Clinton's Crime Crowd

It's after 8 pm here on the East Coast -- let's go ahead and wind down the Labor Day truce, shall we?

Quick on the heels of the surrender last week of Clinton high-dollar bundler and 15-year fugitive from justice Norman Hsu comes
news today -- on the front page of the Washington Post, no less -- that yet another of Hillary Clinton's big money men has a hard
time "playing by the rules," as the Clintons like to say:

Sant S. Chatwal, an Indian American businessman, has helped raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton's campaigns, even as he battled governments on two continents to escape bankruptcy and millions of dollars in tax liens.

The founder of the Bombay Palace restaurant chain, Chatwal is one of a growing number of fundraisers in the 2008 presidential
campaign whose backgrounds have prompted questions about how much screening the candidates devote to their "bundlers" while
they press to raise record amounts.

Chatwal's case reached from his native India to New York City. The IRS pursued him for approximately $4 million in unpaid business
taxes, while New York state placed a lien seeking more than $5 million in taxes. He forfeited a building to New York City on which he
was delinquent on property taxes and was sued by federal regulators seeking to recoup millions of dollars in loans from a failed bank
where he served as a director.

But there's more:

Across the ocean, three Indian banks forced him into U.S. bankruptcy, and he was charged with bank fraud. He was out on bond
when he showed up in India in 2001 during a visit by his longtime friend Bill Clinton.

Apparently all of this was -- and remains -- A-OK with the Clinton campaign:

Yet none of the legal and financial woes -- occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political
opponents -- raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fundraising operation. Chatwal recently said he plans to help raise $5 million
from Indian Americans for Clinton's presidential bid.

Asked whether anything in Chatwal's background caused concerns about his activities on behalf of the campaign, Clinton spokesman
Phil Singer answered, "No." He declined last week to be more specific, saying only that major fundraisers are routinely vetted "through
publicly available records."

Rajen Anand, a longtime friend of Chatwal and another Clinton fundraiser, said the campaign encourages strict vetting for fundraisers.
"They advise me to be very careful not to associate the campaign with people where there is something wrong," he said.

Of course, Chatwal is an F.O.B. & H., so -- "Nothing to see here":

Anand said, however, that Chatwal may have slid through any vetting, no matter how vigorous, because of his longtime friendship
with the Clintons. The Clintons maintained a close association with Chatwal; both attended one of his sons' weddings in 2002, and
the former president attended another son's wedding in 2006.

Isn't this the same Hillary Clinton who's been telling Democratic voters for months that one of the main reasons she's the strongest,
safest candidate is that she's been thoroughly vetted and inoculated, that...

because she's been in the public eye for so long

because she's been thoroughly vetted over the course of multiple campaigns

because everyone, Republicans included, already knows everything there is to know about her

...that, because of all this, Democratic voters can breathe easily with her? Isn't this the same Hillary Clinton who's been telling Democrats
that, because of all this, her negatives can only go down? Isn't this the same Hillary Clinton who's been telling Democrats that, because
of all this, no unwelcome suprises -- surprises with the potential to derail her candidacy -- lurk just around the corner?

Well, then, what about Sant Chatwal? What about Norman Hsu? In the last week alone, we've learned, with these two -- and we've
learned it not from the Clinton campaign, mind you, but from the press -- of two criminals at the highest levels of the Clinton
money operation.

Clinton's assurances obviously account for S-Q-U-A-T.

Indeed, does anyone honestly believe there's not more of this bullshit just waiting in the wings? Does anyone honestly believe
that the post-Gary Hart press, for all its faults, will not find it over the next 14 months?

Reality check: Hillary Clinton is a seriously flawed, seriously compromised, and -- for Democrats seeking to make a wise
decision as to who will put us in the strongest, safest position in November 2008 -- seriously vulnerable and
seriously unpredictable candidate.

What else has not been "vetted"? What else is she not telling us?

Full article.



