Obama's Record in the Senate on Ethics Reform

Jon Stewart had it exactly right with his pithy Daily Show summary of Clinton's tortured answer at YearlyKos on lobbying reform.  Clinton basically announced, "Lobbyists are real Americans, but don't worry, after thirty-two years of service, I don't listen to them."  In the same breath, she both recognized it as a problem and dismissed it as an issue.  

Given the ease with which she could have taken a symbolic first step and refused contributions from lobbyists and PACs, I believe questions can be raised about her willingness to stand behind tough lobbying reform.  We need the candidate who can make the most convincing case that Democrats will change the way politics is done.  Clinton has consistently lagged on this issue.

This isn't just for the sake of our democracy.  As I posted about earlier, when Americans grow cynical about politics, they grow cynical about the role of government in society.  Making our case on health care reform or on education relies on our ability to push through ethics reform.

A disengaged electorate leads not just to a bitter political divide but to bad policy.  Republicans have an interest in making not only government but politics as dysfunctional as possible.

Ethics reform has become the defining issue for Obama's candidacy, as it was during his tenure in the Illinois state senate and in his time in the US Senate.

Obama's Record on Ethics Reform in the US Senate

This year, the Senate passed the "Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act," which incorporated many of the proposals Feingold and Obama laid out in January of 2007:


  •  strict bans on receiving gifts and meals from lobbyists;
  •  new rules to slow the revolving door between public and private sector service;
  •  and an end to the subsidized use of corporate jets.

The January 2007 Feingold/Obama bill in turn mirrored the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act" in January of 2006, to which Obama contributed and which unified Senate Democrats around a series of proposals.

Specifically, the bill the Senate passed this year included Obama's amendment that political campaigns be required to disclose their bundlers.  This provision, which has met with skepticism from some key House Democrats, is considered by many to be the most crucial in the bill:

The New York Times called this provision "the most sweeping" in the bill, and the Washington Post said: "No single change would add more to public understanding of how money really operates in Washington."

Bold Proposals

But Obama's leadership on ethics reform didn't start this year.  Obama has consistently pushed the envelope on ethics reform packages, remaining a tough and consistent advocate.

In the Senate, Obama stood behind bold proposals:
(1) to create an independent ethics watchdog to replace the current role of the House Ethics Committee back in 2006:

For years now, it's been common knowledge that [the House Ethics Committee] has largely failed in its responsibility to investigate and bring to light the kind of wrongdoing between Members of Congress and lobbyists that we're now seeing splashed across the front pages. And the sad truth is that neither the House nor the Senate ethics process inspires public confidence that Congress can serve as an effective watchdog over its own Members.

All of this means that in the coming weeks, we can pass all the ethics reforms we want - gift bans, travel bans, lobbying restrictions - but none of them will make a difference if there isn't a nonpartisan, independent body that will help us enforce those laws. You don't crack down on crime by hoping criminals will turn themselves in, and you can't clean up corruption by trusting Congress to police itself.


Complaints could be filed with any member of the public, though with the safeguards against political manipulation that a complaint could not be filed within "30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election."  Second, "any person filing a complaint that they knew to be false would be subject to a fine and/or imprisonment."

(2) On February 8th, 2006, Obama also proposed the "The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act," pressing for transparency on the arcane and vast sea of earmarks included in federal legislation.  Obama's legislation targeted not only the secrecy of such earmarks but would require them to be made public well before being voted upon.  He also advocated prohibiting senators from having a financial interest in the project and requiring recipients to disclose their lobbyist connections:

Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.

(3) Obama has also put an emphasis on requiring pending legislation and earmarks to be public by being posted on the internet.  On January 18th, 2006, Obama also proposed "The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act)," which would require pending legislation to not only be given to legislators but to the general public by being posted on the internet.

In 2006, Obama also wrote and passed 'Google for Government' legislation that would create a central, searchable database "that will allow regular people to track approximately $1 trillion in federal grants, contracts, earmarks and loans online."

Obama's Leadership on Ethics Reform as a Presidential Candidate:

His plan for ethics and civil service reform was one of the earliest and is still the most comprehensive.  Vermonter offered a run-down of these proposals here.

As a candidate for president, Obama last week renewed his support of an independent watchdog to investigate ethics abuses and made clear that he would continue to support the public financing of elections:

One of the things I've argued is the necessity of an independent entity to enforce ethics rules in Congress. Because no matter how well we police our own conduct, so long as we're our own prosecutor, judge, and jury, the public will never have complete trust in our decisions. So far, that's a fight I've lost, but I'll continue to support independent enforcement because I believe it's in our nation's best interests.

