Hillary and Education

Part 4 of the candidate-supporter diary series

As many of you may be aware, we have two daughters, one is 2 yrs. old (Christine) and the other turned 10 (Janine.)

 Naturally, education is one of the biggest issues and concerns for our family.  I have been dissecting all candidate's educational platforms closely and what I have found in Clinton's approach is one of the main reasons I settled on her as my favored candidate for the nomination.  

I am quite confident, after looking at Clinton's record and educational plans and proposals that the teacher's unions (such as the NEA and AFT) will be putting their endorsements and considerable weight behind Clinton's candidacy.   It would surprise me if the choice went any other way based on what I have seen in terms of the individual's educational credentials.

First a bit of history:

After receiving a grant, Clinton's first job in 1970 was working for the Children Defense Fund. During her second year in law school, Hillary Clinton volunteered at Yale's Child Study Center, learning about new research on early childhood brain development, as well as New Haven Hospital, where she took on cases of child abuse and the city Legal Services, providing free legal service to the poor. Upon graduation from law school, she served as staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts.  

source:  http://www.firstladies.org/biographies/f irstladies.aspx?biography=43

In 1996 Hillary Clinton penned the book "It takes a village to raise a child."

This old African proverb was the title of the book Clinton penned in 1996, and it perfectly illustrates the through-and-through progressive nature of Hillary Clinton.   In essence, progressivism believes in the idea that government can, better than private enterprise, provide social services to its citizens.  If it is done efficiently and smart, it is infinitely better equipped to provide virtually any service imaginable (health care, education, social security, elderly care, child services, etc.) because it does not need to run ever-increasing profits, just break even.   It can save money due to its increased buying power over fragmented "for profit" services and, in its ideal form, is a mere servant to the citizenry.    That is in essence what "It takes a village" is all about.  All of us, society in general, have to pull together to take care of our children's needs, from teachers, health care providers, parents to neighbors, friends, even "all of us" in the form of government.   Extend that to the elderly, the poor, the disabled, the war-wounded, and you have a society that helps its sick and poor instead of turning its backs on them.  

Here is Clinton's speech at the 1996 Democratic convention addressing the idea of all of us pulling together to improve the lives of every individual:

http://www.happinessonline.org/LoveAndHe lpChildren/p12.htm

Here are some what I found to be moving and poignant comments from Hillary Clinton addressing the book itself:

'It Takes A Village....'

By Hillary Rodham Clinton

I write these words looking out through the windows in the White House at the city of Washington in all its beauty and squalor, promise and despair. In the shadow of great power, so many feel powerless. These contradictions color my feelings when I think about my own child and all our children. My worry for these children has increased, but remarkably, so has my hope for their future.

REASONS FOR OPTIMISM

We know much more now than we did even a few years ago about how the human brain develops and what children need from their environments to develop character, empathy, and intelligence. When we put this knowledge into practice, the results are astonishing. Also, because when I read, travel, and talk with people around the world, it is increasingly clear to me that nearly every problem children face today has been solved somewhere, by someone. And finally, because I sense a new willingness on the part of many parents and citizens to turn down the decibel level on our political conflicts and start paying attention to what works.

There's an old saying I love: You can't roll up your sleeves and get to work if you're still wringing your hands. So if you, like me, are worrying about our kids; if you, like me, have wondered how we can match our actions to our words, I'd like to share with you some of the convictions I've developed over a lifetime--not only as an advocate and a citizen but as a mother, daughter, sister, and wife--about what our children need from us and what we owe to them.

"IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD"

I chose that old African proverb to title my book because it offers a timeless reminder that children will thrive only if their families thrive and if the whole of society cares enough to provide for them. The sage who first offered that proverb would undoubtedly be bewildered by what constitutes the modern village. In earlier times and places--and until recently in our own culture--the "village" meant an actual geographic place where individuals and families lived and worked together.

For most of us, though, the village doesn't look like that anymore. In fact, it's difficult to paint a picture of the modern village, so frantic and fragmented has much of our culture become. Extended families rarely live in the same town, let alone the same house. In many communities, crime and fear keep us behind locked doors. Where we used to chat with neighbors on stoops and porches, now we watch videos in our darkened living rooms. Instead of strolling down Main Street, we spend hours in automobiles and at anonymous shopping malls. We don't join civic associations, churches, union, political parties, or even bowling leagues the way we used to.

WE CAN'T TURN AWAY FROM THIS BRAVE NEW WORLD

The horizons of the contemporary village extend well beyond the town line. From the moment we are born, we are exposed to vast numbers of other people and influences through the media. Technology connects us to the impersonal global village it has created.

