Biden and Dodd & Hillary

I'd say we have a competition between Biden and Richardson to become Hillary's VP.

Although I thought Biden blowing off the question from the widow who's husband died in the mine was a bad idea.

Dodd I guess just wants to get upset at anyone questioning the main financial supporters of his elections to office.

Anyhow, if this keeps up Biden and Dodd may become Lieberman juniors.

With all the squabling tonight two things were missed.

1.  Hillary took a pass on answering whether or not "Lobbyists represent real Americans" and

2.  The main stream media still does not realize for all the times Hillary mentions healthcare she has no healthcare plan.



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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

My friend, Hillary is not going to pick either Biden or Dodd. Stop your conspiracy theory. When kos crowd rated your candidate below Kucinich, you have a real problem. LOL


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:18:46 PM EST

the MSNBC crowd (none / 0)

that verbally fellates Hillary agreed she has one big problem.

saying all the money Hillary gets doesn't influence her is bunk.

Willie Brown (who said Hillary won) said the lobbyist thing is a "virus" that will grow unless she can deal with it.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:21:30 PM EST
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Re: the MSNBC crowd (none / 0)

He couldn't even deal with that 'trial lawyer' money question. LOL. No wonder even his supporters on dailykos are saying he is a complete phoney.

One Edwards guy who donated $2,000 to his campaign went back live from the debate and declared on dailykos, he's throwing his support behind Kucinich.

I feel sorry for that guy. Forbes cover candidate? What a cheap shot.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:29:48 PM EST
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Hillary was on this Fortune Cover (none / 0)

"Which Candidate is Business Betting On?"

"Even at this early stage of the primary race, the business endorsements of Clinton alone rival - in size, scope and prestige the list of CEOs publicly supporting the Kerry-Edwards ticket in the 2004 general election.

The more than 150 top executives who have raised money for Clinton represent such brand names as Anheuser-Busch (Charts, Fortune 500), Comcast (Charts), Estée Lauder, Palm (Charts), Sun Microsystems (Charts, Fortune 500) and Qualcomm (Charts, Fortune 500). Venture capitalist James D. Robinson III, the former CEO of American Express and a longtime Republican, told Fortune he now supports Clinton for President . . .

/money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune _archive/2007/07/09/100121742/index.htm? postversion=2007062618

This is the Fortune Magazine that Hillary graces on the cover.


by ashlarah on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 06:59:11 AM EST
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Re: the MSNBC crowd (none / 0)

he said she has to address it - and all she has to do is point out where everyone else is getting their money, that kills dodd because he collects the most, and makes Obama/Edwards look like hypocrites


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:36:18 PM EST
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Edwards is at the bottom of the list (none / 0)

from insurance, pharma, wall street,  even hedge funds he's forth among Dems.

Edwards is much much cleaner on money.

I did not realize how sold out dodd is....


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:41:14 PM EST
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Re: Edwards is at the bottom of the list (none / 0)

That's because he's not raising any money.

I haven't taken one red cent from corporate interests in this election.


by hwc on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:51:31 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

I have seen you post your diaries on Daily Kos and you do not post a tip jar?  Why is that?  Were you there before as someone else?  I am asking because that is the complaint.  And your diaries are hit pieces over there.  Ummmmm...


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:39:23 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

Why is it that people with the most incessant personal questions (like yours) are the ones who just signed on a few days ago?    How many new Obama posters will be coming out of the woodwork like that, or are you a known poster under a different handle here?  

Relax it with the personal stuff already.  You don't like him, fine.  Ignore comments or rebut, but let's not always go through the same song and dance with newly signed up posters asking areyouready who he is, if he works for the Clinton campaign, what he does.   It distracts from the discussion at hand.  Just ignore if you don't like his or other's posts would be my advice.  


by georgep on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:45:10 PM EST
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we're all going (none / 0)

to get names like areyouready.

he's very annoying and has gone through at least 3 names that I can think of.

If mydd can't learn to ban IPs they're going to lose a lot of readers


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:01:21 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

I agree, but that poster is shameless and should just make a point and leave it alone.  But does that not take away from the conversation?  I have been posting on america blog and found I did like your postings.  Intelligent.  And I post on Daily Kos and have seen this individual lately posting, basically, troll diaries.  This does nothing for the forum.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:04:58 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

So, you sign up here as "iamready" to go after the guy?   I just don't see where that makes sense.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  But, as always, ya gotta do what ya gotta do, you know.  


by georgep on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 01:48:15 AM EST
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I agree, but none of them will do... (none / 0)

they don't have IT...