I also believe that if we're serious about change, we need to have a real discussion about public financing for congressional elections. Because even if we can stop lobbyists from buying us lunch or taking us out on junkets, they'll still be able to attend our fundraisers - and that's access the average American doesn't have.

In our democracy, the price of access and influence should be nothing more than your voice and your vote.

Via the AP, he today unveiled an additional series proposals for curbing the influence of lobbyists.  See lovingj's summary here.



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Quote of the year. (2.00 / 4)

In our democracy, the price of access and influence should be nothing more than your voice and your vote.


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by lovingj on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:46:43 PM EST

AMEN. That is ALL that should be required. (2.00 / 1)


by iamready on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:47:40 PM EST
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solid diary, good job, psericks (2.00 / 1)


by iamready on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:47:09 PM EST

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This is a nice diary about Obama's strong record on ethics issues.

Too bad you just couldn't resist the temptation to start it off with an attack on Hillary.  Shouldn't it be enough to highlight your own candidate's record of accomplishment?  


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:51:29 PM EST

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It's not really much of an "attack" --- the point is that she could/should be doing better on pressing ethics reform as an issue.  Taking issue with someone's policy shouldn't be confused with personal attacks --- this is a conflation the MSM makes all the time.

Anyway, I've partly found that by actively trying to make a contrast with other candidates is that it serves as a challenge for Clinton supporters to prove me wrong, which just provokes more interesting discussion.  

Contrasting between the candidates is important anyway.  We are trying to select one of them from the bunch.


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by psericks on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:15:55 PM EST
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I find it to be a very lame contrast, because all it says is that she's refused to take a symbolic act.  Yes, I know some people find that "deeply telling" and blah blah blah, but it's still a symbolic act.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 10:27:53 PM EST
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Man...if Hillary genuinely thinks Obama is "attacking" her, she is gonna be in a world of trouble in a general election. And if you think calling her YearlyKos answer to the lobbyist question "uncomfortable" is an attack, I feel sorry for you. Really!

Of course, I think she's just playing the whiny victim and trying to deflect criticism, but who am I to question the purity of her intentions?


by faithfull on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 05:31:28 AM EST
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I think that if you see Clinton as a whiny victim in this race you are in deep denial and about to be greatly disappointed in the outcome of the primaries when reality smacks you in the face.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:26:39 AM EST
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I dont WANT her to be one. But its simple. I'll stop seeing her as a fake whiny victim when she stops with the fake indignation anytime another candidate campaigns for themselves.

You're right in that her playing the whiny victim seems to have played well. People feel sorry for her, and that turns into primary support, which makes it seem more likely that I will be disappointed not only in the outcome of the primary, but in the reality that we let Clinton play victim all the way to the nomination.


by faithfull on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:32:09 AM EST
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a note on the "attacks"

Its all in the game of politics/primaries. Take you're opponents strong point "hope" / "new kind of politics" and swing it through the mud. Show that it isnt anything new, and it really isnt different, and his whole image is blunted. Its smart to "complain" about it. Its not "whining" its strategy. If you cant see that, or complain about it, you're in for something else all together.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:21:15 AM EST
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No, you say it perfectly.

Her whole schtick is so off-puttingly un-genuine. Its perfectly obvious what she's doing, because we've been watching Republicans do it forever.


by faithfull on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:16:28 AM EST
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Good diary. (2.00 / 1)

Well written.


by caroline becker on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:51:34 PM EST

goo goo efforts (none / 0)

This is my least favorite aspect of the Obama campaign, it seems to be motivated more for political points (constraining the pardon power in a cheap shot at President Clinton) and the approval of the editorial boards of the NY Times and Washington Post than from conviction. While the rhetoric scores some populist points the specifics of ethics legislation ends up being arcane and opaque to voters. It is too much of a process issue.

The attacks on real corruption which the Democrats used successfully in 2006 are fine, but those abuses were blatantly illegal and voters could see they were wrong. A lobbyist buying a congressman a huge boat, giving an elected official a sweetheart deal on property, or paying for remodeling are pretty obvious graft.

