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Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stoller

by horizonr, Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:32:17 PM EST

It was just six little words to Matt Stoller that got me banned from OpenLeft today:

Stoller is very quickly becoming irrelevant.

This was my response to the first of Stoller's two-rant rant-fest today re Democrat Barack Obama's decision to
skip the vote on Republican John Cornyn's resolution condemning MoveOn for its own newsprint condemnation
of General David Petraeus.

Never mind that Stoller had titled his little bitch-whine, "Obama Betrays Us, Of Course." (That "Of Course" speaks
eternal volumes.)

Never mind that Stoller started by writing:

In Dante's Inferno, the Opportunists were "the people who refused to take sides on the whole
good vs. evil thing, but just looked after themselves. As a result, they're doomed to forever run
after a banner while being stung by wasps and hornets... These people aren't technically in hell.
They're not evil enough to be in hell, so they're in the vestibule of hell."

Never mind that, after observing immediately thereafter that "Obama didn't take a vote on the MoveOn condemnation,
but an hour earlier he voted for the Boxer amendment," Stoller simply declared -- as if it required no further explication --
that Obama was "a sad spectacle of a politician."

Never mind that, after two dismissive updates, Stoller couldn't possibly resist giving Obama one final self-righteous kick
to the curb: "What a putz."

And never mind that -- just in case there was any doubt -- Stoller added to rant number two the following salutation to
Obama'a advisors: "You suck!"

Never mind all that. Apparently, all the thin-skinned Stoller himself needed in order to ban me was that I merely suggest
that he was "quickly becoming irrelevant." Not that he was irrelevant, mind you. Just that he was on thin ice.

It helped, I'm sure, that I use -- or, I should say, used -- the same ID at OpenLeft that I use at MyDD and that I started posting
at MyDD in April, while Stoller was still here. I didn't even have to mention Obama's name. He knew.

But never mind that, too. Did Stoller respond to my seven-word comment? Did he engage me in any way? No. He. Just. Banned. Me.

Or so it seems. The lesson, it appears, is that dissent of any kind against Matt Stoller -- or perhaps just take-no-bullshit dissent from
supporters of Barack Obama -- is not tolerated at OpenLeft.

I'm tempted to argue that Stoller, in particular, is on his way to becoming the Eric Alterman of his generation -- pissing his way
to the top of a pinnacle that is all the more shaky, because of the very soggy crowd that is pushing from below to tip it over.
The Veruca Salt of the Netroots.

But that's another story. The point here is that, given the choice between Matt Stoller's apparent censor-tactics and
MyDD's free-wheeling free-for-all, I'll take MyDD any day.

In my experience, MyDD is more decentralized, more bottom-up, more democratic. It simply puts more power in
the hands of its diarists.

Is there more risk in this approach? Yes. Does it require more honesty and vigilance and mutual respect from
those who participate? Yes. (Democracy is hard.) But it also affords more freedom -- and, ultimately, a
better shot at the truth. And it's just more fun.

So: Long live unfettered free speech. And long live MyDD -- George and all.

Tags: Barack Obama, OpenLeft, MyDD, free speech (all tags)

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Re: Ode to MyDD (none / 0)

Geez.

Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?

by areyouready on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:35:19 PM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD (none / 0)

Edwards supporters need to be thrown out

--areyouready

by desmoulins on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:58:31 AM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD (2.00 / 2)

Here you there. Try criticizing an argument Arianna makes(or for that matter, complimenting Hillary)on Huff Po. She doesn't ban you, but she delete's all your comments.

I actually started posing things like "I believe in free speech" and she'd delete that, too.

Censorship on liberal blogs is extemely disappointing.

by bookgrl on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:36:44 PM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD (none / 0)

You are right about HuffPo, and Clinton. I agree. And Stoller, he lost me dumping on Mark Warner. I am progressive, but I recognize that many of our DEMOCRATS come from centrist states. Let's be real they do. Now, moving their states more progressive, especially on populist themes is working in some states, like Virginia. But again, we have to deal with what we have, and never stand with the likes like Lieberman, again.

But Stoller, not surprised. He has been dogging everyone out lately. And his rant on Obama was WORTHLESS, as those amendments allowed on the floor by DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP was worthless.

by iamready on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:44:44 PM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD (none / 0)

Well my pro Hillary comment was not deleted. I think it coulod have been a phase by some anti Hillary moderator if it wasn't random deletions. I have seen a couple of diaries that actually praised Hillary on that site.

by Pravin on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:53:58 PM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

I don't know when last I went on the huffington post probably like February , Arianna and Chris Mattews are the same thing .

