Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move

I don't mean to be crass, I do not mean to denigrate campaign finance law, but there is simply no way I could support John Edwards based on his decision to accept public financing, thus placing a cap on the overall amount of money he can spend before the Democratic Convention in late August. And frankly I might actually go further and say that I'd have a problem with him winning the nomination at this point.

Let me first say that I truly believe that Edwards has had a profoundly positive impact on the race for the Democratic nomination. He has been a leader on a wide range of issues and has set the stage for the debate over how to achieve universal healthcare coverage (rather than whether or not to pursue such a plan). So to be clear, these sentiments are not a reflection on Edwards' politics, policies or personality but rather of the strategic choice of his campaign -- a strategic choice that while increasing Edwards' likelihood of success in the primary election by putting him closer to par with the Clinton and Obama in terms of available cash would likely hamper his campaign in the period between clinching the nomination and actually receiving the nomination, a key period of time in the election. (As Todd notes, the campaign is portraying this not as a strategic decision but a principled one that stems directly from his calls to improve the political process in Washington and not to accept contributions from federal lobbyists.)

I simply do not believe that the Democrats can afford to give up on one of the greatest advantages they have going into the 2008 presidential election -- fundraising. By accepting public financing Edwards is limiting the amount of money he can spend pre-Democratic convention to $45 million. That's right, just $45 million through the end of September, a period of time during which the Republican nominee may be spending quite freely (assuming John McCain, who is also accepting public financing in the primary, isn't nominated). Considering, too, that Edwards has already spent several million dollars towards that $45 million mark, that's leaves relatively small amount of money to be spread across 11 months.

Money doesn't mean everything in politics. And even though it's extremely important, there is the potential that contributions to the Democratic National Committee could make up for at least part of the deficit a Democratic nominee accepting public financing in the primary would have against a Republican nominee not accepting public financing in the primary. What's more, Edwards is not pledging to accept public financing in the general election, a move that I would oppose. But this is still a risky proposal -- particularly considering that odds are that a Democratic nominee free of fundraising restrictions would be able to raise significantly more than his or her Republican counterpart. It's so risky, in fact, that it's not one I think is worth taking on, even considering my deep respect for Edwards.



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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (1.33 / 3)

Yeahhhhhhh! I want to scream.... His 'moral' spin on this horrific decision makes me want to throw up.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:16:37 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

I think one can make a choice that is at the same time strategic and based on a core belief -- even if that choice is rooted in one more than the other.


My Direct Democracy
by Jonathan Singer on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:22:25 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Yes, you can. But the sad part is he just denounced public financing a few months ago:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/ 2007-02-05-edwards-money_x.htm

WASHINGTON -- Democrat John Edwards on Monday joined New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in saying he will not use public money for the presidential primary campaign or, if he wins his party's nomination, for the general election.
The move by the former North Carolina senator is the latest sign of trouble for the public campaign funding system, created after the Watergate scandal to set limits and disclosure rules on contributions to presidential campaigns.

Edwards said in an interview that he expects major candidates in both parties to raise unlimited private dollars rather than participate in the public system. He said he needs to do the same "to have the funds to be competitive."

Edwards plans to start soliciting contributions for the general election soon, spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said. Clinton has been raising money for both the primary and general elections since she got into the race last month

Yes, you can always change your mind based on new information. But my God, based on this rate, Edwards is on par with flip flopper Romney. He changed his mind on war vote, he changed his mind on his 2004 healthcare plan, he changed his mind on free trade, he changed his mind on gay issue, he is starting to change his mind on 'residual troops' over the past two weeks....

What kind of core value does he really have? Is there anything he won't change in a heartbeat?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:26:51 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Do you have to emphasize three paragraphs to make a point? It was amusing to me to compare writing styles among Hillary supporters for awhile.

But now it's getting old and it's hurting my eyes.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:38:00 AM EST
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The Republicans (2.00 / 4)

have lots of money.

Progressive blogosphere, my ass.


by TomP on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:44:25 AM EST
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What this shows to me (2.00 / 5)

is that there is too much fear here to crash gates.

Your views are your own, but your fear ensures your ultimate irrelevance.

People can get this fear in the New Republic or the New York Times.

The rich buy candidates, and you complain when one actually uses public financing. $$$$$$

Winning as a sport is what I see. Change is secondary.

No thanks, Mr. Singer.

I'll pass on your punditry.

Some do; others talk about doing.


by TomP on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:51:07 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

This comment is unneccessary.

Johnathan, you are on the same wave length as kos.  But you broke it down to straight specifics.  This is risky.  Meaning, the GOP will hammer you and there is no response.

I don't think a moral compass was in this decision.  It was strategic.  I believe his Q3 numbers were going to be bad, to be blunt.  So, to offset that, the campaign decided this route.  Now, it does appease his intial supporters, but if he does get the nomination, all that you wrote above is valid.