To many, this brave new world seems dehumanizing and inhospitable. It is not surprising, then,, that there is a yearning for the "good old days" as a refuge from the problems of the present. But by turning away, we blind ourselves to the continuing, evolving presence of the village in our lives, and its critical importance for how we live together. The village can no longer be defined as a place on a map, or as a list of people or organizations, but its essence remains the same: it is the network of values and relationships that support and affect our lives.

NEW WAYS OF COMING TOGETHER

One of the honors of being First Lady is the opportunity I have to go out into the world and to see what individuals and communities are doing to help themselves and their children. I have had the privilege of talking with mothers, fathers, grandparents, civic clubs, Scout troops, PTAs, and church groups. From these many conversations, I know Americans everywhere are searching for--and often finding--new ways to support one another.

Even our technology offers us new ways of coming together, through radio talk shows, e-mail and the Internet. The networks of relationships we form and depend on are our modern-day villages, but they reach well beyond the city limits. Many of them necessarily involve the whole nation. They are the basis for our "civil society," a term social scientists use to describe the way we work together for common purposes. Whether we harness their potential for the greater good or allow ourselves to drift into alienation and divisiveness depends on the choices we make now.

CREATING CONSENSUS, RESISTING EXTREMIST RHETORIC

We cannot move forward by looking to the past for easy olutions. Even if a golden age had existed, we could not simply graft it onto today's busier, more impersonal and complicated world. Instead, our challenge is to arrive at a consensus of values and a common vision of what we can do, individually and collectively, to build strong families and communities. Creating that consensus in a democracy depends on seriously considering other points of view, resisting the lure of extremist rhetoric, and balancing individual rights and freedoms with personal responsibility and mutual obligations.

THE TRUE TEST...

of the consensus we build is how well we care for our children. For a child, the village must remain personal. Talking to a baby while changing a diaper, playing airplane to entice a toddler to accept a spoonful of food, tossing a ball back and forth with a teenager, are tasks that cannot be carried out in cyberspace. They require the presence of caring adults who are dedicated to children's growth, nurturing, and well-being.

What we do to participate in and support that network--from the way we care for our own children to the jobs we do, the causes we join, and the kinds of legislation we support--is mirrored every day in the experiences of America's children. We can read our national character most plainly in the result.

MORALITY, AND SELF-INTEREST, AT STAKE

How we care for our own and other people's children isn't only a question of morality; our self-interest is at stake too. No family is immune to the influences of the larger society. No matter what my husband and I do to protect and prepare Chelsea, her future will be affected by how other children are being raised. I don't want her to grow up in an America sharply divided by income, race, or religion. I'd like to minimize the odds of her suffering at the hands of someone who didn't have enough love or discipline, opportunity or responsibility, as a child. I want her to believe, as her father and I did, that the American Dream is within reach of anyone willing to work hard and take responsibility. I want her to live in an America that is still strong and promising to its own citizens and lives up to its image throughout the world as a land of hope and opportunity.

THIS, THEN, IS AN INVITATION TO A JOURNEY...

we can take together, as parents and as citizens of this country, united in the belief that children are what matter--more than the size of our bank accounts or the kinds of cars we drive. As Jackie Kennedy Onassis said, "If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do matters very much." That goes for each of us, whether or not we are parents--and for all of us as a nation.

More after the flip....

When it comes to education, Clinton has been at the forefront of the battle for quality education for all our children.   I will be going through the information we have available in bullet form in 3 categories:  Previous bills/legislation, currently pending legislation and plans/proposals.

Clinton serves on the Senate Health/Education/Labor and Pensions committee.  She is the senior member of the subcommittee "Children and Families."  Clinton was one of the key negotiators of The No Child Left Behind Act (NCLBA), the comprehensive overhaul of the nation's elementary and secondary education policy.   Clinton contends that while based on sound principals, the Bush adminstration withheld the resources necessary for the program to fully succeed.

PREVIOUS WORK AND VOTES
Her previous work and votes on educational matters are listed on this page:

http://ontheissues.org/Social/Hillary_Cl inton_Education.htm

A few highlights:

- In word and deed strongly opposes school vouchers, which have been pushed by the GOP.  Her reasoning is that vouchers would take money away from public schools.