I won't be watching much of hardball anymore , at this stage I might even watch Tucker Carlson instead of the guy . He seems to have declared war on Hillary because he feels Obama/Edwards aren't taking her on.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:40:55 PM EST

How I Got Banned By Matt Stoller (none / 0)

It's rather sad that the media still gives him half the time of day. It seems like all he does is complain and complain, for some reason people still listen. Like he's going to come out with some amazing answer to all his "problems"

I quit checking Openleft because they'd basically front page everything, so his crap that got criticized would get off the front page. But then of course, to do that, he'd write more stuff he'd get criticized for.

I don't post there anymore, especially since he never responded to my criticism of his dumb "Mark Warner will be a bad senator" rant. Showed his colors that he wasn't willing to stand and defend his position. Really sad.

by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:45:06 PM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

Nice to see a positive meta diary here, and from an Obama supporter.

I'm no Stoller fan, and he can be very reactive, but I think the rule is don't attack the proprietor. Otherwise I agree, so far, to me, MyDD is the more interesting place.

by souvarine on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:53:46 PM EST

If your coming back (none / 0)

could ya please do something?

Yes it is free wheeling here, but it is dieing under the weight of the over done candidate diaries and the attack diaires and attack comments.

Please.. what I am asking is that you rec'd and comment on good diaries, even if they are not a candidate diary.

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by kevin22262 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:56:37 PM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

Someone should probably tell Matt that the role of Bob Brigham has already been cast.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:04:09 AM EST

who cares (none / 0)

It's only human nature he doesn't want you attacking him on his own site.

As for Obama, he tried to have it both ways by not voting, and he deserves the criticism.

John McCain is a Bush ally on Social Security.

by John DE on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:05:12 AM EST

Re: who cares (none / 0)

Not voting was actually a form of transcending the vote, not having it both ways.

At least behind his reasoning. I think that should jive, at least for ridiculous votes like these. Personally I blame Reid. He should be making the Republicans talk 24/7. Then, when they quit, we vote. Also, Reid should make them work later and longer if they continue to fillibuster. Seriously, Reid is letting me down.

by JeremiahTheMessiah on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:09:46 AM EST
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Re: who cares (none / 0)

I agree - Reid is to blame.

He can say that they wanted to avoid bad media on this, but come on, attacking a group that has helped lead the progressive revolution? Not saying every choice they make it solid, but 4 years ago, they, along with Dean, really help to re-build progressive collective action at a national level.

I want our leaders to have a spine. This is frankly the biggest disappointment in a long time. With other issues, there may be clear, difficult ramifications for their actions. In this case, nobody cared after a couple of days, expect the wing nuts who would never vote for them anyway.

Let's hope we don't see this type of activity in the Senate for a while again - but I'm not holding my breath.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

by passionateprogressive on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 11:30:45 AM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

"George and all"?

I am sorry for your problems, but you don't have to show such an affinity for the type of stuff that has created some problems here in the first place the very moment of your "long-awaited" return.

I think Stoller banning you was probably a bit rough, but let's be honest here. That was not the only disparaging comment you made at Openleft over this last week (even from the limited reading I do over there.) The tenor usually went something like you have done here when frontpagers write negatively about Obama, talking about that if it didn't stop there would be a revolt, the Obama bashing was disgusting, etc. The whole picture is usually the best way to assess a situation.

I do, however, agree with you on one thing: MyDD is the best site on the web.

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:11:54 AM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Aw, c'mon George, your famous. Your beating Andy Warhol's prediction for us all by months.

And as far as Matt is concerned no matter what he said you could be pretty confident he would reverse himself eventually. Glad to see y'a back Horizon, it's been pretty crazy around here. Why does everybody want a piece of Obama, anyhow? My rule of thumb in life is that if everyone is on your case your either doing something very right or very wrong. Obama hasn't disappointed me yet and no votes have been cast. Conventional wisdom says it is Hillary's primary to lose and that sounds OK to me.

by Shaun Appleby on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:26:53 AM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

1
Yeah, c'mon, George. You and I have had so many good-humored exchanges about our mutual disregard, it's practically
an inside joke for two. Hope this doesn't mean you've actually started to take yourself too seriously now. That will never do.

