Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary

Marc Ambinder points us to an interview Al Gore recently submitted to with Harvard alumni magazine 02138 in which the former Vice President stated that he intends to make an endorsement in 2008 (assuming, of course, he doesn't get in -- though I should make clear that he doesn't sound too much like a candidate in the interview).

Will you endorse a candidate in the primary?

Odds are that I will.

Who?

I haven't made that decision yet.

Do you feel some obligation to endorse the wife of your former boss?

Uh ... no. I have friendships with her and with the other candidates, and they're all on equal footing at this point as far as I'm concerned.

Are you advising any candidates?

No.

Talking to any?

Several of them have called from time to time.

Which ones?

I'm not going to violate the privacy of those conversations, but several of them have called regularly. Some have made private visits to Nashville, and I appreciate that.

Among the current crop of candidates, who has the strongest position on global warming?

I don't think anyone has given it the emphasis that it should have. But [Connecticut senator] Chris Dodd deserves credit for proposing a CO2 tax--I'm convinced that we should eliminate the payroll tax and replace it dollar for dollar with a CO2 tax.

Ben Smith does some divining about what this interview means.

Er, one guess on this one.

If/when he goes with Obama, there'll be a lot of chuckling about Howard Dean and the kiss of death. But I think Gore '08 is a very different figure from Gore '04, with much less of the loser's taint.

It certainly would be an interesting development to see Gore endorse Obama -- or anyone else aside from Hillary Clinton, for that matter -- as such a move could limit the former First Lady's ability to claim the greatest stake in ownership over the successes of the Clinton-Gore administration of any of the candidates currently running.

I'd tend to agree with Smith, if not in the reading between the lines then at least in his assertion that Gore's endorsement could carry more weight than it did in 2004. That said, it's not clear to me the role that endorsements -- both those from institutions with hundreds of thousands or millions of members as well as those from politicians with significant lists of supporters -- will have on the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Perhaps my sentiment in this regard has too much of a basis in the race for the 2004 Democratic nomination, when major endorsements seemed to play less of a role than ever. But then again, with the public even more engaged in 2008 than in 2004 and the candidates significantly more well known than candidates four years ago, is it really likely that endorsements will play a greater role in deciding the Democratic nomination? I'm not so certain the answer is yes. But maybe I'm wrong.



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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Why would Gore want to put his credibility on the line when there is no guarantee that his pick will be the winner? As for Gore '08, even if he picks Obama, things won't matter, since people are not going to change their minds over Gore choosing sides.

Finally, I DON'T THINK HE IS GOING TO ENDORSE. He knows that his life is better without taking sides.


by American1989 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:45:46 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 1)

Gore carries a lot of weight, has an awesome fundraising network and Iowa infrastructure still in place.  One could argue the Dean campaign didn't effectively use Gore in 2004, or that the GOP smears from 2002 and 2003 decreased his effectiveness.  An Inconvenient Truth has changed ALL OF THAT.  Gore carries a LOT of favor with the activists of the party and if used correctly he can be a major boon.  Now if he endorses Hillary, that will be a huge blow.  If he endorses anyone else beside the Big 3, I don't think it will matter.  An Edwards or Obama endorsement and campaigning could make a BIG splash in NH and Iowa... will it kill Hillary?  No, but it could make the race a lot closer and open up some more donors.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:14:40 AM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

"...as such a move could limit the former First Lady's ability to claim the greatest stake in ownership over the successes of the Clinton-Gore administration of any of the candidates currently running."

Whatever.  You frontpagers continue to get more and more outrageous. When has Hillary claimed "the greatest stake in the ownership over the successes of Clinton-Gore"?  Give me a break. I don't know who is worse you or Todd Beeton.


by lonnette33 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:46:29 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 1)

I completely agree! Gore endorsing anyone over Hillary would make news, since it would be kind of like Gore not choosing his former boss' wife, but then again, does he want himself to be embarrassed by picking someone other than the eventual winner?

I stress that he will not make that decision. He is just playing around because he wants to remain relevant in the process and does not want this weight to be decreased and for good reason. However, Obama fans should not get too giddy if Gore chooses him, since that will not make things turn around.

Someone remember Dean in December of 2004, getting the backing of Gore and wink/nod from President Carter in Atlanta. Did not Help!


by American1989 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:54:12 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Why do you believe it's going to be news if he does not endorse Hillary. It's no secret they have had some sort of personal attrition in the past.

It's a miracle if Al Gore endorses Hillary, IMHO.

BTW, have you seen Obama supporters' another hit piece on Indian businessmen. I certainly hope you take notes!


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:57:06 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/3/20375 3/4547


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:02:30 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

As will be plain to any intelligent person who reads both the diary and my comments, there is no hint of racism.


by horizonr on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:13:55 PM EST
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Obama doesn't need to turn things around (none / 0)

if you don't beleive national polls anything to begin with. Dean collapsed in Iowa after Gore endorsed him becuase he made stupid mistakes.

The Saddam comment was stupid not because it wasn't true but becuase it was not the right time to say it after the troops dragged the guy out of a hole in the ground.

His out of state supporters harassed Iowan's and left a bad impression of a McGovern type campaign.

The ad war v/s Gephardt. Gore had zilch to do with Dean's loss. Dean had become the "frontrunner" by that point so Gore was just another notch on his belt and didn't matter much.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:19:25 PM EST
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actually, Gore gave pretty good boost to Dean (none / 0)

in national and IA polls.

There were a ton of reasons why Dean lost IA even besides the mistakes by him you mention: Dean was the prime target for EVERYONE (esp. those Dean/Osama attacks ads), and he collapsed under that intense barrage of attacks.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:21:47 AM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

...does he want himself to be embarrassed by picking someone other than the eventual winner?

Maybe Gore would be more embarrassed by picking someone who doesn't share his values, or who doesn't speak out strongly enough about defending our constitutional liberties, or the environment, or putting the concerns of average Americans ahead of those of corporate lobbyists.