- Scholarships for teachers who go to urban schools
The first lady offered a menu of proposals for schools. She called for higher salaries for teachers. She restated her support for providing four-year scholarships to teachers who promise to work in inner-city schools. She called for more federal spending to hire teachers and to repair run-down schools. She said she would work to ensure passage of a $29 billion federal bill aimed at repairing and modernizing public schools.
Source: Adam Nagourney, New York Times Mar 12, 2000

- Supports merit pay for entire schools>
I could support merit pay awarded to entire schools rather than individual teachers. I also support pay for performance. This extra pay would be given to teachers who take on additional responsibilities like serving as mentors to other teachers.
Source: New York Times, Page A25 Apr 6, 2000

- Opposes merit pay for individual teachers
Merit pay to individual teachers would discourage teachers from helping troubled students and would create a distorted competition among teachers. I don't think that's a very good way to inspire teachers. We want our best teachers to work with the kids who are the hardest to teach. If teachers are going to be told that the people who look better on a test are the ones who are going to get them rewarded in salary or compensation, why would anyone take on the kids who are harder to teach?
Source: New York Times, Page A25 Apr 6, 2000

Voted YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction.
Vote to reduce the size of the $1.6 trillion tax cut by $448 billion while increasing education spending by $250 billion and providing an increase of approximately $224 billion for debt reduction over 10 years.
Reference: Bill H Con Res 83 ; vote number 2001-69 on Apr 4, 2001

Voted YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors.
Vote to authorize a federal program aimed at reducing class size. The plan would assist states and local education agencies in recruiting, hiring and training 100,000 new teachers, with $2.4 billion in fiscal 2002. This amendment would replace an amendment allowing parents with children at under-performing schools to use public funding for private tutors.
Reference: Bill S1 ; vote number 2001-103 on May 15, 2001

Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education.

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Reference: Kennedy amendment relative to education funding; Bill S AMDT 177 to S Con Res 18 ; vote number 2005-68 on Mar 17, 2005

Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies.

Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers".
To increase appropriations for after-school programs through 21st century community learning centers.

Co-sponsored the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Improvement Act, which was signed into law on December 3, 2004.  Improved access to professional development for all teachers, expanding monitoring and enforcement mechanisms, resolving disputes equitably, improving students' transitions from high school to adulthood, and involving parents more thoroughly in the education of their children.

Prime sponsor for the Ready to Learn Act (Senate Bill 1823, introduced July 19) that proposes offering federal grants for voluntary all-day preschool programs

CURRENTLY PENDING LEGISLATION

Clinton sponsored the following legislation, which is currently going through committee work:

S837, a bill to develop school leaders who can both effectively close the achievement gap and raise achievement for all students.

S1185, a bill to provide grants to states to raise grad rates

S1332, a bill amending the Public Service Health Act to provide
access to school-based comprehensive mental health programs.

S301, a bill to provide assistance to nontraditional students in higher ed.

S511, a bill to give student borrowers basic rights.

S757, a bill promoting voluntary K-12 national standards for math and science.

PLANS/PROPOSALS

1. Clinton has proposed to overhaul the No Child Left Behind Act.  The Bush administration has cut the program down to the bone, cutting short $12 Billion of the allocated funds, with schools suffering as a result.  Clinton proposes an overhaul of the program and to give it the resources needed for success.

Watch a video with Clinton's comments on 'No Child Left Behind':

2.  Pre-K kindergarden for 4-year olds

"Invest $10 Billion in Universal Preschool: Hillary has a detailed plan to provide universal access to high quality pre-school for all four-year olds through a federal-state partnership."

Watch her speech on this program:

Let's recommit ourselves to the idea that every young person in America has the right to a high-quality education, from pre-school all the way through college. I have proposed universal pre-kindergarten for every 4-year-old. If we provide that, the evidence is overwhelming, children will stay in school longer, they will do better, and they'll stay out of trouble. Because you know what? There are states in our country who actually plan how many prison beds they will need by looking at third grade reading scores. They look at the failure rates and they extrapolate how many prison spots they're going to need in 10 to 15 years. Well, I think it is time that we had a real debate about that. And I, for one, would much rather pay for pre-kindergarten than for more prison beds. Let's keep kids on the right track and out of the prison system.
Source: Take Back America 2007 Conference Jun 20, 2007

3. Attracting and supporting more outstanding teachers and principals, and paying them like the professionals they are.

4. Increase in funding and expansion of earlier Head-Start programs

5. Invest $100 Million in a New Public/Private Summer Internship Program

6. Transfer tax cuts from rich & corporations to student aid

We were making progress in narrowing the gap between high tuition and costs and what the average student and his or her family could pay. We ought to be making sure every qualified student can go to college and pursue his or her dreams. And you know, there's a very easy way to do that. All we have to do is cut all the tax breaks for oil companies, pharmaceutical companies and billionaires and put it into student aid.
Source: Annual 2006 Take Back America Conference Jun 14, 2006

7. Expand Early-Intervention Mentoring Programs to Help One Million At-Risk Youth Aspire for College and Job Success


Successful preparation for post-secondary education is increasingly vital for young workers to succeed in our globalized economy. The federal GEAR UP program currently supports innovative partnerships between local school systems, colleges, businesses, and non-profit organizations to provide middle-school students in high risk schools with comprehensive college-readiness services -- including tutoring, mentoring, and college visits. Students remain enrolled in the program as they transition into high school, and receive curricular and academic support at key points in their academic career...

