The Coming Michigan Freak Show

On January 15, Michigan will vote in its primary, and it's turning into quite a race on the Republican side, being billed as Romney's final stand. Certainly he's playing into this perception, pulling ads from South Carolina and Florida to focus on Michigan, although if he gets another silver here no one doubts he'll continue on. It's just he's going to have to win one somewhere and where better than the state of his birth and where his father served as governor. Results from the latest (post-Iowa/pre-New Hampshire) Strategic Vision (700 LVs, 1/4-6, MOE +/- 4 and %) and Rossman Martin Survey (300 LVs, 1/6-7, MOE +/- 5.8%.) polls are as follows:

CandidateStrategic Vision     1/4-6Rossman Group       1/6-7
McCain2918
Romney2022
Huckabee1823
Giuliani138
Thompson54
Paul53

These numbers seem pretty messed up since you'd think the poll immediately following Iowa would be most favorable to Huckabee and the poll closest to New Hampshire would be most favorable to McCain, but consider them a baseline. McCain's win in New Hampshire and now Romney's camping out in the state (and Huckabee's doing the same in S.C.) will shake the whole race up moving forward.

Looking a bit deeper into the Strategic Vision poll, things look promising for McCain. First there's the whole experience/change thing:

Do you prefer a candidate who has experience in office or one who represents change?
Experience 44%
Change 28%

And then the list of voter priorities has McCain's strengths at the top (and a distinct weakness a bit lower down.)

What do you believe is the number one issue facing America?
War on terror 21%
Economy 17%
War in Iraq 15%
Immigration 11%
Taxes 10%
Crime 9%
Healthcare 8%
Education 5%

One area that might hurt McCain is on ideology. McCain is distrusted greatly by conservatives for his advocacy for campaign finance reform and "amnesty" so the fact that 61% of voters feel it's either very or somewhat important that the candidate be "a conservative Republican in the mode of Ronald Reagan" could hurt him. Then again, McCain beat Romney slightly among Republicans in New Hampshire, which may indicate that the distrust among the rank and file of the party is dissipating. I suspect Mitt Romney will spend the next week reminding voters why they distrusted him in the first place.

Democrats are voting next week as well, of course, although the only candidates on the ballot will be Hillary Clinton, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Uncommitted. Right now, The Rossman Group poll has Hillary beating Uncommitted 48%-28% (again, pre-New Hampshire.) An interesting factor in this is to what extent Democrats will go to the polls to beef up the Uncommitted vote as a defacto vote for Obama or Edwards. There is an active campaign underway to get them to do just that.

Detroiters for Uncommitted Voters, a group of mostly Obama supporters, wants to make sure that people vote in the Democratic primary Tuesday, even if their candidate isn't on the ballot. [...] U.S. Rep. John Conyers and his wife, Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers, will begin airing radio ads this week urging voters to cast their ballots for uncommitted.
The Uncommitted vote in fact is not a wasted vote, as delegates will be seated at the convention to represent those voters (assuming Michigan's delegates are re-instated, that is.)

If enough Democratic voters choose "uncommitted," delegates at the district or state level will be chosen to fill that void for the national Democratic convention in August. [...] It's presumed that most uncommitted delegates will favor Obama or Edwards, but once at the convention they can support any candidate in contention for the Democratic nomination.
There's yet another factor here, which is that Democrats in Michigan can actually vote in the Republican primary, as many did in 2000, which led to McCain's victory there. This year, with many Democrats largely disenfranchised, will Democrats with a soft spot in their heart for McCain help hand McCain another victory or will they vote strategically to deny arguably the strongest Republican candidate an important early win?



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Re: The Coming Michigan Freak Show (none / 0)

I'll certainly be urging my father, brother, sister and brother-in-law to vote "Uncommitted" in Michigan.


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:17:16 PM EST

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In all fairness to Romney, he won overwhelmingly in Wyoming, it's just that no one seems to care.


by Nautilator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:18:13 PM EST

Brokered Convention Possibility? (none / 0)

I don't know about the rest of you, but it seems like to me there could possibly be five different primary winners between now and 2/5/08.  A brokered GOP convention?  Wow.  Talk about a freak show.  I'm crossing my fingers.

TrumanDem

Truman's Conscience


by DuvalDem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:33:19 PM EST

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All I know is that I am voting in the republican race on Tuesday, I am not voting for uncommitted. Saying that me and my friends are torn between John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee. McCain because if we were forced to have a republican president we would choose him but Romney and Huckabee will be easier to be in November, so we are still deciding.  


by ma261988 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:35:06 PM EST

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If you can vote in the MI primary, voter for Romney.  


by nzubechukwu on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:06:57 PM EST

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Yes, any Democrats with any brain cells should vote for Romney, the man we want.


by Bob H on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:41:45 PM EST

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I do not believe there are enough pure social cons in Michigan for Huckabee to win a 2-man race.  In a 3-man race between Huckabee, Romney, and McCain, any of the three could win.

If McCain wins, I believe he becomes the odds-on favorite for the nomination.  If anyone else wins, the thing remains wide open.

