Is Support for the War Rising?

Over at Talking Points Memo, Josh Marshall asks whether new USA Today/Gallup polling showing an uptick in support for President Bush's escalation policy in Iraq is statistical "noise or change." The numbers Josh points to read as follows:

USA TODAY's Susan Page reports that President Bush is making some headway in arguing that the increase in U.S. troops in Iraq is showing military progress.

In the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, taken Friday through Sunday, the proportion of those who said the additional troops are "making the situation better" rose to 31% from 22% a month ago. Those who said it was "not making much difference" dropped to 41% from 51%.

About the same number said it was making things worse: 24% now, 25% a month ago.

Given these numbers, it might indeed seem that the President's position on Iraq is improving. Perhaps. But take a look at some of the other results from the polling and the picture becomes significantly more murky. Specifically, the poll finds that "two-thirds of those surveyed still support [favor removing virtually all U.S. troops from Iraq by next April 1]", a number that is slightly down but nonetheless represents an overwhelming majority.

Looking at some polling conducted roughly in the same time period as the Gallup survey, a new Newsweek poll shows that fewer Americans say it was the right decision to invade Iraq than at any point before. What's more, the 35 percent saying it was the right decision is seven percentage points lower than the proportion voicing this same position just three weeks earlier, perhaps indicating that support for the war is on the wane rather than on the rise.

My sense is that a lot of this is in fact statistical noise and that while numbers will move up and down marginally (and perhaps even statistifically significantly) they will still show a large majority of Americans supporting an end to the war in Iraq in the near term. And as such candidates, predominantly Republicans, who continue to support the Iraq War will find themselves in a terribly difficult position next year when they have to face voters in their states and districts.



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Re: Is Support for the War Rising? (none / 0)

The new Rasmussen poll is also showing the same numbers so it cant be just noise.

Im a bit surprised by those numbers though.

My guess is that it has something to do with last months U.S casualty being way down in compare to previous months so this could've been seen as a measure bar to the public on whether the surge is working.


by JaeHood on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 06:40:42 PM EST

Yep. (none / 0)

Casualties generally go down during the Summer.  The general public hasn't made that link.


by Ramo on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 06:55:02 PM EST
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More like a full frontal offensive by the Right Wing Noise machine...  the propoganda efforts are out in full force!

It is a concern...  We know that Petreaus is going to come back telling everyone that everything is just dandy over there, no matter what the reality is...

It will complicate matters significantly next month...

I'm not sure what strategy we have to counter it, quite honestly.

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 11:27:36 PM EST
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Perhaps Republican respondents are rallying to Bush?


by RandyMI on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 06:47:35 PM EST

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Hmm, I might be more confident about its being statistical noise if Bush's approval rating weren't seeing a slight uptick as well.


by Todd Beeton on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 06:54:03 PM EST

Republicans are over being butt-hurt by the Bush (none / 0)

regime and his immigration bill.  In this country with our fifteen minute attention span, that's over.  The rightwingers are now into the fold and cheering on the war.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:00:30 PM EST

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If there is really some sort of stability on the ground, the number will improve.

George W. Bush is not going to pull out, that's for sure. With left wing of keeps on pushing presidential candidates to the left, I am wondering what will happen if Iraq situation indeed improves next year?

To bet your election success on the failure of Iraq war is as risky as to bet it on the success of Iraq war.

I'm wondering how hard liberal bloggers will keep on pushing on democratic senators and congress men/women if these numbers keep on climbing?

Just my two cents.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:03:53 PM EST

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areyouready, areyouawarethisisaprogressiveboard?


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:08:32 PM EST
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31 vs. 22? (none / 0)

Who cares, if support for the war goes above 45% I might care. But right now... the people who think things are improving in Iraq don't really matter.  And even if things are improving what difference would it make? Things are never going to improve enough unless we put in 1 or 2 million troupes, which we certainly don't have...


by delmoi on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:13:39 PM EST

Re: 31 vs. 22? (none / 0)

I agree, it's mostly just noise. But I'm puzzled why liberal blogs did not come out in droves to discret those war cheerleaders who claimed there's significant progress on the ground.

You have to take the lead in media narrative. I dont see any coherent actions by leading blogs to discret those two guys.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:18:39 PM EST
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Finally you make sense.  We are NOT any good at all in driving the narrative.  Our Congress is more interested in going on fucking vacation.

We need to pound the drum.  It also doesn't help that our whip (Jim Clyburn) publicly muses about what will happen to Dems' electoral chances if the surge "goes well."


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:25:48 PM EST
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Re: 31 vs. 22? (3.00 / 1)

My point is that any progress on the ground is temporary and non-sustainable. However, many liberal blog frontpagers did not come out strongly against those two guys who claimed there was some 'real' progress.

