Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT THE GOP!!!

Okay, brace youself.

This latest bit of insanity from Hillary Clinton should leave everyone wondering whether she is even fit to be the town dogcatcher, much less a "President". The report from NY Post correspondent Geoff Earle is shown below:


By GEOFF EARLE
August 24, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday raised the prospect of a terror attack before next year's election, warning that it could boost the GOP's efforts to hold on to the White House.

Discussing the possibility of a new nightmare assault while campaigning in New Hampshire, Clinton also insisted she is the Democratic candidate best equipped to deal with it.



Now, this is so, so wrong in many ways: 1) from an understanding of the facts basis, 2) from a political strategy basis, 3) from a political message basis, etc.  This type of talk does not help the Democratic Party one damn bit.   In fact, it is the very worst thing that a Democratic candidate could possible say now. This is mind-blowingly incompetent. Let's look at the true reality here:


  • It has been Bush/GOP leadership that failed to protect this Country both on Sept 11, where several documented advanced warnings from both domestic and foreign intelligence sources went ignored, where they shut down an FBI unit investigating Bin Laden (John P. O'Neil). They also failed to protect this Country yet again with Hurricane Katrina. Any other future disasters is just further proof of their total ineptness on Defense and Security.


  • Its been a whopping 8 years since the USS Cole bombing and 7 years since Sept. 11, and Bush/GOP have not only failed to capture Bin Laden, but also terminated the CIA program that was setup to target him and remarkably has taken Bin Laden off the table as part of their so-called "War on Terror" strategy (that is a clear counterproductive failure to begin with).


  • Al Qeada has grown stronger under the failed leadership of Bush/GOP not diminished. Bush/GOP are responsible for this increase in hatred against the United States and the increase in terror risks.


  • It has been Bush/GOP that want to sell off the control of our Ports and Terminals of our Cities over to  the United Arab Emirates in Dubai-!!


  • It is Bush/GOP that created this failed and immoral policy of Attacking/Invading/Occupying/Destroying a totally uninvolved and irrelevant Nation (Iraq) that had made no threats against the U.S., and was known to be militarily weak. They did this based entirely on lies and falsified (cooked) Intelligence -which itself should be viewed as Treason. This unnecessary mass-murder has diverted our whole country away from the real perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attack, and it has inflamed new hatred against the United States that has made the entire rest of the World see our Country now, justifiably, as the World's Tyrants.
    American tourists have never been more at risk.


  • This barbaric and illegal occupation of Iraq, in addition to making terrorism risks worse, has also robbed our own Country of nearly 4,000 men & women, mamed & crippled another 30,000, and bankrupted our Nation by $800 billion dollars and counting. Our military has never been so decimated, depleted, demoralized, and unprepared as it is now.



So, why would any Democratic candidate, worth their weight in salt, in light of all this failure, hypocrisy, and incompetence -- seek now to try and portray the GOP as the strong ones on "terror" and seek to portray any new attack -- not as a GOP failing,  but (illogically) as a motive to support the GOP-??

She may as well also say that if another Hurricane comes along and destroys a major U.S. City and people are left to die, that this will also boost the GOP too.  The GOP failure, incompetence, and treason is equivalently horrific in both cases.

This makes zero sense on fact or as political strategy.  What it reveals is that Hillary Clinton still doesn't get it.

She still wants to buy into and continue promoting this false and easily disproven idea that the GOP is somehow "strong" on Terror, like Joe Lieberman, and that in order to be strong on terror -- you have to copy the failed GOP policies and the dishonest talking-points, which in truth have been so very destructive to the United States as well as for the whole World.

Not only does this prove that Hillary Clinton cannot possibly govern correctly,  it proves that she will just play right into the hands of GOP-NeoCon propaganda and perpetuate the many NeoCon lies and cruel myths about U.S. Foreign Policy (that are lies).

This does not help the Country.
This does not help the Democratic Party.
This does not help the Democratic Party win....anything.
This does not advance progressive policies.