But I believe this is a damned if you do or damned if you don't decision.

I respect Edwards, immensely, and glad he has money for the primary, but this is risky.


by iamready on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:13:10 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

I think this is a brilliant strategy.  I can't believe that people are so horrified.

There are obscene amounts of money being raised.  
Obama is being worn out trying to raise money and be a senator and campaign properly.
Hillary is being revealed for the corporate shill she really is.

He has just co-opted the money agenda.  And it fits his strategy in cleaning up politics.
Also this is a surprise.  It was for me.  I was stunned for about half an hour.

Then I saw all the whining and dumping on him and realized what a strategic move he just made.

He keeps the other campaigns off balance.  Edwards is running the campaign he wants.

I am so surprised that the FP bloggers are so dense about this.

He is using his money effectively which he did in his last campaign.  
People forgot the lesson of Dean.  The most money does not necessarily win.  

I want the smartest and more astute person to win the nomination.  
We will have a landslide with Edwards on top of the ticket.  
(and I would like Obama with him to learn his thinking.)


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:19:43 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

What's interesting is bloggers writing about Edwards low donations - when those same bloggers have created and/or circulated anti-Edwards videos and diaries.
I've asked around and no one seems to know any Edwards supporters who've created mocking videos of Obama and Hillary. And so proud to be on the Edwards' team.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:20:24 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

then vote Obama, you get the best of both worlds, an ability to compete without being a warmonger.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:50:59 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Yes - vote for Obama who endorsed warmonger Lieberman for another term - and told the good people of Connecticut that he sure hoped they had the good sense to re-elect Lieberman.
How's Obama's good sense working out?
How about another Kyl-Lieberman bill?  WooHoo!

"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connect icut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_s tate_democrats_throws_support_behind_lie berman


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:26:02 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Yes, vote Obama and learn how to not take a stand on anything and use rockstar status to raise money, which you are too scared to use to attack the frontrunner to move up.

No Thanks!!! The more I see, the more I believe if Edwards doesn't get the nomination I will be using the write-in spot on my ballot for President. One way or another, I am voting for Progressive change next year, not DINOism or cowardice!!


by RDemocrat on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:22:44 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 5)

Someone has to take a stand in this election and represent the actual Democratic party. I applaud Edwards for this decision..


by Freaky Thirsty on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:23:32 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 4)

There's a difference between arms control and unilateral disarmament.  Edwards has just committed political suicide.


by InigoMontoya on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:34:02 PM EST
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re: Political suicide (none / 0)

I agree.  Edwards lost any chance he might have had of winning the nomination today.

Politics is bloodsport, and nominating Edwards would be like parading a wounded gazelle in front of a hungry lion.


by Wonk on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:49:31 PM EST
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Re: re: Political suicide (2.00 / 2)

To paraphrase Mark Twain

The reports of Edwards demise are somewhat premature.  

You are all such wusses.  Edwards just got $20M without selling his soul
and he will owe the American people his loyalty and you all are ready for him to fold.

What a bunch of crap all over this diary.  Sigh.


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:34:50 AM EST
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I think it will be closer to $10 million (none / 0)

I thought the matching funds only cover up to $200 or $250 from each donor--is that right? So not all the money Edwards has raised to date will be matched.

But I agree with the point that you are making.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:22:41 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 2)

He's taking a stand ...  if you think money is everything .. go with Hillary then ... and see what you get out of the deal


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:20:06 AM EST
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Except that he has not disarmed (none / 0)

The question is in what way this is disarming. The Edwards campaign meets their budget for the primary, there are ample means to attack the Republican nominee and attack Republican attacks before the nomination, and then either the Republicans accept public financing for the General Election or they get out-raised by the Democrats.

A pledge to take public financing in the General Election, irrespective of what the Republican candidate does, would be unilateral disarmament.

I think the unilateral disarmament meme got launched by Kos incorrectly thinking that the Edwards had in fact committed to taking public financing in the GE, and after it got launched, it was always certain to be pushed heavily by supporters of rivals for Senators Obama and Clinton as pretty much the only way they could dignify paying nothing but lip service to national public campaign finance reform.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:32:06 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Sigh...

In principle I agree with public financing of elections... but at this moment, given recent electoral history, it is simply nuts to, as InigoMontoya puts it, disarm unilaterally.

It's bad strategy... double sigh, really... as Edwards is my favorite candidate.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:14:05 PM EST
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That's really congruent with the positions ... (none / 0)

... of Senators Obama and Clinton, who agree with public campaign financing in principle, but not in practice.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:33:58 AM EST
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hey well thanks for making your sellout (2.00 / 3)

public


by DrFrankLives on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:24:06 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (1.33 / 3)

Edwards very clearly said on the CNN interview that he was accepting public financing for the entire campaign, primary and general.

So, if his campaign has now corrected him, hours later, he really has some explaining to do.


by hwc on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:24:11 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 4)

No, he did not. Candy did not specifically asked whether it was for both or not.  