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Re: Clinton's Crime Crowd (none / 0)

This article is the same old manufactured crap. Whether this guy has problem or not, he has settled his case, so what's the controversy?

Obama and his supporters seem to be obsessed with attacking American indians. They need to be very careful.

This guy has no appeal among hispanics, and he's now using his supporters to bash other minority groups.  

A uniter?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:43:26 PM EST

Re: Clinton's Crime Crowd (none / 0)

Read the diary. I make no issue -- none -- of the fact that Chatwal is Indian-American.


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:50:49 PM EST
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American Indians?  Like Native American Indians?  I think you may have misread the piece.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:43:36 AM EST
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I really don't think (2.00 / 1)

Obama or Edwards want to be casting those stones.


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:43:44 PM EST

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BTW,

You don't give a link to the article since you conveniently omit some stuff in the same article.


Former senator John Edwards (D-N.C.) faced such questions last week when federal prosecutors in Michigan indicted Geoffrey Fieger, the lawyer famous for defending assisted-suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian, accusing him of channeling $127,000 in illegal contributions into Edwards's 2004 presidential campaign. Edwards's aides said, and prosecutors confirmed, that the activity was concealed from Edwards and that the candidate cooperated once he learned of problems.
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Similarly, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) gave to charity more than $30,000 in donations from Illinois fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko and his associates after Rezko was indicted in a federal corruption case. "We do our best to go through the hundreds of thousands of people who give to make sure there aren't problems," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said. "I wouldn't say it's a perfect process, but we are as vigilant as possible."
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Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:46:24 PM EST

Re: Clinton's Crime Crowd (2.00 / 3)

That was an interesting omission, wasn't it? Of course, the diarist also failed to mention that Obama also took money from Hsu.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:50:23 PM EST
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Lets face it. There's no question these 'bundlers' are not just your average 'joe'. They have their own agenda and some may have shady history.

But it's just laughable to assume Edwards/Obama's money men are cleaner than Clinton's... This sort of political game is getting tiresome.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:54:05 PM EST
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Hsu had contributed a total of $7,000 to Obama's committees -- all of which has been donated to charity.

Hsu is into the Clintons for millions.


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:03:24 PM EST
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Well then, (2.00 / 1)

Hsu is into the Clintons for millions.

You need to do some serious research and give us the detailed list. I can think of no venue that would be more suited to having an impact in breaking such detailed research. You could start at the FEC - it's the "go to" place for Federal campaign contribution reporting.


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by Michael Bersin on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:12:30 PM EST
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Correction (none / 0)

Should have said "more than a million," as the Wall Street Journal reports.


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:08:26 PM EST
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Re: Correction (2.00 / 1)

You're batting average stinks - the WSJ doesn't say he's into the Clinton for more than a million.  It says all Dems, including the DSCC and DCCC, Obama, Boxer, Matsui, Feinstein etc.  You're leaving me with no choice except to think you're being intentionally dishonest.

The Paws, Mr. Hsu and other associates collectively donated nearly $1 million to an array of candidates the past few years, including the presidential campaign of Mrs. Clinton.

That's directly from your source article. Try another correction.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 12:48:38 AM EST
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Re: Correction (none / 0)

From the article:

Mr. Hsu raised more than $1 million for Mrs. Clinton's campaign and has been
a major rainmaker for various Democratic candidates and causes.


by horizonr on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:59:43 AM EST
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You're absolutely right, the article does in fact say that - my apologies.  However, it also contradicts itself, because it also says this:

The Paws, Mr. Hsu and other associates collectively donated nearly $1 million to an array of candidates the past few years, including the presidential campaign of Mrs. Clinton.

The emphasis is mine.

Then, a few paragraphs later, it says this, which you quoted above:

Mr. Hsu raised more than $1 million for Mrs. Clinton's campaign and has been a major rainmaker for various Democratic candidates and causes.