Why is anybody, other than Bill Kristol, supporting her?

Here's a little tip:
Nobody should vote for anyone who implies that the GOP is strong on terror.

They are not strong on terror!

  1. Attacking the wrong country makes Terror worse, not better.
  2. Letting Osama Bin Laden escape and go free makes Terror worse.
  3. Using our citizens unnecessarily as cannon-fodder is not "strength".
  4. Bankrupting our Nation $800 billion dollars is not "strength".
  5. Sending our National Guard to Iraq, when they should be protecting us at home, is not "strength".
  6. Selling control of our own Ports to Dubai is not "strong on terror!"
  7. Ruining WMD-expert Valerie Plame's career is not "strength".
  8. Gutting our sacred American Civil Liberties is not "strength"!
  9. Selling weapons to Saudia Arabia (where 15 hijackers came from as well as Bin Laden), is not "strength"!


Poll
What is the correct message about the GOP performance on Terrorism?
The GOP made the problems worse
The GOP made the problems much worse
The GOP incites terror
The surge is working well for Bin Laden
I agree with Hillary, the GOP are the terrorism experts

Votes: 19
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (3.00 / 1)

Hey you know there is a diary about this ,

it's called  " Hillary Clinton can go to hell " , just a heads up.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 03:54:37 PM EST

daily (2.00 / 1)

Daily netroots comic.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 03:55:54 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (3.00 / 1)

Oy, now we get another barrage of similar diaries..

It's not a validation of the terror card, she expressly mentioned the republicans as bad on terror.

no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world.

This is saying that in case of a terror attack there will a segment of the American people will run towards the party who promises to bomb the most people in retaliation. And that would be the batshit insane part of the republican party.

It is a bit of a tasteless selling point though and I hope she drops it. But it's not even close to an endorsement for the GOP.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 03:59:55 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (none / 0)

It does not matter if she casually "mentions" later on that the Republicans are bad in some way.  She is promoting and selling the idea that a new terror attack would benefit the GOP.

It is political suicide (General Election in '08) to promote that idea...even for a second.

The GOP has been a textbook case of doing everything imaginable to make terrorism far worse, let the true perpetrators of terror escape, and weaken our own Country.

That has to be the new talking-point.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:20:34 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (none / 0)

She said it in the very same sentence, not just causally later on. But I agree that this is a line I'd rather not see repeated.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:25:46 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a (3.00 / 0)

I cant believe clinton supporters would even try to defend Hillary's statement.

Her statement hurts the democratic party...It give credence to the narrative which suggest democrats are pussies , and to make it worse , she seems to suggest obama or Edwards are too weak on terrorism.


by JaeHood on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:16:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says a (none / 0)

Didn't you know? Hillary is the BEST candidate on everything! she's also the only candidate being funded by Rupert Murdoch's media empire and vast influence on the entire corporate media.
We no longer see comments from Hillaries complaining about the media's compliance with BushCo and concealing info from the public.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:46:04 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a (none / 0)

Is that the only thing you could fall back on? It REALLY is getting old.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:48:27 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a (none / 0)

It's getting old that Murdoch wants to control more of our media?
I'll keep warning. You just keep on scrolling.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 03:40:56 PM EST
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Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 0)

I never cease to be amazed at how Democrats fail to understand why only two Democrats have been elected President in the last 40 years.

And have difficulty understanding that, when a Democrat fails to cross the "commander in chief threshold", it is impossible for the Democrat to win.

Clinton is absolutely right in her answer to the questioner who asked why she would be the most effective candidate in the general election.

Rudy is running on a platform of fear of terrorism. If there were to be a terrorist attack, the fear goes up, which plays into Rudy's hands. For a Democrat to counter that, the candidate will have to have very strong poll numbers among voters on national security and commander in chief issues and will have to have the political/campaign experience to sell the Democratic strength on terrorism. Should an attack occur, any Democrat perceived as inexperienced on national security issues will have difficulty countering the Republican campaign in an environment of elevated fear.