I suspect he has the integrity to endorse the candidate that he thinks would make the best president.  I don't see how anyone with principles would be embarrassed by that.


by Lex on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 03:16:13 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (1.00 / 1)

WAHH!!! I attack everyone elses candidate but the big bad front pager is picking on Hillary... WAAH!!!


by yitbos96bb on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:15:26 AM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

It's possible to disagree with over such a statement somebody seriously and respectfully. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I can see that people could have problems with her comment but your comment further lowers the tone instead of raising it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:41:28 AM EST
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if Al Gore endorses Obama (none / 0)

the fallout will be enourmous. For Gore not to stay atleast nuetral here will be a stunning rebuke of Hillary. Bullshit aside it will prove that he does not think highly of what happened in the late 90's. If Gore disses Hillary like that alot of less informed Dems will wonder why! It would be a seminal moment in the campaign.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:52:04 PM EST

Re: if Al Gore endorses Obama (none / 0)

seminal moment? The seminal moment was when Sen. Obama said that he would make sure FEMA was ready during a terrorist attack, instead of calling his generals and informing them to find out the root cause and responding back.


by American1989 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:55:23 PM EST
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Re: if Al Gore endorses Obama (none / 0)

Even after 9/11 it was months before America responded.  But drawing on the lessons of 9/11 more people would have been saved and the first responders would have had less casualties had they been had better informed or prepared.  You would want the next president to protect your butt first before seeking revenge.  

I pray you don't find yourself in such a situation and watch your president only go after those who did it (even if they are in an American city) and leave the citizens to fend for themselves.  Does Katrina ring a bell about citizens fending for themselves?


by Jalenth on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:06:52 AM EST
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Re: if Al Gore endorses Obama (2.00 / 1)

You think small.

Al Gore endorsing Obama does nothing, especially for Al Gore.

All it does is maintain the status quo, i.e., media headlines "Clinton v. Obama."

Once Gore, Carter, and Bradley endorse John Edwards, which I fully expect to happen, that will raise John Edwards' profile among a lot of Democrats this year, and shake things up.

Those endorsements mean more this year than they did in 2004, and they would definitely mean more for John Edwards than they did for Howard Dean who was the frontrunner at the time that he received them, which proves what I'm saying.  

If Gore endorses one of the so-called "frontrunners," it essentially maintains the status quo.  Besides, a lot of Gore's supporters are leaning towards John Edwards.  I don't necessarily think that Gore is going to go in the opposite direction.  

Gore's profile has increased.  Carter's profile is up, as is Bradley's.

Here's the thing, though.  The media hate John Edwards.  If Gore endorses Obama, the media would approve of that move, and saturate Gore with praise.

if Gore, Carter, and Bradley endorse John Edwards, they will be dragged through the mud, and called "losers endorsing a loser."

We shall see.  I say, it's going to be John Edwards.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:40:34 PM EST
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Gore won't endorse Obama (2.00 / 2)

there are too many in the environmental movement connected to Gore that aren't too thrilled with Obama.

See Grist's scathing review of Obama's environmental policy:

http://grist.org/feature/2007/07/06/cand idates/


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:05:44 PM EST
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I Agree (none / 0)

I would be VERY surprised if Gore endorses Obama.  For better or worse, Obama is the least progressive of the top three on the environment.  

In addition, every so often, Obama resurrects his "we all need to be bipartisan and compromise" rhetoric, and that is NOT what the environmental community wants at all.  (Did I mention that is NOT what the environmental community wants?)

Edwards, by contrast, like Gore, wants to push the envelope on the environment.  Edwards wants to ask for, and receive an historic mandate from the American people in November 2008 to push for solar, wind and conservation like we have never done before.  

The national polls on these issues tell us that vast majorities of Americans want this national effort to happen.  Americans want a serious, national solar effort.  They want a national conservation effort.  In fact, they have been waiting now for 30 years for a presidential candidate to be explicit on this, to seek and get a mandate to accomplish these desired changes.


by Demo37 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:53:38 PM EST
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Re: Contradictions (none / 0)

My problem with Edwards and the environment is that is spite of all the talk, he flies his personal hair dresser all over the country when he
needs hair cuts.

That Live Aid or Green Aid Concert only generated more abuse to the planet.  It did not raise awareness, how much fuel was used for the planes, SUVs, the lights, television stations, computer hook-ups?

Obviously there is a need, but the issue of environmental awareness should not be the source of creating more destruction on our earth.


by Indiimani on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 11:25:18 PM EST
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Re: if Al Gore endorses Obama (none / 0)

Depends on who he endorses and why, He's been pretty clear that his support hinges on the environment, Now if he support a candidate who has made his support clear and vocal for the sort of action Gore has proposed over time nobody will think it remarkable. If Gore supports a second tier candidate people will also think that it would be on the issues.

Only if he endorses Obama or Edwards while non has made any real waves on the environment it will be seen as a rebuke of Hillary. It could happen but I doubt it would happen as long as Hillary leads. Gore is on a mission against Global Warming in which he'll want the help of the White house so he wouldn't want to lower his access with any of the possible winners.

So he's not going to rock the boat with endorsements. He's got bigger, better and more important things to do then surprise endorsements.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:52:32 AM EST
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Edwards or Dodd (2.00 / 1)

If I'm going to take a bet, it's not going to be Obama, it's certainly not going to be Hillary.

I believe it's going to be Edwards or a second-tier candidate, most likely Chris Dodd.

I don't believe Al Gore is particularly keen on Obama phenomenon, on the contrary, he has expressed repeatedly he particularly loathes modern politics which places style over substance.
For this reason alone, I predict it won't be Obama.

For obvious reason, he's not going to endorse Hillary.

He speaks highly of Chris Dodd on his anti-global warming proposal. If he does not care about picking a winner, it may be Chris Dodd.

The most reasonable guess is Edwards.

No matter whom he endorses, it won't matter much though in the end.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:54:51 PM EST

Re: Edwards or Dodd (2.00 / 1)

Smart post.

1) Gore wants to shake up the race, so endorsing Clinton or Obama would defeat that purpose.  Endorsing John Edwards shakes things up.  

2) If Gore really wants to anger the Clintons, he'll endorse John Edwards, who is the candidate that the Clintons were always worried about from day 1, even after Obama raised $30+ million.  They still didn't think Obama was a threat to actually win, and regardless of what Obama "raised," they knew they would always have enough money.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:32:44 PM EST
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Re: Edwards or Dodd (2.00 / 1)

I predict he'll probably Edwards, but not for the reason you mentioned. I still like Gore, and I don't believe he particularly care about 'shaking up the race' or stuff like that. He cares more about who will promote his own pet project these days.