Watch the interview here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTQUe_5Qe uI

It's clear by his press release he is not saying for the general:

http://johnedwards.com/news/press-releas es/20070927-public-financing/

Chapel Hill, North Carolina - Today, Senator John Edwards announced he will be seeking public financing for the 2008 presidential primary campaign. Just as he challenged the Democratic Party to stop accepting contributions from lobbyists, today Edwards is again taking the lead in ending the money game in Washington


by NCDemAmy on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:53:54 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

The CNN interview online was edited. There was another sequence of questions before they changed the subject to Iowa in which Crowley specifically asked whether it was public funding for the primaries and the general. Edwards said, "the whole campaign."

Apparently the candidate misspoke, his handlers distributed a correction, and CNN was gracious enough to edit the candidate's mistatement.


by hwc on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:57:50 AM EST
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Spending (none / 0)

You could blow $45M in California alone in two months. I don't think Edwards would even have that much going into the general. How about the 48 other states? Democrats have a lot of ground to cover and we are going to give up our financial advantage for what?

I like Edwards but I can't support him at this point too. It's down to Hillary, Obama and Richardson for me.


by richochet on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:30:39 PM EST

Re: Spending (2.00 / 1)

If you're bowing out that easily - it's possible you were never in the Progressive camp - since Edwards is the only real viable Progressive.
But - there are plenty of Corporate Democrats for you to choose from.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:29:37 AM EST
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Re: Spending (2.00 / 1)

I'd like to see Hillary and Obama agree to public financing if just so I can see who the critics will vote for then.  A Republican?

A Democrat puts his money where our mouths are, and we fault him for it.


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 04:06:07 AM EST
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But staff expenses are not ... (none / 0)

... in that limit. So the current system is definitely biased against campaigns that intend to rely primarily on mass media, and campaigns that intend to rely heavily on organizing.

In a sense, the existing public financing system for presidential campaigns was designed to favor the new peer-networking politics long before the blogosphere came into existence.


*John Edwards* ... and the JE08 Supporters Blog
by BruceMcF on Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 11:43:47 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Does anyone really believe Edwards is doing this based on principle?

Edwards just wants to erased the huge advantage Obama and Clinton has on him which is money , and Obama and Clinton would be extremely stupid to disarm just to make sure Edwards gets a chance to win the nomination.

This right there shows you why some Edwards partisans are wrong when they say he's better suited to go one-on-one against Hillary....Edwards is clearly worried about the money gap and he knows that he's in a huge hole.

If i was an Edwards supporter right now , i'd be worried...This is not a good signal.

The Edwards people campaign are dumb if they think people will look at this news as Edwards taking bold move...They'll see this as a desperation move by a guy that cant raise money for battle it out till the end.

I agree with Edwards that we should eventually move to some kind of system where everybody gets to use the same amount of money , but to make such a demand while the game is running , is just ridiculous.

You mean to tell me Obama would really give away all the cash that he worked so hard for just to make sure Edwards has a better chance of beating him??/LOL...Yeah right.


by JaeHood on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:33:40 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Yes - it's difficult to raise money when Corporate Democrats are promoted by the media because of their gimmicks - while John Edwards is smeared by the media because of his substantive progressive proposals.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:36:15 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

I find it odd but it is Obama and Clinton supporters that seem worried and not Edwards supporters.

I was a little stunned earlier today, until I realized what a brilliant move this is.

Of course Edwards wants a more level playing field and he does have to take risks.
The corporate media is only going to broadcast his views if they are cast in an interesting narrative.

The fact that he can do it all and not sell his soul in the process is brilliant.

Obama is wearing out trying to raise money, be a senator, and campaign with enthusiasm.  

This money grubbing process is killing our political environment and candidates.

Look at Hillary and Bill, bought and paid for by the corporations.

Obama being pulled by money and his conscience - not yet bought but struggling on how to do this right.

Edwards keeps making the bold moves.  Love that man.


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:44:10 AM EST
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not worried, fascinated (none / 0)

Kinda like the way people gawk at a car accident.


by souvarine on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:53:07 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

"Does anyone really believe Edwards is doing this based on principle?"

Yes.


by greenvtster on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 09:51:53 AM EST
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Re: It's almost a desperate move (none / 0)

First of all, I have high respects for Edwards. I believe he could be a great President for our nation.

However, I totally disagree with this move. I also believe that this move has a LOT MORE TO DO with strategy. A very BOLD move in hopes of winning over the Progressive base of the Democratic party.

At this point in the race, I believe the Edwards people know & realize that they will need a BIG EVENT, a COURAGEOUS MOVE to hopefully attract & getting more support from the democratic base of the party.

He has been trying desperately for the last 6 months to define himself as the true progressive, the true democrat with morals & conviction. He has totally changed from a Conservative Southern Democrat to a Liberal Progressive Democrat in hopes of winning the base.