Right now, Clinton is viewed more strongly as being experienced and tough enough to be commander in chief than any other candidate in the field, Democrat or Republican. That is HUGH plus in the general election as it pulls the rug out from under the Republican fear framing ("waving the white flag in the global war on terror").


by hwc on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:17:47 PM EST

Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 2)

because democrats like losers, lol.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:27:19 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 1)

It's comments like this that have made me convinced the whole lot of you came right over from FreeRepublic.


I don't care who's the nominee. I'm voting Democratic.
by JWR on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:17:33 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 0)

Most of these bloggers only know how to scream loud. Their candidate will likely get creamed in general election. To have a Carter administration security advisor to endorse you is hardly a plus. Everybody knows Carter was an extremely weak president in national security.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:29:42 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

Yeah. That's why we were involved in so many dangerous wars under Carter.

Oh wait, Carter brought us peace.


by Pope Jeremy on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:39:41 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 0)

Let's be honest here. Except the far left corner, almost everybody believes Carter is a very weak president in security. He has damaged democratic party's brand so badly.

If you believe Carter is such a great model for a successful presidency, why haven't we heard any democratic candidate including your guy Edwards praises him and vows to follow his footsteps even their policies are eerily similar?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:44:09 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (3.00 / 0)

You sound more and more like FoxNews every day.

Jimmy Carter was a strong president on national security. Was our nation more or less secure under Carter than say, under Bush or Reagan or Nixon or even Clinton? The answer to anyone who understands recent history is that it was more secure under Carter.

You keep bringing up what your impression is of what "most people" think. (How you glean that information is kind of mysterious.) I keep bringing up facts. I don't care what most people think if most people are wrong. Carter was strong on national security -- stronger than anyone else we've seen in a long time.


by Pope Jeremy on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:57:02 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 0)

You make no sense at all. Most historicans give Carter no mark in national security. Opinion polls also showed that(I'm too lazy to dig it out). When do you believe your assement of Carter is correct while most people are wrong?

There are very very facts that he's weak on national security. That's why he got creamed by Reagan. People just did not approve his approach of dealing with cold war...

Thanks to Carter, there were three GOP administrations in a row. If it not were for bad economy, there would have been four or five in a row.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:05:57 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

"Most historians?" Name them.

You're just repeating GOP talking points. They've been rolling out the old "Democrats are weak on security" line for decades, and people keep falling for it because the Democrats never argue back.


by Pope Jeremy on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:57:49 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

Carter was not responsible for the Oil Embargo or the hostage incident (both minor compared to the biblical disasters that George W. Bush has been directly responsible for).

Doing dumb things is never an act of "strength".



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:39:59 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

Nonsense.
Jimmy Carter won the Presidency on a promise to have an honest foreign policy and to never start a War. George W. Bush was elected (sort of) by deceiving people in 2000 by promising a humble Foreign Policy. Bill Clinton won in 1992 by promising to focus on Domestic problems "like a laser beam".

Crossing the "Commander-in-Chief" threshold does not mean that you have to do dumb things, say dumb things, support dumb policies, or accept false arguments where bad policies are somehow marketed as "strong" policies.

     
  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never shut down FBI efforts to investigate Osama Bin Laden.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never ignore numerous advance warnings.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never lie to the Nation about weak Countries like Iraq, while letting Bin Laden escape in Tora Bora.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never abuse our kids uneccesarily as cannon-fodder.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never send our National Guard over to Iraq, when they should be at home protecting the Nation.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never transform America into the most hated Nation on the planet.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never Bankrupt our own Nation.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never sell control of our Ports to the United Arab Emirates.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never be reckless and dishonest with our Military.

  • A strong Commander-in-Chief" would never gut our own Civil Liberties.

Crossing the threshold, means diametrically opposing all of these policies.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:37:48 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 0)

If your candidate is so strong, why do voters have this permanent perception that democrats are weak on national security?

Carter administration's weakness in national defense, security certainly did not help the case that democrats are strong in security.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:41:20 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

> "If your candidate is so strong, why do voters have this permanent perception that democrats are weak on national security?"

