The Overflow Room

Last night Dave and I were late getting to the Clinton rally, which usually is fine since these things start an hour or so after they say they will, but this time it was a problem as the room was absolutely packed and no more media was being let in. I waved my Clinton credential around and acted as though I was expected in the room by very very important people but we were turned away, diverted to the overflow room, something about secret service and fire marshall...

Although slightly bummed, as I wanted to be where the action was, I soon came around to the whole overflow room concept. Here was a room with a huge screen displaying Hillary Clinton's final Nevada closing speech, with at least 300 people watching Clinton, rapt, reacting with laughter and applause to every word she said, as though they were actually in the room with her. I thought to myself, isn't this essentially the same as watching it on CSPAN across the country? No, there was something about being in the next room and there was a level of commitment and excitement about Hillary Clinton in that room that I did not expect. To be honest, there seemed to be more excitement in that room for her than there was at the UNLV for Obama. I should note that our best guess is that there were more people at the Clinton event than were at the Obama event; that was surprising as well.

Another thing that impressed me was how diverse, age and gender-wise, the crowd was. Contrary to my own experience and general expectations, there were a lot of young men there, cheering enthusiastically for Clinton. People should not underestimate the breadth and solidity of her support. Just as one measure, between the Bill Clinton event earlier in the day and the rally at night, every person actually with the campaign that I encountered was a young white man; do with that information what you will.

Clinton's speech was one of her better ones, given in earnest, tough but still somehow intimate "I found my voice" tones, making her best "ready on day one" to "run the government" pitch. She projected an enormous amount of confidence; it almost felt as though she was giving a victory speech ("Thank you, Nevada! Thank you for your commitment and your support...!") which was in stark contrast to Obama's speech and the on-the-edge aggravation of his campaign manager David Axelrod. While Matt Stoller, who was in the room with the Clinton rally, found it low-energy, this graf stands out:

In the last event before the caucuses in Iowa, the Clinton campaign was dying on its feet, and you could tell in the despondency of the organizers, the low energy of the crowd, and the sagging sense of petty doom.  Tonight it did not feel that way.  The Clinton camp is pretty confident, though tired.

Dave has a good post at his place that sort of rejects the idea of psychological analysis as punditry, but I can't shake the feeling, just sort of taking the three events we attended yesterday, that the Clinton camp is preparing for a win and the Obama camp, not.

Dave and I are going to be at the Wynn at-large precinct caucus site, I'll hopefully be able to check back in from there. Then I'm going to try to be in the room for Clinton's speech once the results come in. I honestly feel that Clinton will be giving today's victory speech, but as a local journalist who was fairly sure of a Clinton win last weekend, told me last night, the culinary workers are the big unknown and if they turn out for Obama, he can still pull this out.



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Hopefully the Culinary Union's efforts to force their member to vote for Obama will be in vain. I'm getting dressed to caucus for Clinton.


by werd2406 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:19:29 PM EST

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Todd, I wish I could have been there. I'm so jealous! Thank you!


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:23:33 PM EST

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Great coverage, Todd.


by Pacific John on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:24:29 PM EST

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Mattr Stoller attended a recent Clinton event yesterday and had a far different take than you did at her event.

Did you see his event  yesterday nite AT A Las Vegas campus with more than 2000 people.

i THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND WHO YOU SUPPORT.


by BDM on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:30:57 PM EST
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BDM you're protesting too loudly. (none / 0)

I've heard Todd give upbeat and downbeat reports on Clinton rallies. He's trying to be balanced I think whereas are you?


by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:33:34 PM EST
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Hmm, Matt Stoller with a negative appraisal of Hillary.  Oh yeah, it's Matt Stoller talking about Hillary.


by Kingstongirl on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:43:48 PM EST
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Matt Stoller, and all of open left, hates Hillary Clinton.It's pretty obvious. They even bashed her for being upset that Obama praised Reagan, though they did not bash Edwards for doing the same.


by world dictator on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:03:30 PM EST
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And they didn't bash Gore for praising Reagan.  Hmm...although no one here did that as well.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:21:29 PM EST
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Coercion probably exaggerated (none / 0)

But there has probably been a bit of it because with all respect to unions it goes on all the time. I'd say it's massively counterproductive where it has happened, imagine your personal reaction if you learned fellow workers were being leaned on to vote a particular way. The fact that the story got out on the street has probably neutralized Lawsuit Clinton link that Obama was pushing. Who knows how it's going to turn out but there was a totally logical diary up this morning predicting a Clinton win with lots of detail. From the bits of coverage I've seen the Clinton camp look optimistic. One last word the Culinary need to be hyper careful how they handle the voting at their dedicated sites. Any hint of chicanery would be nuclear.      


by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:31:14 PM EST

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Dave has a good post at his place that sort of rejects the idea of psychological analysis as punditry

- Amen to that , Todd I hope you heed that advice.

You have been wrong a few times with your psychological punditry , I would rather wait for the results.

Who knows you might be wrong again.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:32:38 PM EST

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Sounds like Hillary is likely poised for a win in Nevada if Todd is correct.    


by HSTruman on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:35:08 PM EST

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Just as one measure, between the Bill Clinton event earlier in the day and the rally at night, every person actually with the campaign that I encountered was a young white man; do with that information what you will.

You obviously didn't get the pleasure of seeing Huma Abedin!


by hwc on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:36:50 PM EST

Try to do some reporting (none / 0)

on whether the casino caucus sites have been "skewed" (dare  I use the word rigged?) by the union in terms of who they chose to let off work to caucus.  It seems that the union has been the go to guys for the casino managers in terms of deciding who gets the time off to caucus and who doesn't.

Maybe that will be something to find out....Not in the caucus room itself but out of the caucus room....who wasn't allowed to leave their posts ...were they Edwards of clinton supporters?


by debcoop on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:49:38 PM EST

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by debcoop on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 12:49:52 PM EST

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Here's video from Hillary's event this week at UC-Santa Barbara that seems to belie the media narrative that Clinton doesn't generate enthusiasm from younger audiences:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmyo40Z_4 PU


by hwc on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 01:03:12 PM EST

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Chris Bower's has given a report on the Republican caucuses in which the poll's mwere totally wrong. Ron Paul came in 2nd place and the poll's had him in 4th place and Romney won much much larger than the poll's suggested.

I saw the c-span rallies of Clinton and Obama last nite. Clinton doesnot come across well in TV as does Obama. Maybe at a rally it is different. All I know is that the rally at the Univ. of Nevada, Obama HAD OVER 2000 PEOPLE. I don't know what the attendance figures were at Clinton's rally.

I honestly don't know who will win and I don't think the campaign's do either. Because their were so few poll's and with no historical precedence in NV for caucuses.


by BDM on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:33:41 PM EST
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every person actually with the campaign that I encountered was a young white man

If they were the same young white men I saw in New Hampshire, I'd add cute to the description (one of the adorable guys working the crowds in NH was also on her Senate staff).  Several of the women I was standing near commented on it - look how many cute boys work for her.  To which my response, classy as ever was, "if you were Hillary Clinton why wouldn't you surround yourself with cute boys?"

And, yes, I know if a man said that about young girls it could seem sexist or sleazy (and I'm not even going to get into saying that about young girls and Bill Clinton), but, hey, sometimes it pays to be the oppressed.  :-)


by BDB on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 03:05:00 PM EST


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