Edwards needs some kind of traction right now. We are at the 4th quarter of this political game & he way behind in both voting & money.

The Edwards people have decided to take their BIGGEST GAMBLE of this election & hope that democratic voters finally give him a chance & flock to him in numbers.

Edwards knows that Hillary's 20 to 25 point lead all over the map, all over the nation will NOT disappear UNLESS something DRASTIC happens soon.

They are slowly but surely running out of time.

They had to gain some traction & at least overtake Obama & start getting closer to Clinton.

THIS IS A VERY RISK move for him & for the Democratic Party IF he somehow emerges as our nominee.


by labanman on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:42:18 PM EST

Re: It's almost a desperate move (none / 0)

Well - as far as winning primaries - Edwards has a much greater chance than Obama.
Plus - Obama has never been in it to win it.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:40:51 AM EST
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Re: It's almost a desperate move (none / 0)

Agreed. All Obama ever was is a plant by the Clinton camp because they knew they had to drain support from Edwards. If Hillary wins, Obama will recieve his reward as veep candidate. Obama has a snowballs chance in hell of winning, because he is too timid to attack and ruin his second spot on the ticket.

I am afraid if it is these two DINOs on our ticket, a write-in for Edwards will be on my ballot!!


by RDemocrat on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:27:21 PM EST
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Re: It's almost a desperate move (none / 0)

It doesn't surprise me you think Obama has never been in it to win since some of Edwards supporters define trying to win as spreading malicious lies, bashing at every opportunity, backstabbing anyone not for your candidate and pretending someone is honest when they are the most dishonest person in the race.  Obama is trying to win the race on integrity and being positive and I admire him for that.  That doesn't mean at all he's not in it to win.


by reasonwarrior on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 06:25:55 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Oh, come on, Singer, money means everything in American politics and that is your downfall. I am interested to see how well you do with the other candidates in a general election if one of them is chosen. It would be interesting to watch how well money does compared to the candidate. Good luck! And Singer, stop trying to seem impartial, you are a Clinton supporter.


by 12345 on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:59:01 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

I'm not an Edwards supporter, but he just went from my 2nd choice to completely off the table for me.  Plain and simple we HAVE to win in 08.  If Hillary or Obama get the nomination they're going to be able to demolish the Republican nominee in fundraising and I believe ultimately secure the nomination.  We can't afford to give away the money edge we're practically guarenteed to have.


by blueryan on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:01:44 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

I should also add i'm strongly opposed to Obama agreeing to public financing if he runs against McCain, especially considering how anemic of a fundraiser McCain is.  McCain isn't going to be the nominee, but Obama better not strike this deal with anyone else.  If he does he's not getting my support either.


by blueryan on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:02:57 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Don't worry, it is called "I changed my mind" and he won't.


by iamready on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:19:18 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards (none / 0)

Obama won't be the nominee either. But make Hillary happy - and keep sending your money to his campaign.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:44:14 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Spare me ... even if the RNC is bankrupt .. you'll still have a lot of Swift Boat equivalents spending barrel fulls of money


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:23:04 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Because the Republicans won't, and this covers your money through August, not just February.


by Adam B on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:09:53 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

framecop, wake up.

we are talking about not taking ANY MONEY until AFTER THE CONVENTION.  During this time the GOP will be up with direct mail pieces, radio/tv, and our hands will be TIED TO RESPOND.

This is risky.


by iamready on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:21:06 PM EST
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but can't the DNC spend money (2.00 / 2)

on our nominee's behalf during that time?

Outside groups will also be able to spend money during that time.

Look, Edwards has no chance at all if he can't get past the primaries. Obviously he would prefer to be raising $25 million a quarter, but the national media have written him off, and that's what most of the donors in NY, IL and CA pay attention to.

He is now going to get an infusion of $20 million or so, enabling him to nearly match Clinton and Obama in cash on hand.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:42:14 PM EST
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Re: but can't the DNC spend money (none / 0)

The DNC has $2.6MM in the bank, Edwards has more cash on hand than they do. They spend about $4MM a month and are lucky if they raise $4MM a month, and that is not going to turn around before the convention.

Now, maybe some billionaire will finance a 527 to run 'neutral' ads for Edwards, but relying on huge corporate money kinda puts the lie to the notion that this is 'principled'.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:55:11 PM EST
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Re: but can't the DNC spend money (none / 0)

They're predicting $10M on 1/1//08, and he can't spend more than $1.5M in Iowa.  


by Adam B on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:32:11 AM EST
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doesn't include field (none / 0)

and boots on the ground will be more important to the outcome in Iowa than tv ads.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:23:52 AM EST
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Re: doesn't include field (none / 0)

All the boots on the ground in Iowa in January won't do a damned thing to compensate for having only $10 million to spend March through August.