The reason why democrats are perceived as weak is because they always buckle under pressure and give in to the GOP talking-points and false-arguments anyway, and never stand-up strong and proud for a clear, alternative Foreign Policy vision.

So, imagine a seesaw where one guy (GOP/NeoCon) is at the far end, and the other guy (Democrat) sits in the middle.
That seesaw is not going to move too far.

Nancy Pelosi is the classic example. She postures as being against Iraq, but instead of cutting off the funding (by sending up no new bills) all she does is engage in meaningless symbolism without any real show of strength of conviction for a different policy. She has the power to not send up a funding bill and she has the power to start an Impeachment Inquest, yet she will not even use that power that is within her possession.

What American people respect most of all is conviction and standing for principles..
The Democrats never do this though. Unfortunately, the people often seem not to care much about correct judgement, murdering people, where their tax dollars are going, or correct policies.  That's why they vote GOP.

How can the Democrats secure the Country, when they are too weak to even confront the lies of the Republican Party-??  
That's where the image problem really comes from.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:12:55 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

Carter administration's weakness in national defense, security

Could you elaborate?  What are the facts and figures to back up the assertion that the Carter Administration was weak in the area of national defense?  Were there DOD  cutbacks?  Weapons scrapped? Bases shut down?  Carter was a former naval officer (nuclear submariner) and my memory was that his administration was pretty conservative in the area of defense. No?


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:49:04 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (1.00 / 0)

He cut the defense budget, trained Islamic fundamentalist, the Panama Canal Treaties (that did no good), reinstated the draft and struggled in the hostage crisis. Just a few foreign policy blunders.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:59:39 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (3.00 / 0)

Cut the defense budget?  That would surprise me. Could you provide some figures to back up that assertion?

What training do you refer to? You mean helping mujahadeen fight the Soviets?  This was U.S. policy under Reagan, no?

Your opinion about the Panama Canal is an opinion about the Panama Canal. It's an interesting opinion, but not a fact or a figure.

The draft?  In which country?

"Struggled" during the hostage crisis.  Again an opinion, not a fact or a figure.  Carter followed U.S. policy of not negotiating with kidnappers (as I recall, they demanded he turn over the Shah to them, who was undergoing cancer therapy in America; Carter refused).  Reagan, on the other hand, sold Iran weapons under the table in a failed attempt to try to get hostages released (and to fund an illegal war in Central America), a political scandal of proportions not seen since Watergate.

Who were you saying made foreign policy blunders?


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:45:36 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

And Carter is credited (by both parties involved) with negotiating peace between Israel and Egypt, which is surely the most significant Mideast peace treaty in history.


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:59:46 PM EST
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Re: Two Democratic Presidents in 40 years (none / 0)

Damn, I lost this battle. First time since my time on MyDD.

If you would like to open up a new diary to discuss and debate Carter's record on foreign policy, I will be more than happy to participate.

Here I am preaching to "read" and I did not do it, I conceed on two of my claims, but I do not conceed on my claim that Carter trained Islamic fundamentalist. It was smart at the time, but detramental 20-30 years later.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:00:19 PM EST
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Re: Not according to Zbieg Brezinski (none / 0)

Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the most influential foreign-policy experts in the Democratic Party, threw his support behind Barack Obama's presidential candidacy, saying the Illinois senator has a better global grasp than his chief rival, Hillary Clinton.

Obama ``recognizes that the challenge is a new face, a new sense of direction, a new definition of America's role in the world,'' Brzezinski said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt.''

``Obama is clearly more effective and has the upper hand,'' Brzezinski, who was President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, said. ``He has a sense of what is historically relevant, and what is needed from the United States in relationship to the world.''

Brzezinski, 79, dismissed the notion that Clinton, 59, a New York senator and the wife of former President Bill Clinton, is more seasoned than Obama, 46. ``Being a former first lady doesn't prepare you to be president,'' Brzezinski said.