Amazingly, if a different person continues to win every primary, Rudy's much-ridiculed Feb. 5 strategy might have a chance at working.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:03:11 PM EST

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Don't forget about Democrats for Huckabee: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic le?AID=/20080109/NEWS06/801090310

We'll see if that has much of an effect on Tuesday.


by lpackard on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:19:46 PM EST
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Re: The Coming Michigan Freak Show (none / 0)

MI democrats need to vote for Romney


by werd2406 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:16:23 PM EST

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Duval Dem could be right. Huck, McCain, Romney, Thompson(not gonna happen though) and Giuliani would be your winners. What a laughing stock the GOP would be.


by ND1979 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:16:57 PM EST

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I think we want Huckabee though. He admits that he doesn't believe in evolution. That can't be good in a general.


by ND1979 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:18:14 PM EST

Kos suggests Democrats cross to vote for Romney (none / 0)

"Let's have some fun in Michigan," says Kos <http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/10/2713/87225/55/434206> as he suggests Michigan Democrats consider "crossing over" to vote for Romney in the Michigan primary.

Since the Democratic primary is uncontested, and the Michigan delegates will not be counted, Kos suggests Democrats might as well make a mark in the Republican column.

Voting for Romney keeps him in the race, says Kos, with more reason for Republicans to keep fighting one another as the primary season continues.


by MS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:24:28 PM EST

Re: The Coming Michigan Freak Show (none / 0)

What is the Hillary count on Superdelegates from Michigan?  If she controls most, or even a good portion of those votes I would think that the uncommitted delegates would be led to vote for her.  It would stand to reason, the largest group of delegates would be committed to Hillary, the second largest group would be uncommitted (these delegates to be named later by the Michigan party leaders) and then the Superdelegates who will become the de facto leaders of the uncommitted group.  Look for the battle to be there.  I would expect Hillary to pick up a lionesses share of the uncommitted group if she keeps the Michigan party leaders on board.  This strategy would also keep the power in the hands of the party leaders which they always like.
p.s. I don't subscribe to the developing CW that she has to win by more than 50% of the vote.
p.p.s.  I do agree with the developing CW that the Michigan and Florida delegations will be seated in their entirety at the convention.  
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:56:16 PM EST

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Governor Granholm and Senator Stabenow are Hillary endorsers.  Congressman Conyers is with Obama.  Congressman Stupak is with Edwards.  I am not aware of any other pledged superdelegates.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:48:08 PM EST
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Re: The Coming Michigan Freak Show (none / 0)

Seems like Kos followed my lead.  A VOTE for MITT is a vote for us!!!


by nzubechukwu on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:13:45 PM EST

Pastors (none / 0)

Michigan likes to vote for preachers in primaries.  In 1988, we voted for Jesse Jackson and Pat Robertson (and the rest of the US went, "hunh?").    

Based on that alone, I'd predict a Huckabee win in Michigan if the anti Hillary Dem votes split between  uncommitted, McCain, and Romney.

The family history for Romney in Michigan makes little difference, IMO.  George Romney was governor so long ago that most people won't remember what he was about.  Plus, the GOP in Michigan has changed a ton since then.  The GOP of Gerry Ford, Bill Milliken, and Romney are today the paleocons and the paleos don't run Michigan GOP affairs anymore.  The more neo-con you are, the better.  I really don't think Romney has a shot, short of a LOT of crossovers.


How is John McCain different than John Edwards?
by The lurking ecologist on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:57:20 PM EST

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Well, the Romney name is still kicking around.  Scott Romney was almost Attorney General.  Ronna Romney kept the name after her divorce solely so she could run for office.  So I mean, obviously it's not the key to glory, but I'm sure there are connections.

I do not get where all these social cons came from, it sure wasn't like that when I was younger.  Michael Bouchard wasn't one of them, at least!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 09:23:31 PM EST
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MI neo cons (none / 0)

They come from the west side of the state and the south.  I grew up in Jackson and it is rife with Social cons.  Our poli sci teacher in HS used to call Jackson County the "buckle of the bible belt".  Of course, I didn't really get it at that time.  Now that district is represented in Congress by Tim Walberg.  Extreme social con.

Meanwhile, the Amway clan in Grand Rapids, and the Peter Hoekstra crowd from the super right wing side of the party took it over sometime during the Engler years, I guess.  In my old days at WMU, whenever I met a seriously right wing neocon, he or she was always a west sider, at that time, they were becoming more and more active politically.  Plus they were scoring some media wins too, with Tom Monaghan's neocon agenda, the Robertson win (where I think their activism gelled), and Operation Rescue.

Bouchard is from Flint, if I recall correctly, and now in the Detroit burbs.  Wrong lineage to be a kneejerk neocon.

I recall some debate a few years ago about whether Milliken would change parties.  His environmental and social policies while governor would never fly in today's MI GOP.


How is John McCain different than John Edwards?
by The lurking ecologist on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:02:06 PM EST
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Re: Pastors (none / 0)

From CNN today:

"[Gary] Glenn is a prime example of the sort of well-connected activist that has been essential to Huckabee's success. The president of Michigan's chapter of Don Wildmon's American Family Association, he co-wrote the state's successful anti-gay marriage amendment, which drew close to 60 percent of the vote in 2004. That effort also updated his already-packed addressbook with a new group of politically-savvy conservative Christian contacts eager to assist a presidential candidate who backed his own state's version of that measure.
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Glenn also represents another key demographic in the Huckabee grassroots army -- home schoolers, mostly Christian conservatives, who have overwhelmingly supported the former governor. In Michigan, the group is politically active, and large, with thousands attending the community's annual state convention."


How is John McCain different than John Edwards?
by The lurking ecologist on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:54:47 PM EST
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