On A Weekend In NH

I spent the weekend traveling around New Hampshire with a group of Obama For America volunteers from New York and New Jersey. We knocked on doors in Merrimack and Milford, visited the campaign headquarters in Manchester, and talked to strangers in restaurants and gas stations who spotted the many Obama hats, t-shirts, and buttons in our group.

I'm writing this diary today because I want to share why I now feel confident that the assumption New Hampshire is a lock-up for Clinton is absolutely, positively, 100% dead wrong.

Members of our group visited around 500 homes in suburban middle-class and upper-middle-class neighborhoods. Very few of us met any definite Clinton supporters. In fact, not a single person I talked to told me that they'd decided to support her. We met a fair number of people who had not yet decided between Obama and Clinton, plus a handful of Edwards and Richardson supporters, and quite a few solid Obamas. The Edwards supporters all said they liked Obama and that they'd like to see Obama as his vice-president, and the Richardson supporter I talked to said that she'd probably vote for Barack if Bill were to drop out of the race. She said that experience was important to her, but that she simply didn't buy the argument that Clinton was the most experienced out of a group of veteran politicians. We also met a couple of Republican-leaning unaffiliated voters, some of whom said they liked what they'd heard of Barack. I even met two pro-lifers who said that they still felt open to voting for him.

We also found a substantial block of undecided voters who stipulated that they absolutely would not be voting for Hillary.  Many people I talked to had opinions of Clinton that match my own. They said that she's smart, they respect her, but she's too impersonal and too connected to big business. Voters told me that they don't trust her to focus on the needs of common working Americans. Some folks also said that the staffers and/or volunteers who'd canvassed neighborhoods for her campaign had been haughty, pushy, under-trained, and unprepared.

In a state where retail politics still rule, Clinton doesn't seem to be keeping up with her opponents. Perhaps her currently comfortable poll numbers in the state are making her campaign too lazy. We came across an older woman who complained that a traditional local campaign event was attended by every major candidate but Clinton. She said that she doesn't think Hillary is working for her vote and that she'll be voting for Obama. We met a waitress in a diner who had served Hillary and Barack and said that Obama was personable and down-to-earth while Hillary was impatient and unfriendly. She told us that everyone on her staff had a good feeling about Barack and that he was one of the most impressive of all the candidates who'd come through their restaurant over the years.

After my experience, my sense is that voters in New Hampshire are far from being settled on a single candidate. Now that we're past labor day and all the campaigns are putting boots on the ground,  the polls will start to move away from the national numbers. When that happens, I don't think we're going to see a very big lead for Clinton in New Hampshire... if any.



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Re: On A Weekend In NH (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the report. I like to read 'on the ground' reports about all canvassing. Like everyone who is supporting a particular candidate, I especially like them when they are good news for my candidate!


by royce on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 09:36:23 AM EST

Re: On A Weekend In NH (2.00 / 1)

Nice diary.

Ive also heard that the Clintons are getting very cocky in NH...NH voters have always surprised many...George Bush was expected to win the state until NH voters decided to go for the underdog just to surprise people...They are the kind of voters that love underdogs and many of them arent too big on establishment candidates.


by JaeHood on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 09:40:46 AM EST

My First (2.00 / 4)

Wow, my first recommended diary. That was quick... thanks everybody!


by HatchInBrooklyn on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 09:59:18 AM EST

Richardson is another (none / 0)

hillary guy like Bayh designed to pull anti-war voters from Obama by proposing unworkable plans like all troops out in 5 months..


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:04:02 AM EST

Re: On A Weekend In NH (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for sharing.  It's nice to hear first-hand what's really going on.  Great work.


by ItsTimeToTurnThePage on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:07:03 AM EST

I was there about a month ago (none / 0)

and my sense was that New Hampshire was wide open.  And I also think there are significant concerns about Hillary.

One word of caution about Clinton getting cocky.  Bill Shaheen has endorsed Clinton - and NO ONE knows the NH primary like Jeanne Shaheen (who may not officially announce her support).

