John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama

From The AP:

Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, planned to announce his support Thursday at 11 a.m. EST at a rally at the College of Charleston, said a Democrat familiar with Kerry's decision. The 2004 nominee was to argue that Obama can best unite the country and has the potential to create transformational change, the person said. [...]

Kerry had withheld his endorsement, hoping to have an impact on the race and avoid the fate of fellow Democrat Al Gore, the 2000 nominee who endorsed Howard Dean in 2004 shortly before the former Vermont governor's campaign imploded. Gore has made no endorsement so far this year.

This is pretty big news, especially coming right on the heels of Clinton's New Hampshire win. I suspect it may have been more impactful in December than now, but still, this could create some momentum for Barack in South Carolina where Kerry is making the announcement while Hillary Clinton focuses on Nevada.

Update [2008-1-10 13:36:1 by Todd Beeton]:An excerpt from John Kerry's e-mail blast on behalf of Barack Obama, which included a fundraising ask (for Obama that is, n ot for himself.)

At this particular moment, with our country faced with great challenges in our economy, in our environment, and in our foreign policy, and with our politics torn by division, Barack Obama can bring transformation to our country. With Barack, we can build a new majority of Americans from all regions who can turn the page on the politics of Karl Rove and begin a new politics, one worthy of our nation's history and promise. We can bring millions of disaffected people – young and old – to the great task of governing and making a difference, child to child, community to community.

The moment is now, and the candidate for this moment is Barack Obama. Like him, I also lived abroad as a young man, and I share with him a healthy respect for the advantage of knowing other cultures and countries, not from a book or a briefing, but by personal experience, by gut, by instinct. He knows the issues from the deep study of a legislator, and he knows them from a life lived outside of Washington. His is the wisdom of real-world experience combined with the intellect of a man who has thought deeply about the challenges we face.



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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (none / 0)

As the AP article points out, Kerry shot Obama to stardom by giving him the '04 Convention spot, so this isn't much of a surprise. Still momentum-granting news, though.

Aside from Gore, is there anyone whose endorsment is bigger than Kerry's?


Ever heard of a Blue Moose Democrat?
by Nathan Empsall on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:58:14 AM EST

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As big as Al Gore?  Probably not.  Perhaps whoever Ted Kennedy endorses will be big as well.  But I'm sure he'll be endorsing Clinton.

The question is, how long does Al Gore hang out before endorsing?


by Big Haircut on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:02:28 AM EST
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I think Al Gore learned his lesson and won't endorse until after the primary.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:04:51 AM EST
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I hope so (none / 0)

Too many Gore supporters are backing different candidates. As a Clinton supporter, I'd hate it if he endorsed Obama; and I'm sure Obama supporters would feel the same if he came out for HRC.


by Coral on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:56:04 AM EST
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Al Gore will endorse when the Democratic nominee has been chosen.


by Christopher Lib on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:05:03 AM EST
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Agreed, I don't think Al Gore wants to get anywhere near this whole matter.


by commoncents on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:12:34 PM EST
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What makes you so sure about Sen. Kennedy?  I think he is very conscious about his legacy and I think he will endorse Obama but I don't have anything but a gut instinct on that.


by howardpark on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:25:45 PM EST
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Interesting choice of words (none / 0)

Because the only way I can draw a line between a Kennedy endorsement of anyone but Obama and 'legacy' is the notion that Obama has been anointed by Destiny and backing anyone else just puts a big L for Loser sign on your forehead.

I am really hoping that Obama supporters have backed off on the over the top giddiness and dismissiveness they showed on Tuesday before the results came in but perhaps am hoping in vain.


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:40:17 PM EST
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Re: Interesting choice of words (none / 0)

With the way this election is shaping up, I hope neither side's support wanes in small defeats or setbacks.  This is the way American politics should be--instead of choosing between two candidates I could care less about and no one else really cares either as long as they are democrats, I am excited of all the electricity that has stemmed from the democratic side of the primary.  It's uplifting, really.

See?  As an Obama fan, I am trying to be nice to all parties here :)


by Big Haircut on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:48:17 PM EST
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I really don't know why Obama didn't use him in New Hampshire.

He would have been better off rolling it out before that primary because he had this in the bag a long time ago.

I guess they were really confident about a win in NH.

Hubris.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:01:50 AM EST

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I agree.  THAT was a mistake.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:14:04 AM EST
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Kerry might have hurt him in New Hampshire almost as much as Patrick Deval did.


by hwc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:55:31 AM EST
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Does it make a difference? It seems that all the people who hated John Kerry, ala deaniacs, are now Obama supporters.

