Fighting Republican Dirty Tricks In California Goes National

As the fight against the right-wing electoral vote stealing initiative here in California gains steam, it has begun to take on a national profile, as it should considering that if it passes it could mean that a low turnout June election in California determines who becomes president in 2008.

Since The New York Times weighed in with their editorial slamming the initiative as a right-wing "dirty trick," it's begun to gain the attention of the presidential candidates. FairElectionReform.com has launched a petition urging the presidential candidates of both parties to publicly oppose  the measure. The first to do so was Chris Dodd, who called the initiative a "blatant power grab" saying:

"The process of elections should be above partisanship and I hope all Presidential candidates - Democrats and Republicans alike - will join me in standing up for fair and honest elections."

Next, John Edwards not only came out against the measure but sent his own e-mail blast urging us to do the same:

Help us send a message to these political operatives that their Karl Rove tactics will not work. We, the people, will not allow you to get away with this naked partisan power grab.

As a result, momentum against the measure is growing back here in California, even among local Republicans. The vice-chair of the CA Republican Party Thomas del Baccaro came out against the measure on his blog; in addition The OC Register, no liberal rag they, in an editorial called the initiative a "nakedly partisan and profoundly subversive of our constitutional system;" and when asked about the initiative, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger seemed unenthusiastic at best, likening the measure to "changing the rules in the middle of the game." Schwarzenegger refused to officially comment, however, as he claimed not to have read the initiative yet. Well, let's help him out with that, shall we?

The next step in opposing this measure is to force Schwarzenegger to comment publicly. Surely such a post-partisan as he would have nothing to do with such a partisan dirty trick as this, so my colleagues at Courage Campaign have launched a new effort to "Educate Arnold" and send him one copy of the 3 page initiative for every person who signs up.

Help us ensure Arnold receives thousands of copies of the initiative and we'll make sure the media knows it. Arnold coming out publicly against this initiative will help kill it (as his opposition to Proposition 90 did last year.) And if he endorses it, his carefully crafted post-partisan image will be, well...terminated.



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I have some problems with this developing story that you can probably clear up:  

1) The California ballot process requires that a Proposition, Initiative, Referendum or Recall be registered with the Secretary of State almost a year before it is put on a ballot. This makes the process public.

Measure proponents then have a limited number of months to attempt to gather signatures publicly that would place the measure on a State Ballot. They also must provide signatures to the Secretary of State in time for all those signatures to be validated -- then the SoS passes the measure to the Attorney General, who accepts or rejects the Legal appropriateness of the measure. The SoS then "Certifies" the measure for a specific Ballot and we all vote on it.  

In contrast; this particular measure seems to have sprung out of whole-cloth onto our ballot in one great leap, with no registration process and no signature collecting effort. What is going on here?

2) Is this measure intended to be a Proposition or an Initiative?  Yes; Virginia, it makes a difference.

Initiatives can change only legislative statutes and some Legal Precedents: They stand in place of Legislative Acts. They can not affect Rights given to us in our State Constitution, or other Constitutional processes. Initiatives pass with a 50% vote.  

On the other hand; Propositions are really Amendments to our State Constitution and must receive a whopping 2/3 majority vote to be enacted. I believe that our Electoral mechanism is probably part of our Constitution and therefore would require a Proposition in order to change. this would be nearly impossible to pass today --   But I don't know.

So anyway, I smell a rat. The reactionary blogosphere is silent. The progressive blogosphere leaves out lots of inconvenient discussions. The NY Times gets it wrong. The LA Times is silent. Our new activist Secretary of State is silent. Local legal authorities are silent. Yet you want my money and my time as a Progressive activist who is already involved with other issues and projects.  What the Hell is this story about, anyway?

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by blue73 on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 02:20:27 PM EST

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Blue--

I'm working on the campaign to defeat the initiative.

To answer your questions:

(1) The initiative's Republican sponsors are just waiting to get the title & summary back from the Attorney General's office, which we expect will happen next week.  At that point, they'll start circulating petitions.

They'll very likely be plenty well-financed enough to collect the signatures they need to qualify the initiative for the ballot.

(2) It is an initiative, not a proposition.  It will only need a 50% majority to pass.

Early polling shows that Californians are open to "reform" and that this looks like "reform" to many people at first blush, even though it's really nothing more than a partisan power grab.  So we're going to need to get our ducks in a row to defeat it.


by sfbrentb on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 02:32:09 PM EST
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This is a good partial answer. I think reporting of this issue -- even on this website -- has been vague and misleading, which is where my post came from.  

I don't understand why this is an Initiative, when it would modify the Electoral process as defined in our State Constitution.