Clinton's foreign-policy approach is ``very conventional,'' Brzezinski said. ``I don't think the country needs to go back to what we had eight years ago.''


by BDM on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:06:32 PM EST
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Re: Not according to Zbieg Brezinski (1.00 / 0)

No. Brezinski wants to go back to what we had 31 years ago when he was Carter's national security advisor! Talk about the old ways of Washington. Sheesh.


by hwc on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:18:19 PM EST
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Re: Not according to Zbieg Brezinski (3.00 / 1)

If you believe that you don't understand Brzezinski's position and may have missed his cogent and independent criticisms of our foreign policy post 9/11.  Are you suggesting that he proposes returning to a Cold War frame of reference?  Because that is what dominated US foreign policy at the time.

Take the time to read what he has said over the years, I know you are basically a fair-minded correspondent.  He has been a trenchant and able critic of the Bush administration's policies and has used his gravitas sparingly at crucial junctures in an attempt to positively influence US public opinion.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:31:28 PM EST
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Re: Not according to Zbieg Brezinski (1.00 / 0)

I am familiar with Brezinski's views. I am also aware that he is the ultimate Washington insider, hardly personifying a rejection of the old Washington ways that Obama espouses. The only way to get more "inside Washington" than Zbieg would be for Obama to enlist Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell. Oh wait, I understand Powell is already advising Obama.


by hwc on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 08:22:10 PM EST
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Re: Not according to Zbieg Brezinski (none / 0)

I guess that's the difference between understanding the content of the ideas and policies espoused by various public figures and their personas as caricatured in the media and public opinion.  On that basis Colin Powell is also a respectable figure and Kissinger is a bit of a monster.  Do you see the distinction?

Phrases like ultimate Washington insider are anecdotal and hyperbolic.  Let's discuss the issues and leave the caricatures to the media, they certainly can be relied on to supply them.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 09:14:44 PM EST
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Hillary is a loser (3.00 / 0)

The public believes because the corporate media deceives.
There is no evidence that Hillary is "stronger" in anything except Murdoch fundraisers and war profiteers inside the cover of Fortune magazine - funding her campaign.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:49:57 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton HELPS OUT THE GOP!!! (3.00 / 0)

The GOP has been a textbook case of doing everything imaginable to make terrorism far worse, letting the true perpetrators of terror escape, and weakening our own Country.

That has to be the new talking-point.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:43:11 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton HELPS OUT THE GOP!!! (1.00 / 0)

Democratic party has been making this point for years. The key is you have to be believable. Voters still don't buy it. Reading these knee-jerk reaction from blogs to merely mentioning 'war', 'terror' makes you understand why independents do not side with democrats on national security.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:46:40 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton HELPS OUT THE GOP!!! (none / 0)

No.
Only bloggers and Keith Olbermann have. The Democratic Party has not made these points at all.
The Party merely talks about "mismangement", not the criminality and tyranny behind the concepts of these policies.

They fail to cut the funding for Iraq.
They fail to revolt against the U.S. Patriot Act and the illegal Wiretapping of civilians.
They fail to hold them or their policies accountable, and often use the same false talking-points to base their own positions on.
They refuse to Impeach Bush or even Cheney.
They refuse to fillibuster Alito to the Supreme Court.
The Democratic Party really is not doing anything here to oppose this administration.

Now, polls show that 70% of the people want out of Iraq.
They don't want another unnecessary War in Iran either.
They don't want Torture either.
They don't want their civil liberties taken away either.

The public knows that the GOP is garbage, but when the Democrats are too weak to even confront them on their lies and criminality, then the Democrats then just look weaker in contrast.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:23:27 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton HELPS OUT THE GOP!!! (none / 0)

Dems will not hold impeachment hearings because it would be harmful to Hillary's presidential ambitions - with the media comparing Clinton and BushCo hearings.
Obama even protects Hillary further by citing Republicans - claiming BushCo hasn't even committed impeachable offenses!!
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:55:22 PM EST
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Hillary's 2 faces (none / 0)

NYTIMES

Mrs. Clinton has said before that she perceives the threat from terrorists as real, but she rarely frames it in partisan terms. She was among the Democratic candidates howling in April when Rudolph W. Giuliani, a Republican, said in New Hampshire that Democrats "do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us" and that if a Democrat were elected president, the country would suffer "more losses."
At the time, Mrs. Clinton said, "We have to protect our country from terrorism -- it shouldn't be a Democratic fight or a Republican fight."

