How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority?

The desperation and determination to win that ran through every second of last year's YearlyKos convention was replaced this year with an air of confidence, cockiness even. Not that the determination to win was any less acute, but November's electoral victories plus the fact that this year is not an election year definitely lent a different vibe to the convention. Putting the presidential race, which is more focused on the primary at this point anyway, aside for a second, this year the question on people's minds wasn't 'are we going to win seats in congress?' or even 'are we going to expand our majorities?' Those seemed to be foregone conclusions. Rather it was the number of seats we're going to win that was the question; and in particular, the question on my mind was perhaps the cockiest of all: are we going to get that elusive 60 seat majority in the senate so we can wield a filibuster-proof majority and advance, on paper at least, an unimpeded agenda?

Well, as I asked this of people throughout the weekend, the general sense seemed to be: "outlook not so good." Sure we could get 4 or 5 seats but to win that magic 60 we'd need everything to go right, including the resignations and/or retirements of certain compromised senators. The eternal optimist that I am, these answers, while reasonable, were not exactly what I was hoping to hear. But then I read Chris Cilizza's WaPo piece, At YearlyKos: Dems Set To Expand Congressional Majorities, which focused on a polling panel held on Saturday featuring polling gurus Stan Greenberg, Tom Mattzie and Joel Wright. Here the picture was much rosier.

Renowned Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg had some advice for the progressive bloggers gathered here for the second annual YearlyKos convention: Think big.

As in, big gains for Democrats in both the House and the Senate in 2008. "Do not think conservatively," said Greenberg during a panel discussion on the impact of Iraq on polling and the coming election. [...]

Greenberg wasn't the only Democratic strategist predicting huge gains. Tom Mattzie, Washington director of MoveOn.org, insisted that a path existed to a 60-seat majority in the Senate after the 2008 election.
Cilizza summarizes that path per a Greenberg Quinlan poll (corresponding strategy memo HERE) which focused on the senate races in 7 key states: Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, New Mexico, New Hampshire, North Carolina and Virginia.

More...

In the seven Senate seats, the average reelect number for the GOP incumbents was 37 percent, with just 13 percent saying they would "definitely" vote to reelect the incumbent. Greenberg referred to those results as "go get your shotgun numbers."

Asked whether they would support the Republican incumbent or the Democratic challenger, 45 percent on average of the survey respondents chose the Democrat, while 44 percent backed the incumbent.
And this doesn't even include Colorado, largely seen as the top pick-up for Dems in 08, Oregon, which is increasingly becoming a top tier pick-up opportunity or Alaska where a Stevens retirement (or indictment) could put that state seriously in play. That's 10 right there out of a total 22 seats they have to defend as opposed to just 12 of ours. Now granted, this doesn't take into account the fact that the GOP does have some pick-up opportunities of their own, Landrieu is up in 2008 remember, but as Cilizza notes, the fact that top Democratic pollsters were willing to be so outspoken in such optimistic terms says a lot about the confidence Democrats have going into next year, a confidence I felt in virtually every room of the convention center. It also reflects the growing sentiment that 2006 was not the end of the electoral correction on the part of voters, rather it was just the beginning; 2008 will be about finishing what they started, which bodes particularly well for our presidential candidates as well as for our repeat congressional challengers.

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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Uh, you forgot Colorado, which is the most likely switch.


by feynman on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:06:27 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

good catch, I guess I assumed it would have been included in the 7 states polled. 3 hours of plane sleep will do that to you. fixed.


by Todd Beeton on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:28:37 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

I think Dole could be in some trouble in NC.  But I would say that we'll probably be well-positioned in IA and SD, but may lose Landrieu.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:15:04 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Landrieu is raising money at a strong pace and hasn't had a strong opponent come out yet.  I will worry after the 2007 governor's race and when she gets a strong opponent.


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:31:44 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

An off-chance possibility exists that, as Jindal declines in the polls while Boasso(D) gains, and while Georges(R), and Campbell(D) plan on a huge advertisement blitz, that Jindal will go into a run-off. And you know the rule of Run-offs in Louisianna; Dems always win them. While that is still a bit of a fantasy, I think Jindal will have a much tougher time at getting elected than previously believed, which undoubtly helps out Landreiu for 2008.