Those two statements are completely incompatible - they can't both be true. The first says Hsu raised neraly a million for many candidates, and the second says he raised more than a million for Clinton alone - Which is it, WSJ?

The Boston Globe says this:

Other Democrats, including US Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, are also donating to charity money from Hsu or returning the donations. Federal Election Commission records show that Hsu has donated $260,000 to Democratic Party groups and federal candidates since 2004.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/poli ticalintelligence/2007/08/clinton_says_s h.html

I can't tell what the actual amount is from the WSJ story, but I do know that Hsu raised money for any number of prominent Democrats all over the country, including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, Ted Kennedy, Dianne Feinstien, Barbara Boxer and Barack Obama, among others. It is still ridiculous to call Hillary Clinton on this and give the others a free pass.  If Hillary Clinton is a criminal conspirator for accepting money from him directly (which she and the others gave back or donated to charity), why isn't everyone else?  Do these ethical rules apply only to Hillary?


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 12:47:46 PM EST
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Hsu had contributed a total of $7,000 to Obama's committees -- all of which has been donated to charity.

Hsu is into the Clintons for millions.

Wrong.  He has not donated "millions" to the Clintons = that doesn't even make any sense. He donated $22,300. all of which has been donated to charity.  Hsu raised an additional $100,000 for Hillary Clinton from other sources - not his or his family's money. Where are the rest of those millions, horizonr?  Surely, you aren't being deliberately deceptive. $23,000 is a long, long, long way from the millions that you're claiming.

Also, Hsu donated to Boxer, Feinstein and the DSCC, which got more money from him than any single candidate.  This looks a little different when people have the actual information.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:35:56 PM EST
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The link is at the end of the diary.

Chatwal and Hsu are into the Clintons for millions each. Rezko's previous "interest"
in Obama -- most of which has been returned -- was well under $150K.


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:00:42 PM EST
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Again, completely wrong.  Are you just making this stuff up now?  I'll be more than happy to retract these words if you can provide any evidence at all that that either Hsu or Chatwal are into the Clinton for "millions" each. The article you linked to certainly doesn't say anything like that, not even hint at it.  It does say that Chatwal has "plans" to raise $5 million for Hillary, meaning that it hasn't happened.  Nor is it likely to happen.

My point is that the candidates can't possible be expected to know the details of each of these bundlers.  Things will get missed.  Edwards, Clinton and Obama have each had this problem.  What's important is how they handle it once they are made aware of it, and each of them did the right thing, in each case; either give it to charity or give it back.

You're being deliberately disingenuous with your "million" comment while trying to pretend that Hillary Clinton is some sort of criminal conspirator.  It's shameful.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:47:22 PM EST
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Geoffrey Fieger was indicted?  That man is a stain on the Democratic Party.

I'm not surprised he was an Edwards supporter, I guess, since he's a trial lawyer too.  But I wouldn't want Fieger within a million miles of my campaign, personally.  Ugh.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:50:15 AM EST
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A few months later the FDIC abruptly settled the case, agreeing on Dec. 18, 2000, to let Chatwal pay $125,000 for the loans that it had said caused at least $12 million in losses.

Greene, Chatwal's lawyer, said he believed that the actual losses caused by the loans were smaller but agreed that the bankruptcy resulted in a much smaller settlement. "He fully intended to pay the bank until the Indian banks involuntarily forced him into bankruptcy," Greene said.
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Just as Chatwal's U.S. cases were being resolved, Indian authorities in December 2000 charged him with bank fraud. On April 30, 2001, he appeared in a Mumbai court and posted a $32,000 bond, according to court officials there. Chatwal was not under travel restrictions, though, and he went back to New York.
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Eventually, Indian authorities "discharged" Chatwal from the bank case and closed the matter, Greene said.
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While Chatwal raised money for Hillary Clinton's Senate and presidential campaigns and Bill Clinton's charitable efforts, he settled the regulatory and tax cases one by one, mostly by working out plans to pay portions of the debts. He resolved the last of them this spring.

