NH recount results

There are some results from a small number of precincts in NH posted on the SoS website.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

Some conclusions

1) Results are VERY encouraging.  Changes are always tiny - 350 vs 352 for Candidate X.

2) Only 20 or so precincts recounted, and this baby is not going anywhere.  Hillary partisans have nothing to worry about here.

3) One precinct (Manchester 5) shows a pattern of MORE machine votes across the board than hand votes, suggesting that the tabulator was not zeroed out at the start.

4) Overall, great accuracy and consistency is seen overall.

i feel quite encouraged.  I would have welcomed an Obama win, but am VERY PLEASED indeed that the tabulation is accurate.



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Just a note (none / 0)

to remind us that the election of OUR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE depends on the accuracy and fairness of the election process, and a test of that is being conducted now in NH.


by dataguy on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 12:17:09 AM EST

Re: Just a note (none / 0)

The Manchester vote doesn't given anyone any confidence that accuracy is good enough to support a close election.

"Overall" is not adequate here if one is merely suggesting that errors in the tabulations cancel out, because next time, in a close race, they may not, and we may have another Florida 2000, or Ohio 2004, situation on our hands.


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by shergald on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:23:00 AM EST
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I don't agree at all (none / 0)

In fact,there is one of 20 or 30 precincts showing a disagreement.  I believe that it's due to lack of proper zeroing.

The rest show excellent correspondence.


by dataguy on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:29:53 AM EST
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Re: NH recount results (none / 0)

I didn't know there was a recount going on.

I still get excited thinking about New Hampshire.

Clinton country.

You would be reading about that comeback in the history books.

Obama had a chance to put her away but he couldn't do it. Plus her victory has left the punditry and pollsters shocked.

I couldn't believe my ears when Chris Matthews apologized to Hillary Rodham Clinton on hardball tonight.

If she wins the nomination , she would have to have a big victory party in New Hampshire.


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by lori on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 12:27:57 AM EST

This is not about one candidate (none / 0)

this is about the system working.

Please keep the partisan stuff somewhere else.


by dataguy on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 12:38:14 AM EST
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Re: This is not about one candidate (none / 0)

......okay lol


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by lori on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 12:46:38 AM EST
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Re: NH recount results (none / 0)

"Clinton country"?? She won by 2 measly points and didn't even get close to 50% of the vote!


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by crackityjones on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 01:17:35 AM EST
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Re: NH recount results (none / 0)

Obviously I am disappointed that this recount has not revealed Capalbo's true strength in New Hampshire, but otherwise what did you expect? New Hampshire is a pretty orderly state that does not tolerate election shenanigans. Deibold machines are machines that perform repetitive tasks reliably, as long as they are not tampered with. A recount in a Goo Goo state was never going to reveal that the machine's software is corruptible, and nobody with any familiarity with the fundamentals of software development will be surprised that in an optimal case Deibold software performed adequately.

The problem is that Deibold software is particularly susceptible to tampering, and this recount has weakened the case for addressing it.


by souvarine on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 01:14:10 AM EST

Re: NH recount results (none / 0)

Well, there's still a fine case to be made, but most of the people who could make it will have little credibility remaining after screaming MASSIVE FRAUD PROVEN IN NH the day after the election.

The whole problem with the fair-elections movement  is that they have so many members who cry wolf at the slightest provocation, and they do nothing to restrain them.  They have a legitimate issue, and yet they end up sounding like a bunch of 9/11 Truthers.  It's a wonder they've managed to get the attention of any election officials at all.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 01:20:32 AM EST
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Kucinich is paying for the recount (none / 0)

and I think that it's great.  Again, you cannot believe ANY method that has not been checked, tested and verified.  After this, many will be much happier with NH and the opscan approach, which I, as a data entry and data management person, am much happier with than full electronic touch screen.

And, yes, there were questions in NH, where BO went from polls showing him 6-10 pts up to losing by 3.  That is possible, and it did happen.  But it sure looked funny.


by dataguy on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:49:55 AM EST
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Re: Kucinich is paying for the recount (none / 0)

I am all in favor of the recount.  I do sort of wonder how many people will actually be comforted by it.  Some people give the impression that they will be convinced of fraud no matter what.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:12:24 AM EST
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Her true strength is what shows in election (none / 0)

It's 3 pts.  That's the truth.  The truth comes out in the election.


by dataguy on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 07:50:52 AM EST
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Re: NH recount results (1.00 / 1)

So where is the guy who was screaming about DIEBOLD VOTER FRAUD?  Larsson something (forgot the first name, Dennis or Derek.)


by georgep on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 08:22:47 AM EST

the recount is good for everyone (none / 0)

We need more scrutiny of vote-counting in order to restore faith in our elections.

I had no doubt that the outcome would not change, but I still welcome the recount.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:01:12 AM EST

Obama got arrogant and lazy, sat on a lead (none / 0)

He did a victory lap and around New Hampshire and then pulled a Leon Lett and fumbled the ball on the 3 yd. line.

A pattern is emerging.

Obama who isn't gutting it out on the campaign trail, working the rope lines, doing the meet and greets and putting in the face to face time, as Edwards and CLinton are.

Instead Obama jets in gives a speech and splits.

Add to that this bizarre willingness to puff himself up at every opportunity.  One week he compares himself to Lincoln.  The next John F Kennedy.  The next Martin Luther King.   The next Ronald Reagan.  Who is next?   Jesus Christ?    

Obama is woeful if you ask me.  But he has a cult like following.   I'll tell you what though, the Republicans are licking their chops.  They hope they get him.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 09:10:49 AM EST

Re: NH recount results (none / 0)

From what I've seen, she's actually gained votes in the recount.


by demmonty on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 02:06:57 PM EST

It's So Damn Easy. Do It Right The First Time! (none / 0)

You summon a randomly picked jury from among the voters who go to each polling station. The participants are forced to serve just like court juries. They are chosen from a large, pre-qualified pool three days before the election. They count the vote and run everything, with no interference from "Secretary of State" characters. They are legally required to stay home from work the next day, but are well compensated by the election system. Give the money and the time off to the people instead of the hackers!

There are no machines, the juries just hand count the ballots on the night of the election. Then they publish and announce the results (at each individual polling station) prior to handing them up to tabulation pools. They are all required to take home a complete record of their local results. There would some few errors, but not systematic errors. Even if some juries were biased, other juries would be biased in other directions, so any biases would canceled.

Recounts are useless because the chain of custody of the secret ballots is such a weak link. The results taken home by all the jurors would certainly be expected to agree, anyway.

See, then we wouldn't have the worries, would we? Does anyone here want to keep the super-complicated electronic lightning rods for election fraud? Really? Why?


by blues on Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 03:10:00 PM EST


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