20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It

Disclaimer: Week 3 of the partisan candidate diaries. I am not associated with any of the campaigns, just a long-time observer of Democratic presidential politics and the father of a college daughter.

This week, I thought I would move in a more post-partisan direction. This diary looks at a campaign strategy that will benefit any Democratic candidate (including, of course,  my girl Hillary Clinton). But, before we get to that, something just to lighten the mood around here and have a little fun:

That was a public service TV ad  run in the 2006 mid-term elections by a non-profit group Womens' Voices, Womens' Vote. Here's another ad they ran in 2006:

So, who is Womens' Voices, Womens' Vote? A political action organization to research and target unmarried women voters - single, separated, divorced, or widowed. Why should we care? Maybe a few stats from the WVWV polling answers the question:

-- 50.3% of all US households are headed by an unmarried head of household.

-- Women made up 54% of the voters in 2004. 47% of women are unmarried. Unmarried women make up 25% of the eligible voters in the United States (50 million eligible voters, more than African American and Latinos combined).

-- There are 10 million more unmarried women in the US than unmarried men.

-- Unmarried women vote at a lower rate (55%) than married women (71%), but they are the fastest growing group of voters in the country. 2.3 million more unmarried women voted in the 2006 election than voted in the 2002 midterm. Married voters declined as a percentage of the electorate in both the 2004 and 2006 elections compared to the prior presidential and midterm elections, respectively.

-- 20 million unmarried women did not vote in 2004. 30 million did not vote in the 2006 mid-terms. A huge untapped potential that is increasing its voting percentages faster than any other group.

So, you ask: What's in it for the Democrats?

Married Men: Bush 60%  - Kerry 39%
Unmarried Men: Bush 45%  - Kerry 53%
Married Women: Bush 55%  - Kerry 44%
Unmarried Women: Bush 37%  - Kerry 62%

Stunning, huh? Basically, unmarried women are the holy grail, the whole enchilada, and the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for the Democratic Party in national elections...and will be for the foreseeable future.

Looking at just white voters, unmarried women were the only group that voted for Kerry. Married and unmarried men voted for Bush:

Married White Women: Bush 61%  - Kerry 38%
Unmarried White Women: Bush 45%  - Kerry 55%

Marriage is the key determinant of women's voting, across the entire spectrum:

-- Married working women voted for Bush by 16%. Unmarried working women for Kerry by 30%.

-- Married union family women voted for Kerry by 13%. Unmarried union family women for Kerry by 43%.

-- Married women with children voted for Bush by 14%. Unmarried women with children voted for Kerry by 33%.

-- Married women college graduates voted for Bush by 6%. Unmarried women college graduates voted for Kerry by 34%.

You don't have to be a microtargeting guru like Mark Penn to see that every unmarried woman the Democrats can drive to the polls, the better the Democrats will be in election count. 25% of the voters, the fastest growing group of voters with room to grow, and they vote Democratic by an overwhelming margin compared to any other group in the electorate.

Where are they, you ask? Above average numbers of unmarried women live in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Lousiana, Florida, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and California. As you can see, some of these states are crucial to a Democratic electoral college win. And, although I promised that this diary would not be partisan, I think you can also see why Clinton's poll numbers are so high in some of these primary states such as Florida, California, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and even states in the deep south like South Carolina.

What issues do unmarried women care about?  Their top six issues (percentages are those who listed the item as their first or second choice):

Get out of Iraq (47%)
Make health care more affordable (31%)
Keep America safe from terrorism (19%)
Improve Education (17%)
Raise minimum wage (16%)
Make taxes fair for middle class (14%)

It should be noted that 1 in 5 unmarried women have no health care coverage and 2 in 5 have some kind of government health care (Medicaid, VA, etc.)

Do these issues sound like the campaign speeches and TV ads of the Democratic candidates? Think that any of the candidates are speaking to unmarried women's top issues intentionally? Wonder why Clinton included "if you're a single mother trying to find childcare so you can go to work, you are invisible" in her first TV ad? Think the Republicans are pooping bricks? Their gay-bashing, anti-abortion, daddy-figure politics do not work with this group. Think they really want to run against Hillary Clinton, who is scary popular with this 25% of the eligible voters?