Despite promising results, the Bush Administration has consistently tried to eliminate federal funding for such early-intervention mentoring programs. Hillary will double federal support for early intervention mentoring programs over five years, benefiting an additional one million middle-school students in high-risk schools.

8. Support City and Community Plans to Track Drop-Outs and Take Responsibility for Disconnected Youth

Hillary believes it will truly "take a village" to address the overlapping educational, economic and social challenges facing disconnected youth. She will call on mayors and other local officials to convene leaders from the education, business, non-profit, religious and workforce development sectors to develop comprehensive, locally-owned strategies to reengage at-risk youth. The federal government will support this process by awarding $250 million per year in competitive grants to lower-income cities and communities. Communities will be encouraged to build off promising models like creating community youth centers with case managers to track youth and provide support services, and expanding alternative education and Career Academy programs.

9. Promoting programs, like Home Instruction for Parents of Preschool Youngsters, that provide new parents with support and guidance in caring for their children. As First Lady of Arkansas, she helped bring HIPPY to the U.S.

10. Proposed US Public service academy

Focused on government civil service, students would compete for admission and would have their tuition fully paid. In return, they would agree to at least five years of service in the public sector.

CONCLUSION
I believe that Hillary Clinton has shown the inclination and strong committment to build an education system we as a society could be proud of.   We need to recommit to our children and teachers again to build a strong society, also known as our "village."  

I will leave you with this quote from Clinton from a speech she gave at a teacher's union conference in Iowa last month:

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20070801/NEWS09/70801037 9/1056

"It's as though our teachers and our children are invisible to this president," she said. "I can make you this promise: They will not be invisible to the next president of the United States."



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Re: Hillary and Education (none / 0)

Thanks Gorge must have taken a lot of work,its greatly appreaciated .

Yeah Hillary is the most progressive candidate running out there , if you pull aside the rhetoric and look at the record it is clear who it is.

I agree with those Unions you mentioned.

American Federation of Teachers: She is very close to Randi Weingarten, the president of the huge New York city teachers' affiliate.

NEA

American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) : likely too


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by lori on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:06:27 AM EST

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Sorry I mangled your screenname , georgep


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:07:25 AM EST

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Yes, education is THE primary reason I came to support Hillary Clinton.  In fact, it's the reason I began paying attention to her many many years ago.  I believe getting our educational systems working to the advantage of all children is the key to everything down the road.  That is where it all begins.  And boy, is there ever a lot of work to do.  Nobody has put in the time and effort that Hillary has.  Nobody.

Great diary.  Thanks.


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by Regan on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:09:35 AM EST

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I don't think Hillary is a Liberal and I don't think Ideology drives her any more than it did FDR.  He took office during the Depression and asked his advisors -- what is the best way to get money into the hands of the poor so that we can fix this economy?  Is that Liberal or just pragmatic?  GeorgeP -- thank you for the great post.    


by changehorses08 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:22:05 AM EST

these are good ideas (2.00 / 1)

As the mother of a toddler and a preschooler, I especially like the goals of expanding Head Start and access to pre-school.

I know of several children whose developmental delays were not recognized by parents until the kids entered pre-school.

Expanding access to pre-school will help more kids get the early professional intervention they need at age 4 instead of age 6.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:27:35 AM EST

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Great post.  I am one who cannot overlook Hillary's foibles.  But I am also one who thinks that we need to spend more time looking at the policies and ideas of each candidate rather than their packaging. There is no doubt that Hillary leads the pack on children's issues.  As George pointed out she has been working diligently her whole adult life on these issues.  In the spirit of peace and understanding I will withhold the reasons why I cannot support her and only add that this is not the only issue in which Hillary leads the pack.  


by Hugh Stearns on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:36:07 AM EST

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GeorgeP you should also look into her Arkansas record where she pioneered "No Child Left Behind" - I don't believe the policies are the right way to do education, but if your talking about her on education you need to talk about that.