It's nice to take a purist stance about money and I'll agree that it's the single most corrosive aspect of politics.  But until the rules of the game are changed, it is what it is.  And Edwards has handicapped himself for the general election by putting a bullet through his own knee, not just his foot.

I guess his campaign is now Operation Make-A-Wish.
This is on a par with John Kerry not responding to the Swiftboat ads for three weeks.


by InigoMontoya on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 03:14:14 AM EST
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Re: doesn't include field (none / 0)

How does one change the rules of the game if not by playing by different rules? I don't understand how else anyone thinks this can be done.  Ask entrenched, establishment politicians nicely to give up their gravy train?


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 04:08:44 AM EST
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Re: doesn't include field (none / 0)

You either get a general commitment to new rules or you play by new rules and win.  

Tell you what:  go play a tackle football game where the other side has helmets, pads, etc., and you're playing in ordinary street clothes.   Let me know how that works out.   (But don't try this if you don't have adequate health insurance.)  


by InigoMontoya on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:21:14 PM EST
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Re: but can't the DNC spend money (none / 0)

The DNC doesn't have any money. $2.6 million after debt at the end of August.

BTW, another question you should be asking your candidates is what infrastructure they have in place for polling, microtargeting, voter database lists, and get out the vote machinery for the general election. As you know, the Republicans have kicked the Dems ass in these areas for the last two elections. The DNC doesn't have the money to do it right. Do your candidates?


by hwc on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:03:12 AM EST
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you don't think money would pour in (none / 0)

to the DNC once Democratic donors realized that the DNC needed money to support our presidential nominee? I think you are wrong.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:24:55 AM EST
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Re: you don't think money would pour in (none / 0)

The presidential money doesn't usually switch to the DNC until the convention.

It definitely won't switch before the nomination is secured, and even then it would take a month or so for the direct mail to cycle through.


by souvarine on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:36:58 AM EST
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Money may not win an election (2.00 / 1)

But not having enough is the fastest way to lose one.


by Wonk on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:52:12 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

I think having $10M left to go from March 2008 through the convention -- which is what his campaign says is the plan -- is suicide.


by Adam B on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:33:29 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Edwards has been spending over $2 million a month (second quarter spending) and that's before Obama stuck the knife in him with the new law that makes him pay market rates for trial lawyer lobbiest corporate jet.

Clinton spent $4 million a month in the second quarter, Obama over $5 million a month. A general election campaign from March thru September would be AT LEAST $5 million a month, not including advertising. Figure at least $25 to $35 million to do it right in the pre-convention period. And, that's assuming the candidate has already spent the $10 million or so it costs to set up a voter registration database, buy the consumer lists, and do the extensive polling that is required for microtargeted marketing.


by hwc on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:08:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

did some of Clinton's spending (none / 0)

during her Senate reelection campaign go toward the database/microtargeting infrastructure?

Because I have wondered how she could have spent more than $30 million in a race with only a joke opponent.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:26:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Given the current state of the DNC's finances and what happened to Al Gore between winning the nomination and the 2000 convention you might want to re-examine your logic.

There is no question that Gore would have been president if it were not for running out of money during the summer before the convention, Bush and the RNC completely creamed him on the air and there was nothing he could do.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:24:52 PM EST

not the way I remember it (2.00 / 1)

Gore was behind double-digits in polls against Bush the whole first eight months of the year, not just in the summer. He started coming back around the time of the DNC and was leading in polls in September.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:19:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: not the way I remember it (none / 0)

Sure, the nominee gets a bump at the convention and people come home to the party at the end. That does not change the fact that Gore lost a bunch of persuadeables over that summer, and that the GOP had a clear field to set the narrative for the rest of the election. Ask the people who ran the Gore campaign, they watched it happening, they'll give you an earful.


by souvarine on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:09:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 2)

I think we're focusing on Edwards, but there are other problems.  Clinton and Obama are raising and spending such vast sums, and upwards of 70% of their donors have already maxed out.

It will be great if they can raise $100 Million each for the primaries, but if they spend it all against each other by February or March, how will they be in a better position than Edwards?


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:28:33 PM EST

Clinton may or may not be close to maxed out (none / 0)

But Obama has far more donors at smaller amounts than she does.


by Wonk on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:53:53 PM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Obama's donors are at 50% maxed out.  And his small donor base is devoted and turned on.  Believe that one.


by iamready on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:40:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Obama IS raising lots of money, and he is wearing himself out.  It is beginning to show.  


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:51:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

They will be in better shape because they can keep raising and spending more from March to September. They have no spending limits.

Let's say, just for the sake of discussion, that Clinton wraps up the nomination by March 1st. She can turn around and go back to all of Obama's donors and get $2300 for the primaries (til September) and $2300 for the general (Sept. on).

Clinton can carpet bomb the key swing states (like Ohio, Florida, etc.) with advertising and marketing for six months, well in excess of the state limit for the primaries.