Boasso, the very likely runoff candidate (D), MUST have a huge push to attempt to get the, among other things, 100,000 people in Texas(mostly Houston) as well as the other 100,000 people who have left Louisianna since Katrina. In addition, he must turn out the other displaced victims across the state.

Also, we don't even know how much racism will play in this election like it did in 2003. Jindal lost traditionally Republican northern counties, very likely because he was Indian.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:14:20 PM EST
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IA is totally safe (none / 0)

Harkin has beaten back decent opponents before, and now he doesn't even have a strong declared opponent.

I worry a lot about SD if Tim Johnson isn't back in his Senate office by the end of this year.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:36:10 PM EST
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Re: IA is totally safe (none / 0)

Harkin holds the record for Democrats.  As a US Senator and his first time running for US Senate, he has deseated more US House Republicans than any Democrat.  I think he's up to five and the only two who could are opting out.  Harkin doesn't have a strong challenger and will be fine.  These Democrats who survived a horrendous year like 2002 are very unlikely to lose in a great year like 2008.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:46:13 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

The biggest question is are we including Holy Joe as a Liebercrat or a Liebercan.

None of the potential freshmans in 2008 will be like Holy Joe.

1)Colorado
2)Virginia- assuming J. Warner is retiring and M. Warner is running.
3)New Hampshire- assuming J. Shaheen is running
4)Minnesota
5)Oregon
6)Maine
7)Kentucky- assuming G. Stumbo is running
8)North Carolina
9)Tennessee
10)Alaska or New Mexico- depends  of which incumbent is more vulnerable due to scandal.


by nkpolitics on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:40:05 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

I don't have confidence about Tennessee just yet. Alexander isn't solid, but it would depend entirely on who we ran against him.

I liked Harold Ford Jr., but to too many voters, he was a compromised candidate -- too DLC for many, but for a far greater number, "He's a Ford," and could never shake the reputation for corruption that his family has.  If Ford Jr. runs again, we don't pick up the seat.

Now, Gov. Phil Bredesen might be a different story, but I've heard nothing concrete to indicate he'll run.  But if he does, then you're right, Tennessee becomes a good shot at a pickup.


by gas28man on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:53:08 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

If Harold Ford Jr. wants to become a Senator, he's gots to get hisself married.


The words of the prophets are written on the subway halls
   and tenement halls
by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:17:59 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Alexander is beatable. I live in Nashville, and I can tell you that Bredesen would mop the floor with him.


by alipi on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:52:04 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Isn't Alexandar thinking of stepping down and taking a position at Vanderbuilt?


by world dictator on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:41:28 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

He has declined the position or whatever and it is old news.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:43:45 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

About Tennessee

Mike McWherther- son of Ned McWherther- a popular former Democratic Governor is a potential candidate as well as Mayor Bill Purcell.

Freshman Senators are usually targeted for defeat.


by nkpolitics on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:37:45 AM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

no Ford's problem was they were able to paint him as a black man who chased white women. Tn is still racist and it also turns off African american women


by orin76 on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:46:13 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

We really should count him as an real independent. (Meaning: we shouldn't count him at all.)likely to vote with the democrats on economic issues. Likely to vote with the Republicans on the Batsh.t Crazy issues.
He's just to unreliable for either side outside those issues to count towards any tally of votes.
"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 04:31:58 AM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Oklahoma and alaska are probally out of reach unless there is a landslide


by orin76 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 06:54:26 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

unless there is a landslide? What possible scenario could make voters forget the war, the economy, the corruption, and the extremism that is driving them left? You can count on a landslide.


by alipi on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:53:37 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

i just know the type of democrats it takes to win in Alaska and Oklahoma you'd need a brad henry clone in oklahoma and in Alaska you'd a more conservative version of tester


by orin76 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:51:33 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

If Stevens commits to running in 2008, after getting his house raided, I don't think it would take that much. Mark Begich, mayor of Anchorage, would likely beat Stevens, as he governs a city compromising 2/5s of the population, and 50% if the metropolitan area is included. Add in the solidly Democratic Juneau, and court the Alaskan Natives, and he'd be a very tough nut to crack.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:19:15 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Can't count on anything until at least the day after the election.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:47:15 PM EST
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At this point (none / 0)

I say we are very likely end up with around 54-55 seats.  We're going to need some strong candidates in states like North Carolina and Alaska if we are going to take a shot at 60.  Does anyone have any possible names out of Alaska?