2
I've commented nearly every day -- and 5-10 times a day -- in August and September. I had three diaries in August, and this
one is my fourth this month. That hardly qualifies this as some kind of "prodigal diary." It certainly wasn't intended that way.

3
Obviously, your reading of OpenLeft is much more "limited" than you think.

My single comment yesterday re Stoller was the first time I'd posted there since 2 September. That was the day that Stoller,
with his smear-titled "Obama Continues the Drumbeat for War with Iran", sought to paint Obama as a warmonger by
trashing Obama's support of economic sanctions against Iran through business divestment. Stoller's surrogates in this effort --
he'd already said in the title what he'd come to say, and had else little of his own to add -- were block quotes of a Jewish Week
article and a posted comment on Yglesias.

But Stoller -- once again, revealing his taste for censorship over engagement -- did not bother to link to or even mention
Obama's own op-ed on the issue, which had appeared in the New York Daily News just three days prior.

I peppered the diary comments with numerous links to the op-ed -- a "public service," I wrote -- and, interestingly, Stoller
noted this and linked to the op-ed in his follow-up the next day.

Of course, Stoller used the op-ed merely to proof-text his own opinion, pulling a quote out of context and using it to brand
Obama -- absurdly -- as a "neoconservative itching for war with Iran who is in some ways going to the right of Bush on
the use of American power."

There was a hint, too, that a ban might be forthcoming. Calling me by name in the first paragraph of his second diary,
Stoller dismissed me as "angry" -- twice. He went on to stay that my calling calling him out for attacking Obama
without bothering to inform his readers -- or himself engage -- what Obama actually said was a "nonsensical"
"attack on [his] integrity." The temerity. The nerve.

Guess that's just Stoller being Stoller. But the truth is, I did attack his integrity. His obvious resentment
at having to introduce Obama himself into the discussion proves that I was right.

by horizonr on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:06:59 PM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, (2.00 / 1)

OK, so it's more like "semi-OpenLeft."

by Bush Bites on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:30:34 AM EST

7 words (2.00 / 1)

"Stoller is very quickly becoming irrelevant."

Using my superior math skills, that appears to be 6 words.

by dataguy on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:48:07 AM EST

Re: 7 words (none / 0)

Using my superior math skills, that appears to be 6 words.

You gotta consider the punctuation, man. It's a Zen thing.

543,895 votes

by Michael Bersin on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 07:41:08 AM EST
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Progressive McCarthyism (none / 0)

On this day when McCarthyism has reared its ugly head in the Senate and in the bullshit Netroots, I just registered my "Stoller is very quickly becoming irrelevant" comment at OpenLeft and hope to be banned. Those guys, like the ones here as well, are not really for free speech and our passive acceptance of that attitude when it comes from people supposedly on our side is just as abhorrent as when it comes from the Repubs.

by Piuma on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:08:44 AM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

I'm not sure what should be a bannable offense, but your comment was pretty harsh. It may or may not have been accurate, but it was harsh.

I don't know Matt Stoller's work much but I have read a couple of comments of his that I thought were based on bizarre thinking. If you were banned it might not be so bad for you.

I have also found the enormous discussions about the moveon amendment bizarre. We have an amendment that a lot of people are calling stupid and pointless, but still a lot of folks won't cut Obama any slack for having a legitimate point for saying he won't play stupid games on this.

by Satya on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:23:42 AM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (2.00 / 1)

Obama was absolutely right and again ahead of the curve. How much more effective would it have been if the 20 so Senators had refused to participate in this travesty of the role of the Senate instead of playing along and make it look like any other partisan vote. If they had, the majority would have been exposed for wasting their time instead of now appearing to represent the majority of the country. Instead of being criticized, his actions should be praised.

by Piuma on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:29:13 AM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

Question: Has Obama said that he skipped the vote out of principle? Or did he miss the vote because he had to catch a flight to Atlanta? If that's the case, have any reporters asked him how he would have voted? I'm sure he would give an answer.

by Will Graham on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 07:51:27 AM EST
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Obama made the rest of the votes ... (none / 0)

yesterday. The Hill article was wrong about him leaving early for Atlanta.