The sunshine provisions are fine. But things like making the ban on meals and gifts even more strict, or abdicating Congress's constitutional duty to police itself, or pretending that lobbying can be eliminated remind me of the worst aspects of the Carter years. The goo goo efforts of the '70s were ineffective and the pursuit of them was a major factor in knocking Democrats out of Presidential contention until the '90s. The fact that a Nader group endorses Obama's efforts, and that Republicans completely ignore the issue (except when they can use the technicalities to trap a few Democrats a la 1994), should give people pause.


by souvarine on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:49:46 PM EST

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That is a remarkably Clinton-centric viewpoint.  Is it possible that Obama actually believes, as the diarist has noted, that the advancement of other significant agendas are predicated on reform of the process?  Senator Obama's record on this issue speaks for itself and has been one of consistent achievement since his election as state senator, long before he opted to seek the party's nomination.

I certainly agree with him on this point and I don't believe this is a cheap shot issue targeting Hillary, although the tendency of politicians in both parties to oppose, or dilute, these reforms is instructive.  Why would a politician oppose these sensible reforms, or a supporter dismiss them as irrelevant or claim they enable the opposition research of Republicans?  Don't you believe that some such reform is necessary to re-establish the democratic principles on which our political process was founded?  I'm guessing that not much has changed as far as the motivation to influence political decisions since the Constitution was drafted, but there has been a considerable shift in the capacity of special interests to claim the attention and loyalties of our elected officials.  Most of this is a consequence of the imperative for politicians to look beyond the electorate for resources and support at election time.  How can this be a good thing?  Without a corrective reform what is the logical end-point of this trend?


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 10:08:20 PM EST
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That's kind of my point, there is no end point to this trend. This country and any democracy has always and will always struggle with how to represent interests in government. Our constitution was designed to balance various interests through a bicameral legislature and a federal system. There is if anything less capacity for "special interests" to influence legislation today than at the time the Constitution was drafted, for instance the slave interests could not get away with the kind of perversions they inserted into the Constitution when it was drafted.

Corruption and graft are perennial problems in government but most abuses can be addressed through law enforcement. The problem with these reforms is that they target legitimate interests ability to represent themselves to the legislature, which means that they violate the principles of our representative system and will as a result be worked around and ineffective.

The other question you introduce, "the imperative for politicians to look beyond the electorate for resources and support at election time", could be  effectively addressed with public financing of elections. Though neither that reform nor any other democratic reform would achieve the goal of removing the ability of interests to influence legislation.


by souvarine on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 10:45:07 PM EST
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Well, I guess we mostly agree, I certainly don't expect any sensible reform to completely remove the influence of special interests, but I would prefer they were not the corporations which I am counting on government to regulate.  I certainly am in favour of campaign finance reform, the sooner the better.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:04:07 PM EST
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I guess I missed where Obama proposed we restrict the pardon power (which is in the Constitution, as far as I know, so good luck with that).  I'd note, though, that the most recent controversial pardon in the news was not issued by President Clinton, but by President Bush, so I'm not sure why it should be taken as a cheap shot at the Clintons.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:42:47 PM EST
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From The NY Sun via lovingj:

Mr. Obama's "Plan to Restore Trust in Government" calls for mandatory registration of lobbyists seeking presidential pardons and requires disclosure of all donations to presidential libraries.

A clear shot at President Clinton's Rich pardon, it would have no effect on Libby. It is possible that Obama really thinks ethics reform is key to reforming the process but shots like this one cause me to question his sincerity.

Again I think Obama's sunshine provisions are fine, but most of the ethics reforms he proposes do not impress me.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 12:30:19 AM EST
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No, it's not. Obama is seeking to require that all lobbyists who LOBBY for presidential pardons register as lobbyists - a reasonable position, I am sure we would all agree. This would mean that the lobbyists who lobbied for both Rich and Libby would be forced to declare themselves as such.
I don't care who's the nominee. I'm voting Democratic.
by JWR on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 12:48:28 AM EST
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That's not much of a shot at Clinton.  I'm a bigtime defender of the Clintons and I'm not offended by that at all.  It sounds like a sensible reform, although I'm curious to see exactly how he writes the law.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 12:49:11 AM EST
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I disagree, and I don't think it is sensible. Presidents since Reagan have become too parsimonious with the pardon power, these kinds of regulations will just make them more so. I think the executive pardon power serves a useful purpose in a country with over 7 million people caught up in the justice system.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 01:20:06 AM EST
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If a pardon is meritorious, there should be no concern about disclosure of those who lobbied for the pardon.