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by CardBoard on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:08:31 AM EST

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I considered going all the way back to the Arkansas years (and listed HIPPY, which was a carryover from the Arkansas days,) but I did not want to blow up the scope of the diary, was content to focus on her final year as First Lady, then her Senate career in regards to education.


by georgep on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:48:56 AM EST
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In the name of equal time... (1.00 / 2)

How about some education about Hillary Clinton?  See:
http://unitedagainsthillary.wordpress.co m
by SunWolf78 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:18:39 AM EST

You have something to say, (none / 0)

say it here. No spamming please.


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by bowiegeek on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:19:23 PM EST
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Education for emancipation (2.00 / 1)

Back from the Upper Peninsula and the Keweenaw.  Amazing places that all should visit if given the opportunity.  If I had the power I would swap the locales of UoM and MTU.

It seems to me that there are great many problems with our educational system, but that the largest problem and the one which is fundamental to all the others is disparities in school funding (see: J. Kozol), largely a consequence of varying community wealth and reliance on local property taxes to fund schools in most jurisdictions.  I lived in Vermont when the legislature implemented the so-called "shark pool" to equalize funding, a trend witnessed elsewhere, often in the wake of state supreme court decisions

(As an aside, I also witnessed Dean governing as among the most conservative, pro-business Ds in the state, acting on many issues to prevent the Ds in the legislature from enacting more progressive legislation; I smile every time I hear Dean praised as some sort of big-time liberal; just not true, at least in terms of his record as Governor and he could have acted more progressively).

But the overall structural problem is largely untouched by any of the major candidates' proposals.  Material deficits are the core problem around which all others orbit and no candidate it seems to me is willing to take the plunge to address this problem, instead choosing to nibble around the edges with fairly small bore, even in praiseworthy, initiatives.  And, no disrespect to the Senator or georgep, the core problem is not likely solved with soaring but ultimately vacuous rhetoric as in the passages quoted above from It Takes a Village.  Vision is crucial, but only the first part of the struggle.  And if not reflected in actual policy proposals that can realize the vision, possibly nothing more than electioneering.

I support pretty much each of the specific proposals from Clinton georgep lists above but I point out they are likely pinpricks (OK, big pricks) in the face of the problem.  If we want to do this right, we need as a country to actually commit big time federal resources to education at every level and this requires finding resources where they are and moving them where they aren't.  Sorry, there is no easy way and there is no other way.

A young black girl living in a decaying Detroit neighborhood with few economic prospects for her parents and attending a crumbling school with rampant violence and absenteeism and overworked and overwhelmed teachers will not be helped with a couple Americorps volunteers and a new student bill of rights.  Let's get real.

I recognize the typical funding mechanism and long-standing norms of curriculum development both reflect a tradition of local control of schools, NCLB notwithstanding.  NCLB is doubly a piece of garbage: the mandates and testing bear no logical relationship to improving education AND the near total absence of actual funds ensures policy success is not forthcoming (if it was intended).  But the idea of ramping up federal oversight of local schools and in principle using federal funds to improve schools (as opposed to taking it away from struggling schools) is a surprisingly progressive and useful notion.

Then there is another set of philosophical issues I will not address here about the function of schooling in modern society: creating docile workers educated only up to the point of possessing the skills they need as "our most precious resources", meaning their productivity as employees.  What we really need is education as individual and community empowerment (see: Freire or Michael Apple, or Illich, for that matter).  The true challenge of education is not pouring content into empty vessels but awakening in every person the desire and potential to seize control of their futures and contribute to community revitalization. No candidate is dealing with these issues.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:32:27 AM EST

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The sweeping rhetoric is indeed matched with nuts and bolts proposals.  Clinton has education bills pending in Congress and the proposals we have seen would dramatically change the education-area landscape.  It comes down to money, of course, and I trust Clinton to focus on this area strongly (not the other 2 top-tier candidates, unfortunately,) even when money is tight.  

I don't see the need to "blow up the system."   It can be made to work again to our advantage and benefit everyone.   Perhaps if we are looking at some utopian world we may envision an entirely different system altogether, a society that does not even closely resemble ours, but that is not realistic moving forward.