Since Edwards seems to be focused on policies in this race, I think Gore will choose him, or maybe Dodd if you read this article carefully.

I really don't believe he likes Obama that much. Gore hates political process which focuses on money, personalities, image etc. Obama's campaign has all these fingerprints.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:39:49 PM EST
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Obama has a good environment record (none / 0)

including excellent LCV ratings, and he made strong progress on CTL.

"I really don't believe he likes Obama that much."

Speculation.

"Gore hates political process which focuses on money, personalities, image etc. Obama's campaign has all these fingerprints."

Same old baseless and stupid smears of Obama. Obama has a strong progressive record, opposed the war and makes the most sense on foreign policy (FOx News smears of it notwithstanding.)

There's a reason that Democratic foreign policy thinkers like ZBig and Sorensen are endorsing Obama. Gore has a significant interest in foreign policy matters like those two gentlemen, in addition to environmental and economic issues.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:11:12 AM EST
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Re: Obama has a good environment record (none / 0)

What's his "strong progress" on CTL?  Last I saw, he was a co-sponsor of that horrible CTL bill in the Senate.  Last I saw was the Grist interview of him from July 30th, where he's STILL talking about CTL.  As Al Gore said, this is a "horrible mistake".

Toning down his support for CTL while still pushing for it is not "strong progress" in my book.  Repudiating it altogether would be.


by BruinKid on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:56:58 AM EST
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Well, BK, (none / 0)

There is a lot of coal out there, esp. in underdeveloped countries in Africa.

As a PhD student in stats you have a scietific mind. You can't rule out the possibility that we may be able to find a process to produce some variant of coal, CTL or otherwise, that produces less CO2 per energy unit. Can you?

In fact, my strong hunch is that we will find such a process with some basic research into finding it.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 04:58:08 AM EST
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Well, BK, (none / 0)

There is a lot of coal out there, esp. in underdeveloped countries in Africa.

As a PhD student in stats you have a scientific mind. You can't rule out the possibility that we may be able to find a process to produce some variant of coal, CTL or otherwise, that produces less CO2 per energy unit. Can you?

In fact, my strong hunch is that we will find such a process with some basic research into finding it.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 04:58:28 AM EST
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He's spoken highly of Edwards and Dodd (2.00 / 1)

Edwards for specifics, and Dodd for his carbon tax as noted above.

Not positive he'll endorse and really not sure what the impact will be (besides disappointing a lot of Gore fans) but I would say Edwards has the edge on getting it.

Hard to say about impact. The diehard Gore waiters might just follow his endorsement if Gore makes his case strong enough and is outspoken. If Gore wants his endorsement to count, he's going to have to be outspoken and get involved with some campaigning.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:09:24 PM EST
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When did he speak 'highly' of Edwards? (none / 0)

Can you tell provide susbtantiation with links for this: "He's spoken highly of Edwards. Edwards for specifics"?

AFAIK, he has had some nice words (these spanning several interviews) for most the top-tier candidates and Dodd.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:26:56 PM EST
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Sure (none / 0)

from Larry King May 22:

KING: Senator Edwards?

GORE: Likewise, running a strong campaign. Put out a lot of very thoughtful policy, statements and positions. I think you can see the strength that he's gained from having been around the track last time.

I'm sure it won't convince you, because you dislike Edwards with a passion but it is nonetheless a compliment.

Edwards also won the Moveon.org global warming forum that Gore introduced by a pretty hefty margin and has recognized Gore's role throughout the campaign and promoted Live Earth and the pledge through his campaign.


by okamichan13 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:03:22 AM EST
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He was nice to Obama as well (none / 0)


KING: What do you make of young Senator Obama?

GORE: He is also running a very strong campaign. I think that he is appealing to a lot of people who like the sense that he's talking about issues in a fresh way. And, you know, he has a lot of support.

because you dislike Edwards with a passion

I don't dislike Edwards as a person. I know his record to a fair degree. His rhetoric (and those promoting) also often doesn't add up when you look at his record.

I object to nominating Edwards because of his horrible war record between 2002 and 2004, for both progressive and general election strategy reasons, but would vote for him in the GE if he does win the nomination.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:14:21 AM EST
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Larry King Live (none / 0)

He did so on Larry King Live.

He was asked about the top 3 of each party.

It took him a very long time to figure out something to say about Hillary and Obama.

It was something like...

Larry King:  What do you think about Senator Clinton?

Gore: (typical Gore voice) Well...uh...she...is a strong candidate.

Larry King:  What about Senator Obama?

Gore: (pause) Also...also a uh strong candidate.

(It was like "strong candidate" was the only thing he wanted to say about them:

Larry King: Senator Edwards?

Gore:  Likewise, another strong candidate, but he has been very specific in the policies that he has proposed.

I watched it live and it really did come across like it took him a long time to say something nice about Clinton, but he went right into giving Edwards credit, without stalling.

Also, for what it is worth, there is a rumor that Edwards was the first choice of the Gore family to speak at their banquet.  I know people who say that this has been confirmed, but I have never seen the article myself, so that is why I am saying that it is a rumor.

Gore also said that he would endorse the candidate that led on environmental issues.

And LCV (look at their ("The Heat Is On" chart)

Grist Magazine - "How Green Is Your Candidate"

And of course MoveOn memebrs all say that Edwards is leading on these issues.

Why do you make these big challenges to people to prove you wrong when you obviously don't know what you are talking about?


The bold progressive leader is the most electable candidate. Reclaim the Democratic Party! Support John Edwards.
by Michael 4 Edwards on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 05:08:13 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 2)

other than thinking Ben Smith sounds like a total ass and a confused one at that, I can't think of a single reason why Gore would endorse anyone before the primaries unless one of them goes a LOT farther with their ideas on global warming.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:56:31 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I think he will. He and Hillary have some sort of personal animosity. Al Gore wants to have some sort of influence in the primaries. I believe it's likely he'll endorse Edwards.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:58:29 PM EST
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the Gore endorsement of Obama (none / 0)

was something I brought up on Kos a while back. I think Gore's daughters and thier friends love Barack and that could be a big influence. He could do it saying the nation needs a "generational" change in leadership and cite Obama's Iraq vote.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:01:25 PM EST
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Re: the Gore endorsement of Obama (none / 0)

In your dreams


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:22:13 PM EST
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Re: the Gore endorsement of Obama (none / 0)

I agree with your analysis for a Gore endorsement of Obama. Obama represents the generational change of American politics.