If Scooter Libby gets a pardon, and 100 people who deserve one don't, then you don't simply have a problem of "not enough pardons."  You have two entirely separate problems.  Disclosure won't affect the latter, but it could sure help chill the former sort of abuse.

And our country's very serious problems with over-incarceration go way beyond anything the pardon power can be expected to fix.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 01:56:43 AM EST
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I agree with you that the pardon power has been underused - but the pardons I'd like to see aren't pardons we'd need lobbyists for.  I'd like the president to use his pardon power to highlight the unfairness of mandatory minimums and other such issues with the justice system - but, unfortunately, there are no lobbyists for the incarcerated.

The kind of pardons I don't like are pardons of political allies and/or donors, such as Scooter Libby - and it's this group of pardons that there are lobbyists for, and this group of pardons Obama is trying to curtail.


I don't care who's the nominee. I'm voting Democratic.
by JWR on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:03:59 AM EST
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Can we all concede that the Rich pardon was not exactly Clinton's finest hour?  And that maybe lobbyists seeking presidential pardons should be registered and face the same disclosure rules as everyone else --- so that presidential library donations/bundlers are disclosed and scrutinized just like all others?  

That isn't even a remotely controversial sentence for me.  Obviously they should be registered.  It's not about whether any one particular president would abuse the power, it's about whether or not the system should have safeguards to prevent that abuse from happening.  Why not?

Obama has gone out of his way to push for rules that would require him to disclose his own bundlers, his own earmarks, his own connections to lobbyists, and requiring the disclosure of donations or financial interests related to earmarks...  The one sentence you mentioned seems like a natural progression from that.


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by psericks on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 12:56:22 AM EST
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If Obama were going after the self serving pardons of Bush I, with Iran Contra, or Libby and future Bush II pardons all of which were designed to shield serious abuses of executive power you might have a point.

But he's not, he has chosen instead to highlight the pardon of a tax evader who had not only paid all the taxes and penalties owed but was indicted by a politically motivated prosecutor, Rudolph Giuliani. So no, I don't think it makes sense for all of the people who advocate for a pardon for rich people like Marc Rich or poor people like Leonard Peltier or Kenneth Foster to have to register as lobbyists or face legal penalties.

And frankly much of the rest of his ethics plan is  the same, either meaningless posturing about how he won't break the law (Hatch act, Goodling violations), small tweaks to existing rules (gift ban, revolving door) or short-sighted 'reforms' like this one.

The sunshine stuff is meaningful, the rest, not so much.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 01:52:42 AM EST
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You're the one who brought up Rich - I can't for the life of me understand how this whole thing is about him at all.  In reality, this proposal will likely only affect the less well-known pardons.  People like Libby and Rich don't need people to lobby for their pardons - the people who do need that help are the friends of friends of contributors, whose pardons rarely get covered by the MSM.


I don't care who's the nominee. I'm voting Democratic.
by JWR on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 01:57:10 AM EST
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Of course there's no proposal that all of the people who advocate for Leonard Peltier's pardon would have to register as federal lobbyists.  You think if you write a letter to the President asking for a pardon for your grandmother, Barack Obama would make you register as a lobbyist?  Come on, that's silly.  At least try to engage seriously with the man's ideas.

And the more I look into this, the more it becomes clear that the narrative of Obama taking a shot at Clinton is a ridiculous media construct.  I mean, you're talking about a complex, detailed plan for transparency in government, and modifying the pardon process is maybe the 80th most important thing in there.  Normal people would skip right over it.  But the media sees the word "pardon," they immediately start thinking "ooh, Marc Rich," and they write stories that are like "oh, it's on!!!"  But if Obama really intended to score points at Bill Clinton's expense, you think he'd be a LITTLE less subtle about it.

This seems to be the same kind of manufactured spat as Drudge's reinvention of Michelle Obama's comment about how Barack is good around the house.  There's simply no "there" there.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:09:05 AM EST
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Steve, I think you are a bit naive.  I frankly don't care if Obama wants to run against Bill Clinton, but I've never heard of a presidential candidate running on pardon reform.  It's just not something that effects many people.  So I think this was a tactical way of reminding voters, perhaps those indies in NH he and McCain  are fighting for, of the Rich affair and the Libby affair, totally different to most Democrats but not so different to most conservative leaning indies because they tend to like "a pox on both their houses" politicians. It's no biggie to me, but I think it's pretty clear.


by bookgrl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:24:22 AM EST
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You'd have to read the plan for yourself.  It's long and, trust me on this, there are a million things in there that aren't the least bit sexy and won't produce a single vote on their own.