It is an amazing statistic, but I don't think the Shaheens have ever supported a losing candidate in New Hampshire.  Here is the list:

Carter '76 (Jeanne ran NH for Carter)
Carter '80 (Jeanne Ran NH for Carter)
Hart '84 (Jeanne was co-chair with Sue Casay).
88?? - I don't know who they supported.
92?? - not sure as well
2000 - (Jeanne ran Gore's NH campaign)
2004 - (Jeanne was chair of Kerry's campaign)


by fladem on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:20:43 AM EST

Re: I was there about a month ago (none / 0)

but she will be busy running for the senate.  at this time, this is a different situation.  no matter who says WHAT, they all have to identify their supporters and get them out to vote.


by iamready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:37:08 AM EST
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Something (none / 0)

that shaheen knows all too well.  My point is that I highly doubt the Clinton Campaign will ignore the ground game, and part of the reason is Shaheen's involvement.


by fladem on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:08:01 PM EST
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she doesn't have a good record (2.00 / 1)

of picking general election winners.,  Hmmmm


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 03:31:27 PM EST
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Re: Something (none / 0)

point well taken.  And one I am sure the Obama and Edwards camp are well aware of.


by iamready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:05:39 PM EST
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Re: I was there about a month ago (none / 0)

Bill Shaheen is Hillary's New Hampshire campaign manager.

Bill and Jeanne Shaheen were spotted enjoying dinner with Bill and Hillary Clinton in a Portsmouth restaurant after the Labor Day weekend Hill 'n Bill Show rally in Portsmouth.


by hwc on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:00:27 PM EST
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Nice. (none / 0)


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:35:09 AM EST

Re: On A Weekend In NH (2.00 / 1)

Awesome!  and I'm envious - can't wait to start hitting the streets here in Florida!  Obama will be here in Tampa this Sunday - I'll be dancing in the streets to welcome him properly to the Bay area!

btw - anyone have any great welcome sign ideas?


by bobnbob on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:37:13 AM EST

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WELCOME TO TAMPA, for starters.


by iamready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:38:27 AM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

WHy is Obama even stepping foot in FL?...I dont have no respect for Florida...Obama should be careful because he pledge to not camapign there so i dont kno why the fuck he would even step foot there.

We have a bunches of clintonistas crooks in FL who are clearly trying to neutralize the early states effect to help Hillary by moving up their dates.


by JaeHood on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:00:34 AM EST
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it's a great state for money... (none / 0)

i assume it is a fund-raiser...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 08:44:11 PM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

How nice.  The DNC deadline is on Wednesday after which the pledge will come into effect.  If Obama is going to campaign in Florida after Wednesday, he violates the pledge.  I guess if it is a free-for-all with all candidates just ignoring the DNC, then Clinton should just go ahead and campaign here.  


by georgep on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:22:50 AM EST
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Is the Obama event public? <nt> (none / 0)


by fladem on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:00:26 PM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

Under the terms of "the pledge", Obama is not allowed to have campaign offices, or campaign staff in Florida. I don't see how you can "hit the streets" in Tampa?


by hwc on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:03:41 PM EST
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Absolutely is in line with what I've experienced (2.00 / 1)

while blogging for BelowBoston.com

The voters who go to candidate events are undecided but are taking note which candidate has "open Town Hall style" forums where questions can be asked.

HC has been swooping into NH, making speeches, walking a rope line and leaving. That behavior has not gone unnoticed. It is not appreciated.

While attending candidate events I've witnessed 50-75 hands going up each time an opportunity arose to ask a question( Edwards, Obama, and Richardson events -- Dodd and Biden and Kucinich have had less volume of voters present but the high percentage of voters present with questions for them is still significant). I've been at events for each candidate but Gravel.

NH voters are not shy, they are turning out in record numbers to see these candidates, as opposed to 2004 for the same time period, and they want to watch these candidates accept questions from their fellow citizens and listen to the answers. It is noteworthy to many of them that attending a "rally for HC" is not a typical NH primary campaign event where they can witness what I just described.


by merbex on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:48:30 AM EST

Absolutely is in line with what I've experienced (none / 0)

Clinton has been doing many "house party" Q&A type events in New Hampshire.


by hwc on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:05:26 PM EST
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Specifics? (none / 0)

Open to the public?

Free and open to the public?

With the ability to bring recording devices?