I'm not going to put down Kerry because I think he is a wonderful person and kudos to Obama for getting the endorsement. It certainly is better than Johnson's endorsement.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:04:07 AM EST

How much weight will that Kerry? (2.00 / 2)

I disagree. Not all Deaniacs are Obama supporters. I'd say a fair number are Edwards supporters and I know a few who are HRC supporters. One f the bigger complaints of many Deaniacs is Obama isn't partisan enough.

A better question is how much weight will that carry?

The Democratic party has traditionally been pretty disdainful of its losers since at least 1976.

Gore is an exception which proves the rule in that it took quite awhile for Gore to rehabilitate himself and I note he did it with a scathing anti-war partisan attack on Bush.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:10:32 AM EST
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Absolutely right (none / 0)

Particularly among the deaniacs who are still active in the blogosphere.

My sense is that a lot of people on the wonkier side of the left blogosphere remain deeply troubled at Obama's lack of specificity and willingness to embrace cooperation as a means in itself and are just more in tune with Edwards message of 'knock them off their feet and then kick the living Jesus out of them' vis a vis the corporatists.  Maybe I am just projecting here, but I think I am not alone in believing that the only reason for policy influenced progressives  NOT to be lining up behind Edwards is doubt that he has the resources to take this one to the house.

South Carolina should be dispositive here.


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:56:02 PM EST
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a rigorous anti-war wake up call based on (none / 0)

reason and common sense, not a "partisan attack."


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:00:03 PM EST
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If Kerry wanted to help Obama (none / 0)

Wouldn't he have endorsed Clinton?

.... JUST KIDDING.

Seriously, if he wanted to help wouldn't he have endorsed before New Hampshire?  


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:04:17 AM EST

Endorsements largely unimportant unless. (none / 0)

They represent some big organizational bloc that can provide workers and resources. Kerry's does neither. It will be forgotten sooner than Bradley's. It also tends to reinforce the impression he has democratic elite lining up for him against her and the little folks.


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:05:02 AM EST

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How can Kerry's 3 million-name long email list not be considered a "resource"? Even considering the fact there is likely to be overlap with current Obama supporters, this likely to mean thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of new, albeit small, donations to Obama, as well as the possibility of turning "establishment" primary voters away from Clinton. February 5th is shaping up to be the big day in this contest, and each of these will be a boost to Obama.


by hotran on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:21:23 AM EST
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BINGO!!! (none / 0)

This is why this endorsement is actually one of the biggest out there. Seems many only look at it as if Kerry's name will sway voters miss the real race underneath the race. I was looking to see if anyone spotted that not only that this is indeed huge, but what it is that really makes this huge.


by lestatdelc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:59:22 PM EST
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As for South Carolina (none / 0)

How is having a limo lib from Boston, who is BFF with Teddy Kennedy going to help Obama in SC?

I think if there is one key state where Bill Clinton will be an asset to Hillary it is SC.  He will go into the churches and charm the pants off the ladies ... literally.  


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:05:58 AM EST

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It's not an asset in SC. It really does nothing. Kerry appeals to the same voter in SC that Obama does.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:09:16 AM EST
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I don't think Kerry carries much weight with the veterans in SC, and if anything it will hurt Obama to be linked with Kerry in the minds of many South Carolinians, including veterans and probably also African-Americans.  I remember Kerry announcing there, and playing early for SC, but eventually giving up and ceding it to Edwards.  Many African-Americans saw Kerry as frustratingly aloof, a sharp and sad contrast to Bill Clinton.  Many veterans think of Kerry as a weak, hen-pecked, flip-flopping pansy who didn't have the gumption to stand up for himself.

I think coverage of this in SC will hurt Obama and further narrow-cast him as the candidate of the Whole Foods wing of the party.  Obama needs to break out of that box, and this isn't going to hellp.


by Dooley on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:39:54 AM EST
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Kerry also did horribly among women voters. It is the most striking thing about the exit polling in his matchup against Bush.


by hwc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:58:16 AM EST
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see, this is what I'm talking about.

First Obama is "too Republican", "only appeals to moderates", and "is not Progressive (liberal)" and then he's the "Whole Foods wing of the party".  