Did you miss Obama's statement explaining the missed vote?

by JoeCoaster on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:41:36 PM EST
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Stoller (none / 0)

Isnt stoller the idiot who insulted all Obama supporters by calling them "maxixist children" or whatever he said on a webvideo?..I dont know what the hell that mean so maybe someone could explaining to me what the hell is a maxicist or mxist or whatever the hell you spell the shit.

by JaeHood on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:35:04 AM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

"Bitch-whine?" Really, now.

"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew

by Junior Bug on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 07:28:54 AM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

Stoller is a quasi-fascist with an irrational axe to grind with Obama. Bowers isn't much better. Forget them. I'm looking to get banned from OpenLeft as well. I'm just waiting for the right moment to go out with a bang.

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 09:03:25 AM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

Wouldn't it be better to try to open some eyes with positive diaries that show "the other side" instead of trying to get banned with a "bang"? Seems counterproductive. It is the same type of stuff we have seen here on this space every time Todd Beeton or Jerome Armstrong post a diary that takes Obama to task. Obama posters hyperventilating about how much the frontpagers are are in Clinton's backpocket, how little value the blog has, "there is going to be a revolt, and I don't really care if I get banned," etc.

What we have to realize is that this is an Obama thing, not a Matt Stoller/Chris Bowers or Openleft or a Jerome Armstrong/Todd Beeton or MyDD thing.

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 09:12:15 AM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

Haha. Yeah, open some eyes. That is a good one. That is the thing about Stoller, Armstrong, Bowers (Beeton seems reasonable to me). They are not interested in evaluating the candidates, but only in relentlessly criticizing Obama, Clinton, and anyone else who doesn't bow down to their precious netroots and its supreme relevance. I don't think they are in anyone's pocket but their own. They want desperately to be relevant, important and influential.

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 09:18:54 AM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

You're blaming Obama? That's handy. And not a little bit precious.

by Shaun Appleby on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 09:27:09 AM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

When I say "It is an Obama thing," that in no way means that I am blaming Obama. Of course not. I guess I should have put in "It is an Obama-supporters" thing we are seeing across the blogosphere, which of course also does not mean all of his supporters. It is just something that I noticed whenever one of the bloggers (also include Kos here) writes a post critical of Obama.

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 10:24:55 AM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

But the contrast with Kos just shows how out of their minds Armstrong, Stoller, and to a lesser extent Bowers are when it comes to Obama. Kos has also critiqued Obama, for not supporting a timetable for withdrawl and not being much of a leader in voting at the last second. These criticisms are reasonable, and Kos calls out other candidates too, when appropriate.

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:21:43 PM EST
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Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (2.00 / 1)

Someone above has said:

Stoller is very quickly becoming irrelevant.

Well I would never say that. He takes sides and stirs things up a little. I try like hell to never criticize the personalities of progressive, or even non-neocon, candidates. I have sharply criticized the hawkish comments of some of the Democratic candidates, but never said they were evil and everything, and someone decided that, just because my criticisms were effective, it was time to delete them all. So they zeroed them. I am so sick all the bickering and troll hunting. Sometimes I think this site has been commandeered by MI6. Why wouldn't it be??? Any organization with a staff of thousands could transform any "social network" site into a lame pseudo-site.

I'm tired of people who criticize Matt. He makes mistakes sometimes, but people who never make them are usually quite boring. Maybe MI6 is unhappy because they can't get to Matt.

I've been watching OpenLeft, but did not get involved. I already spent a huge amount of link research and effort on stuff here that was subsequently zeroed out. And besides, there are other points of view on the great internets! The proprietors of this site (yes, blues was first to use this term this way!) will simply clone the MyDD style into OpenLeft, unless they are performance artists or something. Which is fine, But what about MY style? So I just started my own very humble little site (dailytrough.wordpress.com -- "Dig Into The Trough!"). At least nobody zeros me out for giving honest and respectful criticism there! And besides, the "style" and context of the whole little thing really is different than that of any site I know of. It has already taught me a few lessons about myself.

Tough criticism is essential, but all the blunt force bickering about rival candidates has been very destructive here. And I am not happy to see people criticize Matt. Get your own site -- I already have two! (One is not for posts about things like politics.)

by blues on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 10:13:31 AM EST

Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

"I'm tired of people who criticize Matt."

Well I'm tired of people who criticize people who criticize Matt. I will not get my own site. And I will continue to criticize Matt until his unfair criticism of Obama stops. He's a big boy. He can deal with it, just as Patreus could deal with the MoveOn ad.