Another tid bit.

Mayor Brown said something very interesting on MSNBC.  He said that Hillary Clinton must disspell the "lobbyist" issue and quickly.  He stated this could run like a bad virus.  I agree.  It was a very bad stumble at the Kos Convention and was just a look into how she "really feel and think".  It was brave, the admission, and honest, but stupid, none the less.

The public may not know the in's and out's of lobbyists.  And many lobbyists come from good organizations, unions, environmental and so forth.  But their horrible name has come to the credit and on-going scandal of Jack Abramhoff.  Remember, in the November elections, corruption/scandal was in the top three, which helped to oust the GOP.  So, to think that this is nothing and will not be warranted.  Think again.  These ads are in the making, right now, don't think it is not happening.  I expect ads on this by the end of the month, against Clinton.  She need to heal this wound to move on.

Tonight it was also a new development.  The tag team of Dodd and Biden to flank Clinton.  It was extremely obvious.  Especially the attack of Obama and Edwards to an extent.  I don't know if it will work, but it was apparent and obvious.

The winner was Kucinich.  He is a real liberal, and a real labor man.  The loser is Biden.  Not answering that widow's question to "try" to score political points, was just shameless.

Obama improved and beat the tag team back, and the audience and viewers respected that.  Clinton unscathed.  But overall, it is politics 101.

Next debate on the LOGO TV (cable) and streaming video.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:35:29 PM EST

Re: I agree, but none of them will do... (none / 0)

The Clinton campaign will handle the lobbyist issue with some carefully placed oppo research on Obama asking lobbyist to write their donation checks on their wive's accounts. A New York Times lead article will probably suffice.

I have to say, the discpline of the Clinton campaign in staying on message tonight was a thing of beauty....as was the little tag team takedown of Obama's foreign policy nightmare.


by hwc on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:03:37 AM EST
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Re: I agree, but none of them will do... (none / 0)

I did not see it as a take down of Obama.  And I am looking forward to the NY Times article, how did you know it was coming out?


by iamready on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:52:13 AM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (3.00 / 2)

Hillary with Healthcare plan? Are you kidding me?
It is like claiming that you own a bridge and ready to sell to the first moron passing by. Her only plan is to be President. After that, business as usual!
by win on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:36:02 PM EST

Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

Let's be brutally honest here:  If this lobbying thing does not gain traction, they'll drop it within a flash.  It is just the latest "issue du jour."  I don't recall anyone talking about it last week, or the week before, or last month.  

On healthcare, Clinton said that health care was going to be the first thing she will work on.  And, don't forget that 1/3rd of her plan is already out there (very solid proposals) with the other 2 parts still to come.   It will be unveiled for maximum political impact at a time when more people are paying attention, which makes sense, politically speaking.    


by georgep on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:37:53 PM EST

Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

This is a wait and see issue.  Again, that word to many americans relate to being "bought out" in Washington, D.C.  Now if pundits are talking about it on the television, it could be an issue.  I agree with Mayor Brown on this one.  Clear it up.  She had the opportunity tonight to do this and she did not.  Why have it linger, when running a good campaign?  That tag is a mirror to business as usual.  The campaign need to address it immediately.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:43:47 PM EST
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corporate interests (none / 0)

outraise labor interests 18 to 1..

the poor social workers lobby can't compete with Hillary's (and Dodd's) insurance money


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:47:54 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

The lobbyists won't let Hillary unveil a universal healthcare plan. They are the only people left fundraising for her. I don't want her being humiliated publicly with a lousy fundraising.


by win on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:46:36 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

Unbelievably ridiculous post.  

Are you aware that the "dirty lobbying money" makes up about 0.8% of her fundraising?   Probably not, or you would not have written the post you just did.  


by georgep on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:51:45 PM EST
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But this is an example of "uninformed" (none / 0)

persons, believing, "Clinton Loves the Lobbyists".  Mayor Brown, correct again, Mrs. Clinton needs to fix this.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:53:28 PM EST
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But this is an example of "uninformed" (none / 0)

She did fix it. This afternoon. She gave a major speech trashing the banks and mortgage lenders  (who contribute heavily to her campaign).


by hwc on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 02:27:09 AM EST
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Not So Sure About the Trashing (none / 0)

Well, she did address a major problem, I'll give you that.  The subprime lending crisis has affected money all over the world and it is not getting any better.  It's not just homeowners who are worried.

