The line of endorsements for Obama continues...this time Ben Nelson

Great news for Obama with another big name endorsement for Obama...and another superdelegate.

OMAHA, NE - Nebraska's Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) today endorsed Barack Obama for President, citing Obama's ability to bridge the partisan divide and to carry Democratic candidates across the country to victory in 2008.

"Those of us on both sides of the aisle who have made it our purpose to set aside partisanship to address some of the important issues of the day want a president that will join the effort, not foil it. Barack Obama, to me, represents the best hope for our own political reconciliation and a future where the cogs of government are working smoothly for progress instead of being gummed up by partisanship," said Senator Nelson. "Barack Obama will be the strongest candidate in the heartland, because he puts solutions and consensus fist and he inspires great crossover appeal among Republicans and independents."



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Re: The line of endorsements for Obama continues.. (none / 0)

" citing Obama's ability to bridge the partisan divide and to carry Democratic candidates across the country to victory in 2008."

- With all the race baiting tactics he is using to try and win the South Carolina primaries , maybe Ben Nelson should rethink that statement.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:50:14 PM EST

Re: The line of endorsements for Obama continues.. (none / 0)

The race-baiting is coming from the Clinton camp.


by Namtrix on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:55:57 PM EST
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Re: The line of endorsements for Obama continues.. (none / 0)

Thats a delusional statement.

If Obama lets this get out of hand , it would do a lot of damage to his campaign.

So if Jesse Jackson thinks by going on tv and saying yes we are going to south carolina now and we should analyze her tears because she didn't cry for Katrina and this racial nonsense his surrogates are pushing to all of this journalists , is a winning hand for him and Obama , by no means he should continue it.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:01:34 PM EST
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I would listen to lori (none / 0)

I think she is right about this.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:25:57 PM EST
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That's if you think they are important. Nelson btw (none / 0)

is one of most right wing senators in Democratic party. So much for progressivism. In reality it doesn't make a ha'porth of difference. It's basically kabuki theater.


by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:53:55 PM EST

Re: That's if you think they are important. Nelson (none / 0)

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?  What we have in the Senate right now is a non-working majority.  Perhaps your brand of Progressivism is one which relishes being correct and ineffective but I see no Progress in that form.  Let's have a Progressivism that knows how to get us out of Iraq, actually get us out.  One which knows not just how to reform Health Care but also how to get it passed.  We can hold firm to our principles and still deal with other people.  But we can't by your style of knee-jerk responses which seek to demonize even those in our caucus.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:04:28 PM EST
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Nelson is a radical progressive (none / 0)

in Nebraska.

Say, did you know that he the senator, the Democratic Senator, from Nebraska?

Without Ben Nelson, we would have Speaker McConnell.

Pretty ungrateful comments, seems to me.


by dataguy on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:09:33 PM EST
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Re: The line of endorsements for Obama continues.. (none / 0)

I was surprised by this one, but it does highlight Obama's cross-over appeal and electability.

Kennedy, Feingold, Boxer, or Webb better endorse next.


by Namtrix on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:58:31 PM EST

A winning strategy (none / 0)

I want to go beyond the blue state-red state strategy. Congratulations to Obama for appealing to the red states! Yesterday it was Arizona with Janet Napolitano. Despite the nasty negativity here at MyDD, thanks for posting this! I don't think the divide and conquer strategy will work in the primary or the fall. Not everyone is a white female voter. We are all Americans.


by cmpnwtr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 12:59:42 PM EST

Re: A winning strategy (none / 0)

I don't want to unnecessarily make comments on this thread that would detract from the essence of this post but I read your comment and wanted to pose a question to you.

A lot of Obama surrogates were all over the networks saying he lost New Hampshire because of the bradley effect ( First of all he might as well kiss NH goodbye in the GE if he were the nominee ), so in essence his surrogates put it out there that Clinton won because white voters didn't vote for him . Of Course this might have been a tactic to rally African American's looking towards South Carolina or some other reason.

How does that not undermine his candidacy ?

" I don't think the divide and conquer strategy will work in the primary or the fall."

- Maybe he should cut out the " southern strategy " he seems to be embarking on then because that is divide and conquer in my book , only that he would divide but not conquer in the long run.