It comes down who one trusts when it comes to education reform.   Because of her life's work and constant fighting for better education, better teacher salaries, earlier offered "start" programs, she is clearly the best choice of the current crop of candidates if education is a defining issue for someone.  I regard all the other candidates as fine men, but I don't regard any of them as particularly strong on education.  That would be true even if Clinton were not running, but with her running we have an obviously very strong choice for a true "Education President."  


by georgep on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:56:52 AM EST
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I am actually not being a Hillary basher on this issue as I have not see anything concrete from any of the candidates in either party on this issue. While most of the proposals you lay out seem fine(though I feel that there is vouchers should not be seen in such simplistic good vs evil terms, and I do not think highly of teachers unions though I do not demonize them like the repubs), I want to know where in Hillary's proposals would you see some disadvantaged elementary school kid get the necessary education (not necessarily elite) he or she deserves? Are there any examples of significant improvements in a single school community under Hillary Clinton's guidance, proposals, volunteer work, or influence using her first lady status at the US and Arkansas level? So what is she proposing now that she couldn't have done before that would make the education benefits be tangible for disadvantaged youths in less than ideal neighborhoods? How will these proposals trickle down from the federal level to the local level?


by Pravin on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 04:56:43 PM EST
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Thanks, for an excellent job of laying out Hillary's work and positions on education.


by Coral on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:35:21 AM EST

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Georgep, thanks for a good read.  I'm totally impressed with the quality of the diaries you guys are putting out.


by Kingstongirl on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:42:23 AM EST

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Thanks for an informative post. I'll vote for Hillary in the general election but I hope Edwards gets the nomination.
I'd like to see some real talk on education from our candidates. When they talk about funding or overhauling NCLB I am appalled. NCLB is part of the republican plan to ruin public education, and in that, it has been incredibly successful. Education of our citizens is part of the crumbling infrastructure - if we can't think critically and creatively we will lose globally.
NCLB must be rerpealed and replaced with a system that funds education, and by education I mean a system that sparks our kids' minds to think and do.  So far none of the top candidates impress me in this realm.
by Carolyn in Baltimore on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:56:41 AM EST

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Actually, NCLB was Ted Kennedy's brain child.  A good program, but grossly underfunded by Bush's need to wage war with Iraq.  


by georgep on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:58:20 AM EST
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Most of this stuff is either uncontroversial or is too small to draw fire.  The only semi-big thing in there is the universal pre-K pledge - and that doesn't exactly involve taking on any entrenched interests.

But where's her marker on Iraq?  Health care?  Global warming?  I'm still waiting to see some evidence that 1994 didn't knock all the fight out of this woman.  She's willing to fight all sorts of minor battles that won't draw major fire - in fact, smallball is her specialty this time around - but she's dodging the real action, AFAICT.

So what I'm getting out of this is: vote for Hillary - she likes puppy dogs and apple pie, just like you!


by RT on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 04:17:24 PM EST

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Georgep-Wow- amazing compilation -way to go- the only change I would make is that in addtion to her interest in early childhood brain development -she began a post graduate year of study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Program after law school.   I recently ran into a past head of the American Psychiatric Society who had spent much time in the Clinton White House talking to the President about children and the use of psychotropic drugs.   At one point he was referred to Hillary Clinton for a conference.  He told me that he sat with his mouth wide open-totally surprised at the extent of her interest and her knowledge- Needless to say he's a major fan. So many stories like this- Wish we could get them all in one place-


by Menemshasunset on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 05:54:10 PM EST

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So she spent all this time with Bill in the White House and in Arkansas Governors Office. What real tangible benefit has her presence made to students back then? We can talk a lot, but there needs to be results.

She is so strongly opposed to vouchers and pro teacher union. Just as judging teachers on individual merit can be faulty, how is judging teachers in a school collectively less foolproof? They can still focus their efforts only on results oriented candidates.

How does she plan to help kids of a lower middle class family escape the tyranny of her neighborhood public school administration if the kids parents are too strapped for  time becuase they work countless hours to make a living and don't have the resources to revamp the local school board in the next 4-6 years?
I saw some mention of an academy, but I do not know if that can change everything at a neighborhood level.

Unless you pool all public school funds together instead of forcing families to move just to put their kids in a better school, how are you changing the quality of the lesser public schools? And isnt that a local issue? What control can Hillary bring up about on this?

I am just curious. Did Chelsea go to a public school her entire life? If not, why not? She is a bright kid. Clintons are good parents(definitely better parents than all the republican holier than thou presidents in the last 40 years). Why is it that we believe poor people should have the same access to healthcare as rich kids, but not the same access to education?

FWIW, I do believe Hillary is probably more articulate on this issue than the others. But I have not see any concrete results achieved in all her years to say that this is an issue where she is a differnece maker. She may or may not be the best on this issue, but I think most presidential candidates will not make much of a difference in this generation, especially when the vested interests exist at a local level.