Of the $1 billion fund to supplement state programs that help homeowners catch up on mortgage payments, renegotiate loan terms or provide financial counseling she proposes I imagine most of it would end up going straight to the bank on behalf of the borrower.  The banks aren't gonna' complain about that if they are facing defaulting lenders.  I didn't catch where the money was coming from, though.  She did get them on pre-payment penalties.  But I doubt that is a big issue for them compared to defaults.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 06:11:21 AM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

This is a very stupid statement.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:52:24 PM EST
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you're wrong george (none / 0)

it fits a bigger narrative of "change"  "insiders" "washington is broken"..

even Huckabee is starting to talk about broken washington.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:46:50 PM EST
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Again, this lobbyist misstep is an opening (none / 0)

Again, I agree with Mayor Brown, Clinton must fix it.  And to use the label of "Washington is Broken", "Insiders", attached with taking lobbyist monies is an attack ad in the making.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:51:50 PM EST
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Edwards & Obama set up her good... (none / 0)

it had to be done of course, but being in the room and watching done, was a thing of beauty. It was a smooth as a guillotine.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 01:47:24 AM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

Ah, Huckabee.  How important to this process.

We hear this "beltway insider" "Washington is broken" stuff every two years.  It never gains any traction.  NOW it will?   I doubt that very much.  People are not quite as dumb as you always make them out to be.  They can see a canard and a manufactured issue a mile away.  Where was this all-important issue 2 weeks ago?  2 months ago?  

It is not going to work.  Even a mere WEEK from now nobody is going to talk about it with any vigor anymore.  We'll see 7 days from now if I am right.  


by georgep on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:55:35 PM EST
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It's a Question of Discipline (none / 0)

Campaigns trying to play "catch up" tend to have attention deficit disorder.


by Edgar08 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:01:18 PM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

Hillary got booed talking about not saying what you think..

I don't know exactly what to make of it..

I'll have to watch the whole exchange but the MSNBC reporters in the crowd alter, and some woman said it was interpreted of more "secret" bush foreign policy that the public doesn't need to know about..


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:04:28 PM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

My take is this.  We already have someone in office who is not candid, nor honest with the public.  He does not tell us what he thinks.  So, why should we still continue to have that?  I don't think it will be a major bumble, but that was a different insight of how the public view these candidates.


by iamready on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:07:17 PM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

Exactly.  We are getting treated to halftruths from Obama (in fact, outright distortions like Clinton=Bush/Cheney) so you are right on that Democrats are rejecting that, which is why we are seeing the state of the race where it is.  


by georgep on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:12:33 PM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

Baloney. That booing was like Red Sox fans booing a Yankees home run in Fenway Park. Clinton took Obama to school.


by hwc on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:05:15 AM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

I don't' think so.  Everyone's impression, opinion is different.  You have yours.  In fact, it made him clarify his position.  And you have to give him credit for the dig to all those attacking him for voting for this and putting us on the "wrong battlefield".  That can not be disputed or argued.


by iamready on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:54:17 AM EST
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Re: you're wrong george (none / 0)

Hey, hwc, did you get an email from mydd lately?  Just wondering...


by georgep on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 01:50:22 AM EST
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Hillary must work very slowly (none / 0)

...if Health Care is the first thing she'll work on, since she also has said "I want to have universal health care coverage by the end of my second term."


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:49:02 PM EST
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How Many Lobbyists (none / 0)

Does the AFL-CIO have?


by Edgar08 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 10:48:42 PM EST

they're outspent (none / 0)

18 to 1 by business ...


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:04:53 PM EST
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Re: they're outspent (none / 0)

So there's more than 1 then.


by Edgar08 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:11:19 PM EST
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I'm sure there's a lot (3.00 / 1)

I know you're bright...

yeah there are probably lobbyists for good groups but they can't compete.

Insurance and pharma spent 300 million last year on lobbying.

you can add up every groups you want that's "good" and they can't touch that.

Chamber of commerce 72 million

Pfizer ALONE 11 million...  (plus PhRMA which is a separate and bigger pharma lobby)..