What about voter turnout? Glad you asked. IMO, the efforts that have been underway to target unmarried women are the hidden iceberg beneath the surface of the 2008 election.

Womens' Voices, Womens' Vote has been preparing for 2008 for more than four years. They used the 2004 and 2006 elections as dry runs, doing sophisticated market testing of registration and get out the vote efforts. They did registration and get-out-the-vote drives in eight states: Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Washington and Wisconsin. They did get-out-the-vote drives in eight more states: Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Montana, and Missouri. And, they did a test-market of mailings to all females on their 18th birthdays in 43 states. As part of these efforts, they have been building microtargeted voter databases. They have polled unmarried women extensively. (I'm not privy, but I rather suspect that Mark Penn and Harold Ickes have been busy building a microtargeting operation aimed a unmarried women. I suspect that's where a bunch of Clinton's Senate race budget went.)

The WVWV test markets were used to test four different direct mail pieces to determine which kind of message generated the best registration response as well as four different kinds of get-out-the-vote advertising. They tested mailing, second mailing, direct phone calls, and e-mail contacts to determine the most cost-effective outreach.

The tests contacted 2.1 million single women with 2.8 million pieces of mail, 1 million automated calls, and 697,000 live phone calls. They generated 100,000 additional pre-election registrations plus 400,000 contacts for same-day registration states. In their target states, surveys showed 25% of the new registrants listed the WVWV mailing as their primary reason for registering.

-- In the 16 states where WVWV ran their test marketing in 2004, unmarried women turnout increased by 8.25% over 2000.

-- In the 8 states where WVWV had their most test activity, unmarried women turnout increased by 10.5%.

-- In the 4 states with the most concentrated WVWV test marketing, unmarried women turnout increased by 13.5%.

-- The overall share of the voters represented by unmarried women nationally  increased from 19% in 2000 to 22.4% in 2004. How high could it be in 2008?

Links to WVWV and the charts with the data I've reported in this diary:

http://www.wvwv.org/
http://www.wvwv.org/docs/ppt/summary2.pd f
http://www.wvwv.org/aboutwvwv/index.cfm? id=4  

The organization is a non-profit, non-partisan operation. Most of their TV advertising was run as free public service announcements. Bill O'Reilly even featured a segment, blasting the Democrats for using "sex" to increase womens vote. I do not believe there are any limits on campaign contributions to this type of organization, so the funding might be huge. The president is Paige S. Gardner, a veteran of several Presidential and Senatorial campaigns. Former Bill Clinton Chief of Staff, John Podesta, is on the Board of Directors.

I'll leave you with another fun get-out-vote ad, this one done by Hillary Clinton's ad guy for the Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy Committee in the 2006 New York State elections. You may see a theme developing:

http://www.nywomenvote.org/

Discuss Democratic electability amongst yourselves. Grandpa Fred ain't gonna know what hit him, until he wakes up with tire tracks up and down his back.



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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

great work


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:07:32 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Grandpa Fred ain't gonna know what hit him, until he wakes up with tire tracks up and down his back.

I get the feeling though, that he is about to get the GOP frontrunner position in hand.


by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:20:49 AM EST

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Jerome:

I think Grandpa Fred will jump to the head of the class, too. There are serious issues with both Guiliani and Romney among the hard core Southern evangelical base of the party. They are looking for a savior and Grandpa Fred, even with wrinkles, lymphoma, and being "dumber than s--t" according to Richard Nixon, is the best they've got.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:24:58 AM EST
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No way Fred Thompson is a dud.


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by lori on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:29:58 AM EST
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He is a dud, but I think he'll spike to the top quickly. Whether he stays there or not? That is the question.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:43:44 AM EST
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I think Fred will flop in the first debate (none / 0)

and I'm hoping that Newt will then ride in on his white horse to "save" the GOP.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:06:19 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Can you tell us why? Your opinion is usually quite interesting, but I really don't see Thompson's viability.

I believe GOPers know they are in deep hole and they are focused on 'electability' this cycle.

Thompson will fade away IMHO.


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by areyouready on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:45:59 AM EST
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I think Grandpa Fred may fade. He is a dud.

But, the Republican Party is so thoroughly intertwined with the evangelical churches that their savior will get the benefit of the doubt in September. With Clinton, everyone talks about unfavorables. With the crossdresser and the mormon, the base is talking about "unacceptables".