Dooley, I realize you didn't make both of these aruments, but the fact that Obama is attacked for simultaneously being too conservative and too liberal is very odd to me.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:01:22 PM EST
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Amen,
These Hillaryites are too much.  Wake up!
Hillary cannot get elected.  Her negatives are too high.  
Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:13:28 PM EST
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Re: As for South Carolina (none / 0)

I saw a poll yesterday (I know, I know) saying that Obama gets rolled by McCain in PA.  I'm not sure I believe it, but it does cause me some concern.  I'm from PA originally and I always think of it as the most northern Southern state.  So maybe this has something to do with it.  It's possible that the Democratic party just hasn't decided and once a nominee is chosen it'll coalesce.  Either way, I think Obama or Hillary will have by no means a cakewalk in the general.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:37:25 PM EST
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I wouldn't necessarily say the Whole Foods wing is the most liberal.  Don't confuse a guava fruit with Che Guevara.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:14:08 PM EST
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Che Guevara seems more like a pineapple to me.  A pineapple smoking a big cigar.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:32:35 PM EST
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Obama tries to be all things to all people, so it is pretty easy to attack him for being just about anything.


by souvarine on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:26:04 PM EST
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Admit it . . . you shop at Whole Foods.

It's not really about whether he's too conservative or too liberal, but more about who is real supporters are -- what his real constituency is.  Right now, his supporters are largely liberal leaning upper middle class progressives (impugned as the "white wine" crowd by everyone's least favorite Republican former consultant).  Those people are among the most active and engaged of Democratic partisans, and they represent an important constituency within the party.  But in terms of votes, it's not really all that big a constituency (just ask Howard Dean), except in college towns.  True working class and middle and lower-middle class people (the "beer drinkers," according to the same erstwhile Republican hack, but I think a better analogy is the characters on The Office) still make up the core of Democratic party voters.

The one advantage he has is that he is going to be far more competitive among African-Americans than Howard Dean and Bill Bradley could ever hope to be.  But he is also no Jesse Jackson.  He is not going to get monolithic African-American support.  Among people I know, his support among African-Americans resembles his support among the broader population:  higher income and professional African-Americans (especially men) support him, while lower and middle income African-Americans are dubious, don't think he's ready, although they are proud of him.

If Obama's going to win the nomination, he is going to have to break into bedrock Democratic voters.  His best chance is among African-Americans, but he needs way more than that.  My main point originally is that John Kerry is NOT going to help him do that, and if anything, standing on the same stage as John Kerry is going to hurt.


by Dooley on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:00:31 PM EST
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I think you state your case very well.  But it does contradict most of the other comments on this page that Obama is the Independent/Lieberman/Republican wing of the Democratic party.  I'm not saying that either side of that argument is correct, but it may point to a fundamentally new coalition in politics.  Moderate Republicans and "white wine" Democrats may have more in common than Frank Luntz or Karl Rove (or John Edwards for that matter) would have us believe.  If so, this really does represent a new coalition, a new politics and potentially greater movement on several stagnating issues.

I think that's fascinating.

By the way: Beer, King Sooper


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:17:52 PM EST
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You're right.  It is fascinating.  And I think there is the possibility or that kind of coalition to emerge.  I just think everyone should understand that it's not a Democratic coalition, nor is it an anti-establishment coalition.  It's very much an establishment, elite-based coalition.

Another way of putting it is that Barack Obama has a lot more in common with Mitt Romney than he does with Jesse Jackson.  Same goes for their respective supporters.

If Huckabee and Obama were to get the respective nominations, the shift of Republicans to being the party of the working class and the Democrats to being the party of the business community and the rich could be complete.


by Dooley on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:01:01 PM EST
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Hmmm.  You had me until the Romney-Obama comment.  I guess you're correct, but that describes most of the Democratic party pretty well (Clinton included).

Currently the Democratic party hemorrhages working-class votes mostly over social issues (very, very broadly) and I see Obama as speaking to that crowd a little better than, say, Kerry or Gore did.  Then again, race being what it is in our country, there may be certain other..ah..attributes that would cause working class folks to vote Repub this time if Obama were the Democratic nominee.

As far as this being a "Democratic coalition", I suppose that's a matter of perspective.  It may be closer to a Robert Kennedy or Jimmy Carter Democratic party coalition than a Bill Clinton Democratic party coalition.  But, again, race is a huge wildcard here.

