VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead

The good folks at Raising Kaine reported on an unannounced visit by former Gov. Mark Warner, on bike no less, to the The Mount Vernon Democratic Committee ice cream social this past Sunday. At the event, Warner reportedly confided that he'd be announcing his candidacy this week...but for what office, whether a run for senate in 2008 or for the governorship in 2009, was still unclear.

Many in Virginia would prefer that he hold out for another run for governor so that they'd have a Democrat to oversee redistricting in 2010, which could be contentious if Democrats don't take over majorities in the General Assembly next year. Another benefit to Warner's waiting to run for governor: he leaves himself open to potentially fill a VP slot on the Democratic ticket in 2008. One man who is no doubt rooting for a Warner senate bid is DSCC head Chuck Schumer, and the new Rasmussen poll out today will certainly do nothing to tamp down that desire.

Rasmussen polled favorability ratings for Warner and his two most likely Republican senate opponents, former governor (and erstwhile presidential candidate) Jim Gilmore and Congressman Tom Davis. These numbers (favorable/unfavorable) confirm Mark Warner's popularity in Virginia.

Mark Warner 68/28
Jim Gilmore 49/42
Tom Davis 43/35

As you'd expect with numbers like those, the head to head match-ups are just as uneven:

Warner 54%
Gilmore 34%

Warner 57%
Davis 30%

It should be noted that Davis's weakness here is in part a function of his not being as well known statewide. If Davis were the nominee, he would presumbaly close the gap considerably. Gilmore, on the other hand, would be toast.

Charlie Cook's take on the race expands on this (via RK):

Mark Warner would be considered an almost prohibitive favorite over another former governor, Republican James Gilmore, who left the job somewhat inauspiciously, while a much more competitive race could be waged by GOP Rep. Tom Davis, who could cut into growing Democratic margins in Northern Virginia and the Tidewater region.

A possible GOP fight over whether to have a convention or a primary, a decision the state party makes, then another between Davis and Gilmore would waste time and resources in a state that has become more mid-Atlantic than Southern.

Between these numbers for Warner and another Rasmussen poll of Virginia voters out today that shows Bush at 38% job approval and Hillary Clinton beating the top Republican contenders by anywhere from 2 to 4%, it's hard to take Mary Matalin's insistence on Meet The Press last weekend that Virginia is "trending purple, but only purple...it's still a red state" as anything more than GOP wishful thinking.



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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Warner is a young man as politicians go, who has shown he wants to be President.  What is the better career path, running for an open Senate seat and being ready to run for President in 2016 or being Gov again?  Should he pass this open Senate seat up he will probably never have another chance as good to be a Senator and to strengthen his electoral resume.  My guess is that he will take the next step forward in his political future and run for the Senate.  


by msstaley on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:07:44 AM EST

Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

He could pull a Jon Corzine and run for Governor as a US Senator and appoint his successor.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:08:55 AM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

since when did being a Senator give someone a good chance at becoming President (more so then being Governor)


by jbrowne1976 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:19:03 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Actually, I saw this question raised just yesterday in one of the polls.  It was very interesting and appears to debunk some of the myths surrounding appeal of governors over Senators.  

Yesterday's CBS/NY Times poll:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pd f/politics/20070911_poll_results.pdf

17. Do you think being Mayor of a large city is the right kind of experience for becoming president of the United States, or not?

Right experience Not right experience DK/NA

9/4-9/07* 48% 44% 8%  

Note: This appears to show bad news for Giuliani, as being a mayor is seen by many as not having the "right kind of experience," an almost even split for yay or nay.

18. Do you think being a U.S. Senator is the right kind of experience for becoming president of the United States, or not?

Right experience Not right experience DK/NA

9/4-9/07* 80% 15% 5%

19. Do you think being a Governor is the right kind of experience for becoming president of the United States, or not?

Right experience Not right experience DK/NA

9/4-8/07* 79% 15% 6%

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Being a Senator is seen as very slightly MORE the "right kind of experience for becoming president of the United States" than being a governor, according to this data.


by georgep on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:10:39 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Mark Warner has already been a Governor.  He was extremely well thought of as a Governor.  He doesn't gain a lot by being Governor again.  On the other hand being Senator gives him a better resume to tout against a potential Democratic VP candidate for Pres in 2016.  He can use his Senate position to burnish his foreign policy and military policy credentials something Governors have a hard time doing.  The only thing better for him as a potential Presidential candidate would be being VP of a successful Democratic President.  I don't know about Virginia but in TX and Conn. people can run for Senate and Pres or VP at the same time.  Can Warner run for Senate while being the Democratic nominee for VP in 2008?  I don't know but it might be.