I won't be making any more comments in this thread , just thought I had to respond to a point you made.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:10:21 PM EST
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Re: A winning strategy (none / 0)

I haven't seen a lot of Obama surrogates talking about the Bradley effect.  What I saw immediately were some pundits unrelated to any camp try to use that as a reason to explain the polls.  The Bradley effect, which I personally don't believe, has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with polling.  


by Piuma on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:25:14 PM EST
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Re: A winning strategy (none / 0)

Lori,

I've got to question with your contention that "A lot of Obama surrogates were all over the networks saying he lost New Hampshire because of the bradley effect." -- From what I saw, the folks raising the "Bradley effect" were television talking heads (and pollsters like Andy Kohut trying to explain their performance away).

The only person I saw on TV raising that question who could remotely be considered a surrogate for Obama was Michael Eric Dyson -- and he isn't a campaign spokesperson, he's an independent agent who supports Obama, and his is frequently a guest on MSNBC and others because they know he will come on and be provocative (on all matters and topics, not just the election).

I don't spend my life in front on the TV, so maybe I missed something, but can you cite any specific Obama surrogates who raised this? (I'm not being rhetorical here, I'd really like to know).

I think it is really important to separate messages that actually come from campaigns (or campaign sanctioned surrogates) vs. those that a bunch of guys on cable "news" shows start throwing out there. I haven't heard the Obama campaign claim that NH voters were racist for not supporting him (any more than I heard Clinton campaign people say that Iowa voters were sexist for not supporting her).  Let's not confuse what comes out of the mouth of idiots like Chris Matthews with the expressions of the candidates or their campaigns.


Once social change begins,it cannot be reversed. You cannot uneducate the person who has learned to read. You cannot oppress people who are not afraid anymore.
by terje on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:28:02 PM EST
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Re: A winning strategy (none / 0)

You would have to identify who those Obama "surrogates" were. I don't necessarily believe in the "Bradley effect" without further evidence in this case. I know that Obama himself simply said that the voters of NH indicated they wanted a closer scrutiny of the candidates "look under the hood, kick the tires, etc.". He did not attribute the discrepancy between polls and the result to the so-called Bradley effect. That satisfies me. I do think that when Billy Shaheen, Clinton's campaign chair in NH talked about Obama's possible history as a drug seller, that was divisive and I have to believe, not done without approval from higher up. Or when Cuomo uses the "shuckin' and jiving" language, or when the leaked comment from a Clinton staffer refers to the fact that Obama appeals to someone who wants a "secret hip black friend" then that's divisive, coded language.


by cmpnwtr on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:32:09 PM EST
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You are incorrect about this (none / 0)

It was not Obama supporters.  

In fact, the first mention of the "Bradley effect" was by a professional pollster, unaffiliated with any campaign.  If someone chooses to quote this professional who has done much polling, they are perfectly able to do so.  Andrew Kohut, possibly the most reputable pollster working today, is the first I have heard raise this possibility.

The "Bradley" effect is not divisive, in and of itself, by the way. It's simply a phenomena of how people work with pollsters.

It's not reasonable to blame Obama's campaign for quoting a professional evaluating fairly odd results.


by dataguy on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:57:17 PM EST
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The Clinton Camp are hypocrites again (none / 0)

Good to see the teachers union (backing Clinton) filing a law suit in Las Vegas over the caucus locations on the Las Vegas strip....funny, wasn't it Clinton two days ago that was talking about disenfranchisement?

Their tactics of late are sickening.


by mattmfm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:12:05 PM EST

Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

some people don't think he is progressive. Then they trumpet an endorsement from Ben Nelson, who votes with Republicans half the time.

I'm sure Ben Nelson would be happy for the Democratic standard-bearer to be reluctant to mention the Democratic Party in his speeches.