Is Mrs. Clinton now taking a page from the playbook of her nemesis, Karl Rove? When she was running for re-election last year to the Senate, she accused Mr. Rove and President Bush of playing the fear card.

So Hillary screamed at Giuliani when he attempted to use the terror-card as a political tool , but now , she's using it by telling democrats she's the only candidate who can protect them from terror?


by JaeHood on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:47:06 PM EST

Re: Hillary's 2 faces (1.00 / 0)

You're grasping at straw. It's becoming laughable. These sort of daily bashing gets you nohere in this little echo chamber.

This is pure smear. Hillary is saying GOP will use terror card no matter how badly they mishandle the situation.

She is making the case she is best equipped to counter attack GOP's fear mongering.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 04:52:00 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's 2 faces (none / 0)

Even if they use this sissue it will not be a winner for them. Iraq trumps all other issues.


by BDM on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:08:46 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's 2 faces (none / 0)

Actually, Ethics and Corruptions trumps Iraq today for the next election. Of course that could change.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/issues__1/trust_importan ce_on_issues


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:13:24 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's 2 faces (none / 0)

How is Hillary "equipped"??  Other than selling her soul to the owner of the network most responsible for selling the war.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:57:50 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (none / 0)

While the Democrats have made inroads on the issue, the GOP still holds strong on the issue of National Security.

Which Party do you trust more on Nationa Security/Terrorism?

GOP: 44%
DEM: 43%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/issues__1/trust_importan ce_on_issues


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:00:04 PM EST

Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (none / 0)

That makes the issue a tie. If attacked the Republicans will suffer at the poll's.


by BDM on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:07:34 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (none / 0)

You obviously missed my point.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:08:36 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (none / 0)

I still think that despite Rasmussen's poll Iraq is the number one issue for most americans which is shown by the vast majority of polls.


by BDM on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:12:00 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (none / 0)

You're half right. Rasmussen's poll is for the Congressional election apparently, which is just as important though.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:15:03 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (1.00 / 0)

You're wrong. There's permanent perception democratic party is strong on demestic issues such as healthcare, education etc, GOP has a lock on national security. Like it or not, it's a perception that has been stuck. So let's assume there's a terror attack, independents will generally rally to the GOP's side, there's no doubt. That's why Rudy is running this phoney terror campaign for a thousand year.

In order for democratic party to win, you have to at least counter attack this sort of fear mongering effectively. Whining usually makes candidates look weak. Fair or not, Voters have now cemented Hillary as a strong woman, a recent Rass poll gave her an edge over Rudy on security.
She is just making a case that she's best equipped to deal with Rudy's fear mongering.

If you candidate want to make the case he is best equipped, go ahead. Whining will only make your candidate look pretty weak in public's eyes.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:37:02 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more (none / 0)

>>>Voters have now cemented Hillary as a strong woman

No - the corporate media has depicted Hillary as a "strong" woman and dupes voters with her "inevitability."
She didn't sell her soul to Murdoch for nuttin!


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:01:33 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more (none / 0)

Are you saing Murdoch as control of CNN, MSNBC, the newspapers, online journals, and other local news programs? Is that what you're saying? Boy, I guess he really is the devil.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:04:00 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more (none / 0)

Of course Murdoch isn't the devil.