"The man came to this country, accumulated an empire, lost it during the time of real estate [softness], and has struggled and worked to try to pay off his debts," said A. Mitchell Greene, Chatwal's lawyer for 25 years. "It has been a long battle, but he has cleared up all of his obligations, and in the process he is trying to accumulate his wealth again."


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:50:03 PM EST

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This sounds like oppo research, my guess provided by Republicans, to depress Democratic support for Hillary by linking her with China and India.  


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:53:13 PM EST
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And Obama seems to be happy to play this sort of race baiting game. I'm wondering how hispanics will react to his candidacy after learning his game plan.

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/t hread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&thr eadid=114255#115013

Asian-Americans angry at GOP focus on Hsu


An Asian-American civil rights group and the lawyer for embattled Hillary Clinton fundraiser Norman Hsu responded sharply Thursday to Republican efforts to link the case to scandals involving other Asian-American donors to Bill Clinton more than a decade ago.

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But the executive director of the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund in New York, Margaret Fung, sharply criticized the RNC document, after being shown it by a reporter.

"It links Norman Hsu and the Paw family to other Asian-American donors in previous campaigns, solely because of their race. It insinuates that Asian-Americans are more prone to making improper donations and have been doing this for years. What is this obsession with Asian-American donors?" she asked, adding that she had no information on Hsu's specific guilt or innocence. "Does this fit into a broader political strategy of stirring up anti-immigrant sentiments?"

An official at the Asian American Justice Center in Washington, Terry Ao, declined to comment specifically on the RNC documents.

"Mr. Hsu should be held accountable to the extent that he has engaged in any illegal fundraising activities and to the extent that he has outstanding legal issues to address," he said.

"However, we hope that the attention to this matter remain focused on the facts specific to the situation and does not veer into wild speculations due to his ethnic identity."

It's sad that Obama himself a minority, will encourage his supporters to play this sort of game.

Remember the last incident?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:58:12 PM EST
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I don't think Obama has done that.


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:02:07 PM EST
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Thank you.


"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
by This Machine Kills Fascists on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 02:07:02 PM EST
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Did you guys even stop and read that article . Washington Post has really gone into the sewer with this one .

Where was the crime , Horizonr ?


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:01:45 PM EST
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Yeah, I read it. (none / 0)

No kidding.  No crime. Just wildly speculative allusions.


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:03:00 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, I read it. (none / 0)

Just some guy invloved with bankruptcy issues who actually paid everything he owed.

I know a lot of people with bankruptcy issues and tax issue that doesn't make them criminals.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:05:44 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, I read it. (none / 0)

extremely shady Washington post article. You have to wonder whether these reporters are on xxx's payroll.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:07:03 PM EST
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Can you read?

"...The IRS pursued him for approximately $4 million in unpaid business taxes, while New York state
placed a lien seeking more than $5 million in taxes. He forfeited a building to New York City on which
he was delinquent on property taxes and was sued by federal regulators seeking to recoup millions
of dollars in loans from a failed bank where he served as a director.

"Across the ocean, three Indian banks forced him into U.S. bankruptcy, and he was charged with
bank fraud. He was out on bond when he showed up in India in 2001 during a visit by his longtime
friend Bill Clinton."


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:30:07 PM EST
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It seems you have no idea what you are writing , i would try and not lose my nerve with you , but believe me its hard to do with the " title of your diary " which is absurd and inappropriate ,

The IRS pursued him for approximately $4 million in unpaid business taxes,

- The IRS pursue people everyday for unpaid business taxes , some of them negotiate away the taxes , some do other things , that doesn't make it a crime . You should know better.

while New York state
placed a lien seeking more than $5 million in taxes

- do you know what placing a lien means , where is the crime ?