Edwards can't do that. He's stuck with the spending limits.

Folks, this is the SuperBowl. You don't want your team taking the field with worn out cleats.


by hwc on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:14:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

You're assuming that Edwards and Obama donors (who have already given so much during the primaries) are going to contribute to Clinton after she beats their candidate.

I find that somewhat unlikely.  Many of the big donors have already maxed out to both Clinton and Obama both.

I know I won't be sending anyone except Edwards and our Congressional candidates more money.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 07:15:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

You are not representative of average Edwards supporters, many of who list Clinton as their #2 choice (same is true for many Obama supporters.)  Obviously many of them will be supporting Clinton with their vote, money, vocal support, etc.


by georgep on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 09:51:22 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 6)

I've been lurking here for a couple of weeks other than a post here or there trying to decide if there were anything redemable about this site.

Your post is no longer about Edwards. to some degree I don't care who is the nominee anymore. Thank you for that.

Thank you for making who you are and what this site really stands for plain.

Let me return the favor by speaking plainly at the chance of being banned.

As I watch the A list blogs become more and more entrenched in  in DC (were you ever really not a part of them ?) I was hoping at some point to see sanity. Instead, I go over to an Open left and Chris Bowers is talking about the "silverlining" of the Iran vote. I come here, and you are discussing how you can't support a candidate who doesn't have a lot of money.

Money is the value you uphold in this diary.

Let's cut to the chase shall we- when we cut through your pretty words. That's implicity. Money counts for you more than message or candidate or strategy or issues. Money.

Which party are we again? I am confused. I suppose I never really understood until now how  much I was confused. I feel despair reading your post for my country. But, I also feel that I am tired.

I am confused because being a progressive is hard, but I assume people really wanted to be progressive. Being a politician is easy.

It's easier to take money from everyone than to raise money with principles that you believe in. it's easier to vote for the Iran bill yesterday because you somehow think that you will get indie votes than it is to stand on principles.

All of these things are easier, but they aren't supposed to be our values when last I checked, Democratic values. But then last I checked- the party had won an election in which the American peo expected change, but instead got a year of capitulation and bloggers debating the value of dragging out the war to hurt the GOP electorally. This is the new Democratic value- win by becoming them.

There is a dimes worth of difference between us and them. but apparently you are more than willing to sell those differences to the highest bidder.

You all talk a good game until you are forced to live by the values you claim to have. You claim you aren't like the GOP because you don't support war. That is unless it is political expedient to vote for things that are against your values to win an election.

You claim you want to win to make things better, but frankly- what exactly are you making better? I know. I know. You need a 60 seat Senate majority and a veto proof house and a Democratic President- and then, and only then, will things change. If this rings hollow to someone like me- it's because I've been through enough elections to know just how hollow that "change" you promise is.

Apparently you really mean change of party, not fundamental change of how Washinton works. That's fine. But that's not about values. That's about which team is winning. I support the yankees- perhaps you support cubs.

I won't pretend the last 7 years haven't been horrible. They have. but what value did they serve you if all you learned was to be like them?

Let me be clear. I think Edwards did this because of his finances. To some degree- i don't care. I don't begrudge him that. I agree with his argument to the other candidates and that's enough.

What disturbs me is your political calculus is based solely on money, and you think that makes you a progressive?


by bruh21 on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:32:34 PM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (1.80 / 5)

This post above is exactly why many on the fringe of the left will never win elections. They just don't get politics.


by world dictator on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:05:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 2)

No - we get it - and have been through many presidential elections and know the games that are played to distract us from the Truth. And if John Edwards isn't nominated, some of you, like us, will be waiting another 40 years for another VIABLE Progressive candidate.
In the meantime - Kucinich will keep running....

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:14:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 3)

Thank you, bruh.  Some of us have been waiting many years to see somebody really try to live his ideals.

I don't think Edwards is perfect, but I also sense that he has a strong understanding of right and wrong.

I have missed your posts.

Some of the younger souls on the blogs have no idea what it means to live by your values.  
It is a struggle and you goof up periodically.  Some people like the Clintons sell out thought they don't want us to think so.
Some like Obama are being pulled in two directions.  I hope he has the wisdom to not be bought.

However Edwards keeps surprising me, and I want him to win even more.


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:58:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Excellent bruh!  you speak for me.
And I've been thinking the same things you've expressed so well.
Yes - it's very hard being a progressive because the corporate media has so much control over public opinion. Control - that Bill Clinton gave them.
Oh - some "progressives" CLAIM they can see the corporate media's shiny new objects used to distract them from the Truth - but they sure got burned this time.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:02:51 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edward's Public Financing Move (1.50 / 4)

"THIS IS A VERY RISK move for him & for the Democratic Party IF he somehow emerges as our nominee."--labanman

I can see why Edwards has a taste for high risk hedge funds. He does not mind placing huge bets on the entire Democratic party in his sudden taste for public financing developed right in the middle of the campaign cycle. Indeed Edwards entire bid for the presidency has him risking taxpayer money to fix healthcare, education, social security all at the same time. The see-if-you-can-top-this candidate is a very risky customer indeed. Of course Hillary should totally ignore him.


by superetendar on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:37:54 PM EST

Yeah, you gotta hate those Democrats (2.00 / 4)

who have a crazy can-do attitude...