Hillary is the nostalgic candidate- She represents the past.

Edwards is a traditional candidate. another White Southern male.

Obama- is the fresh candidate.


by nkpolitics on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:27:22 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I can think of several some of which involve the type of politics that he now abhors embodied in the form of Clinton's strategy, his environmental views, his views regarding the loss of reason in politic,s the fact he doesn't like the clintons- that's jus toff top my head. But of course you must be shitting in your pants regardign the mere prospect so you must say there aren't any.


by bruh21 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:38:08 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

The "fact" that he doesn't like the Clintons and the assumption that "I must be shitting in my pants....
you always add so much to the conversation with your idiotic speculation bruh, I can't for the life of me figure out why you aren't favorite member of this blog.
DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:50:18 AM EST
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I hope Obama is working on this (none / 0)

It will end the "experience" bullshit once and for all. Plus it wwould be a signal for democrats that a new generation of leadership is needed, most of Hillary's support is based on familiarity and nostalgia this would be a brutal personal slight for Gore to comeout againt her and it would sting.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:57:30 PM EST

Agreed. (none / 0)


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by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:48:54 PM EST
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Re: I hope Obama is working on this (2.00 / 3)

Liquefied coal...nuclear power plants.

Al Gore is not going to endorse Obama.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:50:22 PM EST
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Re: I hope Obama is working on this (2.00 / 2)

Obama is a baby boomer.  And why is a generational change needed?  And why is it important for "it to sting?"

Is this a spiteful popularity contest to you kids or do you actually care about what is best for the country?


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:27:50 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I think he'll endorse Obama from what i have heard , but he will only do so if Obama keeps it close in Iowa...Obama has been trending up in Iowa so this is good news.

Gore could really hurt the Clinton...A lot of democrats will wonder why he's not endorsing his's ex-boss's wife.

Did Gore campaign in Iowa for Dean?...A verbal endorsement is not as powerful as the endorser actually campaigning hard for you , on the ground side by side.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:26:06 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 1)

Like I said months ago, John Edwards will receive endorsements from:

Al Gore
Jimmy Carter
Bill Bradely

among others.

Gore wants his endorsement to have the largest impact on the race.

Gore knows that the only candidate the Clintons were ever worried about heading into this primary season was John Edwards, and him endorsing John Edwards would have the greatest chance of shaking up the race.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:28:49 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 1)

Bradley


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:29:19 PM EST
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Gore can diplomatically say (none / 0)

it's time for a new generation of leadership and how great Obama (or Edwards) is but all the media will talk about is what a stab in the back it is to Hillary and Bill. Footage of the bus ride in 92 will be used as tv wallpaper. For Obama it would be huge becuase it would so end the "experience" stuff once and for all but more importantly it ould serve as a wakeup call to people that Hillary is so polarizing that even Al Gore want's someone else.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:34:07 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 2)

Stop cheerleading and think.

Why in the world would Gore endorse Obama?

Liquefied coal or nuclear power plants?

I say neither.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:49:34 PM EST
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ELIMINATE THE PAYROLL TAX????? (none / 0)

Are you sure they weren't confusing Grover Norquist for Gore in that interview? Good grief. What the hell happened to the "lock box".


by OfficeOfLife on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:31:21 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

He won't endorse the Clinton Show. It simply goes agains his evolution. Think about it.


by bruh21 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:34:04 PM EST

yeah (none / 0)

he's tired of triangulation politics and meaningless poll tested bromides.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:35:27 PM EST
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Re: yeah (none / 0)

exactly.


by bruh21 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:34:17 PM EST
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Obama, if anyone (none / 0)

If it were solely on climate change, I might guess Edwards or Richardson -- two candidates who have been marginally more agressive,
as well as more holistic, in their approach to climate change, including an inclination to link energy policy to foreign policy. Much as Gore
likes Dodd's carbon tax, I'm not convinced that that would be enough to swing an endorsement.

Of course, even Al Gore's endorsement would not be on climate change alone but on climate change and electability.

This probably swings it to Obama -- as I said, Edwards and Richardson have been only marginally more aggressive -- with Edwards still
a very outside possibility.

Given Gore's connection to the Old South, an endorsement of Obama would be richly and poignantly symbolic on multiple levels. So I
think that if Obama can up the ante on the environment -- and he would need to do that for Gore -- that's the endorsement that
Gore would most like to be able to offer.

   


by horizonr on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:35:54 PM EST

Re: Obama, if anyone (none / 0)

frankly endorsing Dodd would be about as meaningfull as endorsing nobody at all. It would quickly fade away as a "friend" thing.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:38:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama, if anyone (none / 0)

Right.


by horizonr on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:40:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama, if anyone (2.00 / 2)

Obama?  Please.

Tell me, what does Al Gore think about liquefied coal and nuclear power plants?


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:45:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama, if anyone (none / 0)

What did I say? Obama, if anyone.

If. If. If.

As I make abundantly clear in the post, Obama must up the ante
on energy, if he hopes to get the nod from Gore.

Please bother to read what you're about to comment on, before
indulging your adventures in smug self-righteousness.


by horizonr on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:01:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama, if anyone (none / 0)

Edwards, IF, anyone.

Your logic is ridiculous.  

Why would it be "Obama, IF, anyone," IF Al Gore does not think liquefied coal and nuclear power plants are a good idea, and Obama does?


by OE on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 05:36:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama, if anyone (none / 0)

I see that the English language presents a problem for you.


by horizonr on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:23:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I was a Gore (none / 0)

supporter.  I would have supported him if he had run.  However, his endorsement of another candidate would just leave me disappointed in him.  I've met tons of other women online who were originally Gore supporters, but now in Hill's camp.  Now, most of them wouldn't change sides if Gore himself were to run.  I think it is a big risk for him to try to influence the race if he want's to influence environmental policy going forward because he'd lose a lot of grassroots fans by doing so.  Unless he picks someone who has the record on the environment (Richardson), or/and is not likely to win(Dodd), I think it will be a mistake.  He could swing some votes toward Obama or Edwards, but not enough to win it, IMO.  


by bookgrl on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:36:50 PM EST

Re: I was a Gore (none / 0)

Obama has alot more grassroots fans than Hillary. Maybe he simply thinks we some new leadership in Washington and that Obama is more likely to accomplish somethig big on climate change than a polarizing Hillary would.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:41:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I was a Gore (none / 0)

That's nothng to do with what I said.  Further, Hillary has alot of grassroots support.  You must have a very limited definition of the grassroots.