They should use the exact same tactics to first discret those two guys. I'm really puzzled by any coordinated efforts. Maybe everybody is caught in Obama frenzy?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:28:52 PM EST
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Re: 31 vs. 22? (none / 0)

O'Hanlon was ripped on every progressive blog I saw. Here is a sample:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne d=us&q=o%27hanlon&btnG=Search+Ne ws


by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:14:46 PM EST
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Re: Is Support for the War Rising? (3.00 / 1)

When I read about this first thing this morning I was perplexed at first. As the day drew on I came to the decision that this is a fluke. The war is not going well and our Democratic candidates are fighting over lobbyists. It's stupid. I do not believe that the American public supports this war.


by DoIT on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:41:58 PM EST

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If you listen to the radio, NPR or such, or read the papers NYT...WaPo you will 'realize' that the 'Surge is  Working' is the news of the day.

Did anyone here really think the corporatist liars of the media would suddenly start telling the truth?

They are not and so the polling shows.


by Pericles on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 07:58:44 PM EST

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I'm not surprised.

They've been putting a full-court press on hyping the surge--not only Bush, but the shills in the Pentagon and Congress too.

I'd expect an uptick, just like there was an uptick after they (allegedly) turned power over, had elections or any number of other "turning points."

It doesn't matter. The mission was doomed from the bigging and Bush is too incompetent to turn a bad plan into a winning one. (Kerry might have turned it around, with a little luck.)

I wouldn't hire Bush to haul my garbage. He will fail. He always fails.


by Bush Bites on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:00:19 PM EST

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I keep wondering if the American people are that dumb. That's the only thing I could think of.  Either that, or the those polls are manipulated to reflect a political position, mostly the administration's.


Can you say with a straight face that Hillary has been a strong leader in the Senate?
by AnthonyMason2k6 on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:13:53 PM EST

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Yes the American people are that dumb and the only reason bush's numbers dropped was because of immigration not because of iraq in that time period where they dropped the lowest. Republicans don't like illegal aliens being given amnesty


by orin76 on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:41:48 PM EST

Not surprising (none / 0)

This isn't surprising at all. Bush has tried to turn the whole Iraq war into a battle against Al Qaeda, and so he's able to point to successes in Anbar where Sunni insurgents have turned against Al Qaeda.  

The problem with this argument, of course, is that while many Sunnis have turned against Al Qaeda, they haven't turned toward the Shi'ite-led government. The tactical victory in isolating AQI in Anbar has helped bolster support for the surge among those Americans who don't pay much attention to the larger picture there. The fundamental dynamics of the Iraqi civil war are the same as before. Sunnis are still killing Shi'ites and Shi'ites are still killing Sunnis. Shi'ites think they should run the government as they wish and Sunnis refuse to accept their status as minorities.

This is why the political failures in Iraq are so important, and so devastating to Bush. Petraeus and Gates have made a big stink about the primacy of Iraqi politics in solving the general crisis. Neither Petraeus nor Gates can or will back away from those statements, so the utter failure of Iraq's Parliament to solve any of the big issues - and the Sunnis to even stay in the government - will play a big role in the September report. It's for these reasons, BTW, that Crocker and the White House are trying to downplay the importance of these political benchmarks. But nobody else in Washington - in either party - will let them get away with it. After all, it's one thing to blast a military policy, and another to blast a bunch of self-interested politicians in another country for failing to get their act together.

So I wouldn't sweat the uptick in support for the surge. I think it's genuine, but it's based on a short-sighted and misguided political strategy from the White House to base everything on Al Qaeda. Reality will haunt Bush again.


by elrod on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 09:36:24 PM EST

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I don't care about polls and some mythical support for the war. This war is a crime no matter what its current popularity.

Get the Hell out, now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lost in Paradise An American retired in the Republika Ng Pilipinas. I voted with my feet.
by shann on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 05:50:10 AM EST

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A major problem, as usual, is that the Democrats let Bush get away with his misleading, often utterly false, propaganda. He likes to emphasize occasional temporary gains on the ground. But what really counts is what the Iraq leaders are doing, not making peace with each other and building their country, but fighting each other more and more. This should be emphasized. Why aren't we? For more discussion of this see my blog
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randomabsurdities.wordpress.com

 


RM
by rmirman on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 06:32:52 AM EST

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It's not statistical noise -- it's the result of deliberate propaganda from Limbaugh, Hannity, and the rest that the surge is making marginal improvements in the military situation, even if the political situation is worsening.

Why the continued support for withdrawing by next April?  Even Republican voters are tired of the war.   Some are hoping that the surge stabilizes things enough that we can withdraw, seemingly unaware that the neocons plan to continue the occupation indefinitely.


by Lex on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 11:51:34 AM EST


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