Anything less than what I listed above is not the traditional NH primary reach out grassroots, retail politics.


by merbex on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:09:35 PM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

NH polling is a lot different from these anecdotal stories.  I guess we will find out soon enough who is right:  The scientific polls or some posters' personal impressions.


by georgep on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:27:14 AM EST

This Diary Isn't About Polls (2.00 / 1)

I'm not saying that the polling is wrong per se, just that the poll numbers in NH might be misleading. Voters there haven't really made up their minds. From what I saw, in NH we're still looking at the same kind of inflated numbers for Clinton that we're seeing on a national scale. Most voters still haven't really looked at all the candidates and decided who they're going to vote for. The polls show a disproportionate number of possible Clinton voters who are familiar with her and comfortable with her but are still extremely likely to consider switching to other candidates. The race in New Hampshire hasn't taken off in the same way that it has in Iowa, it's just getting started and people are just starting to pay attention. And the people who seem the most engaged, most excited, most likely to vote, and most likely to volunteer are not talking about Clinton. They're talking about Obama, Edwards, and Richardson.
by HatchInBrooklyn on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:04:55 PM EST
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Re: This Diary Isn't About Polls (none / 0)

I disagree.  The "inflated poll theory" that was advanced by Chris Bowers has been debunked by himself.  

The polling data shows that Obama has lost a lot of support he previously enjoyed.  That flies in the face of your contention that people are just now getting familiar with the candidates.  If that were the case Obama's support would steadily be rising as people become more and more familiar with him.  Instead, he has lost a tremendous amount of support.  His support has been collapsing in NH.  If I were on Obama's team or one of his supporters I would ask myself what happened to make NH voters turn away from the candidate in such a strong way?  If you look at the curve, it seems to align with the time frame when Obama decided to change his campaign strategy and go on the attack, which obviously has depressed his numbers tremendously.   The strategy shift for New Hampshire to at least get back to previous support and then perhaps build on that would be to get back to the way Obama ran his campaign before (above the fray, candidate of hope, etc.)

Optimism is a good thing.  It is what fuels campaigns.    But if you see something going down you have to ask why and make appropriate changes to stop the bleeding and turn things around, as is needed in NH.


by georgep on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:16:48 PM EST
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If you look at the poll internals (2.00 / 1)

the support for everyone is soft.  The LA times poll indicated about 47% of NH voters were certain to vote for the candidate they are supporting.

http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/200 7-09/32481597.pdf

More intersting was the conclusion of the most recent Franlin Pierce poll, which indicated that Hillary's primary source of strength in NH was that she was going to win.


by fladem on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:05:59 PM EST
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Re: This Diary Isn't About Polls (none / 0)

Great title. This diary isn't about polls. What's going beyond what the media and polls are telling us is just as important.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:46:48 PM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

I go from phila to NH oct 12,23,14 to canvass  
I am bring 4 others with me and we also have two other groups heading there the same weekend. We also have a SFBO group going

I was also there on Baracks birthday


vote cspan every day http://www.capitalnews.org/
by DANIELLECLARKE on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:34:44 PM EST

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I am a New Hampshire voter who lives in the western part of the state. Although I saw several young people walking around my neighborhood this weekend with clipboards, none came to my door.  Though they may have been discouraged by the Hillary for President sign in my front window, if they were Obama canvassers.

I have volunteered for canvassing in my area at least three times.  Each time I hardly ever found anyone who was for Obama or Edwards.  More people were for Hillary or leaning Hillary. A few more were undecided or not home. Senator Clinton has visited by area twice since she announced and she has been very well received. I have to think that the polls are not far off.

You can be sure that the Clinton campaign is not taking New Hampshire for granted.  The New Hampshire Clinton campaign staff is the hardest working group with whom I have ever been involved in my over twenty years of experience in the New Hampshire Primary.


by gradysdad on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:57:34 PM EST

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Don't you think there's a real "polling bias" in these anectodal reports of canvasing?

If a group of college kids knocked on my door canvasing for Obama, I would be happy to see young people enthusiastic about politics. I certainly wouldn't bust their chops or make a big deal about my reservations concerning their candidate. I would tell them I like Barack Obama and he's a big asset to the party. They might even go away thinking that I could be an Obama voter, even though I am firmly committed Hillary voter.


by hwc on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:12:56 PM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

I agree. You have to rely on the scientific polling rather than the anectodal reports.


by gradysdad on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:43:45 PM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

Between reading this well-written diary and learning of the curse of death betrothed on the Clinton campaign via her Bush endorsement (thanks, Karl Rove), this is one fabulous Monday morning. Good show, mate...from one Brooklyn native to another.
by PD1769 on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 02:50:29 PM EST

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If you really want to reply on anecdotal evidence, you should read the following article...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/default.a spx?p=8


From NBC/National Journal's Mike Memoli
-- MANCHESTER, NH -- This reporter interviewed voters here who participated in yesterday's municipal elections. Call it the primary before the primary. And months before these same voters are to cast a ballot in the first-in-the-nation presidential primary, many say they are undecided.