The Republican race is impossible to handicap at this point. If you look at www.polster.com all the major candidates' graphs are going south. It looks like the Democrats in August 2003.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:49:28 AM EST
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Voter drives and absentee ballots are going to be the key for locking up the unmarried female vote.

This is the only solution for the democrats to win the 2008 election.


by Djneedle83 on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:30:59 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

I think that Clinton and Mark Penn identified the unmarried women demographic very early on in their planning for a White House run (probably six or seven years ago). I suspect that their microtargeting and the voter database Harold Ickes has been building will be formidable tools.

Furthermore, I believe that Clinton has been pushing the development of these women vote targeting organizations like Women's Voice, Women's Vote and the Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy Committee in New York. The efforts of these organizations have all the signs of the kind of test-marketing that Mark Penn does for his buddy Bill Gates at Microsoft.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:38:08 AM EST
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Also, the smart thing for Clinton is that she can use these non-partisan get-out-the-womens vote organizations to do the heavy lifting in terms of advertising. They have no limits on individual contributions. She knows that she will get the lions share of the single woman's vote. Yet, by using these operations, she doesn't have to run targeted "women's" advertising or overtly play the gender card.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:42:40 AM EST
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gorgeous piece.


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by areyouready on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:42:49 AM EST

if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

of single women who have never voted before, she deserves to win.

I think it's a very tall order to turn out large numbers of first-time voters.

And I think you and other Clinton supporters underestimate the number of women who strongly dislike Hillary. But we'll find out who is right in a few months' time.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:09:22 AM EST

Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

I've yet to see a poll nationally, or in any state, that doesn't show Clinton with a stunning advantage with women voters over the Democratic field or in head-to-head matchups against the Republicans.

That gender gap is what keeps Clinton's opponents (Democratic now, Republican later) up at night. Women made up 54% of the voters in 2004 and the numbers are even higher in many states. So, winning the women's vote puts any opponent in the hole.

The problem is compounded by the fact that "going negative" doesn't seem to play well with women voters. Clinton plays it just right with the "aw shucks, my opponents sure are talking about me a lot, now let's talk about health care and education and beating those Republicans in November.

The best strategy for beating Clinton was always going to be preventing her from crossing the commander-in-chief threshold. Alas, she took care of that one right out of the blocks.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:21:52 AM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

I think it's a very tall order to turn out large numbers of first-time voters.

It is a tall order. However, 2.3 million first-time single women voters turned out in 2004...and that was with a cadaver (aka John Kerry) as the Democratic nominee.

I believe a strong case can be made that the Democratic gains in 2006 were the result of single women voting in higher numbers.

Here's the thing. Women (54%) and single women (22%) are such a large part of the electorate that increasing their turnout by even a percentage or two is a big, big number. A number that is significant in many of these evenly-split swing states like an Ohio or a Florida or an Iowa.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:28:44 AM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

desmoinesdem:

I think the bigger challenge for Clinton is to hold her own with men voters. All Democratic candidates lose big to the Republicans with men voters, but holding the margins down is critical. It will be important for Clinton.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 02:24:43 AM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

that's absolutely right.

Republicans know all about the "gender gap" and they have their own strategy which is to get men out to vote.

1992 was famously the "year of the woman," the furious reaction to the 1991 Clarence Thomas hearings in which women voters elected Bill Clinton as well as Senators Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Patty Murray, and Carol Moseley-Braun.

But Hillary's health care debacle in 1993-94 helped make 1994 the "year of the angry white man" which elected Newt Gingrich and the Republican Revolutionaries. The Republican Revolution was fueled by misogynist Rush Limbaugh, who was famously made an "honorary member" of the GOP class of 1994.

Newt is gone but Rush is more powerful than ever, and his vintage Hillary-hating is now amplified by an entire army of talk radio hosts, male AND female. You can expect to see a whole lot of Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Melanie Morgan, Kate O'Beirne, and Karen Hughes on your teevee as the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy lets their women do they heavy hitting against Hillary.


by bob fertik on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 08:53:31 AM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

michelle malkin annoys me more than ann coulter


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by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 10:21:04 AM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

The problem the Republicans have in the battle of the gender gaps is that they have drawn the short straw with an electorate that is 54% women versus 46% men.