I don't understand why the California Democratic Party isn't speaking out and working hard to defeat issues like this.

I don't understand why the California Democratic Party isn't sponsoring issues of their own for our Ballot, in order to put the political burden of reform back on the California GOP.  We don't have any ballot measures of our own coming up in February or June; do we?

Why haven't the LA Times, Debra Bowen, and other well-known Californians spoken up regarding this measure?  Barbara Boxer by herself does not a movement make.

As a strong progressive, I am very disappointed in the California Democratic Party. Another website loosely associated with this one has invented the term "bush dogs" to describe Democrats who do very little other than to support George Bush.  I think their term "bush dog" could be applied to the entire California Democratic Party (minus a very few elected Democrats).

We Registered Democrats in California have a serious problem with our State Democratic Party, the politicians it has elected, the issues it ignores and the reform steps it consistently refuses to take.

The first step in improving our party, is to admit that our party isn't perfect and then start itemizing the ways in which it has failed us. The second step, is to define an agenda of reforms that our own Party has to undertake, to continue to influence governance in our names.

I think this is an important issue to raise here because it represents so much of this two-step problem... starting with a lack of leadership on this issue.  Until our own Party officials and officeholders get off their butts and DO SOMETHING THEMSELVES about this Republican power-grab, I strongly feel that my own time spent on this issue as a local activist would be wasted.

b73


by blue73 on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 05:09:41 PM EST
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I heard somewhere that Democrats were preparing a competing measure to implement the popular vote proposal (only going into effect once 270 electoral votes worth do so).  The Democratic measure would take precedence over the Republican one if both passed and the Democratic one got more votes.  Is the Democratic one actually happening?

Not that I expect the Republican initiative to get past 40%, of course... it will cost a bunch of money to ensure a sound defeat, though.


by CA Pol Junkie on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 05:31:15 PM EST
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I spoke to Larry Sabato and Charlie Cook about this and they are certain that this will not come to pass..there will be no change in the electoral allocation.


by Boilermaker on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 10:01:04 AM EST
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Yes, let's fight this Republican dirty trick by endorsing a non partisan redistricting plan that would emphasize competitiveness as the main criteria for each new district.  Stop the incumbent protection scam in California and lets fight for every district.


by Demo Dan in Dayton on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 04:58:43 PM EST

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This thing is a power grab because, as I understand it, it applies to the current election cycle.  It would be "reform" if it proposed to change the elector allocation starting with the next cycle.  Not necessarily good "reform", but at least worth debating.

BTW, isn't Jerry Brown still AG in CA?  Does he have any influence over the process?

-- TP


by Rethymniotis on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 05:06:41 PM EST

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... exactly the point I made in another post. Jerry Brown has been dead-silent. Debra Bowen has been dead-silent. The only person to speak up against the initiative is (Surprise!!) Arnold Swartzenegger; a REPUBLICAN. I am so goddam embarrassed for the Democratic party I could just Sh*t.  

The party needs to be reformed in order to become more responsive to voters' needs, and more assertive when working to address our needs. Today, there is no legal or political mechanism that voter-activists can use in order to reform their State Party.  Sadly, Jerry Brown is not part of the answer here.

Our last Attorney General (Lockyer) was not any  good, either. He quietly let Enron and other Cheney-friendly utility companies almost completely off the hook for the utility fraud they perpetrated on all of us six years ago. He made no charges. He held no press conferences. He brought nothing to trial. He quietly settled for about a tenth of a cent on the dollar for the $45 billion dollars that Utilities swindled from us -- and we ARE talking about fraud here. With Democrats like Lockyer and Brown; it's no wonder that registered independents here often vote Republican.

Real, sensible political reform gets lost in battles like this. Should we hold open-ballot primaries and have instant runoff elections? How should we nominate and elect candidates for President? Should we be able to recall Federal officials, like Diane Feinstein who is a "Bush" Democrat? Why don't we put together a new, fair, practical mechanism to control Recall, Initiative and Proposition ballot measures, that keeps Corporations from buying their way onto our Ballots? Why don't we make our OWN State redistricting proposal? Why aren't we requiring large local employers to pay some of the retraining costs for the TWO MILLION skilled workers they've laid off here in the last four years? ... And where is Sheila Kuehl's single-payer Health Care measure? Why haven't Democrats led the way on ANY of these issues?  

Christ, I'm sick of these people.

b73


by blue73 on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 05:34:08 PM EST
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I'm against this and all, but isn't it pretty much the same as what we did are trying to do in North Carolina through the legislature?


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:07:45 AM EST


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