Keep posting, Dooley, this is the best conversation I've had on MYDD so far.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:41:50 PM EST
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Will do.  Thanks for the comments.  Obama does seem to have a clear intent (Rick Warren, "look at the day the Lord has made") to try to appeal to evangelicals in the general election (as does HIllary, I might add ("abortion is a moral tragedy").  But I'm not sure how effective that will be, if at all, in the primary.   Anecdotal evidence suggests to me that religious progressives (I guess the mildly disparaging moniker for them might be the Jimmy Carter crowd) tend to like him, so maybe that broadens his base a little beyond where Dean or Bradley were.  But these days religious progressives overlap culturally a lot with the Whole Foods set, and, frankly, there just aren't a whole lot of them out there.  Not enough, I think, to make a major impact in the primaries.  

But we shall see.


by Dooley on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:08:59 PM EST
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Kerry has a charisma deficit (none / 0)

I don't think it will do much good. He's so 2004. But then, I'm an HRC supporter (and ex-Gore, ex-Dean supporter). I never thought Kerry was a fighter, and  the endorsement reminds me of Obama's unwillingness to take on the Republicans and Bush.


by Coral on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:01:59 PM EST
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Nobody gives a damn about John Kerry. He was a disastrous candidate, a self serving fool. He has no die hards or partisans waiting to see what he wants them to do.

Obama might as well trumpet the endorsement of Michael Dukakis.


"What do Barack Obama and David Koresh have in common? Too god damn much."
by ThinkingDem on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:07:19 AM EST

Thank you for illustrating my point above. (none / 0)


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:12:01 AM EST
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One of the front pagers...I believe it was Jerome disagrees... That particular poster called Kerry One of the big 3 along with Kennedy and Gore.  


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:17:10 AM EST
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Respectfully I disagree. It will get Obama some press. It will not get him votes in the Democratic primary beyond Kerry and his immediate circle.


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:23:24 AM EST
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Maybe, maybe not... there is no way to really know.  It does give him another convention vote in the total... it gives him Kerry's donor lists which will probably have some new names... it gives him the help of whatever is left of Kerry's 2004 organization... it gives a well known and still respected Senator stumping for him.  Yeah, it WON'T give him 10% more of the vote... but it does help in money and momentum.  It helps to take away some of the NH talk....  

It won't make or break the campaign, I agree.  But it is a GOOD thing.  


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:40:45 AM EST
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Kerry's 2004 organization

Isn't that an oxymoron?


by hwc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:59:18 AM EST
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IT DOES TWO THINGS;

1. The reason it is being done in SC is to show AA's that Obama has support from white people. It was commonly said that AA's would not support Obama UNTILL HE COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT WHITE PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT AA. The win in IA and now the support from Kerry HELPS IN SHOWING THIS SUPPORT.

2.Experience to be president. The charge by Clinton's is that Obama IS NOT UP TO THE JOB. kERRY's support is a counter to that argument.


by BDM on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:41:22 AM EST
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Wow! (none / 0)

I'm surprised Kerry endorsed the guy who "bashed" him so thoroughly.

/snark


by Jon on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:07:49 AM EST

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It's possible Bill Clinton going on the attack the way he did, especially trying to criticize Obama's pre-convention remark about his anti-Iraq War stance, pushed Kerry off the fence.  It's one thing for people here to try to misrepresent what was clearly a being a good soldier remark, but when the ex-President does the same it's pretty outrageous.  If nothing else, Kerry can give testimony to Obama's consistent behind the scenes work in opposition to the War and moving the Senate to a gradual withdrawal vote.


by Piuma on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:11:26 AM EST

Bill was tough on Kerry's campaign in '04 (none / 0)

That could have something to do with it.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:14:46 AM EST
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overthinking this (none / 0)

So does this mean Edwards will support Clinton?  After all, for Kerry to endorse Obama and not Edwards is a bit of a slap in the face.

Sorry, Edwards supporters.  I think he's done.  Yes, I'm prepared for the onslaught.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:11:58 AM EST

Re: overthinking this (none / 0)

I didn't think anyone was under the impression that Kerry and Edwards got along.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:13:36 AM EST
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The funny thing is Edwards was RIGHT on their quarrel over the swifties.  He wanted to fight it.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:14:53 AM EST
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LOL agreed!

Edwards has been defending Obama way more than Clinton.  he said in the last debate that he supports "any agent of change that defeats the status quo".  So, if Edwards endorses, I think its Obama.  Otherwise, he will look like a hypocrite to his base.


by Big Haircut on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:15:51 AM EST
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I think Edwards has been attacking Hillary and aligning himself with Obama purely for strategic reasons.  I have no insight into his actual feelings one way or the other.

