Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech

Obama gave a powerful Iraq speech today calling for the withdrawal of troops to begin immediately. He summarized his plan as follows:

My plan for ending the war would turn the page in Iraq by removing our combat troops from Iraq's civil war; by taking a new approach to press for a new accord on reconciliation within Iraq; by talking to all of Iraq's neighbors to press for a compact in the region; and by confronting the human costs of this war. [...]

Let me be clear: there is no military solution in Iraq, and there never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year - now.

Despite the decisiveness with which he opposed the war back in 2002 and the clarity with which he now declares the urgency of beginning withdrawal, his speech did lack both when it comes to a timeline for the completion of withdrawal and on the issue of residual troops, both of which attracted criticism from his rivals.

On the subject of withdrawal, Obama said:

We should enter into talks with the Iraqi government to discuss the process of our drawdown. We must get out strategically and carefully, removing troops from secure areas first, and keeping troops in more volatile areas until later. But our drawdown should proceed at a steady pace of one or two brigades each month. If we start now, all of our combat brigades should be out of Iraq by the end of next year.

Dodd pounced:

"I was disappointed that Senator Obama's thoughts on Iraq today didn't include a firm, enforceable deadline for redeployment, and dismayed that neither he nor Senator Clinton will give an unequivocal answer on whether they would support a measure if it didn't have such an enforceable deadline.

"It is clear to me - especially after yesterday's testimony - that half-measures aren't going to stop this President or end our involvement in this civil war. I thought it was clear to Senators Obama and Clinton as well after they finally came around to supporting the Feingold-Reid measure and voting against a blank-check supplemental spending bill this spring. If 'enough was enough' then, why isn't it after the bloodiest summer of the war? [...]

"I urge Senators Obama and Clinton not to backtrack on the need for a firm, enforceable deadline and state clearly and directly whether they will support an Iraq measure if it does not include one."

Is Obama's lack of specificity on the topic telegraphing his openness to a compromise bill without a hard deadline for withdrawal of combat troops? If it is, Dodd's determined to do what he can to make sure he, and the rest of the senate, don't capitulate over at http://chrisdodd.com/StopTheBill.  

On the subject of residual forces, Obama said:

We will need to retain some forces in Iraq and the region. We'll continue to strike at al Qaeda in Iraq. We'll protect our forces as they leave, and we will continue to protect U.S. diplomats and facilities. If - but only if - Iraq makes political progress and their security forces are not sectarian, we should continue to train and equip those forces.

Bill Richardson went after him:

"Senator Obama promised that he would lay out a different course in Iraq. I am disappointed that he has decided to offer more of the same. Senator Obama has offered to turn the page in Iraq, but I think we need a new book. Leaving behind tens of thousands of troops in Iraq for an indefinite amount of time is nothing new. This plan is inadequate and does not end the war.

"The question is simple: How does leaving troops in Iraq end the war?"

This is the clearest formulation yet of Richardson's call for no residual troops, although I'm still unmoved by it to the extent that some American troops remaining in Iraq for anti-terrorism and security missions appears inevitable and indeed seems to be a consensus view even among pro-withdrawal Democrats. That's not to say Richardson isn't onto something here, but the real question should be 'how many troops will you leave behind?' That's a fair question. Anyone with a hypothetical withdrawal plan should be able to deliver a hypothetical residual troop estimate.

In his speech, Barack Obama followed through on his repeated call to be as "careful getting out as we were careless getting in." He thoughtfully addressed the realities of the region and the logistical realities of withdrawing hundreds of thousands of troops from Iraq. But what appears to be missing is a sense of the political reality of having an intransigent president and an unyielding minority and Dodd and Richardson in different ways called him out on that. I do think Dodd scored today because just as he successfully distinguished himself from the front-runners, he also drew a line in the sand between standing strong and capitulating in order to incentivize his colleagues to do the former. Hopefully they'll listen.



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Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

This kind of bickering is just meaningless posturing. Who cares outside blogsphere?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 09:35:05 PM EST

Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

This ties into what BTD is always saying.