My main point was if Gore were to support Obama or Edwards(less so with Edwards because he has stronger policy positions) he would split his own(Gore's) supporters.  Going into the next presidency, were his candidate to win he'd have influence, but if they were to lost the primary(likely, IMO) he risks splitting his own supporters so that he would have less grassroots support than he does today, and therefore less ability to mobilize people and influence policy.


by bookgrl on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:46:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I was a Gore (none / 0)

if Gore and Hillary don't like each other much then he has no influence with her anyway. Gore also spoke about how the media handled the 2000 race, well maybe he sees some of this happening to Obama. Serious issues are being reduced to soundbites like "naive" and "inexperienced" while the press fawns over Hillary, It must be very familier to him.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:51:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Take it easy. This (none / 0)

is just my opinion.


by bookgrl on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:54:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I was a Gore (none / 0)

Gore's endorsement means very little. The press will likely continue the storyline of Gore vs. Hillary fight. It's going to be a wash.

Endorsement means very very little in elections.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:46:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

As an Edwards supporter, the words thing Al Gore could do is endorse Bill Richardson.  

Not because I'm worried about Richardson.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:47:59 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

He's largely been saying this all along - I remember from the Larry King interview that he said he would "probably" endorse a candidate.  That being said, it's hard not to notice the sudden up-tick in publicity...this Harvard interview and the Vanity Fair issue since the beginning of the month.  It's been conventional wisdom that if he's thinking about running, we'd start seeing him back in the news in September.

IF he chooses not the run, my bet is that he endorses Edwards or, if he were to ever pick up some traction, Dodd.  If Edwards doesn't get Gore's endorsement, his candidacy might be doomed - a Gore endorsement elsewhere largely undercuts Edwards' liberal base.


Netroots for Gore
by NYPopulist on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:48:03 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Obama is the only candidate that has an environment page on his website and my guess is , they've been courting Gore.

Gore would help Obama the most because it would give him some cred among older voters and bring Gore's fans who's been waiting for Gore, on board...It would also decrease the 'inexperience' meme....If Gore thinks obama is experienced enough , so should you.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:51:08 PM EST

You sure about that? (2.00 / 4)

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy new-energy-economy

John Edwards would certainly disagree


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:55:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Is it on the environmental page where he talks about LNG, coal, and nuclear power plants and how he supports using them?


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:08:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Gore endorsing Obama? Pure fantasy (2.00 / 4)

That seems pretty far-fetched, almost in the realm of science-fiction.

After all Gore introduced the MoveOn.org forum on climate change which Obama placed 4th in:

http://www.moveon.org/press/pr/release07 1107.html

and Obama's had pretty lackluster reviews of his environmental policies, even supporting liquid coal which Gore is explicity against. For an example of how Obama's plan fares in comparison to others see Grist:

"Barack Obama's take on energy and climate is, well, Obaman: the rhetoric is soaring and high-minded, the policy proposals consensus-seeking and incremental. With the exception of showy gimmicks like his "Health Care for Hybrids" bill, he's largely been a follower, signing on to multiple cap-and-trade bills and copping Schwarzenegger's low-carbon fuel standard. His main splash in the energy world happened when he came out cheerleading for liquefied coal, which coal barons (especially in his home state of Illinois) loved but plenty of other folks hated; he later "clarified" his way back to safety. On these issues, Obama is largely platitudinous and reserved."

http://grist.org/feature/2007/07/06/cand idates/

I can't see Gore endorsing Obama under any circumstances; Gore cares too much about his issues. And he isn't pushing for compromise, but real change.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:53:54 PM EST

Re: Gore endorsing Obama? Pure fantasy (2.00 / 2)

I agree, like I said:

Obama?  Please.

Tell me, what does Al Gore think about liquefied coal and nuclear power plants?

Some people aren't thinking.

Gore is not a groupie.  Gore probably won't be making his decision based on how in love with Obama the media is, like some people did.


by OE on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:09:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pure and unadulterated smears of Obama (none / 0)

Looking the smashing and trashing of Obama using stupid smears by Edwards and Clinton supporters in this diary is, to be honest, repulsive.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:13:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I wish to qualify: (none / 0)

The smashing and trashing of Obama using stupid smears by some Edwards and Clinton supporters in this diary is, to be honest, repulsive.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:17:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pure and unadulterated smears of Obama (none / 0)

Show me the smash and thrash?

Obama supports Nuclear Power plants and liquefied coal.

Gore does not.  I'm sorry that FACT doesn't register in your thick skull.


by OE on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 05:34:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Punk, your facts on CTL are wrong. (none / 0)

You're smearing with half-truths on it. You're likely smearing on nuclear power also. Show me your damn evidence; source your damn claims.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 08:07:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama has made significant progress on CTL (none / 0)

responding to the calls from environmental groups (I also wrote an "open letter" as a comment here at myDD to him requesting him to pull back his support for CTL):

  1. Bunning's S 154
  2. Bunning's S. 155
  3. Bunning's Amdt SA 1628
  4. Tester's Amdt SA 1614

Obama voted against Bunning's SA 1628, and for the improved SA 1614 of Tester. He seems to still be a cosponsor of S 154 and S 155 (IMO, he should go ahead and withdraw his co-sponsorship of Bunning's bills). I have not compared Bunning's amendment to S 154/155 to tell the differences, if any.

Obama issued his desired policy/research goal of finding (through basic research) ways of making coal 20% more efficient in terms of emissions relative to regular gasoline, over life-cycle. Whether future research can reach that goal or not is unknown, but Obama's expectation is clear.

~~

Grist's characterization of what happened on CTL seems very biased: "His main splash in the energy world happened when he came out cheerleading for liquefied coal, which coal barons (especially in his home state of Illinois) loved but plenty of other folks hated; he later "clarified" his way back to safety.", because, Obama never actually voted for Bunning's bills.