Don't forget that a big part of Edwards' base consists of blue-collar types who generally tend to favor Hillary over Obama.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:18:54 AM EST
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Re: overthinking this (none / 0)

Very true


by Big Haircut on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:22:49 AM EST
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Is that how NH shaped up, because it wasn't that way in Iowa where Obama beat Edwards in both Union and lower income households.  


by Piuma on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:30:52 AM EST
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If Edwards and Kerry both endorse Obama, I think that this really will show that there are "agents of change" within the Democratic party that are willing to take on the Clintons.  This may become an interesting narrative on the transformation of the Democratic party into a post-Clinton era.  We'll see.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:38:07 AM EST
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This may become an interesting narrative on the transformation of the Democratic party into a post-Clinton era.

As Carville asked Axelrod last night, "What part of the Clinton years didn't you like? The peace? Or the prosperity?"

I think the greater nightmare among many would be remembering the Democratic Party transforming from the winning Clinton era to losing Kerry era!


by hwc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:04:21 PM EST
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Ouch.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:10:47 PM EST
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Re: overthinking this (none / 0)

what I didn't like is that congress was won by the Republican party and, other than an unusually talented Bill Clinton, the success of other candidates using his approach was limited at best.

I also didn't like that when the s**t hit the fan in 2001 the Democrats were totally unprepared to triangulate their way out of trouble.  It was really difficult to understand what the Democrats stood for in 2002.  As a result they lost big time.  I think this was the logical extension of the decade or so of "60% can't be wrong" politics practiced by the Clintons.

Bill was a master at this extremely difficult task.  The other Dems didn't fare so well.

The Clinton era had its place and its successes.  It's time for something different now.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:29:46 PM EST
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Re: overthinking this (none / 0)

Your comment is very interesting, because to be perfectly honest, I can see only one candidate in this race who can be described as "unusually talented" but with an approach that may not work for other Democrats.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:40:11 PM EST
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Re: overthinking this (none / 0)

...and we all give Dennis Kucinich due credit for hanging in there.

(jokes all around).

Good point.  But it isn't just about the candidate (and I'll just point out that you're talking about Obama here).  It's about the party structure and the party philosophy.  Or, as Juan Williams calls it, the Democratic party machine.  In my mind, it is time to change the structure.  There is something insipid about people remaining in power too long.  Nothing personal, but it has a corrosive effect on the party over the long term.  My perception is that if Clinton lost the nomination, the Clinton wing of the party would be weakened.  I don't know exactly what follows, perhaps something more like a Dean model of 50-state politics?  Maybe a return to populism?  Either way, I think the party would be better by bringing in some new blood in the power positions.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 01:15:30 PM EST
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Convention vs coronation (none / 0)

The result in NH transformed this whole campaign. Obama supporters openly hoped/claimed/believed that a win there would result in a tsunami effect. Those of us who were talking delegate count and super delegates were just so yesterday, the chosen narrative was in place.

Well absent a knockout blow on Feb 5th by Obama this one looks to go all the way. And by knockout blow I don't mean pluralities among pluralities, say splitting the states 10 to 8 to 2 with average totals of 38%, he is going to need some straight out majorities. And I don't see it, the combination of Edwards delegates and super delegates looks to keep either Clinton or Obama making an unchallengeable claim to the nomination on Feb 5th.

The only thing I can see that would push Edwards out is a distant third place in South Carolina.


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 01:15:37 PM EST
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Re: hugging (none / 0)

Be that as it may, the relevant question is whether they like each other now, and for the last four years it's been nothing but sniping and finger-pointing between the two camps trying to blame each other for losing the election.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:11:48 PM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (none / 0)

Obama got 3 endorsements today so far... Kerry, Johnson and Nancy Pel... I mean George Miller.  

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/01/10/567260.aspx


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:15:50 AM EST

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And all three are Super Delegates -- none of the Obamabashers can deny that!  Looks like a little movement with the SD's.


by howardpark on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:29:27 PM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (none / 0)

Todd Beeton,

I have a question for you.  Please email me:

stephen@acepilots.com

Thanks


by commissar on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:19:10 AM EST

Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (none / 0)

Just the IT geek in me... Probably not a good idea to post your email on a public forum like this...

If you DO post it...

do it like this

EMAIL at COMPANY dot COM instead of EMAIL@COMPANY.COM

You don't want the spam bots to get your email....

