Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP

What exactly ARE the union member's feelings about our candidates?  Who do they prefer?   Common wisdom would show Edwards, but is that really true?  

Gallup set out to test that question.  Their findings are interesting:

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28 738


September 20, 2007

Clinton as Dominant Among Democratic Union Members as Non-Members

Democratic union members' preferences differ little from those of broader party

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup's latest poll finds Hillary Clinton maintaining the better-than-20-percentage-point lead for the Democratic Party's 2008 presidential nomination that she has enjoyed since early August. Combined data from recent nomination preference polls shows that her dominance extends to a key Democratic constituency -- labor union members. Even though John Edwards has experienced some success in securing labor union endorsements, Clinton has a substantial lead over both Barack Obama and Edwards among Democratic union members. Generally speaking, Edwards does only slightly better among union members than non-members, while the opposite is true for Obama. Clinton's support is strong and similar among Democrats regardless of their union status.    

The finding here is that amongst labor union members there is no appreciable difference in the support of our Democratic candidates when compared to the general population.  That stands in stark contrast to some of the claims that have been made here that rank-and-file union members would actually prefer someone else over Clinton.

First, the latest national numbers:

Gallup's latest poll, conducted Sept. 14-16, finds 47% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents nationwide naming Clinton as their first choice for the 2008 presidential nomination. Obama is second at 25%, 22 points behind Clinton. Edwards is in third place; his 11% showing in the current poll is down from 16% in the prior poll and is his worst showing in any poll since a 10% reading in March. All other candidates for the Democratic nomination are at 5% or less.  

A 22% gap between Clinton and Obama shown here.

The data show that 45% of Democratic union members favor Clinton for the nomination, nearly identical to her 46% support among non-union members. Obama does slightly worse among union members (19%) than he does among non-members (26%). Even with significant union backing, Edwards' support is only slightly higher among union members (17%) than non-members (13%). The net effect is that Obama (19%) and Edwards (17%) essentially tie for second among union members, but both are well behind Clinton. All other Democrats are at 4% or below among union members.

When JUST union members are asked about their preferences, Clinton actually EXTENDS her national lead.  The gap between Clinton and Obama grows to 26%, she has a 28% advantage over Edwards amongst labor-union members.  

Favorables

The three leading Democratic candidates are viewed fairly similarly among Democratic union members -- 77% have a favorable view of Clinton, while 72% view Obama positively and 71% do the same for Edwards. Opinions of Clinton are similar among Democratic union members and non-members, but Edwards and Obama are viewed more positively by union members than non-members aligned with the party. This may merely result from union members being more likely to be familiar with Obama and Edwards than are non-union members, rather than having a greater appeal to Democrats with connections to organized labor.

Methodology

Survey Methods

These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly selected national sample of 531 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, aged 18 and older, conducted Sept. 14-16, 2007. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is ±5 percentage points.

Results for combined data from Gallup Polls conducted July 13-Sept. 16 are based on interviews with 2,472 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. For results based on this sample, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±2 percentage points.

For results based on the sample of 284 Democratic union members, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±6 percentage points.

For results based on the sample of 2,188 Democratic union non-members, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±2 percentage points.

For results based on the sample of 453 union members, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points.

Conclusion

It looks quite clear that rank-and-file union members support Clinton about the same as the general population does, which is to convey that they support her very strongly.  While Edwards' showing amongst union menbers is a little better than his overall showing nationally, it is still showing a full 28% behind Clinton.   As could have been surmised by Obama's relative lack of union gravitas and union endorsements, his support amongst union members falls below his general Democratic support to almost a tie with Edwards.   I would say that this survey result debunks the often repeated claim that in regards to Clinton's labor-union endorsements thus far some "union bosses" may like Clinton and force their members into an endorsement of her.  The opposite of that theme is actually true.

 Reality is a good eye opener, courtesy of Gallup, your friendly neighborhood polling firm.   :-)



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Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

You have made it a sport to disbelieve EVERY poll that shows Clinton ahead, to the point where you actually claim that the pollsters knowingly poll only Republicans to come up with their numbers.  I don't really think that your opinion here has much merit, given the above cited observations of your "polling analysis."

Rank and file Democrats strongly prefer Clinton, and that holds true with labor-union members as well.  That is not at all surprising.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:40:00 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

No it is not.  You have claimed that polls are false because "those asked must all be Republicans" numerous times.  Not just ARG but with Gallup, Quinnipiac, etc.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:11:23 PM EST
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My problem with Gallup is that all of their poll's show un-decided's at 5 pts or less. That is just not credible at this stage of a campaign.

They have to be pushing their respondents to make a choice. Thus not only name recognition, but what you know about a candidate comes into play.

Zogby 's recent poll showed the following:

Clinton 35
Obama 21
Edwards 10

Un-decided's 20


by BDM on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:53:28 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

So they pushed the respondents.  How is that bad when it comes to finding out union members' preferences?  It shows us the solid support plus the leans.  Valuable info indeed.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 05:07:43 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

If this is true then the polls from SurveyUSA celebrating Edwards' ability to win OH should be also taken with a grain of salt.


by American1989 on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:41:23 PM EST

why? (none / 0)

what is wrong with the poll other than you don't like the results?