We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.

...

I ask the Congress to explore the means for implementing this economic bill of rights- for it is definitely the responsibility of the Congress so to do. Many of these problems are already before committees of the Congress in the form of proposed legislation. I shall from time to time communicate with the Congress with respect to these and further proposals. In the event that no adequate program of progress is evolved, I am certain that the Nation will be conscious of the fact.

-- Franklin Roosevelt



To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required - not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right.

* * *

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win....

-- John Kennedy



It may seem like an impossible goal to end poverty, but that's what the skeptics said about all of our other great challenges. If we can put a man on the moon, conquer polio, and put libraries of information on a chip, then we can end poverty for those who want to work for a better life.

-- John Edwards


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:14:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

the viable candidates are now Obama and Hillary (none / 0)

Edwards has ceased to become a viable candidate, Joe Trippi has more than said so.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:45:08 PM EST

met a Biden field organizer tonight (2.00 / 3)

and we were just talking about how Iowans actually look at all the candidates and don't just let the fundraisers or the media decide for them who is "serious" and who is not worth considering.

I am not the biggest fan of the Iowa caucus system, but at least Iowans are not ruling candidates in or out solely based on money.

It is obvious to me that if Edwards were able to raise $25 million a quarter, he would not be accepting matching funds. So, no this decision was not made on principle.

But the bottom line is that Edwards will have more cash on hand going into the final stretch to compete with the candidates who are getting the most money from the big-dollar donors. I don't view that as a bad thing at all.

If Edwards spends his money during the primaries, then the DNC can advertise on his behalf in the late spring and summer.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:48:44 PM EST

Re: met a Biden field organizer tonight (none / 0)

I'm sorry to be blunt but Edwards has mortgaged his ability to be as effective a general election candidate for more money in the primary, not good , in addition  lets say Edwards dream comes
true and he becomes the alternative to Hillary....the Clinton people will scare the shit out of people that Edwards would be left defenseless to the Gop's ad blitz. She also would be correct, 527's were not effective in defending Kerry and can't be explicit for a candidate's election. I'm in NV so I will be for Obama not matter what but I have told friends in later primaries to vote for who seemed like a more viable anti-Hillary candidate, I think I may have to take some of that advice back. Obama is the  last and only hope to deny Clinton the nomination.
Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:16:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: met a Biden field organizer tonight (2.00 / 2)

All these chicken littles ..  most of the people bitching here don't have Edwards as a first choice .. so why should he give a damn what you think


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:30:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: met a Biden field organizer tonight (2.00 / 2)

I agree. Most that bitching and trashing Edwards over this, never were or wouldn't have become Edwards supporters.

They are merely capitalizing on a big story for their own personal gain.  


by NCDemAmy on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:57:22 AM EST
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Re: met a Biden field organizer tonight (1.66 / 3)

Edwards mortgaged the general election when he decided to continue in the race despite not knowing when he might be forced off the campaign trail by his wife's terminal cancer.


by hwc on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:17:13 AM EST
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Re: met a Biden field organizer tonight (2.00 / 2)

Wrong talking points, Limbaugh.  We're on page 8.


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 04:17:53 AM EST
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Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Thank you!!


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:25:27 AM EST

Interesting. (2.00 / 4)

I really find it interesting how much some liberal bloggers complain about all the money polluting the system just up until the point where someone actually tries to do something about it.

Edwards is doing fine on his fundraising. He doesn't actually have to do this, although it does help him a bit at this point. Not a whole lot. He is doing it out of principle more than anything. And somehow people can't wrap their heads around the idea that this is a GOOD thing.

Well, I'm with him, and he will be our next president, because he has the guts to do stuff nobody else dares to.


by sirius on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 12:57:13 AM EST

SEIU (none / 0)

Anybody want to bet this knocks Edwards out for the SEIU endorsement?


by souvarine on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:18:12 AM EST

Re: SEIU (2.00 / 2)

SEIU has already said that if they endorse anyone, it will be Edwards.

And the fact that Obama was insignificant in the Dartmouth debate and he has failed to lead or stand up to Hillary, he certainly wont be considered. I believe he was number two on their list.

After millions in ads in Iowa, Obama has barely moved in the polls there. According to most major polls, Edwards is leading in Iowa and he has not yet run ads.