He forfeited a building to New York City on which
he was delinquent on property taxes and was sued by federal regulators seeking to recoup millions
of dollars in loans from a failed bank where he served as a director

- Where the hell is the crime there . If you default on a mortgage and your house is seized are you a criminal ?

Across the ocean, three Indian banks forced him into U.S. bankruptcy ?

- Again since when did being forced into bankruptcy become a crime or make you a criminal.

he was charged with
bank fraud. He was out on bond when he showed up in India in 2001 during a visit by his longtime
friend Bill Clinton."

- Do you know the difference between being charged and being convicted of a crime.

Look Horizonr , you are acting like you need things to be explained to you , I hope you are just blinded by partisanship not the other way around.

This guy actually paid all his debts.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:40:20 PM EST
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If you cannot see the ethical problem here, I feel sorry for you and your candidate.


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:16:33 PM EST
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Finally you say its ethical and not criminal.

I applaud you for that , I suspect that was the intention of the crappy article . To put out the feeling that there is an ethical issue with Hillary Clinton , isee they succeeded with you.

No i don't see anything unethical there , unless you are suggesting that anyone that has worked to settle all his financial issues is not allowed to donate to a campaign of his/her choice.

Now that you have admitted it is ethical and not criminal , it will be unreasonable to leave the title the way it is because it is very offensive. You can make any point you want to make without such a title.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:22:25 PM EST
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You do not have federal and state tax authorities and bank regulators chasing you, suing you, and
charging you with respect to several million dollars worth of tax evasion/delinquency and bank fraud,
if your ethical problems are not -- at the very least -- at the border and threshold of criminal intent.

I stand by the title.


by horizonr on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:58:16 PM EST
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I feel sorry for all Hillary supporters..im sure she has more bundlers like those 2.

The FBI has opened an investigation on Hsue and the Paw family...Not good for Hillary if that money was laundered or coming from China.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 05:10:54 AM EST
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Another Clinton bundler in the news..what a surprise?!...If you can raise thousands of dollar , you can be an Hillraiser even if you have a criminal history of fraud etc etc.


by JaeHood on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:59:30 PM EST

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what criminal history? Why are you making stuff uP?


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:59:09 PM EST
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I hope 'American1989' will have the chance to read this diary. This is the second example Obama and his supporters are playing this 'American Indians' game.

I frankly don't believe Obama will have any appeal among other minority groups...


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:05:34 PM EST

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This is about fraudster , not race...


by JaeHood on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:08:31 PM EST
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what fraud? There's no crime, everything has been settled. Don't kid ourselves what sort of game you guys are playing. Inuendo about another 'shady' business man with foreign name. This is not the first time this game has been played. Last time, Obama had to apologize for it.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:10:45 PM EST
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I don't think ths is the Obama camp.  I think it is Republicans.  There's no evidence to accuse Obama.


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:14:06 PM EST
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I referred to this diarist.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:16:32 PM EST
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No surprise here John Solomon wrote the piece , this guy has no journalistic integrity .

This guy has consistently written crap about Democrats just based on Innuendo , nothing else.

So Horizonr before you start pushing this none story , let me show you a list of the bull crap this guy has written about dems ,

" Splitting Hairs, Edwards's Stylist Tells His Side of Story "

" Clintons Dissolve Blind Financial Trust (June 15, 2007)"

Largess To Clintons Lands CEO In Lawsuit (May 26, 2007)

Hedge-Fund Ties Help Edwards Campaign (April 23, 2007)

The Rezko story too .

Everything is always innuendo like this story . There was no crime here and this guy even paid what was his due , everything and yet he still wrote the story.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:28:33 PM EST
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Hillary (none / 0)

helped stop Obama's ethics bill - she refuses to do anything above the minimum required by law in this campaign, and now we are seeing why the law is failed.  Clinton/Bush inside the beltway fundraising is failing our nation.  And what is she going to do about it?  Work "within the system" with "real people" to provide "change"

No we'll get the best ethics reform money can buy with Clinton.

