Electability On The Right

In their apparent on-going mission to will a Clinton nomination into being (see also Rove, Karl) Republicans continue to define electability as "best able to defeat Hillary Clinton."

If you watched the petulant Mary Matalin on Meet The Press yesterday, you heard her advocate on behalf of her candidate, Fred Thompson, as follows:

The main superior rationale [for voting for Fred Thompson] is that he'll be better in the general election, he's better than any of these guys against Hillary, he's not afraid of Hillary, he's a better politician than her [sic] and he'll get more blue states.

Putting aside for a moment the fact that Matalin didn't appear for a second to believe the spin she was spouting, nor did she provide any evidence for these claims, it is interesting that Republicans are using a candidate's perceived ability to win in the general as the number one reason to support him. They know that half of what Elizabeth Edwards said in Time Magazine is true:

"Their nominee won't energize them, Bush won't...

And they're desperately hoping the other half is:

...but Hillary as the nominee will.

The problem for Matalin is that Republican voters tend to see who is most electable quite differently.

The latest Diageo/Hotline poll finds that while 27% of Republicans support Giuliani for the nomination, 38% see him as the candidate with "the best chance of beating the Democratic nominee" and a full 42% see Giuliani as the candidate with "the best chance to beat Hillary Clinton."  And the case that Mike Huckabee makes for his own candidacy, again, against Hillary Clinton, perhaps best illuminates why this is: Giuliani is seen as Democratic-lite.

"Quite frankly, Americans are going to look at a contest where there's contrast. That's what I bring to the race, someone who can contrast in terms of philosophy and record, but also who's going to be able to challenge her on key fundamental issues like education and health care," Huckabee said.  [...]

"Hillary is a strong, strong candidate, much stronger than a lot of Republicans want to accept," Huckabee said. "But the reality is that if we put someone up whose views on some of the issues that rally our base don't rally our base, then we're going to be in big trouble."

What Huckabee is doing, of course, is reframing electability altogether not as an electoral calculation but rather as a battle of ideas, echoing the strategy of contrast that the left has urged our politicians to embrace. Huckabee seems to have learned an important lesson from the Kerry campaign of 2004: that while defining electability as perceived electoral strength AGAINST another candidate may be a proven path to the nomination, it's also a proven loser in the general.

So which strategy will ultimately win the Republican nomination? If the Diageo/Hotline poll is an accurate gauge of the mood of the Republican electorate, Huckabee may be on to something. When asked why they are supporting the candidate they do, 47% said because they agree with him on the issues, while only 16% said because he has the best chance in the general election. And certainly Huckabee's campaign model is already paying dividends for him against Giuliani in Iowa and to a lesser extent in New Hampshire and South Carolina. But the fact that the pundit class sees the best argument for a candidate as the ability to change the map and take blue states (see Matalin; see also concern troll Dave G at Race42008,) demonstrates not only that they are on the defensive, but also is an acknowledgement that their base has no confidence that a battle of ideas will actually be a winner for them in 2008 (duh) and in fact that their base has virtually already conceded defeat.



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A single-minded fixation on beating Bush at all costs led us to nominate a rather uninspiring candidate in 2004.

I can only hope the Republican obsession with Hillary leads them to make a similar mistake.

One thing is clear: the Republicans are hardly cocky about being able to defeat Hillary.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking something.  They're quite worried.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 05:49:30 PM EST

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The repubs all want Hillary for 3 reasons...

1. She gives them some hope of winning the the whitehouse again even though thier candidates are so bad it's hard for any observer to see any Dem not picking up a couple of % more than Kerry got.

2. Thier is virtually no doubt that the GOP will do much better in down ballot races with Hillary at the top our ticket. We still will probably pick up seats but Hillary will be the worst for "coattails" purposes becuase she will reve up the GOP base like no other.

3. She will be by far the most conservative on issues and the most hawkish Iraq, but yet she is so polarizing she gives the best hope for a GOP resurgance in 2010 and 2012. Hillary to them is the best in a terrable situation, for us she is the worst in a great situation for our party.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 06:07:43 PM EST

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Careful what you wish for GOP...

Hillary has already shown that she is an incredible campaigner... I think her negatives will melt away as the campaign progresses (assuming she is the candidate).  I don't think that she will hurt any down ticket democrats at all...

I have no love for Hillary, but her favorability has nowhere to go but up!  She's doing a very good job so far.  I think everyone underestimates her potential likability.

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:18:31 PM EST
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2. Thier is virtually no doubt that the GOP will do much better in down ballot races with Hillary at the top our ticket. We still will probably pick up seats but Hillary will be the worst for "coattails" purposes becuase she will reve up the GOP base like no other.

Again, even at the state level, nothing fails like a miserable failure.
543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:21:33 PM EST
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  I have changed my mind about one thing, Hillary will probably win the general election. I find it to be almost impossable to believe any of the gop candidates can win in this enviornment.  


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 06:11:57 PM EST

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Nothing fails like a miserable failure.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:19:13 PM EST
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And what happens if Hillary isn't the nominee?

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:19:08 PM EST

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If Hillary is not the nominee, poor GOP, especially if it is Edwards.


by Boilermaker on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:14:50 PM EST
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Hillary is the frontrunner, so it makes sense that they gauge their chance for success against the frontrunner.  That said, the Repubs however have this residual element of fear because of the Clinton name.  She didn't take shit from them as First Lady, and Bill was able to shut down the gov't to Newt Gingrich's chagrin.  Not to mention that be beat the impeachment rap.  All these things make the Repubs nervous.  I really don't believe that they want Hillary to win the nomination, but the polls tell them that they need to be prepared.


by Kingstongirl on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 09:21:01 PM EST

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I think some people underestimate the degree to which Republicans simply need to appear confident about the prospect of taking on the Democratic frontrunner.

Karl Rove was oozing confidence before the 2006 election and he got his clock cleaned.  Aren't we through with being worried just because Karl Rove claims to be confident?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 01:24:57 AM EST
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Rudy is seen as Democraatic-lite?
I have the feeling that someday, the Lord willing, we will have Republicans secretly lamenting that "if people want Deomcratic policies, they'll elect Democrats. They won't elect 'big-hearted Republicans.'"
Too bad, because at one time, I wanted to be a big-hearted Republican.
by spirowasright on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:29:53 PM EST

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Democrats generally would be wise to clip a report of the Michigan-Appalachian State game and stick it on the refrigerator.

Hubris kills.


by drlimerick on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 10:41:28 PM EST


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