I got a Pell Grant to attend a private college. Why shouldnt a hard working student from the ghetto be able to get a grant to go to a private school if the pubic school system wont let that person attend any public school of his choice for which he is qualified? The grant does not have to exceed the variable cost(as opposed to the total cost which includes the FIXED cost) of his attending the local school. I am not saying vouchers is the only way to go. But I do not like it when a candidate makes such B&W statements to pander to a teachers union.  


by Pravin on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:26:48 PM EST

Private vs Public: Ron Clark (none / 0)

I was reading up on the Ron Clark school in Atlanta. This is a guy who made it happen in public school. Yet he feels compelled to start his own private school which is open to students of all demographics. Instead of having his vision limited to the classes he teaches at one public school, he is able to start his own school. Maybe with vouchers, someone like him can start a chain of schools because he doesn't have to waste time fundraising. And if he didn't get popular, he probably wouldn't be able to get all the donations needed to start such a school. Why do we have to such a rigid position on vouchers? Vouchers will offer family a way out of a bad school district. You ccan have income restrictions to avoid upper middle class parents having an easy way to cop out of the neighborhood school and if the local public school meets certain metrics.


by Pravin on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:52:57 PM EST

Re: Hillary and Education (none / 0)

[blockquote]If it is done efficiently and smart, it is infinitely better equipped to provide virtually any service imaginable (health care, education, social security, elderly care, child services, etc.) because it does not need to run ever-increasing profits[/blockquote]

You are assuming there are economies of scale when in fact the concept of a neighborhood public school is not necessarily conducive to that. And you can replace profits with the inefficiencies of vested interests. What there needs to be is a strict regulation on monopolies in education. The fact is this - not many families will go to private schools, even if subsidized with a partial voucher system(wihch only reimburses for a variable marginal cost factor o fthe student's education at the school) if their local public school offers a good quality education for free.

It's this kind of rhetoric by politicians that sound good, but really mean nothing in reality. Like i said, GeorgeP, show me some significant results from Hillary's past, not proposals.


by Pravin on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:01:38 PM EST

Re: Hillary and Education (none / 0)

For Pravin,

Chelsea went to public schools in AR, private when at the WH.


by kwb on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 10:16:15 PM EST

good to know (none / 0)

I can understand the private school thing in DC for security reasons. And it is a credit that they enrolled her in a public school in Arkansas.

I do wonder if any politician trusts the public school system so much that they would be willing to subject their kids to a random assignment to any public school within reasonable commuting distance.

People, this is the one of the biggest issues facing the country - the state of our educational system. Forcing people to go to substandard schools is not the answer. Not everyone is lucky enough to be in a good public school district.

If you do not like vouchers or disturbring the teachers unioons, we need to come up with an alternative because the current system does not work. And if you want to fix it, fine. But in the meantime, do not let another generation waste away while we fix it. At least give them a temporary way out until the fix is done.

Am I here to say Hillary is worse on education than the others. A big NO. For all I know, she could be better than most running this time. And I actually do agree she is probably sincere in making this a real issue.  But do not expect her to be a difference maker on this issue. She hasn't been one in the past. And I do not see how her plan is going to change the system for many inner city kids in the next 10 years. So should you base your vote on education . I say no even though it is one of my top priorities because I have not seen what any of the candidates have proposed in overcoming any inequities set up by local systems that are the primary source of funds for public schools.


by Pravin on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 01:15:32 AM EST
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Re: good to know (none / 0)

I have to strongly disagree with the points you have made here, Pravin.   Clinton clearly leads on the issue of education, an area that is basically an afterthought with the other candidates.   Her votes, life work and what looks to me every fiber of Clinton's being is predicated to children's well being in any way possible (health, education, abuse, etc.)  I trust her explicitly with Education, the other candidates are not even in the same zip code when it comes to that all-important issue.   If money is tight, Clinton would be the last person to cut the education budget, in fact, she would cut elsewhere before she touches that.  With Edwards and Obama, they don't have a history of "fighting for education" as strongly as Clinton in any capacity.   I would fear for our education in lieu of other measures they deem as or more important (when they should not.)

As for opportunities, check out Clinton's very detailed YOUTH OPPORTUNITY AGENDA.  A very forward looking set of plans that address a lot of the issues disadvantaged youth face in our country:

http://hillaryclinton.com/feature/youtho pportunity/


by georgep on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:58:18 PM EST
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Re: good to know (none / 0)

I do not know what you are disagreeing about so strongly. It's not like i said Clinton was not the best on these issues. I just said none of the candidates deserve votes on this issue alone because their policies will not make a difference to the averaqe disadvantaged family in the next term. I looked at the link , and I like most of what I see. But i want to see some examples of results in the past. Hillary has had plenty of opportunity to show us some examples in the 90s. I want to see them. Rhetoric like this has been made and has given us false hope. But I still see the culture of education in the inner city not show much change. I fault the leaders of both parties for this.