The devil is under his control!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:08:20 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more (none / 0)

If you don't understand the power murdock welds over the media landscape or why for example folks like me didn't want him taking over the WSJ (despite its batshit crazy editorial page it's news section is incredibilyt good) then there's not much to say


by bruh21 on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:38:27 PM EST
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Re: Who do you trust more on National Security? (3.00 / 0)

> GOP: 44%
> DEM: 43%

This is only because the Democrats do not stand up with conviction and clarity for an alternative vision on Foreign Policy.

The GOP only looks "strong" because they set the agenda and the talking-points, not because what they do makes any damn sense or actually makes the Country one bit safer.

In 2004, for example, John Kerry's message was that he would just fight the War better.  He didn't call out Bush on the criminality and lies and unnecessary murder and say "Mr Bush you have disgraced our Nation and made it much weaker!"

Until Democratic stand-up like that with real conviction, passion, and follow-through for a different Foreign Policy, the polls won't change much because the GOP will still be setting up the strawman argument.

But this does not mean that the message of change itself is unpopular or "naive".
The message for change is very popular and people really want that instead of the madness and insanity that we have now.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:33:11 PM EST
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Re: Here is the thing though... (none / 0)

Despite that Bush has done little to protect our ports and borders and the GOP failed to implement the 9/11 Commission reccommendations, despite the war in Iraq, the the Republican Party and Democratic Party are TIED in who voters trust on National Security and Terrorism. They don't trust Democrats more, they trust both Parties equally.

If there is a terrorist attack on U.S. soil, Democrats cannot attack the President because he failed to protect America, they will be accused of politicizing the deaths of many Americans. They will have to stand strong and with the President to show we are united, while televised speeches from the President will cause voters to trust Republicans more on the issue of National Security and Terrorism. Only after a period of time, when the investigations start will those numbers go down. An October surprise may not give Democrats enough time to recover from a possible spike in Republican or Presidential approval.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:47:14 PM EST

Re: By the way... (1.00 / 0)

Awful poll. You are obviously biased against Clinton and your choices are unfair.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 05:50:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (2.00 / 1)

Hillary has an awfully small amount of faith in the american people.


by sterra on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:06:18 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says (none / 0)

And, as usual, Hillary is correct.  Nothing would benefit the GOP more than another terrorist attack.  Rudy is running as "America's Mayor" fer chrissakes.  Once Rudy wins the Repub nomination, something that appears likely, it will be one 9/11 related ad after another.  Hillary polls high on national security.  Obama does not. John Edwards does not.  

Do the math.


by samueldem on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 06:57:40 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says (none / 0)

   Good you can try and put 50% together with the "pro-Gop talking points on security" voters I won't be part of it. Perhaps she can take ads out on Fox news to reach them. when it fails Obama will pick up the pieces from the stupid dems that fell for shit like she said yesterday.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:07:37 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says (none / 0)

Nothing works better for the Republicans than a terrorists attack if she were the nominee - because she has not new ideas.

If Obama or Edwards were the nominee and adressed why terrorists attack us and present a different way to handle the issue, we wouldn't cede it over to the Repubs.

This is a foolish, ignorant, niave, comment.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:13:18 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (none / 0)

This statement, along with her campaign already deciding on a running mate plus her statement to the VFW the other day, further proves to me that she thinks she has the nomination wrapped up. She is moving back toward the middle and no longer pandering to progressives. Wolfson and crew think it's over. We will see.


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:02:58 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (3.00 / 0)

I think Senator Clinton's comments were irresponsible and frankly naive.

I bet she's regretting those statements right now.  Sounds like she's ready to go the route of John Kerry and concede the national security issue to the Republicans.

What a loser.  I thought she was smarter than this.


by Namtrix on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:13:44 PM EST

Re: (3.00 / 1)

Did anyone read the damn quote?! She is not conceeding any ground to the Republicans on national security! She is saying she is a best candidate to RUN against a Republican should there be an attack between now and election day!