Matt, Chris, and other front-pagers have disproportionate power in the netroots by virtue of their positions, whether they earned them by years of hard work and dedication or not. They are fair game for criticism, especially when they single out a candidate for repeated unfair criticisms.

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:27:40 PM EST
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Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

How can they be "unfair" criticisms when they are a blooger's personal opinion? And, what is unfair about claiming that Obama has shown the tendency to not be a very strong fighter for Democrats? It is a valid blogger's criticism of Obama, something many of us feel.

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:47:44 PM EST
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Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

Oh come on. So personal opinions are always fair?

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:57:12 PM EST
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Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

No, that's the point. They are just personal opinions. They don't have to be fair. If you state that you hate Clinton and that she sucks, that is something I may object to and counter with a rebuttal, but it is still your personal opinion, your right to say so. I would never zero or troll rate you for a statement like that. Of course, if you stated that she is a slimy other-word-for-prostitute, you would cross a decency threshold that would go into a different realm. In that sense the "devil" thing seems a bit far-fetched and rises to the level of apprehensible. But, generally speaking, the posts I have seen, while tough, have all been above board, and they do represent a personal opinion, which really does not have to be fair in the "eyes of the beholder."

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:19:39 PM EST
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Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

Ok, i never troll rated anyone, but merely pointed out that they are unfair? So your point is? Consider me to be "object[ing] and counter[ing] with a rebuttal."

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:23:21 PM EST
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Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

I did not say YOU did. I was just pointing out a hypothetical case of a hypothetical "you." Sorry if you misunderstood. What I was trying to convey was that Stoller, Bowers, Armstrong, et al are entitled to their personal opinions. They don't have to be "fair," just their true heartfelt opinions for integrity.

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:30:11 PM EST
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Re: Let Stoller Be His Wild Self! (none / 0)

Look, nobody ever said they were not entitled to their personal opinions. I'm just saying I'm entitled to criticize them for it.

And this is what I was responding to from you:

"How can they be "unfair" criticisms when they are a blogger's personal opinion?"

That clearly wasn't defending their "entitlement to personal opinions", but rather it was a denial that they could even "be unfair" for the very reason that they were personal opinions. That's BS, and its also BS to deny you said that.

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:00:22 PM EST
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OK, so here is a perfect example (none / 0)

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId =1493

Dodd symbolically (his vote wouldn't matter) votes against the Reid-Levin bill, in a showing of principal and he is praised! Obama symbolically (his voted wouldn't matter) refuses to vote on the Cornyn resoultion in a showing of principal, and he is condemned as a traitor.

Oh, and Obama's vote, if it had mattered in an alternate universe, would have protected a few move-on member's feelings. Dodd's vote, if it had mattered in an alternative universe, would have helped end a war, or more likely, put the president in clear violation of Congress' mandate.

I call that unfairness.

better luck next universe

by thenew on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:21:28 PM EST
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Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (none / 0)

The only answer to this is to let Stoller be Stoller.

Would you hire George W Bush to be YOUR latex salesman?

by jgkojak on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 10:32:38 AM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I (none / 0)

In defense of Stoller, Obama's advisors are horrible. In case you haven't noticed, they aren't doing him any favors!!

by RDemocrat on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 11:43:51 AM EST

Re: (none / 0)

After reading a bit on openleft I would imagine that this comment, immediately following his Obama post, which appears squarely aimed at Obama, must have gotten the diarist really upset:

You know, I have to admit, that outside of the residual forces disaster, Hillary Clinton is rapidly moving up in my rankings of Democratic candidates for President. Say whatever else you want about the Clintons, but they don't take bullshit Republican attacks lying down or cowering in a corner. And if there is one thing I can't stand right now it is Democrats who won't stand up for themselves, who stab their allies in the back in order to appeal to D.C. elites and Republicans, and then ask us to keep fighting for them. At least Clinton fights back, and hard, whenever attacks are directed her way. That is a big plus in my book.

If it does come down to Obama and Clinton (say, after Iowa and New Hampshire) it will be interesting to see if the major bloggers actually endorse then, and who for.

by georgep on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:01:31 PM EST

Re: Ode to MyDD, or, How I Got Banned By Matt Stol (2.00 / 1)

Matt went way to far here.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 12:03:16 PM EST

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