Obama is proposing something that would be a great plan if President Obama were in charge.  But he's not, and what's needed right now is a plan the Democrats can enact through control of Congress.

It seems to me that he's right in what he says, but in a pie in the sky way.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:06:50 PM EST

Re: Residual troops (none / 0)

We need residual troops in the region, for quick deployment, but not in Iraq. Leaving a small force in Iraq just makes them targets less able to defend themselves. A rear guard always takes heavy casualties. To fight terrorism in Iraq? That's the job of the Iraqi security forces.

The only reasons for leaving any troops in Iraq itself that I can see are to defend US oil companies interests (banana republic jingoism) or to invade Iran (ditto). Let the oil giants hire Blackwater with their own money to do their dirty work.


by antiHyde on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:13:01 PM EST

How many? For How long? (none / 0)

Just answer Bill Richardson's question, Senator Obama.


by Ken Camp on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:21:20 PM EST

Obama moving on residual forces (none / 0)

I put together a diary with quotes from Obama showing movement today on residual forces.  He's hedging his position far more than he did previously.  

He clearly recognizes and states: (1) training Iraqi police and army forces should only take place if certain political accommodations can be reached --- about which Obama is pessimistic; (2)  residual forces to be used to strike at terrorist camps in Iraq don't actually need to stationed inside Iraq but could also be stationed in neighboring countries --- (as antiHyde also says above in his comment).  Take a look.

Obama is clearly frustrated with this administration's progress, and he is stating far more preconditions than he was before.


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:23:12 PM EST

it's also possible that the troops he leaves in... (none / 0)

don't count as troops in the traditional sense...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 11:01:12 PM EST
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troops he leaves in... (none / 0)

More game playing. Car bombs don't count, troops that aren't troops, ending the war by leaving troops there that aren't troops, and what the definition of is is... It is way past time for some plain talk and honesty. Different side, same coin.
by dkmich on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 06:18:55 AM EST
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Dodd? (none / 0)

The diarist makes some good points here...but unfortunately, whatever Dodd says takes place in a complete vacuum. A Chris Dodd press release is about as meaningful to this debate as this comment I'm typing right now.


Democrats Against Hillary
by wahoopaul on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:26:31 PM EST

Re: Dodd? (none / 0)

Thats a damn shame because Biden and Dodd have so much Foreign Policy experience.  


by changehorses08 on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 02:51:17 AM EST
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Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (2.00 / 1)

People (like Dodd) who think that we can presto change-o leave Iraq in some set short timeframe without a trace like we never even went there are being way too naive about the reality of the complexity of the situation.  When someone like Obama calls for withdrawal but doesn't name a specific deadline, it's because it's impossible to know how long exactly it's going to take to get out, not because he favors giving Bush a blank check.  People who insinuate that Obama isn't serious about getting out are being either really naive or unfair or maybe even underhanded about his true position on the matter.  He specifically said "we should be out by the end of 2008", which means that he would have the troops out by the end of 2008 if things go as planned, but he HAS to leave the date somewhat open-ended because the situation is way too complex to say ANYTHING about it for sure.  C'mon, people, be realistic for a minute.

As far as residual forces go, I'd personally prefer none, but if people mention residuals in a strictly non-combat role, I'm OK with that, too.  I don't think that Obama quite goes all the way to strictly non-combat in his speech, although he definitely does not view the residual deployment as the same sort of offensive mission that the troops have now.  The reality is that I think the US will have at least some sort of limited permanent presence in Iraq no matter who is the President.  Most likely, they will find a completely secure base somewhere in the friendly Kurdish territories to maintain that presence.