Mark my words: if Obama does get elected, progressives will get very little from him. He seems to be planning to stand above the parties and propose some kind of fantasy compromise agenda.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:24:58 PM EST

Re: Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

Do you think the Ethics legislation he and Russ Feingold wrote is representative of the direction Progressives should go or is it part of the "fantasy compromise agenda"?  


by Piuma on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:31:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

Obama's lifetime ranking of 24th for progressive bonafides shows that early on he pursued a more progressive agenda.  However, that has dramatically changed, as his current ranking of 43rd for the 07/08 Senate session and his ranking of 44th "when the chips are down" proves.  


by georgep on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:49:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

Is there something you find difficult about answering the question instead of trying to hijack it with more nonsense by Progressive Punch who gives Diane Feinstein a more Progressive rating for 07 than Russ Feingold. That's my type of Progressive - one who thinks an Attorney General who doesn't know if waterboarding is torture is okay.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:56:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

You are not answering to the fact I posited.  Obama was more of a progressive in his first year, but he obviously has lost a lot of that "progressive luster" since then.  So, you mentioning Obama/Feingold does nothing to debunk my statement, as I have stated that Obama's first year was markedly progressive.  Since then, not so much, as the rankings show.  

I am willing to acknowledge something similar for Hillary Clinton.  In her first 4 years she was consistently ranked in the top 10 most liberal Senators rankings-wise, more recently she has lost some of that progressive luster, is no longer in the top 10.    


by georgep on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 04:16:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (2.00 / 1)

Exactly.  There is a reason why Obama attracts endorsements from the conservative Democrats like Ben Nelson.

Conservative Dems, and those who hail from red states and districts, don't want to hear a partisan message.  They don't want to hear a candidate who talks about how the Democratic Party stands for certain things and the Republican Party opposes those things.  They want a mushy message about bipartisanship and how we can all work together to solve problems.  This is the same schtick Tom Daschle (another Obama supporter) used to deploy, until the GOP decided to run a partisan message against him and he lost his seat anyway.

I am glad we have moderate and conservative Dems like Ben Nelson in the party, because you do what you can to obtain a majority.  But if we constantly subordinate our actual message as a party to the personal need of Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson, and 3 or 4 other conservative Dems to keep their seats, then the progressive movement will never get anywhere.  And people will have more and more trouble figuring out what the Democratic Party actually stands for, the longer we go without talking about it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:37:55 PM EST
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Wow!! What a concept (none / 0)

A candidate who appeals across the spectrum can get elected.  What's not to like?

We sit here in the blogosphere, talking about the candidates.  Our differences in outlook, values and perspective run from A to A.01.  If everyone in the blogophere voted for their favorite candidate today, I could count those votes in 20 minutes.

We need the votes of Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson, Tom Daschle, Harry Reid and many other conservative Dems.  Some wack like Kucinich would have no chance.

I cannot understand why any reasonable person would not want appeal across the spectrum.  We are talking about the President of the US, not the President of myDD.  That's the question. Who will pull in the votes of conservatives, independents, and progressives?  If we get the perfect candidate for progressives, that person would stand 0 chance of being elected president.

NO PURE PROGRESSIVE WILL BE ELECTED PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME.  That's my belief.

So, the charge that "Obama is bad BECAUSE he attracts conservatives" is surely the stupidest one that I can think of.


by dataguy on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:05:53 PM EST
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Re: Wow!! What a concept (2.00 / 1)

A candidate who appeals across the spectrum can get elected.  What's not to like?

What's not to like is when they do it by blurring the differences between the two parties, by playing "pox on both your houses" regarding progressive interest groups, and by parroting negative stereotypes of progressives in order to advance his case.

If Obama sought appeal across the spectrum in the same way Reagan did, by using charisma and rhetoric to persuade people towards a more progressive position and towards supporting the Democratic Party, I wouldn't have the slightest problem with it.  That's simply not how he does it.  Instead, he's looking to be elected the same way Ben Nelson looks to be elected in Nebraska, and you can simply never take the country in a more progressive direction doing that.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:31:27 PM EST
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Re: Wow!! What a concept (none / 0)

So would you welcome Lieberman, who the netroots drove from the party?


by CVDem on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 06:41:46 PM EST
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look at the big picture (none / 0)

Do you want to have a better chance to win in November and shift the country to left of center?  The country is just not where you are on the spectrum.  

HRC would probably win but can she shift the country to the left?  

I'm not saying you shouldn't keep fighting for the progressive agenda but this is boiling down to a choice between Obama and Clinton.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:09:17 PM EST
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Re: look at the big picture (none / 0)

I don't believe you shift the country to left of center simply by winning on a platform of mushy consensus and bipartisanship.  Do you believe Bill Clinton did a great job of shifting the country when he was elected?