by msstaley on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:16:16 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

I can't wait till Mark Warner announces just because then they will have a campaign website up, and I can add it to my favorites.  So far, I have Al Franken, Greg Stumbo, Mark Udall, Tom Allen, and Jeff Merkley.  I'm holding out for Jeanne in New Hampshire and Warner should be up here within a week I'd imagine.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:12:23 AM EST

Warner (1.75 / 4)

It's interesting that moderate Warner is so popular among liberals for the time being. By the time he has to cast votes in the senate, I can imagine the outcry...

Tester & Webb were also blogsphere heroes. Tester is currently working actively to seek compromise on the new Iraq bill. Both Webb and Tester ignored dailykos' orders on key issues... Their popularity is waning, and I'm wondering how soon they'll be called 'betrayus'??


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:20:48 AM EST

Re: Warner (none / 0)

Webb has done exactly what he's said he'd do.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:07:05 PM EST
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Re: Warner (none / 0)

The idea is to get the most liberal Democrat a state or district will elect not to elect people who are out of touch with those they are supposed to represent.  That is a big reason why Liberman is a problem despite being fairly liberal.  Connecticut can handle a much more liberal Senator than Joe.  I would expect Warner to cast the votes that the people of Virginia want not the people of my state, WA.


by msstaley on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:20:24 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: (none / 0)

The General Assembly elections are this year, not next year. There is also another round of voting for the House of Delegates in 2009.


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:28:08 AM EST

Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Great news for Clinton!


by BigBoyBlue on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:32:31 AM EST

Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

This page of polling talks about the US Senate race in Virginia... It doesn't mention Clinton at all.  Or are you saying that Mark Warner blowing his competition to hell would be great news for Clinton?  (And therefore, any Democratic nominee).  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:34:13 AM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (2.00 / 1)

Between these numbers for Warner and another Rasmussen poll of Virginia voters out today that shows Bush at 38% job approval and Hillary Clinton beating the top Republican contenders by anywhere from 2 to 4%, it's hard to take Mary Matalin's insistence on Meet The Press last weekend that Virginia is "trending purple, but only purple...it's still a red state" as anything more than GOP wishful thinking.


by world dictator on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:52:49 AM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

It's called reading comprehension, eh world dictator?  ;)


by BigBoyBlue on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:55:21 AM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Between these numbers for Warner and another Rasmussen poll of Virginia voters out today that shows Bush at 38% job approval and Hillary Clinton beating the top Republican contenders by anywhere from 2 to 4%, it's hard to take Mary Matalin's insistence on Meet The Press last weekend that Virginia is "trending purple, but only purple...it's still a red state" as anything more than GOP wishful thinking.


by BigBoyBlue on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:53:19 AM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

My mistake.  You're right.  I missed the last paragraph.  I skim a lot, because I read a lot.  I'd never have any free time if I tried to read every bit of every diary.   - It's also rather sad that Rasmussen is doing polling vs all top tier with Hillary and then only doing one opponent for Edwards and Obama.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:57:44 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

No worries, dude.  ;)


by BigBoyBlue on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:29:57 PM EST
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Re: Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

What's happening in Virginia is a tad more complicated than what the pundits are saying.  Northern Virginia or NoVa, the area in the DC suburbs is expanding and becoming positively blue. Davis' House seat is very likely to switch parties should he run for the Senate.  The rest of the state is more southern including Bobby Scott's "majority minority" seat.

Because Scott's district winds around to rake in as many black areas in Hampton Roads as possible, VA-2 is competitive and narrowly Republican.  Two more compact districts should have yielded two (not one) Democratic seats.  We should pick up another one (and eventually two) seats from NoVa.  Rick Boucher represents a district that is strongly Republican at the Presidential level.

The net result is that a state that elects Democrats as Governor and is competitive at the Senate level has been gerrymandered to give Republicans an 8-3 lead in the House (it should be 6-5 ours as we have Boucher's seat.  IIRC the legislature is also Republican but less dogmatic as suburbanites have to actually make sure the state is governed rather than being the home of mere ideological posturing.