The only reason you're hearing about "pardon reform" is because that's what the media has decided to focus on, trying to make this into a fight between Clinton and Obama like they always do.  Pardons are one tiny issue in a lengthy ethics reform proposal.  Obama didn't step up to a podium and say "I think we should reform the pardon reform process."  If the media hadn't decided to say "OMG, Obama is attacking Clinton on pardons," it's a detail you never would have heard about.

One of the reasons we never seem to have real debates about issues or policy in this country is that the media is incapable of thinking about any issue beyond the junior-high level of interpersonal conflicts and who's being mean to whom.  If your takeaway from this issue is that Obama took a shot at Clinton, then you're letting the media trap you into looking at a substantive issue in a very superficial, empty way.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:37:46 AM EST
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Ok, I don't see many substantive differences between them on the issues.  I don't think we had a corrupt executive branch under Bill Clinton.  I do see much of the current corruption in the WH as being clearly Bush's doing, and they both have plans to undo that damage.  Congress has more issues with corruption but a president can not do much about that.  Congress must.  I thought Obama and Lieberman's plan for an office of public accountability was a good one.  I don't see this as a cheap shot.  And, if you think it just the media, I take your word for it.  


by bookgrl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:56:06 AM EST
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"but I've never heard of a presidential candidate running on pardon reform.  It's just not something that effects many people. "

But it's the kind of thing that Obama's base of upper-middle class white intellectual liberals really gets off on.  It's the same kind of process-reformer vs. concrete, substantive policy outcome-affecting debate that has happened many times on the (D) side in presidential races.


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by Peter from WI on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:31:48 PM EST
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The pardon proposal just indicates to me that Obama is not sincere, it is not the whole of my argument against Obama's ethics reform proposal.

I agree with you, I don't think the pardon proposal is very important to Obama, that is why I called it a cheap shot. No doubt the NY Sun wants a fight, but the fact sheet is only seven pages long and does not have that much substance, the pardon and presidential libraries points are not important policy ideas but the campaign has chosen to highlight them.

My argument is that Obama's substantive proposals are '70s style goo goo efforts, won't be effective, and will end up being used as partisan tools. Some of the sunlight aspects, the ones modeled after Gore's "re-inventing government", are ok.

Having read the fact sheet more closely I think it would have worked better if it were structured simply as an attack on Republican corruption. When I read it as a substantive proposal I took the Hatch and Goodling points as throw-away shots at Bush, since all of the Democratic candidates have made the same points. The substantive proposals just muddy the message, and led me to make the mistake of taking those ideas seriously.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 12:03:13 PM EST
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No, I think the Rich pardon was the right thing to do.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:35:12 AM EST
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huh? Putting limits on the pardon power is a shot at Bill Clinton? Really? Because I am aware of LOTS of times that the pardon power has been used inappropriately, by several presidents. Your interpretation shows that you are clearly sensitive on the issue, as I imagine are the Clintons. And they should be, because they went beyond what was appropriate. They did not just pardon people that were unjustly pursued by the Repugs, in fact they went further than that. I certainly don't hold this against them because they left the country in great shape, but what really puzzles me is how Bill Clinton's failings turn into Obama's insincerity. Should we not tighten rules on taking cash, so as not to offend Jefferson? By your logic, nothing should be done to fix anything, because it would just be interpreted as a cheap shot at whoever has abused the rules already.

Also, Congress does not seem to be performing its constitutional duty to police itself, so abdicating it actually makes a lot of sense. As far as Republicans ignoring the issue, if that gives you cause for pause, I have to wonder what world you live in. Republicans ignoring ethics issues gives me cause for .. Duh! And thats about it.


by alipi on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 09:21:31 AM EST
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This is a great diary (none / 0)

And it is great to read some informative, substantive policy debate going on the comments. Feels like its been forever!

Thanks psericks.


by faithfull on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 09:05:07 AM EST

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Thanks for the diary.  Ethics and campaign reform have been one of my biggest issues.  I don't see how government works for us until there is some real sunshine and pressure on the corrupt practices.

I've admired Obama's work in this area for years and hope this catches the eye of more voters as we head toward primaries.


by Satya on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:10:04 AM EST

Re: missing too many votes is unethical !!!! (none / 0)

I think not turning up to vote is unethical...unless you are sick.....if they are attending fundraisers, campaigning is unethical!


by pate on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:37:06 AM EST


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