Dodd's pitbull like insistence on strict timelines strikes me as pandering to an extremist viewpoint in order to get traction in a race where he has like 0.01% support.  He's been in government long enough to know (hopefully, at least) that that's not how the real world works.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:43:14 PM EST

isolationism isn't the answer... (none / 0)

and it's really not good politics.  barack is proposing a whole new kind of foreign policy where we can lead the world, a withdrawal from iraq -- not a withdrawal from the world...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:59:59 PM EST

Re: isolationism isn't the answer... (none / 0)

Bored -- Prior to Bush that was our Foreign Policy.  We were engaged in every part of the world.  The US is the most powerful nation on earth but we showed respect for other nations and other ideas.  Maybe to Obama this is new but it has been our Foreign Policy for 60 years.  


by changehorses08 on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 02:49:33 AM EST
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Re: isolationism isn't the answer... (none / 0)

Talk about a 180.. Getting out of Iraq and leaving no residual troops is NOT isolationism. Are you volunteering to be the one left behind?
by dkmich on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 06:15:45 AM EST
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Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

I totally agree. I hope Edwards addresses this issue of residual forces and makes his position clear.


by BDM on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 12:12:40 AM EST

Iraq forever "inevitable"??? (none / 0)

That is a disaster of an idea, I'm glad to see candidates who support such foolishness getting slapped around by those who realize we need to get the hell out because we have no business there.


by Bob Brigham on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 02:29:13 AM EST

Re: Iraq forever "inevitable"??? (none / 0)

I agree. Obama is a Democrat trying to appeal to Republicans.  Someone should tell him he is not running as an Independent yet, the Democrats are the primary voters.  If he understood that his poll numbers might go up.  


by changehorses08 on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 02:53:04 AM EST
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Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

We are frustrated at having a President who pleases no one--in Obama we have a candidate for President who tries to please everyone.  That is just as frustrating.  I like Hillary because I believe that she will get the proper advice and do whats needed to be done.  She will not be afraid to ruffle a few feathers.  That is the mark of a true leader.


by changehorses08 on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 02:47:04 AM EST

Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

Ha!!!

I thought hillary proposed an anti-flag burning law just to pander to...no idea.

Hillary will ruffle a few feathers???

Ha.

She's hired the whole Democratic  neocon team to be her staff...


Democrats Against Hillary
by wahoopaul on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:12:01 AM EST
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Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

"Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) said in a statement that she would "support federal legislation that would outlaw flag desecration, much like laws that currently prohibit the burning of crosses, but I don't believe a constitutional amendment is the answer."  Washington Post
"U.S. Sen. Bob Bennett, a longtime opponent of amending the Constitution to ban flag-burning, has introduced a bill that would criminalize certain cases of flag desecration.

The Flag Protection Act (S. 1370), introduced on July 1, would make it a crime to damage someone else's flag -- including those owned by the federal government -- or to damage a flag in a way that promotes violence. The Republican senator from Utah said he wanted to make it clear that he doesn't support flag-burning, but he does support the constitutional rights of expression symbolized by the United States flag.

"My objection to a constitutional amendment should not be construed as demonstrating indifference to the issue of reverence for the flag," he said.

I don't blame Clinton for signing on to the Bennett measure; in fact, I'm surprised more Dems haven't done so already.

First, it's federal legislation, not a constitutional amendment. Second, I'm fine with protecting others' flags, since destruction of private property is illegal anyway. I'm not quite sure how they'd enforce flag damage that "promotes violence," but since this whole mess is about crass political exploitation anyway, I'm happy to let Judiciary Committee lawyers hash it out.

What's more, Senate Republicans don't like the bill, so it's basically an easy thing for Senate Dems to sign onto with impunity. It may be cynical, but it's hard to blame a Dem planning a presidential run for pursuing this approach."

Get the facts-


by Menemshasunset on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 10:41:58 AM EST
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Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

Russia tested a huge bomb today signaling the start of another Cold War. I hope the next President will try to mend fences rather than build bombs.  Peace is alot less expensive than war.  Its time the USA let our young people live out their lives and not die before their time in wars conjured up by leaders with little thought to those who pay the ultimate price to fight them.


by changehorses08 on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 03:03:18 AM EST

Re: Rivals Pounce On Obama's Iraq Speech (none / 0)

A distinction without a difference--"all combat brigades out by the end of 2008" effectively equals "all troops out by end of 2008, period."

It'd be impossible to sustain a presence there without a single combat brigade.


by megaplayboy on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 09:15:42 AM EST


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