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:13:58 PM EST
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I just Thought Of Something (none / 0)

If the Ratio Business to Labor is 18 to 1, then a Candidate who was entrenched with Lobbyists would have a Ratio of Donations Business to Labor 18 to 1.


by Edgar08 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:23:11 PM EST
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Re: I just Thought Of Something (none / 0)

I haven't seen details on lobbyists. However, Clinton's PAC money breaks down as follows:

9% labor

36% single issue and ideological groups (such as Planned Parenthood, Sierra Club, gay rights groups, etc.

55% business

That's a pretty even split.


by hwc on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 02:37:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Given that the Ratio (none / 0)

Is 18 to 1 a 6 to 1 ratio would actually illustrate a preference for labor.


by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 03:49:35 AM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

Hillary couldn't pass a landmark bill in 8 years in the Senate. Lobbyists are going to help her write a healthcare bill. She just need to sign - no reading required (remember AUMF?)

Lobbbyists will work overtime for Hillary. Forget about Universal Healthcare if you vote for her.


by win on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:02:37 PM EST

even she's said (none / 0)

she won't do anything about universal health care in a first term ..

but no one in the media seems to know this


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:05:34 PM EST
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It Could Be (none / 0)

That she didn't guarantee Universal Health Care in the First Term.

Doing things to deliver Health Care to more Americans in her first term?  

I know Edwards has committed to have Universal Health Care Delivered and Completed in Four Years.

I've heard it's kind of an Over-Commit and even if you don't get it all you'll get more than without the unrealistic commitment.

Either way I like Candidates who make commitments and have a snowball's chance of actually keeping them.

Edwards has made a lot of promises, and has clearly articulated a dynamic in Politics that tends to generate a lot of feedback with voters.

But I have no idea how he's going to get any of this done with a divided Congress.

This seems to have gone unnoticed in the media.


by Edgar08 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:18:13 PM EST
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Re: It Could Be (none / 0)

Not to mention that you'll never get health care changes by demonizing the health care providers. One of the biggest mistakes Clinton made the last time around was shutting the American Medical Association out of the process. The doctors are still pissed about it.


by hwc on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:07:09 AM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

Tarheel, it is a bit curious that after a debate where the candidate who is supposedly the most pro-union, progressive and populist had a debate in what should have been in his home audience, you write about others doing Hillary's bidding.  It is clear that you think she is omnipotent.  The fact is Edwards did not deliver tonight.  Biden gave him a hard smack down about his walking the picket line.  All he could come back with was that he had walked the picket line 200 times in the last 2 yrs, including SAT and Sun.   That's exactly the point Biden was making, that Edwards started walking picket lines to boost his Pres. campaign and not when it was actually a hard or costly decision, like when he was in the  Senate.  He had nothing, which is why labor is holding its' fire and  waiting to endorse a candidate(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/us/pol itics/31unions.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ).  Kucinich stole Edwards thunder tonight.


by Kingstongirl on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:28:27 PM EST

Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

he did that in the first debate as well


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:35:14 PM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

anyone else take offense to the jock strap comment? Seems a little Elizabeth Edwards-ish on Hillary trying to act like a man while being in the senate.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:31:21 PM EST

Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

I agree on the title. Take it down.


by art3 on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 01:33:57 AM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

 Tarheel is grumpy because Edwards was attacked a lot last night and as a result did not come out too good in this debate, which was advertised as "on his turf."   That is still no excuse for the shameful title of this diary.


by georgep on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 03:23:49 AM EST
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Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

The Obama and Edwards folks are just upset that their candidates aren't matching up to their hype; is Hillary a perfect candidate? No Way! But she can definitely get things done and that is what I want to see, things get done, not the same old b.s. about being the candidate of change; that is what Bush said in 1999/2000 and see where we are?

As for Edwards, he is stuck in a quagmire, with polls showing him flattening out in both Iowa and nationally, fundraising a dead boat for him, where he has to use his wife to create a stir and get money from online donors and his pathetic radical liberal positions on everything. The guy is a big phony; such a dramatic change from 2004 makes Romney look like a Saint from heaven.


by American1989 on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 12:35:55 AM EST

Re: Biden and Dodd Carrying Hillary's Jock Strap (none / 0)

You ought to change the very poor title of this diary.


by lafinur on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 01:01:02 AM EST

The Adults Put Obama In Timeout (none / 0)

Obama would do well to heed the advise of the adults, like Biden, Clinton, and Dodd.

As the recent polling suggests, they aren't the only ones taking issue with Obama's increasingly erratic foreign policy, military, and diplomatic musings.


by BigBoyBlue on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 08:47:31 AM EST


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