I'm done with this topic. It's getting old.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:21:09 PM EST

Re: (3.00 / 0)

yes the rest of teh quote basically says she is the only one who can save us- not the democrats, not the party, her. that's it. hillary for hillary. if you think this frame is better, then maybe you didn't read the quote as well as you think you did. this isn't the hillarycrat party. it's democratic.


by bruh21 on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:39:49 PM EST
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Re: (3.00 / 0)

Hillary is very self-centered. Only we can save us from ourselves come primary time.


by SocialDem on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:59:00 PM EST
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Re: (1.00 / 0)

I am sick and tired of your BS, not only misquoting Clinton, but my posts as well. This is nothing different than Rovian style politics intended to bring down their opponents by implementing their own version of the quote. I can't believe you have the balls to say the shit you do and then attack me.

Grow up! All of you!


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:12:42 PM EST
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Re: (3.00 / 0)

If you dont want to read what I say, then don't read it. As long as I can, I will post facts here.


by bruh21 on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:18:11 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Buddy I have read everything you have said and it is clear you intend to misrepresent me.

You want me to act like an adult? First, let me act childish for once.

So here I am to present bruh21's childish remarks taken out of context but yours truly, Rick J. Evans.

"she pulled a chenney."

"I don't give a shit what people are saying about her."

"don't let the door knob hit you where the good lord split you"

"I thought you were leaving?"

"I swear all you need is burping after you spew this stuff, and you could pass for a toddler."

"and yet you respond with a post because yo uknow you dont care"

"when you say centrist you mean sell out"

I have to say, some of them are rather funny. I give you props for that.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 11:54:34 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

by the way- if you want to talk about acting like an adult. the first thing you may want to do is look in the mirror and ask yourself if its an adult response to a criticism about a candidate  to react as you have been


by bruh21 on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:19:52 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Now, seriously, how can she be the best candidate, when she is saying that a terror attack boosts the GOP?
(presumably it demonstrates their policies are working????)

Anyone advancing the talking-points that the GOP is somehow successful on Defense (after Bin Laden, Iraq, new Nukes in N. Korea, Katrina, the Halliburton theft of tax dollars, the diasappearing Pentagon billions, and all the debt and bankruptcy of the U.S. Treasury)   needs to have their head examined.

It's the wrong message and a message that interferes with a change in our policies.

Hillary has just proven that she is, in fact, the worst to lead the Democratic Party.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:05:42 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (none / 0)

I am not a Hillary supporter and in fact dislike her a possible candidate very much. But please, cut the bullshit on this site. She did not legitimize Bush's policies what so ever. She is merely pointing out a VERY TRUE FACT. I have said many time over and over again.  THE ONLY WAY A DEMOCRAT COULD POSSIBLY LOSE IS IF THERE WAS ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK. Look at what happened every time the security level was raised.  Bush's popularity went up.  The perception of this country right now is that Republicans are the tough guys that can save us all!  Though I am sure since the awakening the left and the general public since Nov. 2006 has significantly down played this advantage.


by SocialDem on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 07:57:40 PM EST

I agree (none / 0)

I have said many time over and over again.  THE ONLY WAY A DEMOCRAT COULD POSSIBLY LOSE IS IF THERE WAS ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK.

I, too, have felt that an October surprise would be the only think likely to derail the Democrats in 2008. That's why I have cringed when one of the potential Democratic nominees dismisses the global war on terror as a bumper sticker.


by hwc on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 08:30:25 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton says a Terror attack HELPS OUT (none / 0)

did you read whatelse she said- she pulled a chenney.


by bruh21 on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 10:18:54 PM EST
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Here is the video (none / 0)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2007/08/24/clintons_terror_talk_has_riv al.html#more


by iamready on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 08:18:24 PM EST

Re: Here is the video (none / 0)

And to put the video in context, it was part of answer to the question, "Why would you be the strongest Democratic candidate to run against the Republicans in the general election?"


by hwc on Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 08:28:07 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

This is a "given," of course it would- I don't even see how anyone would even think it wouldn't- just more sour grapes clutching at straws.


by reasonwarrior on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 12:35:42 AM EST

McCain isn't "strong" on terror either! (none / 0)



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Sun Aug 26, 2007 at 12:37:34 AM EST


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