Or just use the MyDD contact form to contact Todd.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:43:23 AM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

I don't think this endorsement means a lot in the world of inside baseball, but it matters a whole lot in the news cycle.  There are few Dems as well-known as John Kerry.  Heck, I first heard about this endorsement this morning when my wife was watching the Today show or whatever.  It confirms Obama is still a legit contender in this race.

I just hope he's not going to be giving Obama any advice on how to deliver a speech.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:23:37 AM EST

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That made me chuckle.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:44:11 AM EST
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Yes, this is all about press for Obama. He needs a steady stream of press to erase NH.

However, I am not sure the association with Kerry is the sort of press he needs.


by kristoph on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:44:23 PM EST
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So many reasons on the blogs today (none / 0)

to Donate to John Edwards!

https:/www.johnedwards.com/action/contr ibute/form

The less press the more We Donate!


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by kevin22262 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:27:49 AM EST

Re: So many reasons on the blogs today (none / 0)

How I hate broken links?

Go here and look for the Contribute button
http://johnedwards.com


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by kevin22262 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:28:42 AM EST
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Re: So many reasons on the blogs today (none / 0)

Maybe I don't understand the way public funding works, but isn't there a cap on the donations he can take?


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:45:01 AM EST
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Yep, but I doubt he is anywhere near that (none / 0)

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/pubfu nd.shtml

Oops. Throw that subject line away. The limits for the primary are $10 million plus COLA, Edwards would have to be close to that already. Still the sooner he limits out the more time he can spend campaigning over fundraising.


by Bruce Webb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 01:22:40 PM EST
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Re: So many reasons on the blogs today (none / 0)

I believe...The cap is... the first $250.00 of what I or somebody else donates is counted towards to federal match.


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by kevin22262 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:46:50 PM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

Those of you who honestly think this is a bad thing because of what a failure Kerry is may want to remember that George McGovern and Walter Mondale have endorsed Hillary Clinton.


by Nautilator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:29:08 AM EST

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<sarcasm>Oh, yes, John Kerry rocks my world.</sarcasm>

The only endorsement that would matter for me is one from Howard Dean (he can't make one as DNC Chair) or Russ Feingold. That is, of course, if I was an idiot and already didn't have a candidate I'm supporting: John Edwards.

So, don't worry, Russ. You're off the hook.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
by Stoic on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:39:51 AM EST

It's good for Obama (none / 0)

could help in Mass, Feb 5th, especially if his team helps actively in the ground game there.

helps for a news cycle

is probably irrelevant to those who already have a horse in the race

can't tell whether the mailing list thing will matter or not, probably helps IF he looks like the presumptive nominee, to get the train going quickly for the general.  Probably can't do much for him in the primary.

but what it really does is give a bit of a counter to the narrative that Hillary is the candidate who insiders think can win in the general.  It doesn't  boost Obama's support so much as firewall him against certain types of insinuations.
 


by jakarta on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:40:33 AM EST

Re: It's good for Obama (none / 0)

The people of Massachusetts aren't that wild about John Kerry.

Maybe it will help Obama overcome the negatives of the Duval Patrick endorsement in the state.

Alas for Omaba, Patrick ran as a slick-talking agent of transformational change and, due to his bumbling inexperience in office, is now viewed pretty much as a joke in Massachusetts. That hurt Obama in New Hampshire.


by hwc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:10:15 PM EST
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Obama endorsed by the Status Quo... (none / 0)

...That's what this endorsement says to me.

Obama has been railing against the status quo and he then gets endorsed by someone who's been part of the status quo for over twenty years.

Remember four years ago, when everyone said Dean was the insurgent while Kerry was the establishment candidate.  Remember when Al Gore endorsed Dean, and the consensus afterwards was that Dean's Gore endorsement was the beginning of the end for him (If I remember right, people said that Dean couldn't be the outsider candidate with the support of the ultimate insider).

That's what has just happened to Obama.  Kerry is to Obama as Gore was to Dean.


by andrewalker08 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:43:45 AM EST

Gore's endorsement gave Dean boosts in polls (none / 0)


Gains made by Howard Dean upon Gore's endorsement:

-- National, Newsweek national poll ("Dean got the big boost"), by kos, 12/13/03.
-- National, Gore News Boosts Dean in Polls, Rasmussen, 12/11/03.
-- Iowa, Latest SUSA Iowa poll, by kos, 12/12/03.
-- Iowa  (pdf), DEAN BANDWAGON PICKS UP SPEED, SUSA, 12/11/03.



Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:01:24 PM EST
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How is President Dean doing... (none / 0)

...These days?


by andrewalker08 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:35:03 PM EST
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There are always other factors, in turns out, (none / 0)

my friend.

Gore is not God to anoint people President. An endorsement is a factor, positive/negative or in between, and adds/subtracts to the overall calculus. It turns out that Gore's impact was strongly positive and probably kept Dean in the race in IA and NH, despite many other strong and overwhelmingly negative factors. It surely improved Dean's standing in national polls.

Other candidates and the establishment ganged up on and ripped Dean apart before and after Gore's endorsement. Dean made a few gaffes, Kerry got his act together, Dean's ground game was weak, Kerrey's Michael Whouley-led gound game was stunning, Edwards pulled off some smart (and some nasty) tricks. All of that resulted in Dean losing Iowa. Then his over-hyped Dean's supposed "scream" took him out of contention.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:13:41 PM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (none / 0)

Kerry does not cut much ice with Democrats any more.  
Gore will not endorse during the primaries.
by Bob H on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:44:53 AM EST

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Ah I forgot, you know the opinion of and speak for Democrats EVERYWHERE.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:46:34 AM EST
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Re: Nothing to See Here, Move Along, Folks... (none / 0)

I think it just cements Barack Obama's reputation as appealing to the elite Dems, the 'wine drinkers' and wind-surfing crowd. In South Carolina, that may win Obama some votes in Charleston. But I think Kerry's disappointing run in 2004 will be sort of hanging all over this endorsement.

It's a REAL stab in the back to John Edwards, on the eve of his run in South Carolina. I think it could backfire on Obama, frankly. Kerry's not that well-liked in S.C., particularly among working class democrats, which are Clinton's constituency.

And, it's a real stab in the back to Bill Clinton, too, since Big Dog went out right after heart surgery, barely strong enough to do so, and rallied the Dems for Kerry with huge turnouts.

John Kerry just can't help himself. He steps in it on a regular basis.

Nothing to see here, folks, move along...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:49:01 AM EST

Re: Nothing to See Here, Move Along, Folks... (none / 0)

Yup, I was OK with Kerry but he didn't fight when he should have...Edwards wanted to fight.  Kerry and Obama area a perfect fit....accommodators.  Obama and Hillary are cut from the same cloth as well when it comes to their love of corporatism.

I want fight. I'm with Edwards to the end. And that includes a write-in in November if it comes to that. Because I no longer want to feel I have have to vote for people I don't really believe in. It hasn't gotten us anywhere!


by Gloria on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:27:17 PM EST
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What about Dukakis? (none / 0)

First Bill Bradley.

Then, John Kerry.

I guess Michael Dukakis should be right around the corner!


by hwc on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:50:30 AM EST

Re: What about Dukakis? (2.00 / 0)

Said the guy whose candidate has McGovern and Mondale supporting her?  Yeah, they didn't lose... and much worse than Kerry did.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:53:51 AM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses (none / 0)

This is the worst possible image for Obama.  

The big Democratic loser of 2004, whose political instincts were in the toilet for much of that year, is endorsing the loser of the first Democratic Primary of 2008.

Kerry was so terribly disliked by Democrats after his disastrous loss in 2004 that he could not count upon a single Democrat wanting him to run again.

Thank God for Hillary.  This is one endorsement I would avoid like the plague.


by lambros on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:53:26 AM EST

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Amzing how the Hillary peopel are the only ones thinking its bad... and even some of you say its not bad, just won't be a big difference maker... which I agree with.  


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 11:54:47 AM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses (2.00 / 1)

IT DOES TWO THINGS;

1. The reason it is being done in SC is to show AA's that Obama has support from white people. It was commonly said that AA's would not support Obama UNTILL HE COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT WHITE PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT AA. The win in IA and now the support from Kerry HELPS IN SHOWING THIS SUPPORT.

2.Experience to be president. The charge by Clinton's is that Obama IS NOT UP TO THE JOB. kERRY's support is a counter to that argument.

This is a good endorsement for Obama. Remember Kerry came witin 2.5%  of beating a incumbent president in war time. That is the closest race any incumbent president has had in being re-elected.


by BDM on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:00:57 PM EST
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It is scary to read some of the posts here.  Thank goodness others like lambros above are accurate.

Kerry is a guy who got the second most votes in history and NOBODY LIKE HIM.