They dominate with men, but they start from deep in a hole. A big part of that hole is young men really don't vote. Turnout among young women is signficantly higher than among young males.

Plus, the macho messages that give the Republicans their edge among men drive women voters the opposite direction.

BTW, I disagree that Rush Limbaugh is stronger than ever. I do think you raise an interesting point about the new cadre of right-wing female pundits. Instead of adapting their message to broaden their demographic reach, the Republicans have enlisted a handful of token women (and African American) pundits to put a different face on the same old message.

As for media exposure, the WVWV surveys showed that unmarried women listed to less talk radio and less cable news than unmarried men. They are more likely to watch their local news broadcasts (morning and evening) which is why its important for candidates to address local issues in local markets.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 12:12:35 PM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

Interesting that you bring up Rush Limbaugh in this diary.  I actually listened to him some (masochism, I know!) in the runup to the 2006 mid-term election to get an idea of the spin the right-wing was attempting to poo-poo the polls that had the GOP losing big.   He had a segment on it ca. Oct. 2006 in which a Gallup survey pointed out that for the first time unmarried women had replaced married women in number, for the first time in history there were now more unmarried women in the US than those who are married.   Given these numbers outlined here it is obvious why even Limbaugh realized that that spelled bad news for the GOP, longterm.  

It is not just this demographic that is making it likely that Democrats are looking at holding a political majority for some time (there are is also rapid growth of the Hispanic demographic, youth voters strongly turning their backs on the GOP, etc.)  


by georgep on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:11:34 PM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

The key for the Democrats lies with not overplaying their hand. If the party elites go nuts and interpret the demographic changes as a mandate for extreme left positions, they'll hand in right back to the Republicans. The battle, in American politics, is always for the middle ground.

It's important to note that the third most important issue to single women is "keeping America safe from terrorism". It's almost certainly even higher for all other demographic groups.

I'm worried that the left wing fringe will push the party away from pragmatic politics, in the same way that the evangelical right wing has pushed the Republican party away from the middle.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:55:13 PM EST
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Re: if Hillary can turn out millions (none / 0)

Maybe.  But single women who are likely voters(i.e.voted in the last presidential) are her strongest supporters.

Anecdotally, the only women I know who will vote Democratic and who strongly dislike Hillary are like you.  Reliable Demcratic voters, so I don't think they will vote for the Republican.


by bookgrl on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 09:02:01 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)


Hillary disgusts me!  Her position on many issues makes me think she will be the first republican female president.  I wish she would disappear.

This is what you posted in the past. I'm wondering whether this has consitituted implicit death threat against a major candidate.

I am dead serious.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:53:44 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

You obviously have issues you are still dealing with . I hope you find a way to work it out.


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by lori on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 02:26:21 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

The core of sexual harassment is unwanted sexual advances by the boss.

If we learned one thing from the $70 million Starr Report, it was that it wasn't the boss who was making the sexual advances.

Monica wasn't in college, she was a 22-year-old graduate.

She didn't file a sexual harassment suit - quite the opposite, she complained to her dear friend Linda Tripp that Clinton wouldn't go beyond (her) oral sex.

Right-wing legal "elves" (as they called themselves) turned Whitewater (a real estate deal in which the Clintons lost money) into Monicagate by using Paula Jones to set a perjury trap. They tried to manufacture a sexual harassment case for Lewinsky but even Starr didn't buy it because there was no case to be made.

Feminists were furious at Bill for betraying his wife and his women supporters, but they did not see Bill's relationship with Monica as coercive.


by bob fertik on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 08:37:33 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

There is so much evidence to show how bass ackwards what you're saying is. I'm sure Rush Limbaugh would agree with you though if that isn't where you got your argument in the first place...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 10:45:12 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Nah, reads to me like he just wants her to go away.  I guess frustrated that she is doing so well and preventing his favorite candidate from "becoming."


by georgep on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 08:54:18 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Your accusation is ridiculous. Can you imagine some of the things people might consider about you if they read through all of your comments for just one day?


by DoIT on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 09:48:04 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

This is just beyond the pale .

Someone , doesn't this violate the rules ?


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:56:39 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

I just dug out some of his past comments. Some of these comments are bordering on implicit death threat against a major candidate.

