New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa

The latest numbers out of the Iowa Democratic caucus from Republican pollster Strategic Vision are out this morning (600 LVs; August 17-19, 2007; MoE +/- 4%). Below I have coupled them with Strategic Vision's results from June and May, as well as from the Pollster.com average from the state prior to the inclusion of this latest poll.

CandidateSt. Vis.Pollster.com
Edwards23 (26, 29)24.7
Obama22 (21, 24)18.5
Clinton21 (20, 16)25.6
Richardson14 (11, 9)12.9
Biden5 (4, 3)N/A
Dodd1 (2, 2)N/A
Kucinich1 (1, 1)N/A
Undecided13 (15, 16)N/A

The polls out of Iowa have some fluctuation, with one candidate or another holding a lead of as much as a handful of points in one survey and then running in third -- albeit within the margin of error of the leader -- in another survey. Does that mean that we're just hearing statistical noise at this point? No. I think the race is genuinely this tight, with any of the three current leading candidates -- and perhaps also even Bill Richardson (or, heck, maybe even Al Gore, if he decided to get in late in the game) -- being in a position to turn a little bit of late momentum in the state into a victory in the Democratic caucuses. Put another way, the race for Iowa, at least at this juncture, should be considered as much of a toss-up as these things come.



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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I think the race is genuinely this tight, with any of the three current leading candidates -- and perhaps also even Bill Richardson (or, heck, maybe even Al Gore, if he decided to get in late in the game) -- being in a position to turn a little bit of late momentum in the state into a victory in the Democratic caucuses.

Late momentum?  Do you own a calendar?  It's August not December 2007. This is a wide open race between HRC, Edwards, Obama and Richardson. In 2004, almost half of the Iowa caucus voters didn't select their candidate until less than a month prior to the election.  

And no candidate has ever gone wire to wire in first place in the polls through election day as the winner in a contested Democratic race in Iowa. John Edwards isn't going to break that streak in 2008.


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by Stephen Cassidy on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 11:49:15 AM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Late momentum?  Do you own a calendar?  It's August not December 2007. This is a wide open race between HRC, Edwards, Obama and Richardson. In 2004, almost half of the Iowa caucus voters didn't select their candidate until less than a month prior to the election.  

Yes. That was exactly my point. In this environment, any of the candidates should be able to turn late momentum (i.e. momentum in early January or late December, depending on the date of the caucuses) into a nice victory in the state.


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by Jonathan Singer on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 11:59:19 AM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Then my apology.  I read your statement incorrectly.


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by Stephen Cassidy on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:05:54 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Look to the 13% undecided.  That's the key number in most of these polls.  Whoever undecided voters break for around November / December, that's who's getting the nomination.

Also, if either Edwards or Obama bump out, the other will lock it up right away.


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by turnnoblindeye on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:35:45 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

That poll was taken before the last debate.


by allmiview on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 11:50:28 AM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Still I think it is totally significant, and I plan to further riff on what Jon is writing here. At least incorporate it.

The numbers here are totally interesting to me.
Basically, two sets.

Generically speaking, the first set is a two way between Edwards and Clinton

The second, between Obama, and Richardson.
IMHO this is due to Richardson (who gained 3 points) and Clinton (!) gaining ground
while Obama losing it, and Edwards looking like he's holding on.

Totally right on with the analysis. Definitely a tighter race. Its almost like Obama and Richardson will slug it out on the progressive level, and Edwards (no slouch) and Clinton will slug it out for the populist vote.

Better still, Edwards can roll up his sleeves and really get HRC on the go.  I like it.

Man. .. We'd better take all the sharp implements out of the room when these four face off again.


by Trey Rentz on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:10:51 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I disagree.  I think you'll see Obama rise to the top after his recent stellar debate performance.  

Also, I think the jury is in and people are taking Obama's side in the foreign policy debate.  Smart of him to quote JFK about talking with foreign leaders.


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by turnnoblindeye on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:36:57 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Disagree.  Obama gained a point between the last poll and this one as Edwards lost three.  What you said doesn't make sense.