There's not 1 Kerry democrat.  He left no mark in 2004.  Dean dominated 2004, changed the issues and tone.  Then he dominated the DNC and has done an excellent job getting up competitive in all states and in the Majority.

I HAVE NEVER LIKED DEAN. I still don't.  But he is a success.  Kerry is someone I could tolerate until he got swift boated and looked very weak.

How Kerry fits in to Obama's theme of Change, I don't know.

I honestly would have told him to endorse Hillary for my sake.  No joking.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:02:24 PM EST

How can you be for change? (none / 0)

When you're endorsed by someone who's been in the Senate for over twenty years.


by andrewalker08 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:06:41 PM EST
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Re: John Kerry Endorses Barack Obama (none / 0)

Yeah, I think he's endorsing Obama because he wants to run for president in four years.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:22:15 PM EST
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Here's how you know obama's in trouble (none / 0)

when normal politicians jump on to your campaign. You are in trouble. For him to win he needs to keep his change theme and outsider theme going.  It's hard to be credible with an insider like Kerry.

The same thing happended to Dean IMO.  Once Gore came aboard, how fresh could Dean be?  

These candidates start out with a plan, get surprised that its' working, and then allow the "pros" to take it over.

I often wonder if people like Gore and Kerry are really working for the opponents.  They have to know they won't help who they endorse.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:06:03 PM EST

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We're all just guessing, but my guess Kerry will be used to specifically counter the cynical attacks on Obama's record.  He will be used as an insider to tell what really is going on, how effective he is, how dedicated he is, etc.  How what he offers is more than mere hope but real effective change because his style is particularly good at getting things done, while at the same time being completely committed to reforming the governmental system.


by Piuma on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:26:48 PM EST

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Actually, "not endorsing anyone" was an option too.


by Nautilator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:34:17 PM EST

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Barack Obama picked up at least three super-delegates today (Kerry, Miller & Johnson) -- by y=the reckoning in your sig line do you think today is one & a half times more important than Iowa?  Oh, yes, I hope you have a sense of humor, it seems to be rare these days on many blogs.


by howardpark on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:34:44 PM EST

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I see Kerry being attacked by some for not endorsing Edwards. Why does he have to? He chose him as VP 4 years ago. Obama was not in the running at that time. He should not be limited by his 2004 choice of VP.

For once, I would like to see a person say "I am endorse person A and person B. May the best of these two win." The same with the unions in Nevada. They could have easily endorsed Obama and Hillary or Obama and Edwards insetead of making so much drama for so many days.


by Pravin on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:36:48 PM EST

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To be fair, apparently John Edwards was the one who argued against saying their Iraq War votes were a mistake.  Part of the bad feeling between the two, if there actually is any, is that Kerry got pissed off at Edwards' apology article in light of him being the one to argue so vehemently against that during the campaign.


by Piuma on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:42:22 PM EST

On Kerry (none / 0)

Kerry doesn't strike me as someone who's very happy with the establishment. There are obvious reasons, there are also things like his reaction to Lieberman in 2006.

It makes perfect sense that he would endorse Obama. It also runs contrary to the idea that Obama can't be an outsider if he gets "insider" endorsements.

It's funny, isn't it? When Obama appeals to independents, it proves that he's unappealing to liberals, and when he gets endorsements that show that he does appeal to liberals, he's just another insider. Why, it couldn't possibly be that he could do both, right?


by Nautilator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:43:58 PM EST

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This must be a real blow to John Edwards...


by my nickle on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 01:07:59 PM EST

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Now if Obama can get Al Gore to endorse him, as Gore did Howard Dean, he'll have the nomination locked up.

homer   www.altara.blogspot.com


by Homer on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:07:16 PM EST

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I hope we can start to realize that arranged marriages such as Kerry/Edwards or
a combination of any of the current Dem candidates is not a good thing.

Which ever candidate wins..he/she should have a VP with the same philosophy.

Up to and past 2/5 the Dem candidates will separate themselves....

If we cannot trust our candidate to choose whom they want personally as a VP, how can we really trust ANY of their choices as President?


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:57:55 PM EST

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this is awesome for Hillary.  Kerry was the worst candidate.  I heard that Teresa Heinz will be endorsing Hillary :)


by MidwestTracker on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:37:37 PM EST

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If you think Kerry was bad, take a look at McGovern or Mondale, both of whom have endorsed Clinton.

Let's see how many times we have to repeat that before it starts to settle in.


by Nautilator on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:55:26 PM EST
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