I'm going to take a look at his history, and will file an email to appropriate authorities.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 01:58:25 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

If you are a parody intending to drive readers away from voting for Hillary, you're doing a fantastic job. Priceless.  


by TomGilpin on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 02:13:33 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

The best part is when you refer to a death threat against a "major candidate", with the delicious implication that a death threat against Chris Dodd would be less significant. Seriously, kudos.


by TomGilpin on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 02:15:46 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Candidates are fair game, so it does not seem like a rule was violated.   Of course you are doing a good job of pointing out the flaws in the overall argumentation, which is for anyone to see.  People will make up their own minds, but I would be surprised if most here see it cooldude's way.  
 
by georgep on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 08:46:44 AM EST
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She is. (none / 0)

Yes, Hillary Clinton is a great advocate for workplace safety for women.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:07:32 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

   I don't see how anyone can hold Senator Clinton responsible for the improprieties of her husband. A very large proportion of married women have been cheated on by their husbands, so are you all going to disgrace all of them? In no way will I ever place blame onto the wife, because her husband acted a fool.
   further more who did former President Clinton sexually harass? Are you guys talking about Paula Jones? I thought she and her claims were throughly discredited (and she lost her case in court). Are you talking about Monica Lewinski? She admitted that she came on to the president first, if anyone was harassed in their arrangement, it was Bill Clinton (yes a subordinate can sexually harass a boss). Are you talking about Jennifer Flowers? She admitted that their sexually sessions were completely consensual, and she didn't work for Bill.
   Bill Clinton may have been a lot of things, but he was not a sexual harasser.
   Then you accused Senator Clinton of defending her husband. I don't remember Senator Clinton defending Bill at all during the Ken Starr witch hunts, and in fact I remember her looking rather disgusted when the sorted details of Monica Lewinski came to light. Remember when Chelsea had to walk between her parents holding their hands, because her mother would not hold her father's hand?
   In any case, how many people here (women and men) wouldn't defend/support their spouse against vicious attacks from an ex-lover from over 10 years past that suddenly re-appeared a few months before election night (Jennifer Flowers)? And how many people would really leave their spouses because they accepted an oral sex offer from an adult half their age (Monica Lewinsky)?
   And of course everybody is going to defend their spouse from fraudulent sexual harassment claims (Paula Jones).
   I thought this was all water under bridge. We know in great detail what all Bill did, thanks to the Republican Noise Machine and the 40 million plus tax payer dollars that Ken Starr spent witch hunting him, and we know that his indiscretions did not affect welfare reform, balancing the federal budget, job growth throughout the 90s, Making Osama Bin-Ladin public enemy #1 (before 9/11), or the successful conclusions to the wars in Balkans by the year 2000. Bill Clinton, despite accepting a blow job that few men would have turned down, was a great president, and after nearly 7 years of Dubya, a lot of us would love to see him as this nation's first First Gent. In fact I would like to get a bumper-sticker that says just that, "Bill Clinton for first First. Gent."  
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by fetboy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 03:49:29 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (1.00 / 1)

"I don't see how anyone can hold Senator Clinton responsible for the improprieties of her husband."

For doing it? No. But she excused it, and all of the other sexual harassment claims.

The only woman's rights Hillary Clinton cares about are her own.


by Pope Jeremy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 10:30:31 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

   Which sexual claim are you talking about? Former President had never been convicted of sexual harassment. Paula Jones was thoroughly discredited, and she lost her case in court. In any case I don't remember Senator Clinton ever giving an "excuse" for sexual harassment. She defended her husband against what overwhelming majority of people believe were fraudulent claims, but she never made up an "excuse."
   Bill Clinton was never a sexual harasser (Yes, he cheated on his wife, but cheating is not the same thing as sexual harassing), and Senator Clinton has never been a sexual harasser enabler (she has never made up an excuse to justify sexual harassment of any kind).
   Your accusations could be considered libel Pope Jeremy.
"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 05:43:35 PM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Is it married status that's determining this gap or is it age? More older people are married than younger. This is mentioned in the summary but not expanded upon. What about the divorced? There's a danger of mixing causes and effects here.


by lexluthor on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 08:26:16 AM EST

Two seperate issue - marriage and age (none / 0)

Or I should say two seperate groups.