Edwards had a somewhat mediocre environmental record (67% LCV rating, as I recall) but OK record on global warming. Grist wrote a piece to defend Edwards' environment record when it came under attack (it was general election time, and hence justified since the people we were running against, Bush and Cheney, have been miserable with their environmental policy.)

~~

I would guess that Gore may factor-in the Iraq war as well, similar to his 2004 endorsement. On that count, in 2004, he didn't endorse Lieberman and Edwards (his #1 and #2). Highly possible reason: Lieberman's war resolution, and Edwards' co-sponsorship of it (along with the likes of McCain and Zell Miller) AND voted for it and supported the war it strongly until it began and then remained supportive of his vote/support through 2004.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:24:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm he doesn't sound like an Obama fan (none / 0)

here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbNImXTEk NA

in fact, that "special interests" talk sounds a lot like a certain former senator from North Carolina.

What CTL shows, with Obama moving back and forth on it, is that Obama just isn't decisive enough or driven enough on these issues for Gore. He's not a radical change candidate; he's a gradual change through consensus candidate. Its very hard to see Gore's ideas becoming a top priority for an Obama adminnistration.

And his position on the war since entering the Senate has reflected this as well. Its muddled and indecisive.

I can see no reason at all why Gore would endorse that.


by okamichan13 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:11:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Funny how Obama is attacked for voted NOT cast (2.00 / 1)

by him, and the same people that want us to forget about what Edwards did for 3 years on the war, with actualy votes, co-sponsorhsips, and all around hawking of the war in a real way.

I'll take Obama's thoughtful deliberative approach to swinging around with the public opinion and the latest electoral calculations, eg, hawking the war forcefully for 3 years and then doing a 180 degree turn when the public opinion also turned.

Obama may not give what we want in the doses we want when we want them (i.e. he doesn't pander), but his is apparently more honest with himself and with the voters.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:21:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If only Obama spoke out as much now (none / 0)

as he did before entering the Senate. Lets see...

pre-senate - against funding the war. in the senate - not a word on the war for 11 months, votes for funding every single time except this most recent (and claims he's not voting to cut funding after he votes at the last minute). Votes for the Gregg amendment (ignore the contradiction).

not for withdrawal- votes against Feingold/Kerry, calls a withdrawal with a date certain irresponsible.
or is he for withdrawal - puts out a plan for withdrawal (with waivable conditions) right after announcing.

at least I know exactly where Edwards is now. He was for a withdrawal when Obama was voting against it. With Obama his position on the war seems to change every month.

One of the amazing things about the race is how Obama let someone who made the mistake of voting for the war be seen as a stronger advocate for ending the war.

It was a real missed opportunity for him.


by okamichan13 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:50:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Land of Oz (none / 0)

So you're a member of which -- the Lullaby League or the Lollipop Guild? Next thing
we know, you'll be welcoming us all to Munchkin Land.


by horizonr on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:57:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This relates to Obama's lack (none / 0)

of leadership how exactly?


by okamichan13 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:29:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's has excellent LCV ratings: (none / 0)

It turns out, when I just checked for comprehensive LCV ratings record at League of Conservation Voters website.

Posting the long comment to provide potentially useful resource for the readership.



Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)

Vote Ratings
109th, 2nd Session (2006)     100%
109th, 1st Session (2005)     95%

---

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)

Vote Ratings
109th, 2nd Session (2006)     71%
109th, 1st Session (2005)     95%
108th Congress (2003-2004)     92%
107th Congress (2001-2002)     88%

---

Vote Ratings
108th Congress (2003-2004)     32%
107th Congress (2001-2002)     68%
106th Congress (1999-2000)     88%

Senator John R. Edwards (D-NC)

Scorecards for 3 more candidates (LCV score cards for Richardson and Gravel don't seem to be available).


Representative Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH 10th)

Vote Ratings
109th, 2nd Session (2006)     100%
109th, 1st Session (2005)     100%
108th Congress (2003-2004)     90%
107th Congress (2001-2002)     95%
106th Congress (1999-2000)     90%

---

Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE)

Vote Ratings
109th, 2nd Session (2006)     100%
109th, 1st Session (2005)     90%
108th Congress (2003-2004)     92%
107th Congress (2001-2002)     96%
106th Congress (1999-2000)     88%

---

Senator Christopher J. Dodd (D-CT)

Vote Ratings
109th, 2nd Session (2006)     100%
109th, 1st Session (2005)     90%
108th Congress (2003-2004)     88%
107th Congress (2001-2002)     80%
106th Congress (1999-2000)     88%



Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:01:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And here's what the LCV says about (none / 0)

John Edwards plan on climate change:

"The League of Conservation Voters applauds Sen. John Edwards for taking the lead in announcing aggressive plans to combat global warming. Senator Edwards' key policy is to enact a cap that will achieve 80 percent reductions in emissions by mid-century, mirroring the Sanders-Boxer (S.309) bill in Congress.

Senator Edwards also calls for an aggressive energy efficiency plan that will meet all of America's growing energy needs, while requiring that a quarter of our nation's electricity is produced from renewables by 2025.

Senator Edwards' plan demonstrates that he understands the magnitude of the challenge before us and the need for bold leadership to meet it.

America can lead the world in developing the technologies and jobs of the new energy economy instead of outsourcing those opportunities to other countries. Forward-looking approaches will restore America's credibility abroad and make us leaders in the fight to combat global warming.

Senator Edwards has outlined the most comprehensive global warming plan of any presidential candidate to date. We look forward to other 2008 presidential candidates outlining their plans to address this pressing issue."

http://johnedwards.com/news/headlines/lc v20070320/


by okamichan13 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 07:34:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

environment isn't only about global warming (none / 0)


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 04:59:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Very correct (none / 0)

and Edwards plan isn't just global warming.


by okamichan13 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:02:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter, I hope Statesman Al Gore, as well as President Carter, holds off endorsing anyone.  High profile endorsements are often the kiss of death.  The Gore endorsement was the beginning of the end for Dean the last time.  Let the voters decide.


by howardpark on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:56:14 PM EST

could not disagree more! (2.00 / 1)

Dean fell apart on his own and there was nothing anyone could do to save him. Obama doesn't have the "tempermant" issue but some do question his experience because he popped on to the scene so quickly. Gore could make some dems wary of such a big change more comfortable.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:37:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Honestly haven't seen any (none / 0)

evidence at all on how Gore's endorsement hurt Dean.

