I don't take my orders from the Clinton PR machine -- nor should anyone else.

Her name is Hillary Clinton, Senator Clinton, Ms. Clinton, or Clinton.

This is a presidential campaign -- not VH-1.

The claims that Hillary supports the average jioe are a joke

Along with Chuck Schumer she was in favour of weakening the regulations on Wall street (brought in after the enron scandals etc) - why? Because her buddies on Wall street were complaining about competition from europe etc

Why didn't she just tell them to adapt to competition as they'd lectured the american middle class to do ?

Shrillary is the lobbyist's pet - no more no less

Clinton is the most vocal.  She is the leader.

Why does the leader support undercutting these good jobs and giving them to foreign workers?  American citizens, who vote for American politicians, need these jobs.  Foreign workers, who do not vote, get the jobs.  And why is that?  Because Clinton accepts huge amounts of money from TaTa, etc.  Bill accepts even bigger amounts, because he does not have to report.

would like to see more Americans in IT as well.

It's just that, with the H-1B visa program, the employers want to hire those foreign scabs.

Just why is it that Hillary cares more about the increases in H-1B visas than she does about displaced US IT workers?

Look up Norm Matloff sometime.  He is a UC prof of computer science who has not been paid off by the Indian outsourcing firms.  He has MUCH about the extreme lies in this area.

There is no shortage of workers.  There is a shortage of cheap workers.

Why is Hillary pro-cheap labor?

She takes huge money from the outsourcing IT body shops.  Obama should have backed his comment.

She is not good for American workers with this outsourcing support.  It's basically "if you are being raped, you might as well enjoy it."

I want someone to do more than say "outsourcing is inevitable, so live with it."

The thing about Hillary is that she's up front, even when she tells you things you don't want to hear.

For example, John Edwards clearly told Silicon Valley donors on Aug 1st that he is in favor of raising the H-1B visa cap.

On his speech summary at his site, he omits this detail.

Well, I disagree with you in part. I think that trade laws do need to contain labor and enviro standards.  That's in everyone's interest, long run.  And, manufacturing in the green economy will bring manuacturing back to the states. It's not true that all manufacturing jobs became high tech jobs, in fact too many became low wage service job.  But, we need energy independence and that offers huge manufacturing possibilities. Further, some companies have actually moved facilities to the US like toyota for consumer related reasons and for inventory turn over reasons.  Also, health care is the single biggest reason US plants are not competitive, so if we solve that, we'll see more industry. Not steal, but solar panels.  But, in essence, I agree with you.  Open markets are liberating forces, and we live in an interconnected world.  I'm not looking for policies that pit workers here against workers somewhere else.  I don't resent that India now has a thriving middle class.  That's important for some many reasons.

Why have H-1bs to bring in the job thieves?  Why does Clinton advise giving help to these companies that do these things?  Because she has gotten huge political contributions.

I would prefer that if we must outsource, we outsource jobs to Mexico rather than China. For one thing, Mexico is a long time friend and an ally. For another it would help to build Mexico's economy which would make life better for Mexicans and Americans. And Mexico is a democracy while China surely is not. I think that doing this would be in the long term interests of our country.

There is nothing the government can really do to stop the flow of unskilled labor jobs to low cost markets "

Oh ? so the government can't to anything there but they can suddenly find the means to prevent Wall Street jobs disappearing to the European financial markets ? after all Shrillary and her bosom buddy Chuck were desperate to reduce the regulations on Wall street to prevent Wall street jobs going the way of the dodo

He does not frame every policy proposal as something that primarily benefits poor people.

Nice try, though.

I think you're flat wrong about how Edwards has framed his policy agenda.

Edwards clearly understand that the anti-poverty agenda of yesteryear was successfully demonized by the Republicans as being all about helping black people and welfare queens, and he's put together an agenda that appeals to the middle class as well.  For example, when we strengthen unions, everyone benefits.

That entire report doesn't even contain a definition of "middle class," as far as I can see.

The Democrats clearly understand how to play this game I describe.

in the middle class. Bill Gates, upper middle class.  It's a cultural thing.  It's quite unifying.

I think Al Gore is more of a NAFTA fan than Hillary is, these days.

All of them subscribe to the New Democrat agenda which says if a program isn't working, you have to fix it.

I'm really anxious to see what the next Democratic administration does on trade issues.

You didn't see her vote on NAFTA ?

But wasn't she in the W**e house when NAFTA was passed ?

If she can claim credit for that she can just as easily be hammered with the crap perpetrated by the W**e house during that period - and that includes NAFTA

so do tell - what exactly did ole shrillary do in the W***e house for 8 years ? After all she is constatly carping about how she's so experienced because of her 8 years in the white House

so quit telling us what she didn't do in those 8 years - just tell us - what exactly did she do / accomplish in those 8 years that makes her so "experienced"