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:08:04 PM EST

Anyone but Tony Knowles... (none / 0)

If the ADP runs him again it's a guaranteed loss.


by need some wood on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:14:24 PM EST
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Re: At this point (none / 0)

Mark Begich, Mayor of Anchorage. Ethan Berkowitz, house minority leader. Tony Knowles, former 2-term governor.

Mark Begich would be our strongest, by far. Say what you want about Knowles, but he came within 3% in a strongly Republican year in a solidly Republican state in 2004. In 2006, Palin was a very tough nut to crack, and at this moment she has something like a 90% approval rating, the most popular in the country.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:24:38 PM EST
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Re: At this point (none / 0)

Tony Knowles lost two statewide elections in a row now. Even if both losses have a good explaination, it will have an effect on his reputation and his chances. Ideally he should have something to point to as electoral/political succes since then before running again on the highest statewide level.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 04:39:35 AM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

I think we come up just short of the goal.


by Marylander on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:16:09 PM EST

I don't think we necessarily need all 60. (none / 0)

60 would be nice, but I reckon that 58 would be a bad enough bloodbath to make the Republican cohort due in 2010 plenty nervous.


The words of the prophets are written on the subway halls
   and tenement halls
by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:19:50 PM EST

Re: I don't think we necessarily need all 60. (none / 0)

It'll make them desperate and they will attack us with a ferocity never before seen, even in this age.


by djtyg on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:16:01 AM EST
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Re: I don't think we necessarily need all 60. (3.00 / 1)

stop being afraid of Republicans like a scaredy cat.

they are a paper tiger if we just show some balls.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 01:02:44 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

It isn't realistic, but 54 seats is quite possible with the probable pickups of CO, NH, and possible pickups in VA and MN. The next opportunity is OR and ME and things would have to get perfect to win those two, because they coopted the Democratic agenda. 3-4 seats more probable.


by olawakandi on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:21:18 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

4 pickups is what was supposedly realistic last year too and look what happened.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:49:22 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (3.00 / 2)

We don't need 60 seats.  It is a nice and magical number but not in anyway crucial.  Lets say for example Democrats were to pick up 5 seats pushing the number to 56 or 55 depending on how you count. You then add Snowe, who no matter what you think of her is not going to filibuster everything to death, you than add to that Voinivich, Specter and Gregg who all face difficult re-elects and after watching three or four blue seats fall are not likely to risk there own necks constantly.56 Senators is enough to throw Dem Weight around. Now I would love to get to 60, but falling short is not an actual problem.


by Democraticavenger on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:25:36 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

With that many seats, Republicans will be able to gain the advantage in 2010.

Just like in 1992-1994 and 2004-2006, when one party is leading all chambers of the legislature plus the presidency, they are the only party that can be blamed for the nations problems.

And when the Republicans still have the filibuster option, they can still derail us and call us the "new do-nothing congress".

We'll need to get 60 seats, and then we'll only have 2 years to get everything we need to get done before we lose it.  Because a majority that large won't last until the next election.


by djtyg on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 08:14:53 AM EST
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Don't overlook Nebraska (none / 0)

The rumor around DC is that Hagel has dropped his presidential ambitions and is looking to leave politics.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:28:21 PM EST

Re: Don't overlook Nebraska (none / 0)

Indeed, and our likely candidates? Bob Kerrey, who would be the instant favorite. Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey, who I think at this point in time would be Brunning, and Scott Kleeb, who overperformed in an insanely red district by 20%.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:28:09 PM EST
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Re: Don't overlook Nebraska (none / 0)

I get the impression that it's Kerrey's if he wants it- nobody's going to run against him in a primary.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:50:30 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

I think we will make 6-8 competitive races and win 5-7 of them.  Depending on the political atmosphere.  There is a cap on how good it can get for Republicans.  Bush will still be in office during these elections and his name hurts their candidacies.  