Her whole staff will be made up of former lobbyists, just look at what Bill Clinton's staff is doing today - 'Law' firms and lobbyists... These are the 'experienced' people she'll bring back to sell out our nation.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:18:13 AM EST

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Has anyone heard about the FBI pursuing Hsue and the Paw Family?...Im hearing the FBI has opened a case concerning the money the Paws donated to Clinton.

Im afraid that Bush may use the FBI as a political arm to uncover the Clinton dirty blood money and save the findings for the GE if Hillary is the nominee and release it for maximum impact.

If they find anything bad , i hope they'll release it now instead of waiting to see if Clinton wil be the nominee.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 05:21:47 AM EST

You study the tactics of the great masters... (none / 0)

Did you know that Helen Gahagan Douglas was found to have voted with Vito Marcantonio?


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by Michael Bersin on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 08:45:01 AM EST

The problem with the Hsu line of attack (none / 0)

The problem with the Hsu line of attack is that their are plenty of other Democrats who have taken money from him.  Obama is included on this list.  So for the most part I think many in the party will want to not talk about it.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:09:55 AM EST

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This Hsu nonsense has to cease. The dude gave money to all kinds of campaigns. You cannot with any actual reasoning blame this on Hillary at all.

Now you dredge (or is that Drudge) up this Chatwal nonsense and try to lay it at Hillary's doorstep. And "post Gary Hart press" ???

This is a lame hit piece. Your support sounds desperate.


by DoIT on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:15:18 AM EST

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It obviously doesn't bother you that Hillary Clinton actively cultivates these kinds of associations at the top of her money operation.

Perhaps it would bother you if this sort of information started coming out every 2-3 weeks? Perhaps you would regret not having heeded
the de facto warnings embedded in these revelations, should Clinton become the nominee, only to have a huge scandal break next summer?

The real point of the diary -- as I make very clear in the sections following the article excerpts -- is that Hillary Clinton has repeatedly assured
Democrats that this is precisely the kind of thing we don't have to worry about with her; that every hint of scandal is based on things that
happened in the distant past and long since have been pundit-ed to death.

But the problem here is not even so much Hsu and Chatwal per se. It's the Clintons -- the "all back channels lead to the Clintons" Clintons --
insulting Democrats and the American electorate in general, by saying: "Gosh, we were as shocked as anybody." It's the Clinton campaign
feigning similar ignorance, saying: "We vet all of our major fundraisers by reading the papers -- and we didn't see anything in the papers."

Come on. Hsu had pledged to raise at least $100K for Clinton's campaign. Bill Clinton attended the weddings of two of Chatwal's sons --
once, accompanied by Hillary. Hsu and Chatwal are in the papers in the first place, because they're already connected to the Clintons.
And they didn't get their invitations to the Clintons' inner circle because Bill and Hill read about them in the New York Times -- that's
not how these things work.

Were -- and are -- the Clintons themselves unaware of every detail of Hsu's and Chatwal's financial misdealings? Probably. People at
the top tend to maintain a certain "don't ask, don't tell" policy about these things -- it insulates them from any wrongdoing below.

But people like the Clintons also have gatekeepers, and it is each gatekeeper's job to know every detail. As information comes in
about those seeking access -- and new information is coming in all the time -- each Clinton gatekeeper opens his/her door a little
or a lot, based on the Clintons' now-legendary instructions -- instructions that explain why no one is surprised to see that it is
Hsu's and Chatwal's photos with the Clintons (and not any other politicians) that accompany these articles:

1
Define "ethical behavior" as broadly as possible.

2
Define "illegal behavior" as narrowly as possible.

3
Let the money flow.

Of course, the Clintons didn't write these rules -- the system did. But that's just the problem. The Clintons have always
embraced the system.

Hillary Clinton wants you to believe that makes her a safer bet -- both as a candidate and as a president.

Trust me, that's a bad bet.


by horizonr on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:41:07 PM EST
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