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by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:43:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

Well now, quite an eye opener indeed.  It seems like every time I read that there is a particular segment of the population that just HATES Hillary, a poll comes out that shows the opposite to be true.  I think she has worked hard to convey her message to union and non-union members alike.  I really think a great part of her poll numbers come from the confidence/belief people have that she will get things done in Washington as POTUS.  


by Kingstongirl on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:48:52 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

Actually, there is one particular segment of the population that really does hate Hillary Clinton: Republicans!


by hwc on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:14:41 PM EST
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And too bad for them!!! (none / 0)

LOL

They will just have to deal with her for 8 years or make good on their promise to move.

Where would a Republican move?   They seem to hate France, Canada, and Mexico.

I hear Bush has bought land in South America.   Maybe they will all move down there with him.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:26:56 PM EST
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and republican enablers (none / 0)

aka
NADERITES!
"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:23:06 PM EST
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Re: and republican enablers (none / 0)

Holden, let's try to tone it down a bit, as per Todd Beeton.

Thanks.


by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:06:16 PM EST
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brother - you have your concerns (none / 0)

I have mine

I think the dangers of hidden naderites at these sites are a huge problem that is being ignored.

we have the press people from the two other campaigns calling hillary "corrupt' for crissakes!

i suggest you actually go visit hillaryis44 today and read the thread about this threat on these sites.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:29:49 PM EST
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I said it before (none / 0)

I have said here before that Clinton will do well among union members.  Hillary has worked hard in the Senate to court the union vote.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:25:36 PM EST

You'll be crying when read the exit polls (none / 0)

Hillary will win the most support among union members.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:28:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I am not holding my breath but I also believe Hillary will end up with the most union support.  IF by chance the SEIU does not support Edwards, I would think he would be too humiliated to show his face again.  Which would be great news for me and my family as we simply do not trust him.  On the other hand, if Hillary does not get the endorsement, it won't matter a whit as she has everything else going for her.

Gosh it's fun being a Hillary supporter!


by samueldem on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:16:34 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

At their convention the straw poll showed Edwards and Obama with the most support.


by BDM on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:56:56 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I think it has been shown that there is no humiliation possible that would ever keep John Edwards from showing his two faces.


by reasonwarrior on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 06:54:08 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Samueldem -- It sure is fun to back a winner.  I can say that as a supporter of the Chicago Cubs who have not won the World Series in 99 years.  I cannot stop smiling.


by changehorses08 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 12:05:25 AM EST
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what union are you in rrsai? (none / 0)

this is totally true.

ascme is very pro hillary...the teachers...definitely most of the building trades...

sorry buddy, but we who are in the union world know this.

the afl cio is pro clinton, because she is pro us.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:21:56 PM EST

Re: what union are you in rrsai? (none / 0)

Here's why unions doubt Hillary:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/200 7/06/16/hillary_and_mark_penn/

Hiring union busters on your staff make union leaders doubt your commitment to their causes, even if the rank and file aren't aware of some of these details.

I'm not in a union, but my parents both are, as well as my partner.  Their union members are anything but pro-Hillary.  They're all for Edwards.  And they all come from education.  Frankly, I was surprised at the amount of dislike for Hillary I heard at our last dinner given their education jobs.

Education unions matter less in primaries anyway - they just don't organize the same way other unions do.


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by passionateprogressive on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:47:24 PM EST
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Re: what union are you in rrsai? (none / 0)

Anecdotal evidence is a poor substitute for hard data.  It is obvious that reality is different from the account you brought.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:08:41 PM EST
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What is obvious... (none / 0)

The anecdote was not evidence, merely a story, and I imagine you know this.

The evidence is the letter that union leaders wrote to Hillary, as noted in my link.  That is reality.  She doesn't have a good explanation for them.  I'd love to hear your explanation of how she balances Penn's anti-union actions with union needs.  You may buy it, but the FACT is that the unions that wrote her do NOT buy it.  

Realize this post is late, and am still interested to see if this question ever really gets answered.  I suspect it won't - Hillary will just ignore this issue unless someone really raises it to a higher level.


Be a Jan fan! Schakowsky for US Senate.
by passionateprogressive on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:03:02 PM EST
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well my dad was in korea but (none / 0)

that doesnt make me a Marine.

I would love to see E worldwide lose certain clients but it is total bullsh(t to stretch this out and say that Penn is anti union.  Look at his background for crissakes!

But you non union folks just parrot that line...over and over and over...

Do you know how big that frigging company is?

Do you understand that the leadership of the unions dont hold that against Hillary one single bit?

Find another attack buddy, that one is worthless.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:26:02 PM EST
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GALLUP (none / 0)

Good post.


by BigBoyBlue on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 10:54:19 PM EST

which unions? (none / 0)

I would assume that support for Hillary is much higher among members of AFSCME or teachers' unions than it is among union members who work in sectors that have been harmed by NAFTA.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 02:41:15 AM EST

Union members SHOULD support Hillary. (none / 0)

She's laid out a good labor agenda, and she has always been a labor supporter as Senator.  I don't know why a couple of guys with some rhetoric and participation in a couple of picket lines, should recieve any more support from unions as Hillary.  She's running away with the nomination, she supports EFCA, and she has an actual record with unions from her work in the Senate.


by bookgrl on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 09:49:27 AM EST

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I'm sorry. All polls that show Hillary Clinton leading are unreliable. These polls are scientific.

- Obama Fan


by dailyroad on Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 01:34:00 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

daily -- way to go -- lolol


by changehorses08 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 12:06:07 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton and union members - GALLUP (none / 0)

This diary was very informative.  The union members want to get behind a winner.  It would be terrible for them to back someone else then Hillary wins and doesn't return their calls.  Nothing succeeds like success.


by changehorses08 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 12:02:41 AM EST


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