CO & MN are in the bag.  

NH & VA are in the bag if candidates retire/join. (Jeanne will probably run in NH, Jon will probably retire, then hope Mark runs)

Then we have to duke it out in ME & OR for possible victories

Then we have to pray for atmosphere and candidates to duke it out in NC and KY
(KY = Possible Stumbo candidacy and NC looks like it is still scratching it's head, but we still have a year or so.)


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:36:00 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

MN will be tough, I like Franken and I don't know the other candidates but don't fool yourself, this is no gimme, it barely went for Kerry last time around.


by verasoie on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 11:14:23 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Kerry actually won MN by a larger margin than people think.  It was WI that was nail-biter.

Btw, MN and WI had the largest turnout in the country.  Something like an 80% turnout in both states.  Huge.

MN is more blue than you think.  It just takes a good candidate and good campaign, liek any place else.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 01:01:39 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (3.00 / 1)

And the thing to remember about 2004 is that here in Wisconsin (and I'm practically sure this was the case in Minnesota too), Kerry outperformed Gore despite generally doing a pitiful job of engaging voters in the Midwest besides showing up a whole lot and mispronouncing names of cities and foods. (Is bratwurst really that hard to say?)

Wisconsin and Minnesota are always scary as hell but end up doing the right thing in federal elections. We're like a more money-pit-ish version of New Jersey.


by falsified on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 01:34:53 PM EST
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Wyoming (none / 0)

In accordance with state law a special election will be held due to the death of Senator Craig Thomas.  Current Senate appointee John Barrasso is likely to keep the GOP nomination.  Our bench is fairly sparse but Governor Freudenthal, who is immensely popular would propel this to top tier status.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:37:49 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (3.00 / 1)

We aren't producing the results necessary out of this Congress for that to happen.


by bruh21 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:38:53 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

With only 28 Dems voting against the FISA capitulation, I'd say that we need 32 new seats to get a 60 seat majority, and none of those 32 seats should go to Democrats in Name Only.

It's not gonna happen.


by rjones2818 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:45:10 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

I start every election year assuming we are in the worst possible condition and work from there. That said, if certain senators drop out and certain Democrats get in, there are two seats we can pick up quickly:

Virginia
Nebraska

Then an open seat that's leaning our way:
Colorado

A seat likley to flip because of a weak incumbent and a strong challenger:

New Hampshire

And strong challnges in:
Oregon
Minnesota
Maine

Corruption:
Alaska

So I am looking at an optimistic potential of 8 seats. Fow now I will say 3 or 4.


by RandyMI on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:48:28 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

And Alaska?


by alipi on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:50:43 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Like, oh I don't know, Ankorage Mayor Mark Begich?


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:15:11 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

It's going to take a strong candidate and lot of money

Or a prison term.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:44:56 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

1) Colorado

  1. New Hampshire
  2. Virginia
  3. Maine
  4. Oregon
  5. Minnesota
  6. Kentucky
  7. North Carolina
  8. New Mexico
  9. Alaska

I will be happy with the first 3 and overjoyed with the first 6, then I will cry tears of joy with anymore.  I also fully expect Grassley, Voinovich, Brownback, and Specter to retire in 2010 and Gregg's seat to become competitive as well.


by Johnny17 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 07:59:00 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Big if with Hillary at the top of the ticket...she might not do damage in New Hampshire...but I think she would in A LOT of the states we are counting on being competitive. Will she drag them down low enough to lose? Who knows...it could still be a good year with her at the top...but if some of the races are close, she could very well be the deciding factor against the Democrat.


by need some wood on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:16:58 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Republican talking-point alert!!!


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 09:28:45 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

John Edwards would help the most with Kentucky and North Carolina, since he's really the only one at this point who is in a good position to win these states. He would also help in Tennessee, which likely won't be very competitive, and Virginia, which if Mark Warner runs it will be in the bag anyways. Probably Minnesota too (given his advantage among rural voters)

Richardson would help the most in New Mexico and Colorado (though the 2nd is probably in the bag already, and New Mexico may not end up being competitive)

Obama and Edwards would probably be the strongest in Texas and Alabama, though I'm not sure about the numbers here.