The outer areas of the state are so solidly Republican that we have trouble getting Democratic House nominees.  I think this may be changing.  Of course the strangenesses of this abound.  In one sense, the VaTech tragedy was a natural combination of rural southern gun policies meeting up with suburban multi-cultural angst.  Kaboom.  The whole macacca thing fit into that as well.

Virginia is not a "midddle atlantic" state.  It is a state that is comprised of a middle atlantic region (NoVa) and a southern region.  Statewide, the trend is Democratic because NoVa accounts for a larger and larger portion of the state's population.


by David Kowalski on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:35:53 AM EST

Re: Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

That is correct but to carry VA the democratic candidate must carry Loudon and Prince William counties and they are the fastes growing counties in the state. Both Kaine and Webb carried these two counties the first democrats to do so.

I don't think Clinton can carry these two counties, she can carry Fairfax, Arlington and Alexandria counties in Northern VA.


by BDM on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:43:46 AM EST
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Mark Warner (none / 0)

If Clinton ask Mark Warner to be her VP, can he run simutaneously as VP and senator candidates?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:06:23 PM EST

Re: Mark Warner (none / 0)

If Mark Warner announces for Senate, no one will choose him as a VP nominee.


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:13:29 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

20 point lead over Gilmore and 27 point lead over Davis.

Warner(D) vs Gilmore (R)-
Warner(D)60%
Gilmore(R)40%

Both men have universal name recognition. Voters have made up their mind on both candidates.

Warner(D) vs Davis (R)
Warner(D)60%
Davis(R) 40%
Davis(R) has low name recognition. He would naturally gain support from the undecided voters


by nkpolitics on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:44:55 PM EST

Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

If Mark Warner announces for Senate, he carries a strong chance to get elected. However, he also creates a stronger chance that a Republican will win the Governorship in 2009. Right now, AG Bob McDonnell and LG Bill Bolling are prepping for an '09 bid. Both men won in '05, when Kaine won at the top of the ticket. Whoever wins the primary will be heavily favored to with the Governorship in 2009.


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:15:34 PM EST

Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Creigh Deeds and Brian Moran are both set to run for Governor and both men have a solid chance of winning.  You are correct that the potential Republican contenders have won statewide races previously.  With strong Democratic senators who are widely liked the chances for a Democratic gubernatorial candidate to win are increased.  If Warner does not run for senate we are as unlikely to win the senate seat next year as we are the governor's mansion in two years.


by Obama08 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:41:54 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Deeds already lost to McDonnell once, and Brian Moran is a favorite of the netroots, but not much elsewhere. Both have an outside chance of winning, in the sense that it wouldn't play out like MS-GOV or LA-GOV, but Bolling or McDonnell would be heavily favored. And Webb is not "widely liked"--his highest approval rating has been 55%. And we'll see how well Mark Warner emerges from a Senate fight when he has to take a position on issues he could previously avoid.


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 03:05:50 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Deeds lost by less than 1% margin despite being a first time candidate. VA is trending Democratic. Deeds could defeats McDonnell. With regards to Webb. He is just a freshman Senator who is not well known statewide. Getting a 55% approval rating is not bad.
Warner is personally popular by VA voters similar to Bayh in Indiana. Virginia is not a Red State like Georgia- in which Progressivism is a Sin.
by nkpolitics on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 03:37:26 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Neither McDonnell or Deeds were first-time candidates. Both ran for the race from the General Assembly. Deeds has been in the House of Delegates then the State Senate since 1991 and McDonnell in the House since 1992. If Deeds couldn't defeat McDonnell when neither were statewide candidates, how does he expect to defeat McDonnell when he has four years as the attorney general on his resume?

Are you kidding that Webb isn't well-known statewide?


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:09:24 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Spending 4 years as Attorney General does not mean Jack Shit. McDonnell is not a high profiled AG- like Spitzer of New York. Voters rarely pay attention to who the Attorney General of Virginia.  

Here is how Deeds defeats McDonnell.
Deeds is not currently occupying any elected office in Virginia- He is currently a political outsider. Deeds has an advantage in campaigning and raising money all over the state. McDonnell will have his record as Attorney General heavily scrutinized. Media reports of McDonell taking money from organizations he is hired by taxpayers to investigate will come out. Deeds who is popular with rural-Nascar voters can portray himself as a good ole Southern boy.