As for your breaking them up into groups, Obama is right next to Clinton and Edwards, so I don't know why you put him into a "Second tier" for Iowa.  

There is 13% undecided, which is what they'll fight for first.  And last criticism is there's this thing called "Iowa Nice".  They don't respond terribly well to candidates attacking other candidates.  So you have to clarify what you mean by Edwards getting HRC on the go.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 02:04:22 PM EST
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news flash (none / 0)

   Hillary is doing so much better in states where no one is paying any attention! The mainstream media and Karl rove are having a much greater effect wiht least interested voters and least interested states. In Iowa just like the focus groups said after the debate when people pay attention they switch to Obama.


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by nevadadem on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:25:48 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

It looks like this race is now indeed very close in Iowa. It's going to a battle until the very end, which was always expected. Right now it looks like Edwards is losing the most, as far as his past support goes, however it will be interesting to see if he can pick up more liberal voters from Hillary in the future, which could be bigger in this particular caucus, considering there will be both Republican and Democratic caucuses this year.


by Progressive America on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:33:05 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

7. When making your selection for a presidential candidate, what are you looking for most in the candidate, charisma, experience, or ideology? (Democrats Only)
Ideology 32%
Charisma 30%
Experience 27%
Undecided 11%
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by CardBoard on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:50:22 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

At this rate, it's going to be totally unpredictable. Who is going to fade at the very end?  No telling, but whomever does, and slips below the 15% threshold across Iowa precincts, then look to where their supports head for viability on the night of the caucus. But right now, Edwards was right when he called this a dog-fight. Richardson is clearly getting close to being a top-tier candidate.

Can anyone run away with it in Iowa?  Very doubtful.

Can someone fade?  More likely, and that will be the key. Heck, if this is how it is going into the caucus night, it might be Joe Biden's 5% column that decides (if they go block across the state) the winner.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:55:18 PM EST

Edwards' Support Is Declining (none / 0)

In SV's polls: from 29% to 26 to 23.

Based on a sample of 600, the decline from 29% in May to 23% in August is a statistically significant change.

I hate to say that, because I'd like to see Edwards win, but what's true is true.


by RT on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:07:02 PM EST

Re: Edwards' Support Is Declining (none / 0)

I may mistaken in this, but it has been my impression that supposed "front-runners" in Iowa have rarely been victorious at caucus-time, unless they were already polling around 50% or so. Anyone have any stats verifying or discounting this? Edward's slight but steady decline recently doesn't bode well for him. It seems to me Iowa voters are already very familiar with him and his positions, whereas they're still making up their minds about HRC, Obama and Richardson.


by Mr Grohl on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:55:04 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)


Ya know....less than 50% of the eligible voters vote in the General Election....as for a caucus?
Here in Colorado we have a caucus....
In my caucus area in Denver... there were 2,800 registered Dems in 2004....36 showed up and voted...

Polls in caucus states are worthless unless they are limited to those that attended the caucus in 2004...


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by DenverD on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:11:50 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Polls in caucus states are worthless unless they are limited to those that attended the caucus in 2004...

I agree with your basic premise that it is difficult to screen for actual 2008 caucus voters. However, there are risks in assuming that only 2004 caucus goers will vote in the 2008 caucus. Just two of the reasons:

a) John Edwards is the only 2008 candidate who was on the 2004 caucus ballot and he had a sizeable vote in 2004. Thus, looking at 2004 as your only screen probably overstates his support as at least some of the 2008 caucus participation will be candidate specific.

b) There is no question that the female vote is a wild-card in the 2008 race and one that the pollsters have no experience with at the Presidential level. There are women who will go to the caucus for the first time and/or vote for the woman candidate because of the historic nature of a female frontrunner. The same is true for Barack Obama among African American voters, although that is probably not a signficant factor in Iowa.


by hwc on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:54:37 PM EST
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Caucuses & Polling (none / 0)

It is much harder, inherantly, to poll for a caucus than for an election or primary.  Caucuses are different.  It is harder to predict who will vote in a caucus vs, a primary or election.  There is less voting history with caucuses.  There is no absentee voting with caucuses.  Timing is inflexible.  Blah, blah...polls are fun, they tell us something esp. about trends but with caucuses in particular don't put too much stock in 'em.


by howardpark on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:19:24 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

No way!!!