I do think presidential candidates here would matter, and, suffice to say, I think Edwards, due to his strength among rural voters, would provide the strongest coattails.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:34:59 PM EST
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Do not discount the womens vote (none / 0)

with Clinton winning the Presidency.

Here's a TV ad that Clinton's ad guy did to drive the women's vote in 2006.


by hwc on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:29:15 AM EST
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Link to TV ad (none / 0)

I guess I should add the link, huh?

http://www.nywomenvote.org/


by hwc on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:32:14 AM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Has this ever been replicated in polling? (Not saying you're wrong necessarily, but I've just never seen the nerdy numbers behind this assertion.)


by falsified on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 01:36:22 PM EST
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60 Seats in 2010 is VERY reasonable (none / 0)

Say we pick up 6 seats in 2008 out of what seems like about 12 potentially vulnerable seats:  NH, CO, VA, OR, MN, ME, NE, TX, NC, NM, KY, and OK.  Then we need three more (if we can count Lieberman) out of plenty of vulnerable seats in 2010 (Bunning, Voinovich, Brownback, Coburn, Gregg, Martinez, Burr, Vitter, Specter, maybe retirements from Shelby and McCain).  Granted, we'll be playing more defense next cycle, but it shouldn't be too bad.


by Ramo on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:19:26 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

We dont need 60 seats anyway, there would have to be strict partisan lines for a vote to fail with the democrats caring 58 or 59 seats.


bentheben
by bentheben on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:20:15 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

OTOH, the R's have been voting and filibustering on near-party lines on important votes.  There aren't any more Lincoln Chafees in the Senate.


by Ramo on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 08:50:52 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

However, the senators closest to moderate that they have (e.g. Snowe, Specter, Voinovich) will have watched republicans lose in their own state over these issues.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:54:43 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

    Even if we get to 60 seats, to have the 60 votes needed to pass controversial legislation, we'd need to have the votes of Democrats like Ben and Bill Nelson, Mark Pryor, Ken Salazar, Mary Landrieu and Evan Bayh, many of whom have made a career out of saying "I'm not like those other Democrats".

    What we need is 60 votes once, to reduce the votes necessary for cloture to 55. In 2008, we can pick up Colorado, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Oregon, and Maine, plus Virginia, New Mexico and Nebraska, if the incumbents aren't on the fall ballot as Republicans. That's 58 without Lieberman. So 60 would only be doable if we could knock off Dole and McConnell.

    More likely we would have to wait for the class of 2010, which last ran in 2004, to give us a two-year window of opportunity before the Class of 2006 comes up again. We didn't win any close races in 2004, so we shouldn't lose any of our current seats in 2010, when we should have good shots at Ohio and PA, especially if Voinovich and Specter retire, Iowa if Grassley retires at 77, Gregg in New Hampshire, empty-suit Mel Martinez in Florida, Jim Bunning in Kentucky, Arizona if McCain retires at 74 and Gov. Napolitano runs, and Bond if Missouri swings Democratic. That's 8 fairly good targets, 6 of which are in states which went twice for Bill Clinton, and the others (FL and AZ) in states he carried in 1996.  

    Think big!


by Ron Thompson on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 09:04:25 PM EST

Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (3.00 / 1)

I completely agree with your 2010 analysis, we do have a good long term thing going until 2012 where we will clearly be on the defensive. THat's a pres year so if we get it in 2008 we better hope we got a popular incumbent to hold our senate seats. We'll also have some opportunities in 2012 with probable retirements by Snoew, Lugar, and Hutchison (unless she is already governor, no one knows who the GOP is nominating for Gov in 2010, Hutch, Dewhurst, or shudder Perry again). We can also make some runs at Corker, Ensign and Kyl again.

You left off one important seat in 2010 though. Brownback has already said he will not seek re-election in 2010. So open seat in Kansas. Sebelius' second term also ends in 2010. Hmm, term limited popular democratic governor, open senate seat . . . ding

Also, anyone else think it is weird we have more announced reitrements for 2010 than we currently have for 2008? Both Dodd and Brownback have announced they are not canddiates for re-election.


by Trowaman on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:26:20 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Oh by the way, in reference to Dodd in 2010, I do believe it was a technicality in the FEC that he had to do in order to transfer his funds from his Senate campaign to his presidential campaign.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 11:00:55 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Also count on Dodd to run for governor of Connecticut in 2010.