You look at both.

Where you see overlap is of course where you have great strength.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 09:36:09 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

It is marital status. Married women always vote more for Repubs than unmarried women regardless of age.  Married women under 30 voted for Bush by 11%, while unmarried women under 30 voted for Kerry by 25%.  This gap goes up the age ladder and every other demographic groupings as well.


by mindermast on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 10:45:15 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

There's a little age component. Compared to the overall split of unmarried/married women, the unmarried are slighty more common in the young and the old. The unmarrieds are also somewhat more common among African American and Latinas than among white women. These are all overlapping factors that drive the strong relationship between unmarried women and Democratic voting.

However, the stronger cause is issues. For unmarried women, economic issues are real and personal. And I'm not talking about lowering the capital gains rate for those earning over $200,000 a year.

By the way, the WVWV group also tested a Spanish language version of their TV ad in 2006 along with targeted Spanish language unmarried woman efforts in several states.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 11:44:25 AM EST
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there are really 3 groups (none / 0)

of "single" women worth separating analytically:

1. never married

  1. separated/divorced
  2. widowed

There is a strong tendency to presume "single" women are #1, but it may be #3 that is the largest category because married women outlive their husbands by several years.


by bob fertik on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 08:43:30 AM EST

Micro-targeting (none / 0)

I now that Clinton and the Democrats (incl. outside interest groups) are working on this trying to erase the huge advantage the Republicans have there.  

If Clinton and other Democrats can continue to drive up the number of unmarried women voters we can win a lot of elections across this country.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 09:32:20 AM EST

Re: Micro-targeting (2.00 / 1)

The Republican targeted voter list is a blessing and curse. They built it, in large part, from evangelical churches and organizations turning over their membership roles. The Republican message and get-out-the-vote has been largely centered around the evangelical churches, much in the same way the ayatollahs work it in Iran.

This, of course, has driven the all white, male-oriented, gay-bashing politics of hate to the front in the Republican party...leaving them increasingly vulnerable to the changing 21st century demographics in the United States.


by hwc on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 11:48:33 AM EST
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Doesn't have to be that way (none / 0)

If you can reach people who instead want better health care, education, etc.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 03:18:20 PM EST
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Ralph is that you? (none / 0)

Run along back to the Green Party.

Bye Bye.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 09:37:54 AM EST

Re: Ralph is that you? (none / 0)

It's this kind of attitude that won the election for the Democrats in 2000.

Oh, wait...


by Pope Jeremy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 10:24:58 AM EST
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Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Repeating ignorance only confirms your ignorance, not that what you're saying any water at all.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 10:39:34 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

Do unmarried women care about the war? If they do, do they care that the woman candidate is a war monger? By the way, are the interests of unmarried women the same as the rest of America?

Speaking of women and Hillaro clinton, can you tell us how many Iraqi women have been killed ever since the beginning of the war hillary voted to authorize?


Can you say with a straight face that Hillary has been a strong leader in the Senate?
by AnthonyMason2k6 on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 11:09:22 AM EST

Re: 20 Million Women: The First Time I Did It (none / 0)

   Interesting that you would blame Senator Clinton for Dubya's mishandling of the war, AnthonyMason2k6. Most Americans were in favor of giving Dubya authorization to invade Iraq in 2002, and the real travesty was in putting our faith in Dubya to execute the war intelligently with a sound plan for the aftermath of the invasion.
   How can you hold Senator Clinton responsible for Dubya's lack of foresight, incompetence, piss poor planning, and criminal neglect towards Iraqis?
   Giving authorization for the invasion was not the same thing as executing it, planning for its aftermath, or taking responsibility for the Iraqi civilians. As a Senator, Clinton had nothing to do with executed the invasion of Iraq, planning for its aftermath, or taking care of the Iraqi civilians. That was all Dubya's assigned tasks, and he failed miserably at carrying them out.
   Had Senator Clinton been president instead of Dubya, I doubt she would have came to same the conclusion that Iraq needed to be invaded that Dubya came to, and if she had, I am 100% certain that she would have executed the invasion, prepared for its aftermath, and taken responsibility for the Iraqis with much more intelligence, foresight, and competence than Dubya and his Neo-con cronies displayed.
"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 06:05:25 PM EST
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