Jerome's been telling me that Hillary is inevitable.


by Hawkeye Dem on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:23:05 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I think this poll indicates that the Zogby poll over the same time period (showing Clinton with a clear lead) was an outlier. Zogby's polls are always so off-the-wall. I don't understand why people ever take his numbers seriously. It will be very interesting to see if Obama will get any bump from the last debate. If he doesn't, it may be cause for concern.


by Mr Grohl on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 01:46:36 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

zogby's poll and this poll are within the MOE of pollsters trend for IOWA


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:31:44 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I doubt it.  Strategic Vision has always been one of the strangest polls in this sequence.  They showed Clinton at 16% twice, the lowest of any poll in Iowa.   I trust Zogby more than Strategic Vision in Iowa polling, although, as usual, ALL polls have to be thrown into the aggregate (even those one considers "bad") to get a decent picture.    What it really boils down to is that in regards to Clinton polls that had her previously tied (like the Zogby poll) were showing her moving ahead, polls that showed her pretty far behind previously (like Strategic Vision) have now moved her into a tie.   That shows positive movement for Clinton in both instances.  


by georgep on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:39:31 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Clinton's upward movement and Edwards' decline have been apparent since the beginning of July. Polling averages have indicated a three-way tie for the past several weeks. Some had seen the Zogby poll as an indication that Clinton was finally pulling ahead of the pack. This poll seems to back up the other two most recent polls (Univ of Iowa & Hart/McClaughlin), which indicate that that is not the case. You have to admit though, that Zogby polls have had a tendency to f@#* up everyone's polling averages.


by Mr Grohl on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:03:05 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Clinton and Richardson are in good shape in Iowa, Edwards is trying to hold on to any kind of lead even a tiny one, and Obama has an uphill fight to compete with the other three.


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by robliberal on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 02:20:57 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

That is total nonsense this is a three way tie.

ABC POLL WITH TIGHTER SCREEN(MYSTERY POLLSTER)

Edwards 28
Obama 27
Clinton 23

This poll had the Seltzer company consult on the poll. The same polling company that does the Desmoines register poll


by BDM on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:08:49 PM EST
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It seems obvious to me (none / 0)

that the various polls we see ARE consistent with the overall average plus statistical noise.  The race is that close.  That's why we variously see Edwards or Clinton leading, and occasionally even Obama.  


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by John DE on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:30:13 PM EST

Re: It seems obvious to me (none / 0)

thats bad news for Obama and Edwards. Edwards put all his eggs in Iowa, so he should have a commanding lead. The fact that he doesnt, and the fact that it is so close is bad for Edwards.

As for Obama, it doesnt really help either considering HRC's lead in SC, Nev., NH, and Fl.

If the caucus comes out this close, HRC will be the nominee.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:39:27 PM EST
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Re: It seems obvious to me (none / 0)

I wouldn't be so sure. The trendlines certainly don't look great for Edwards, but Obama has clearly turned around his decline in the polls from the beginning of the Summer: he's moved back into a three-way tie in Iowa, has cut Hillary's lead in NH in half and remains tied or slightly behind with Hillary in South Carolina. He's looking very competitive in Michigan as well. The overall picture indicates that Hillary remains the front-runner, but not by an overwhelming margin. I agree with you about Edwards: Iowans are already so familiar with him, if they were going to support him they would've made up their minds by now. But one could also make the same arguement regarding HRC. If it remains this close later in the year, it clearly benefits Obama and Richardson the most.


by Mr Grohl on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:15:28 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I think everybody agrees that Iowa is a tie right now.  That means the race will come down to organization.  Edwards and Obama, from most media accounts, are winning that battle right now.  Edwards has been there for years building a strong base.  And Obama has twice as many offices as any other candidate, and is outpacing the others in number of volunteers on a regular basis.  Edwards and Obama also well outpace Hillary (I'm just guessing - but am near certain it is true) in the number of Iowans who have donated to their campaigns.