People finally realize Jodi Rell has no ideas and no agenda, and disgraced former governor Rowland went on record in the Washington Post saying that she "threw him under the bus." Dodd has the Senate seat for life if he wants it, but would probably win the governorship if he really wanted it.

An open seat in CT would probably be lean Dem to  start: the GOP bench is laughably thin, but there may be a free-for-all in the Dem primary as it would be the first open Senate seat in CT since 1988. I'd count on giant-killer Chris Murphy (CT-05) to run, as both Larson (CT-01) and DeLauro (CT-03) seem very comfortable in the House, and Joe Courtney's (CT-02) low-key demeanor is perfect for his district, so I'll bet he stays there. Shays (CT-04) may not even survive reelection, and I'd bet he retires to the country clubs in Greenwich or Darien by 2010 anyway.

AG Blumenthal would be my top choice, but he has shown himself reluctant to run for higher office in the past (he could also run for gov and win big, but he's been rumored to run for governor since 1994 and it has just never happened.)

Of course, there is also our favorite man named Ned...


by ctman1638 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 11:20:09 PM EST
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Re: How Realistic Is A 60 Seat Majority? (none / 0)

Chris Murphy I think has his eyes set on the Presidency in the future, and I think he'll use the Senate as a stepping stone. I'd reckon that, rather than going for Dodd's seat, he'll go after (and take) Lieberman's seat in 2012.


by KainIIIC on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:03:18 AM EST
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(Good post by the way, Trowa and Ron)

But I think this is why the Kentucky race will be so important in 2008. If our likely candidate at this point, Greg Stumbo, ends up winning, not only will this add to the math of reaching 60, but it will definitely send a shockwave to Republican leaders seaking leadership: filibuster everything and you may just lose your seat, even if you are in what seems to be a solidly Republican seat.

Kentucky needs to be given our full attention in 2008, and (likely) Greg Stumbo needs to be fully and well funded to beat fundraising power McConnell, but also remember the financial edge that the DSCC currently has.


by KainIIIC on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:41:14 PM EST
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You're not likely to exceed your goal.  And when you said that every seat should be contested in 2006, you gave yourself a goal that could not be exceeded.  That was a truly Rovian strategy.  This should be the strategy for 2008:  A 67 seat majority.  That's 17 out of the 22 republican seats that are up for a vote. It's a goal you don't want to exceed, but it makes sure that you aim high.  If you don't aim high, you are not going to hit high!  And here's the philosophy behind this goal, that should be made known to everybody:  the only way that this country is going to be put on the right track is that everybody who has had anything to do with Bush MUST thrown out of office.  There must truly be a clean sweep.  That's a Rovian strategy.  It behooves us to remember that in 2006 we never thought we could take the Senate. To aim for 60 is to aim for mediocrity.


by Andre on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:03:57 PM EST

Hope for the Best (3.00 / 1)

I agree. Expect the worst, but hope for the best. We shouldn't concede any seats this early in the game.

Consider Wyoming -- two seats up for re-election, a small population that could be organized vigorously over the next year. Sure it is a conservative state dominated by mining and rancher interests. And the Democratic Party is probably in disarray. Still, any conservative with integrity should be angry at Bush for all his lying. And the occupation of Iraq, the poor economy, bridges falling down, Attorney Generals lying and laughing, CIA agents being outed -- all of these should rankle anyone who cares about this country. It is possible that any reasonable Democrat could win in Wyoming in 2008.

Of course, the media will skew everything. Of course, the Republicans will steal votes. But Americans are rightfully angry. We may have a unique situation here in which we might be able to get rid of some of the most corrupt and Right-wing/wacko Senators. Let's not set our goals too low.


by RandomNonviolence on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 10:43:35 PM EST
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I think the eventual presidential nominee impacts the map.  All three of the current frontrunners help in some states and hurt in others, but it'll for sure make a difference.


by Lucas O'Connor on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 12:58:36 PM EST
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