thinking that only one candidate is electable, and you do it well!!!


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:44:44 AM EST
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Re: Why I support Hilary Clinton for President (none / 0)

Sure, they will say this and that. Nobody will give a damn. They have already taken their best shots at her and come up empty. Anything they say now will look like desperation. But Obama is fresh meat to them. Every charge they level at him will be new and will take its toll.

And, in any event, it's not scandal and "vetting" that I'm primarily concerned with. The Clintons have a team and a formula that has been battle tested. Obama does not. Given that there is no real discernable policy differences between them, I see no reason not to support the candidate who has been through the ringer before. And I couldn't care less about the process issues, stylistic differences, or the question of who best represents the "methodology of the blogosphere" highlighted in the OP. I just want to win.

The Clintons have only lost one election, and that was over 2 decades ago in Arkansas. They beat the GOP assholes every time. That's all I know, and all I need to know.


by freemansfarm on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:25:36 PM EST
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Please not Hillary (none / 0)

we don't need many more years of the Clintons fighting the Republicans - this is so old.
Obama or Edwards offers us a fresh start.  

Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:29:45 PM EST
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Re: Please not Hillary (none / 0)

I want someone who will fight the Republicans. And, in any event, any Democratic president will have a fight on his or her hands with the Republicans. Obama or Edwards might offer the GOP a "fresh start," but do you really think they will take it? The GOP is as partisan as the day is long. We can accept that and fight them to the knife on every front, or we can continue to get played for suckers.


by freemansfarm on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:35:33 PM EST
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We don't need the GOP (none / 0)

we need the people who vote for the GOP.  
Of course the GOP is a mess - look at their candidates - its bizarre.
What we need is someone who can communicate to those people who used to be called Reagan Democrats.  We need to win that back to get a ruling majority.  They want to come back - I think Clinton is too polarizing to bring them back.
I think either Edwards or Obama can bring them back.
In 1964 Johnson won with over 60% of the vote and got Medicare, the Civil Rights Act and all kinds of progressive causes enacted.
I think we have set the bar too low with Clinton.
Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:42:31 PM EST
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THey WANT Hillary (none / 0)

That's why she gets and ACCEPTS money from Republican PACs.


by dataguy on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:43:50 PM EST
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Re: THey WANT Hillary (none / 0)

Republicans want Hillary? You are living in a fantasy world. She is their bete noire. They hate her. They loathe her. She is the worst nightmare. Fair or not, reasonable or not, she is the one they can't stand. Misogyny? Maybe. The fact that her name is "Clinton" and they hate her because her husband beat them? Maybe. I don't know. But no (no as in none, zero, zilch, nada) Republican
I know wants Hillary.
by freemansfarm on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:52:01 PM EST
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yes, republicans crave running against hillary... (none / 0)

first of all, she's the only democrat who can unite the right.  she energizes republicans far more than she energizes democrats.

secondly, she has a history of caving.  think pink dress.  there are other examples, as well.  republicans know that they can make her cry uncle.

third, no one has raised as much money for republicans and conservative causes as the clintons.  

both roger stone and grover norquist are on record as saying (publicly) that republicans want to run against hillary.  i guess i need to put that quote back into my signature...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:48:19 AM EST
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Re: Why I support Barack Obama for President (none / 0)

There are no more "Reagan Democrats." That's a "meme" that's 20 years out of date. The voters are polarized, and they are split almost 50/50. We need someone who knows to in-fight. We need someone who knows how to win. Gore and Kerry lost not because they didn't win the "Reagan Democrats," but because they were lousy campaigners, patsies, who got eaten alive by the GOP slime machine and their shills in the media. The Clintons will not let this happen. Attack a Clinton, and they don't whine, bark and beg like Gore and Kerry, they go nuclear.


by freemansfarm on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:48:56 PM EST

Gore won and was robbed (none / 0)

by the Supreme Court.

I think Kerry won Ohio as well.

But I understand the point you are making.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 03:20:28 PM EST
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yeah, that's what we thought in 2004... (none / 0)

didn't turn out too good, afaic...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:49:16 AM EST
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Obama for Philosopher-King? (none / 0)


If that's what the election were about, Obama would have my primary vote sewn up.  (My vote in the general is not in doubt.)  I like the fact that Barack thinks.  I understand that "thinking" means nothing unless you can articulate both sides of an argument.  (Articulate, not endorse.)  If we were electing somebody to think for us, Obama would be my guy.

Alas, we elect Presidents to do stuff that "we" want done, "we" don't all agree on what that stuff is, and we don't elect kings in any case -- despite Dick and Dubya's best efforts to pretend otherwise.  No matter how many independents and Republicans vote for Barack in the general election, there will still be GOPers and "Blue Dogs" in the Congress.  To actually do stuff, a President Obama will need those independents and Republicans to have voted for his program, not merely his "judgement".  The trouble is, in the general election campaign Obama could lose voters (as well as gain them) by emphasizing his program rather than his personal qualities.

If I could indulge my own fantasy, the next eight years would feature an Obama-Clinton administration on the Bush-Cheney model, except sane.  Or a Clinton-Obama administration on the Clinton-Gore model, except with a Democratic Congress.  With Edwards as DHS Secretary in either case.  How's that for optimism?

-- TP


by Rethymniotis on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:28:12 PM EST


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