Obama is not looking very viable in Iowa. If he loses Iowa, he's out. And his wife as much said so.


by NCDemAmy on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:30:40 AM EST
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Re: SEIU (none / 0)

There was an interesting segment in today's AP article about Edwards switch to public funds.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070927 /D8RU1JSO0.html


The Obama campaign told the leaders of the Service Employees International Union in a private meeting earlier this week that a candidate would need $80 million to $100 million to compete in the unprecedented 25 states that hold elections in the first month of voting - and only Obama and Clinton can do that.

Edwards is a sentimental favorite of many in the union. But after hearing the presentation the leaders postponed their decision whether to endorse him until after the third quarter campaign finance deadline.

The Obama campaign gave a closed-door presentation to the SEIU bosses that was aimed at stopping the SEIU from endorsing Edwards (by remarking that only Obama and Clinton have the fundraising muscle to get to the $80 to $100 Mill. needed,) and after that presentation (apparently as a direct result of it) the SEIU decided to postpone their decision?  Am I reading this right that Obama's "argument" may have cost Edwards the SEIU endorsement, at least for now?


by georgep on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:31:02 AM EST
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Re: SEIU (none / 0)

Still trying to provoke a fight between Edwards and Obama folks, huh? Yeah, gosh, Obama presented his case, and his case wasn't "endorse Edwards."  Surprise!


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 04:20:22 AM EST
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Re: SEIU (none / 0)

Then they emerged from their seats and immediately refused to endorse.   The end result is the same, but I found the circumstances interesting.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 04:34:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama's presentation to SEIU (none / 0)

Wow, that was cunning.  It's nice to see that the Obama camp has some fight in them.  Without going negative, they managed to throw the seeds of doubt about Edwards.  Very sneaky and I like it.  


by Kingstongirl on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 10:32:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

How dumb does the Edwards campaign think we are? (2.00 / 1)

"the campaign is portraying this not as a strategic decision but a principled one that stems directly from his calls to improve the political process in Washington and not to accept contributions from federal lobbyists"

Do they anyone will believe this spin?  Edwards 3Q fundraising must stink.


Bill Richardson: "Get out now. Get all our troops out now. It is the only right and responsible choice."
by Stephen Cassidy on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:27:53 AM EST

is Richardson accepting public financing? (none / 0)

I can't remember if he is.

And if he is, why is that a problem for Edwards but not for Richardson?


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:33:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: is Richardson accepting public financing? (none / 0)

Richardson isn't using public financing.  His Q3 fundraising numbers will be on target.


by liberaltruthsayer on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 09:55:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

The idea just came to me:

With public financing, Edwards will have TONS of time to spend campaigning rather than at fundraisers or calling donors.  Hell, he could campaign in every state with the time he'll have!!


by mbcarl on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:47:28 AM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (2.00 / 1)

Here in Colorado..the editor of the Colorado State University paper headlined FUCK BUSH....
In a hearing the other night he said it was to force a dialog. He then looked around at the standing room only crowd and said..."With all these people here with one opinion or another it looks like it worked"

In the past few days ...Edwards clearly took on Clinton in the debate...Reached out to younger voters with the MTV thing....
Tomorrow's political headline will be about
campaign financing...Taking it to Clinton.

It was always going to be taking it to Clinton. Without Obama..well where would things stand now...

You all want to accept the Clinton inevitable sweep fine.... Edwards is knows where his strength lies.

actblue Edwards
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraiser s/16315

actblue Clinton
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraiser s/16334


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud" ...Arlo Guthrie
by DenverD on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 01:55:55 AM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Here in Colorado..the editor of the Colorado State University paper headlined FUCK BUSH....
In a hearing the other night he said it was to force a dialog. He then looked around at the standing room only crowd and said..."With all these people here with one opinion or another it looks like it worked"

In the past few days ...Edwards clearly took on Clinton in the debate...Reached out to younger voters with the MTV thing....
Tomorrow's political headline will be about
campaign financing...Taking it to Clinton.

It was always going to be taking it to Clinton. Without Obama..well where would things stand now...

You all want to accept the Clinton inevitable sweep fine.... Edwards  knows where his strength lies.

actblue Edwards
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraiser s/16315

actblue Clinton
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraiser s/16334

ah...c'mon folks help Sen. Clinton out...

one last thought....why do people who don't support Edwards care anyway...


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud" ...Arlo Guthrie
by DenverD on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:01:35 AM EST

Re: Thoughts on Edwards' Public Financing Move (none / 0)

Sorry for the double post...


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud" ...Arlo Guthrie
by DenverD on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:02:30 AM EST

Who Cares What I Think? Ask Joe Trippi (2.00 / 1)

Joe Trippi in 2003:

This campaign believes that any Democratic campaign that opted into the matching-funds system has given up on the general election.

So if we follow Joe's logic, then Edwards is giving up on the general election campaign.

Or does Joe change his mind as often as Edwards?


by Ken Camp on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 02:11:19 AM EST

Re: Who Cares What I Think? Ask Joe Trippi (none / 0