Dean's campaign had other problems that had nothing to do with Al Gore.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:06:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A Gore endorsement could (2.00 / 1)

seriously affect the dynamics of this race.

Gore for Obama '08!!!!!!!!!!!!


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:57:28 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (2.00 / 1)

Gore has my vote if he runs. If he endorses a candidate, that candidate jumps to the top of my list (since I'm not particularly thrilled with any of them). And I can't be the only one thinking that way. So although I agree that endorsements are often meaningless, I'm not sure Gore's endorsement in particular is as insignificant as your post suggests. The guy's got a large and passionate fan club that values his judgement very highly.


by arbitropia on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:08:04 PM EST

Agreed (2.00 / 1)

this is what I see. It will at least cause strong Gore supporters to take a strong look or second look at whoever Gore endorses and also free up money, volunteering, time etc.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:11:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Agreed (2.00 / 1)

Agreed were he to endorse Edwards it would provide a big lift as well.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:38:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Same for Obama (none / 0)

though I have my doubts he would get it, if he did, it would be huge for him.

It would set up him (or Edwards) as in some ways the clear challenger to Hillary. Either Edwards or Obama would certainly like that.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:08:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I do not see Gore endorsing Obama. Sorry folks. First of all, Obama supports liquid coal which Gore is against. Liquid coal pollutes way too much and is harmful for the environment. Also, I do not think Obama has a plan to fight global warming. I think he has ideas but no solid concrete plan. I did not know Dodd had a plan on fighting global warming. I will have to check it out. I do think Gore will endorse Edwards. He is the only one among the top 3 that has a concrete plan to fight global warming.


by johanna94 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:35:15 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

He has " hope " for the environment .

Thats a plan Gore should be able to endorse.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:38:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

junk comment. (none / 0)


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 06:38:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

That's a good point about coal, but I have a feeling that Gore is way too experienced to vie for the perfect candidate that doesn't exist. I'm pretty certain he's going to go with the youth candidate. Last time it was Dean, this time it will be Obama. It may not have anything to do with the agenda he wants to see in the future. But then I'm pretty sure that whomever he endorses, he'll have an active role in formulating that person's energy policy period.

But I think Hillary was right to say that coal realistically isn't going to just go away. It's just too cheap and too abundant in the United States for it not to be considered an option by energy firms when we know that all of the known oil and gas reserves (as of 2000) will be near depletion within the next 50 years.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:40:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I still think Gore wants to endorse a candidate with a strong plan to fight global warming. Global warming is a huge issue for Gore. Obama does not have a strong plan to fight it. Also, I think Gore has a lot of respect for Edwards. Edwards was one of his VP nominees in 2000. Why Gore chose Lieberman over Edwards, I have no idea. That was a huge mistake for Gore.


by johanna94 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:42:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Edwards in 2000 was a replica of Bill Clinton- a white southern male.

Lieberman was a historical candidate- the First Orthodox Jewish candidate on a national ticket. Gore wanted to distance himself from the Clinton scandals. Lieberman had crossover appeal.


by nkpolitics on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:42:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Thanks nkpolitics. It makes sense.


by johanna94 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:30:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Since when did quoting Ben Smith's ruminations (none / 0)

on the front page, especially when he's slamming Gore with "loser's taint" nonsense become fashionable?

Gore won against significant odds that he as handicapped with, esp. the 15-18 point deficit he inherited from the Clinton scandal circus. The 2000 Presidential election: A Synopsis


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:37:08 PM EST

Smith (none / 0)

he is correct that Gore is viewed alot more favorably now than in 2004 when many dems blamed Gore for "blowing the election" in retrospect while the Gore campaign was not perfect many see the pro-Bush media, the Clinton scandals and The Nader leeching of progressive voters as the reason for the "tie".


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:41:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, he is incorrect. (none / 0)

Gore led most of the polls (most by large leads) for the 2004 Democratic nomination until he dropped out of the race in Dec'02.

Gore's endorsement gave Dean solid boosts in polls. Please see the links here.

And, in particular this:


Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Dec. 11-12, 2003. N=357 registered Democrats and independents who lean Democratic nationwide. MoE ± 6.

"As you may know, this week Al Gore endorsed Howard Dean for president. Does Gore's endorsement make you more likely or less likely to support Dean in the Democratic race for president -- or does Gore's endorsement not make much difference?"

More Likely(35%)
Less Likely (9%)
link


26% net plus is quite high for endorsement caliber (since the third option "or does Gore's endorsement not make much difference?" is given, it means that for 26% net, his endorsement made a significant difference).

Based on some 2002 polls and recent NH/MI primary polls, Gore seems to have a latent strong support of about 30-35% Democrats. Strong in the sense that he might poll 30% if he enters the race, even with Hillary Clinon in the field. That 35% seems to have reflected in the poll above, sort of corroborating it.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:09:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Honestly haven't seen any (none / 0)

evidence at all on how Gore's endorsement hurt Dean.

Dean's campaign had other problems that had nothing to do with Al Gore.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:05:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oops (none / 0)

this was posted in the wrong spot.


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:05:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

he will endorse edwards. They are very similar .


by bruh21 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 10:39:56 PM EST

Gore on liquid coal (none / 0)

this to me makes it very clear why a Gore endorsement would be so hard for Obama to get - and also why it would be such a coup if he did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbNImXTEk NA


by okamichan13 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:12:33 PM EST

Al Gore will be endorsing himself (2.00 / 1)

as he said last month, he will probably reenter politics and none of the candidates are speaking about the Climate Crisis as they should be, in his humble opinion.

Time for a COOL change,
Gore
2008


by LindaSFNM on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 11:24:33 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I was hoping that Gore would get in, but I'm pretty much resigned that he isn't getting in.  Oh well... shame.  He'd have been a great President.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:16:53 AM EST

The only candidate Gore mentioned (none / 0)

Was Chris Dodd, but Ben Smith believes that he'll endorse Barack Obama?  Clearly, pundit logic is not like our earth logic.