An informal, unscientific survey of more than a 100 voters across New Hampshire's largest city found that nearly three in five had not made a decision at this point. Clinton had a clear edge among Democrats who indicated a preference. Meanwhile, Republicans appear to be most uncertain. "It's just one of those years where people are going to be undecided right up until the primary," said Mayor Frank Guinta, a Republican seeking his second term this year. "I, like everybody else, want to meet [the candidates] three, four, or five times before I make a decision, and it's tough because on both sides of the aisle you have very strong candidates."

Sixteen of 51 Dems surveyed chose Clinton, with no other candidate getting more than three votes. Twenty five were undecided, including Donna Smith, a voter in Ward 8 who has narrowed her chose to Clinton or Obama. "I think that Hillary has experience, obviously. But I'm not sure if the woman factor is going to be a weakness. As far as Obama goes, before the convention no one knew who he was... But he definitely has that spark." Betsi Devries, a state senator and Manchester alderman who has endorsed Clinton, said Democrats are motivated regardless of their preference. "I think we have so many excellent Democratic candidates to choose from," she said.

Poll after poll have comfirmed Clinton has the firmest support. If there's soft support, lots of undecideds, I would see the chance they'll be swayed from Edwards/Obama is even greater.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 04:41:11 PM EST

Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

Interesting. When Obama first announced his candidacy, his campaign called my home. I sent in $25 right then and there, the volunteer was so positive and courteous at the same time.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:42:51 PM EST

Re: At this point, rather be in Clinton's shoes (none / 0)

At this point in the primary, any of the campaigns would rather be in Clinton's shoes.

We can all debate about it , but the bottom line is every scientific poll by at least three different polling orgs show HRC with a strong lead over Edwards in NH. While Obama comes in 3rd.

In addition, the polling #'s are similar to the national #'s. Its only a question of how big her lead really is.

And to add to it, she has the most committed support while the rest have softer supporters.

This is Hillary's race to lose.

No doubt, she is in the drivers seat.


by labanman on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:08:03 PM EST

Simply Not True (2.00 / 1)

What are you talking about? Obama has been in second place in every NH poll since May. Okay, he was tied with Edwards in the last L.A. Times/Bloomberg poll. We can't really debate about it if you don't bother to use facts.


by HatchInBrooklyn on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:25:40 AM EST
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Re: On A Weekend In NH (none / 0)

The problem is that I've heard almost the same story, except it was in Iowa. No one can seem to find Hillary-voters in either state, yet she's leading in the polls for both of them. What, are Hillary supporters locked in some sort of cage which prevents them from human contact and are only let out to answer the telephone? I don't think any of the people you meet are going to be able to vote anyway- I think you're disqualified from voting in the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries when you don't live there but instead have a permanent residence in the "Twilight Zone."
by reasonwarrior on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 01:29:32 AM EST

it's a common story... (2.00 / 1)

volunteers show up at someone's door, adorned with indicators of who they support (stickers, buttons, t-shirts), and ask voters who they support.  without much experience, they miss the subtle clues that a voter is leaning the opposite way and record them as a 3 (or undecided).  and especially enthusiastic volunteers can see their enthusiasm share by the voters, who want nothing more than to get rid of this shithorse in the white house.  so they mark that voter as a 1 (strong supporter).

untrained, inexperienced, these are common mistakes.  volunteers don't realize (nor should they) that voters will see lots (well, more than one) of campaign volunteers at their door, asking for their vote.  in new hamshire, i've encountered a woman who said she told every campaign who came to her door she was a supporter of their candidate, so that they would keep coming back.

so, no, hillary's supporters aren't locked in some cage, but it's an interesting idea.  the people in iowa and new hampshire tend to be very good at sorting through candidates -- but they are also very polite.  more than likely, the originators of these stories didn't recognize or properly record the true intentions of all the voters they met -- and i would expect they were told to avoid those homes where they voters demonstrated loyalty to another.

i'm glad that you're skeptical, and i think you should be, but try to remember this when, in the general, we get the same stories about people canvassing in swing states and all they find are democrats.  i remember that in 2004 -- and john kerry isn't in the white house...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:27:20 AM EST
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