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Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now

by Todd Beeton, Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 05:37:55 PM EST

Watch it HERE.

Update [2007-9-19 17:46:52 by Todd Beeton]: So far, Republican Senators Hagel, Coleman, Sununu, Smith, Snowe and Collins have voted Aye (Lugar, Voinovich and Specter all voted No, not sure if they were among the fence-sitters Democrats were hoping to turn.) Warner voted no as he said he would.

Update [2007-9-19 17:55:39 by Todd Beeton]: Cloture on amendment failed 56-44. "Amendment has been withdrawn." Now they're about to vote on the useless McCain "sense of the senate" amendment. I understand that there was an agreement that this amendment would require 60 votes to pass.

Update [2007-9-19 18:14:31 by Todd Beeton]: The McCain amendment goes down too, 55-45.

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Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (none / 0)

It went down 56-44. Lieberman, of course, voted No. Can someone give me a good reason he should still be a committee chair????

A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt

by minvis on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 05:54:05 PM EST

Until 2008 we need him (none / 0)

After that we need to kick that b*tch to the curb.

by dpANDREWS on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:01:34 PM EST
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Re: Until 2008 we need him (none / 0)

For what? majority can't change hands until after 2008.

by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:15:18 PM EST
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I am not an expert (none / 0)

But didn't leadership change hands in the wake of Jefford's switch?

Or did Jeffords switch before a new Congress was seated?

At any rate I am sure the leadership doesn't want Jomentum out there giving any Zell Miller type speeches at the Repub Convention in '08. I don't. It is not helpful.

by dpANDREWS on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:20:39 PM EST
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Re: I am not an expert (2.00 / 0)

If Joe Weaselman gave a speech at the Republican Convention, it would be a tremendous blessing to the Democrats. Joe is a turncoat! Americans don't like liars and Joe is right up there with his "kissin' cousin" Presidunce George W. Bush. They are BOTH jokes; punchlines; not to taken seriously and most certainly, NOT to be believed!

by randron on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:28:04 PM EST
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Zell had his impact (none / 0)

It wasn't earth shattering but it had effect. It gave them a former Dem Senator and Gov. (he was gov of GA I think) to trott out. The media gave it coverage. It wasn't helpful.

Not imagine of it was the former VP nominee. There would be milage there.

by dpANDREWS on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:35:47 PM EST
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Re: I am not an expert (none / 0)

No. The Senate was 50/50 immediately after that election, and the vote was held while Al Gore was still VP, so the vote determining majority was tie-broken by Gore. Thus Dems were already in the majority when Jeffords switched.

by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:33:40 PM EST
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Thank you (none / 0)

by dpANDREWS on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:36:03 PM EST
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We don't need him (2.00 / 1)

The senate organizing agreement leaves Democrats in power until 2008, regardless of the actual count. REPEAT - WE DON'T NEED THAT BACKSTABBING LITTLE PUNK

by DrFrankLives on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:03:24 PM EST

How did Dole vote? (none / 0)

by DrFrankLives on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:03:43 PM EST

Re: How did Dole vote? (none / 0)

Dole voted "no"

by hwc on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:07:43 PM EST
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Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (2.00 / 1)

Why does everything take 60 votes? Perhaps it's time for our own "nuclear option."

by mikelow1885 on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:04:00 PM EST

Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (2.00 / 1)

At least make them filibuster Jimmy Stewart style. As it is, they only have to say,"Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Takes 60 votes!" and then WALK OUT!!!

This is some sort of "Gentlemen's Agreement" to preserve the "Decorum and Prestige" of the Senate.

I say, "Let's give them a taste of Chicago back alley fighting".

by antiHyde on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:08:50 PM EST
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Again with 56-44? (none / 0)

Geez that's the buffer i guess...

the other vote went down 56-43... just 4 more guys...

by MrMacMan on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:04:32 PM EST

Re: Again with 56-44? (none / 0)

yeah, this amendment got 56 in July WITH Warner. If Warner had remained supportive, I bet his advocacy could have brought 3 more over for the 60. So much for any boldness or independence that may have come with retirement.

by Todd Beeton on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:13:13 PM EST
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This sucks. I'm confused. (none / 0)

Why did they need 60 votes?

by bookgrl on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:12:08 PM EST

Re: This sucks. I'm confused. (none / 0)

Takes 60 to overcome a filibuster.

by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:16:01 PM EST
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So, the amendment was filibustered? (none / 0)

by bookgrl on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:19:15 PM EST
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Re: So, the amendment was filibustered? (none / 0)

Basically. There are very rarely actual filibusters, because all the filibustering party needs to do is threaten one and then prove that the other side couldn't end it by having a vote like this. If Democrats wanted to, they could call the bluff and force an actual filibuster, but generally it doesn't happen that way.

by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:24:29 PM EST
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So no one actually filibustered. (2.00 / 1)

Ok, I officially hate my Party. Although hates a strong word, but I'm pissed.

by bookgrl on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:26:15 PM EST
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Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (2.00 / 1)

Nuclear option is sounding more and more appealing. Rethugs don't believe in democracy, or most votes would be 50+1 to pass. And since our Democratic leaders come from the boneless chicken ranch (a la Larson), they don't know how to stand up to the rethugs either. So just why are we NOT forcing them to actually filibuster all these bills? Too much to ask of Reid and Pelosi? Boo hiss to both of them!

by owlskinner on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:18:43 PM EST

Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (2.00 / 0)

Worst Congressional leaders, ever! Operating in tandem with Worst President and administration ever. How lucky can we get?

by owlskinner on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:20:00 PM EST

Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (none / 0)

Best leadership with the best president might be luckier.

by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:27:03 PM EST
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Re: Webb Amendment (2.00 / 0)

When Dems take the Congress in '08 and have a true majority, not dependent on Joe Weaselman or any so-called "moderates," I sincerely hope that they will stick it long, hard, and strong to all the closeted, cowardly, duplicitous, lying bastards that call themselves Republicans. How many times do you have to get screwed by these guys before you realize that, in reality, they don't give a damn about America, the troops, justice, fairness, truth, the environment or the Constitution. They are rapists - we are just their victims! The Dems need to STOP crying, "Don't taser me, Bro.," and realize that the only way that will happen is when they start to FIGHT BACK! GIVE NO QUARTER!

by randron on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 06:20:57 PM EST

Re: Webb Amendment Vote Happening Now (none / 0)

And people want to legislatively end the Iraq war? It CANNOT be done.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 11:41:47 PM EST

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