Here is another link from Obama.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/educat ion/

I like Obama's vision as it includes accountability into the equation. A lot of how effective his vision will be is going to be based on the team he selects. When i have time, I will look into these things he touts he did in Illinois. Maybe an Obama supporter can help me out here to see if there are any solid results produced in his past. But Hillary has clearly done a lot more homework on this issue as she goes into a pretty detailed list.
I am not pessimistic. I think things will definitely be better under Hillary or Obama in education. I just do not how much though. Is it enough to save the current crop of students in middle and high schools? That's a half generation at stake.

My question is this. Can Hillary guarantee a decent chunk of the people who live in bad school districts and do not have the money to seek out alternatives the chance to put their kids in a good school in the next four years?
If so, how? Poor people do not have the luxury of waiting for public agencies to sort their problems out.
 


by Pravin on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 03:32:01 PM EST
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Edwards on education (none / 0)

http://johnedwards.com/issues/education/

He seems to share Obama and Hillary's interest in enhancing preschool opportunities. There is also mention of increasing standards in college and high school to meet world standards. There is also a video where Edwards makes fun of No Child Left Behind. Unfortunately, Edwards is vague on the details.

There you have it. On paper, Hillary has the most thorough platform on this. I personally like Obama's attention to accountability, Hillary's prep work on what is lacking.Edwards seems a little generic at this point. I liked his video, but it is only a start. He needs to flesh out his ideas more with a good support team.  Edwards makes mention of a HEadStart program. What were the results?


by Pravin on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 03:42:08 PM EST
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my education rankings (none / 0)

In summary, I am going to rank the following on education

  1. Hillary
  2. Obama (come on Obama supporters, let's see some examples to make me change my mind. You know I am dying to rank obama or edwards #1 here).
  3. Edwards

I left a sentence jumbled up in my previous reply. I meant i liked Hillary team's prep work on this issue even if I am not convinced it offers a good enough solution.


by Pravin on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 03:48:17 PM EST
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Re: my education rankings (none / 0)

It is a very good beginning, but let's face it:  The president simply can't do this alone.  Clinton can forward her proposals, but Congress has to be the driving force, regardless.  It has to go through committees, and then the Senate and House versions have to be reconciled.   If the GOP has enough bodies, what they deem too much money spent on "socialized education" could be filibustered, etc.   We will make gigantic steps forward here, but whether it will be the timely education "miracle" you are hoping for is hard to predict, depends on many factors completely out of any presidents control.   I know that Clinton will be fighting for every Dollar that can go to education, which, not knowing the Congress makeup, is the bare minimum I expect.  With Obama, he seems like he is interested in education as well, but I just get the vibe that he would be more willing to cave to "the other side's" concerns and come up with something more middle of the road,  something more approaching a watered down compromise.  Edwards is very hard to assess.  I don't know what to make of most of his proposals.  He does not seem to offer much in terms of educational proposals, he also does not have a history of being involved in any type of education "battle in the trenches."   My hunch is that if money is tight, with Edwards and Obama we would see education put aside to come up with more money for other programs.  It is just a personal feeling (of course, all our votes are based on those) because they just don't have the type of personal involvement that I see from Clinton.  It is more in the abstract, another "issue" like the environment, stem cell, etc.  

I appreciate your comments here, they are a refreshing difference from some of the other banter.   As for "disagreeing strongly," I meant to convey that I truly believe that Clinton would try to do everything humanly possible to create a much better education system, whereas I got the impression that initially your comment was alongst the lines of "They are all pretty much the same, nobody really special on this issue."   She has her faults, but here she shines, IMHO.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:27:28 AM EST
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Re: my education rankings (none / 0)

Well my comment was more along the lines of "does anyone here have a solution that is strong enough to overcome local political hurdles in education even if one is better than the others. So maybe a vote based on this issue alone is not good enough."  This is why I was mad at the DLC types in recent years. They have not made the Democratic Party strong as a whole. For Hillary's proposals to be as effective as possible, the party needs to be strong nationwide. But that's for another thread.

I have no doubt she feels strong on this issue. Just look at the fine way they raised Hillary versus the brats we get from the Republican Presidents.


by Pravin on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 09:10:41 AM EST
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Re: my education rankings (none / 0)

I meant Chelsea, of course.


by Pravin on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 10:10:18 AM EST
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