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by CardBoard on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:34:41 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

No, it is coming down to the internals we have seen.  In the end I think Clinton will win based on the internals we have seen that measure presidential gravitas (i.e. would best handle Iraq, would be best candidate to beat GOPer in November, has necessary experience to be president, etc.)


by georgep on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:41:44 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Ummm... you diagree that getting people to the caucus is what counts?  And the internals from this poll don't look good for Hillary.  

Ideology 32%
Charisma 30%
Experience 27%
Undecided 11%


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by CardBoard on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:45:21 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

That is your opinion, but other's see it differently.

Little history here Jan. 12, 2004 Zogby tracking poll one week before the Caucuses:

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean leads Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt, 26%-23%, according to the new Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby Poll.

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry holds on to third place with a percentage point increase from 15% to 16%, followed closely by North Carolina Senator John Edwards who dropped two points from 14% to12%.  Both Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman and Retired General Wesley K. Clark, who have chosen not to participate in Iowa, fell a percentage point from 3% to 2%.

Final Caucus results:

Kerry 38
Edwards 32
Dean 18


by BDM on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:27:28 PM EST
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how would she handle Iraq? (none / 0)

Right now she is trying to be all things to all people on iraq. I think it will turn off a lot of voters who assume that she would withdraw troops as quickly as others have proposed to do.

I think that if Hillary were president, we'd still have more than 50,000 troops in Iraq four years from now, and that's not good enough.


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by desmoinesdem on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:32:06 PM EST
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Re: how would she handle Iraq? (none / 0)

In my opinion we will have 50,000 troops in Iraq no matter who wins from either party. Even if Kucinich, Gravel, or Ron Paul won the military and economic reality gives no other option.


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by robliberal on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 08:15:33 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

thats exactly why these numbers are bad for Edwards. HE has been there for years, and has more field organizers, yet still has statistically the same amount of support as Obama and HRC.  The fact that Obama has poured so much money, and hasnt pulled ahead is also bad for Obama.

With what you're saying, edwards and obama should be far outpacing HRC, but they arent. These poll numbers are bad for Edwards


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:41:55 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I think he was saying that in a tight race, turnout with determine success. And turnout correlates with organization (among other things, obviously). At least, that's how I read it.


by DPW on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:46:29 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

should say "turnout will determine success."


by DPW on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:47:42 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

thanks for the clarity


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by CardBoard on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:49:04 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

I think as long as Edwards is at the tie level he has a shot - but it does not look good for him you right.  I don't see where you get your opinion of Obama he has had an occasional lead, when once he was several points down, and has built a large campaign in IA... Plus these numbers don't include his debate performace.  Obama probably will never have a huge lead in IA, but like 2004, look at him to be the surge at the end.


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by CardBoard on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 03:48:02 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

ABC POLL WITH TIGHTER SCREEN(MYSTERY POLLSTER)JULY 31ST

Edwards 28
Obama 27
Clinton 23

This poll had the Seltzer company consult on the poll. The same polling company that does the Desmoines register poll,

The above poll was to show that Obama HAS HAD SOME NUMBER'S IN THE HIGH TWENTY' and ARG number's has put him at 15%

No professional pollster would call this as anything but a tie.


by BDM on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:35:40 PM EST
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Not really bad for Obama. (none / 0)

Some campaigns are top down.
His is bottom up, based on organization.
He's building right now.  You'll see results
in a couple of months if what he's doing works.
by chicago jeff on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 09:27:43 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

When it comes elections, there's only one poll that counts...


by JBaker on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:40:22 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Richardson is catching up to Hillary...


by JaeHood on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 04:57:53 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

Yes.  And another way of looking at this poll is Richardson is only 9 points from the lead in Iowa.


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by Stephen Cassidy on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 05:27:51 PM EST
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Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

his trendline is catching up to OBAMA


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by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 05:40:38 PM EST
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What does Wonkette say, though. (none / 0)


by oculus on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 05:33:39 PM EST

Re: New Polling Shows Tight Race in Iowa (none / 0)

none of this matters until late December, early January...


by rapcetera on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 09:50:34 PM EST


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