Nor is pundit fact like earth fact.  Ben Smith need only look at Dean's polling before and after the Gore endorsement to see that it was an enormous positive for his campaign.  Very few who thought Gore had a "loser's taint" vote in the Democratic primary.


by Drew on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:45:02 AM EST

EDWARDS: true plan for the environment (none / 0)

EDWARDS won the Moveon.org poll with 33% of the vote ,next came at 15% for Kucinich.

His plan was applauded by the League of Conservation Voters.

I think if Gore is going to endorse someone, I would hope it would be Edwards.


by yann123 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:13:34 AM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

...forgot to mention...

Edwards is opposed to coal and liquid coal and to nuclear energy. Not the case with the other leading candidates...


by yann123 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 02:15:11 AM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Just something to note:  Kerry had the best environmental record of the 04 candidates, but Gore still went with Dean.


by Namtrix on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 06:53:26 AM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

In 2000- Gore selected Holy Joe as his VP nominee- Why? Answer he wanted to distance himself from the Clinton Scandals. He wanted to select the first Jewish candidate on the national ticket and select a candidate that has crossover appeal. He selected Harold Ford Jr to give the Keynote Address.

In 2004 Gore selected Dean because Dean was the future of Democratic Party and the American electorate- The ability to excite the grassroots community.


by nkpolitics on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:34:53 PM EST
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October 17th (none / 0)

A recent Daily Kos diary touted an Al Gore event scheduled at the Economic Club Of Chicago on October 17th, just after third-quarter fundraising numbers will be released. Seems like a pretty opportune time and place for an endorsement doesn't it? I have a good feeling that he'll be endorsing Barack that day. The liquified coal argument Edwards supporters (and areyouready) are making is bunk. Obama has clearly articulated that he supports research into improving the liquified coal process. But he doesn't suggest that it should become the lone fuel source of the future. He merely suggests that it could be utilized as an immediate tool for moving away from petroleum and decreasing our dependence on foreign sources of oil. The longer-term development of better, cleaner renewable sources is an integral part of the Obama plan.

As others have pointed out elsewhere in the comments, Gore is not a one-issue thinker. It's entirely possible that Gore supports Obama on other issues, and that he sees that Obama is in a better position to win delegates than Edwards, whose campaign is finished if he fails to win Iowa. Obama at least has the leeway to come in second in Iowa and stay in the race. It's also possible that Gore's endorsement would be conditional, giving Al major influence in shaping environmental policy in an Obama administration. Maybe Obama could promise to make Gore the Secretary Of Energy or the head of the EPA.

My question as follows. I suspect there are an awful lot of people on MyDD and elsewhere who are currently supporting Edwards but would vote for Gore if he ran. Would Gore's endorsement of Obama make you consider moving away from Edwards? I'd ask the same question of Obama supporters. If Gore endorses Edwards, would you switch camps?

by HatchInBrooklyn on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 09:12:12 AM EST

Reagan's Rule Rules (none / 0)

A Gore endorsement would not affect the race.

Further, should Gore again endorse a losing candidate, the prestige of his brand would again suffer, just as it did in 2004.

I think that an ex- President or VP should follow the Reagan rule: make no primary endorsement, and endorse whomever the party nominates for the general.


by BigBoyBlue on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 10:23:56 AM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

1) I don't know if this means anything, but the recent poll analyzing the impact of Gore entering the race (which he won't) showed that he takes a bigger chunk of Obama voters than Clinton or Edwards.  That MIGHT be some sign of overlap between Obama people and Gore people generally, and indicative that Obama would be the most appealing of the 3 main contenders to Gore himself (as he apparently is to Gore supporters).  I would be in that group, as an Obama supporter who would likely vote for Gore if he did toss his hat in the ring.

2) He's not going to endorse HRC.  The split with the Clintons re 2000 electoral strategy is well-documented.  They think he would have won if he embraced the Clinton record more, he thinks he would have won if not for the lingering scandal fatigue (remember the joke - Bill Clinton could drive through a carwah in a convertible, and Al Gore would get wet).

3) John Edwards has been the most ardent economic populist (at least in rhetoric) on the campaign trail, and that's not consistent with Gore's worldview.  That plus the war vote might be too much for Edwards to overcome and get the endorsement (since all of the candidates are acceptable on environmental issues, IMHO).  I'm also doubtful that Gore wants to have the optics of endorsing the only fellow "Southern white guy" in the race.

4) Obama is the only major candidate who was against the Iraq war, pointedly saying he was against "stupid" wars.  That is consistent with the mindset Gore lays out in "The Assault on Reason," which is a damned good book.  I also think (and admit my possible bias) that Obama is the candidate who is running on "reason" the most (civility and less inflammatory rhetoric fit the "reason" model).

5) I think that it's equally (or maybe more) likely that Gore makes a "second tier" endorsement that gives more traction to someone that Gore thinks deserves a more prominent platform to be heard from.  That way, he's not tarred as a "kiss of death" or choosing sides between the more likely nominees.  As has been mentioned, Dodd and his CO2 tax look like the natural option here.

I think Gore is likely deating between Dood, Obama, and no endorsement (in that order of likelihood).


by NC State Dem on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 11:15:10 AM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

Gore will endorse Obama- not because of ideology but because Gore sees Obama as the new face of American Politics. Gore sees Obama as the candidate that embodies the American dream.

Gore wants to go in history as endorsing the first major Black candidate for the Presidency of the US.


by nkpolitics on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:24:34 PM EST
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Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

I am predicting that Al Gore is going to endorse Barack Obama for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination.

When Gore endorsed Dean in 2004- He saw Dean as the future of the Democratic Party.

Gore sees Obama as a new face in American politics and the American dream. A guy being born in a Interracial marriage- A Black Muslim Father and a White Christian mother. Being raised in a foriegn country- Indonesia. Being a Harvard Law School Graduate,Community Organizer, being getting elected to politics.

Gore sees Obama as the candidate of Hope and Dreams. Obama bridges the divisions in this country and around the world.


by nkpolitics on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 12:17:27 PM EST

Re: Gore Will Likely Endorse in Democratic Primary (none / 0)

i dont think the environment will be the be all and end all of a Gore endorsement


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 01:12:39 PM EST

Barack Obama (none / 0)

is the candidate who visited Gore...msnbc firstread


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:22:22 PM EST


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