I don't know how you think you know where I am on the political spectrum (I work on Wall Street, I'm hardly a revolutionary) but considering you think Paul Krugman's arguments about economic inequality are "socialist," I don't want to be where you are on the spectrum, either.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:34:33 PM EST
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for the record... (none / 0)

I said that Bruce Webb's point of view was an argument for socialism (which he largely agreed with), not Krugman's.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:46:43 PM EST
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Re: for the record... (none / 0)

You are misrepresenting Bruce here.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:49:12 PM EST
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OK, I'll amend that to... (none / 0)

his point of view as expressed in one long comment about corporations.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:55:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (2.00 / 1)

Obama is currently not a progressive.  Look at how he turned away from it:

Lifetime progressive rating/Senate:

Obama ranks 24th.

http://progressivepunch.yvod.com/members .jsp?search=selectScore&chamber=Sena te&scoreSort=lifetime

HOWEVER:

07/08 Senate Session (current)

Obama ranks 43rd (out of 49 Democratic Senators)

http://progressivepunch.yvod.com/members .jsp?search=selectScore&chamber=Sena te&scoreSort=current_congress

And, when the chips are down?  

Obama ranks a dismal 44th:

http://progressivepunch.yvod.com/members .jsp?search=selectScore&chamber=Sena te&scoreSort=current_close

Sorry, people, but there is ample evidence to show that Obama is not a progressive, although he certainly started in that direction.  Just not any longer.  

Endorsements by conservative Democrats merely strengthen the impression that Obama is not a progressive, he is more of a centrist.  


by georgep on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:45:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

I'm a progressive voter supporting Obama

I'm under no illusions - Obama is a centrist-- and so are Clinton, Edwards and everyone else who was in the Democratic race except Kucinich. We're all making our own choice among these centrists candidates based on our assessment of who will do the most to advance progressive politics and policies.  Maybe candidates are our version of a Rorschach test -- we each see something different in them.

That's the reality of American politics -- any Democrat who can win a national election will be a centrist (do think Bill Clinton won his two plurality victories by running or governing left?)  Triangulation, "the era of big government is over," DOMA, ignoring the science of clean needles, welfare reform, Dick Morris, sitting by for  Rwanda, etc??? Is that supposed to be the model of a "progressive" presidency that we are aiming for?  Bill Clinton may have been the best president we've seen in a while, but we really can do much much better from a progressive point of view.

And sorry, ProgressivePunch is not a credible assessment of who is progressive and who isn't ... Diane Feinstein scoring higher than Ted Kennedy? Bob Casey more progressive than Russ Feingold? Get real....


Once social change begins,it cannot be reversed. You cannot uneducate the person who has learned to read. You cannot oppress people who are not afraid anymore.
by terje on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 02:15:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama supporters wonder why (none / 0)

It is sometimes interesting and counter-CW to realize from voting records that Joe Lieberman actually had a rather progressive voting record when it came to domestic issues.  But it is the truth.  Likewise, those who we think of as die-hard progressives are not always voting that way (see Russ Feingold.)   The rankings are ok (look at the actual votes that make up the rankings on the click-through for verification,) but could change next year.   I agree that Obama is more of a centrist, and respect that you made the decision to support Obama with that knowledge.  I was contradicting a statement that was made identifying Obama as a strong progressive, which you rightly have figured out not to be the case.

I agree that Clinton and Edwards are/were not the most progressive members of Congress, either.  That would be for this session Frank Lautenberg and Robert Menendez, according to the rankings, and lifetime Sheldon Whitehouse.  


by georgep on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 04:09:34 PM EST
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Clinton did pretty well this week as well. (none / 0)

Some key state and local endorsements in NV, CA, and NM.

At the national level, even with his good week, Obama doesn't come close to Clinton.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:33:53 PM EST

Re: The line of endorsements for Obama continues.. (none / 0)

There is something very interesting when the endorsements range from Rep. Barbara Lee to Sen. Ben Nelson.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 01:39:32 PM EST

Re: The line of endorsements for Obama continues.. (none / 0)

Ben Nelson received $10,000 from Obama's Hope Fund PAC.


by truthteller2007 on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:31:37 PM EST


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