Webb is not well known statewide. He was just elected to the US Senate last year. He won due to the weakness of his Republican opponent.


by nkpolitics on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:33:04 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

I disagree that McDonnell is not high-profile. In addition to being very present all over the state in the 2007 elections (and you can expect the same thing in the 2008 elections), he has two years to build up his profile, which he's gotten a good start on.

Given the record of AGs running for Governor, I disagree that no one pays attention to the position.

And you're mistaken. Deeds is currently a State Senator.


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 09:01:19 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

McDonnell is the closest to Taliban we will get in Virginia. We may as well get Mullah Omar to be the Lt. Governor with this clown running.


by Boilermaker on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 08:03:09 AM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Being a statewide elected official like Attorney General/Lt Governor/Treasurer/Secretary of State. does not mean you get elected Governor against a non statewide elected official.

examples.
1)2002 IL Governor's Race. Rod Blagojevich defeated a sitting AG to become Governor.
2)2003 KY Governor's Race. Ernie Fletcher defeated Ben Chandler who was then a sitting AG.
3)2002 MA Governors Race- Mitt Romney defeated a Sitting State Treasurer.
4)2004 MT Governors Race- Brian Sweitzer defeated a sitting Secretary of State.
5)2000 ND Governors Race- John Hoeven defeated a sitting Attorney General.
6)2006 OH Governors Race- Ted Strickland defeated Ken Blackwell- sitting Secretary of State.
7)2001 VA Governors Race- Mark Warner defeated a sitting AG to get elected Governor.also Mr Macaca was elected Governor of VA in 1993 by defeating a sitting AG.


by nkpolitics on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:05:11 AM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

don't forget VABlogger that Deeds was also outspent by 3 million. In a governors race, he won't be outspent 2:1. And also in a governors race, not some relatively insignificant race like AG that people much less attention to, he'll get more support from the ticket-splitters in NOVA, Hampton Roads and the Richmond area who will vote for their choice on top of the ticket, but vote on their past party preference buttom of the ticket (which would be for Republican, and AG McDonnell).


by KainIIIC on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:55:44 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Larry Sabato thinks Warner will run for Senate. I think Craig Deeds has a better chance of becoming the Governor of Virginia than Hillary Clinton carrying Virginia in a Presidential race of becoming the President of the United States.


by Boilermaker on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:57:08 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

In 2001.
The Republican candidates for Governor
Mike Earley and John Hager were statewide elected official. Earley lost to Mark Warner.
by nkpolitics on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 03:23:44 PM EST
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Re: Red to blue to red? (none / 0)

Both are jokers as is Bob "the Taliban" McDonnell. McDonnell's ideas will fit in well with the Taliban and other fanatics as well as the Polygamist colony of Mormons in Arizona or Utah. Taliban Bob will want the women to wear hoop skirts as they used to do in the ante-bellum days and stay barefoor and pregnant.


by Boilermaker on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:59:42 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Those are incumbent numbers. Everything crossed that he jumps in Thursday.


by conspiracy on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 03:27:35 PM EST

Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

We in Virginia have seen what it is like to live in Republican-gerrymandered boundaries for the past decade, congressional and state legislative. So, while it is easy to be enthusiastic about any campaign our great former governor Mark Warner wages, we have in the back of our minds the high stakes that are at hand with the impending 2011 apportionment.  Our next governor will have a huge say in that. It is for that reason that many Virginia Democrats will tell you that we really need to save our strongest candidate for that governor's race in 2009 --- and to put together a winning campaign for someone else in the Senate race next year.  


by Jdid on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 03:40:10 PM EST

Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

Should Mark Warner win the Senate race don't you think it likely that having both Senate seats in Democratic hands will help Democrats keep the Governor's seat?  Is Virginia's Democratic political bench that weak and the Republican's so strong?


by msstaley on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 04:27:43 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

That would help and we have a good bench.  However, going back to 1980 at least, the party out of power in the White House has won the Virginia governorship the following year. I am hopeful we will win the White House in 2008, but that means we will be bucking history here in 2009 and for that reason I would rather have Mark Warner running for governor.  


by Jdid on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 05:03:38 PM EST
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Re: VA-Sen: Rasmussen Poll Shows Warner Way Ahead (none / 0)

In short, the answer to the last question is yes.


by Unabridged on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 09:03:18 PM EST
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