Obama and Nuclear Deterrence

It's kind of becoming clear that Drudge pounced too quickly before it was clear what Obama had actually said, Obama was wildly mis-characterized, and the AP article has been amended to correct the error:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons "in any circumstance" to fight terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama said, with a pause, "involving civilians." Then he quickly added, "Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."

Obama was responding to a question by the Associated Press about whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

"There's been no discussion of using nuclear weapons and that's not a hypothetical that I'm going to discuss," Obama said after a Capitol Hill breakfast with constituents.
When asked whether his answer also applied to the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons, he said it did.


Maybe we could learn a lesson about pouncing too quickly?  

But I thought I might try to actually respond to the substance of the question raised.

Where does Obama stand on the use of nuclear weapons?  It seems odd to suggest that he has never taken a position on the matter.  Here are a few from Obama's April 2007 speech on nuclear proliferation:

Finally, if we want the world to deemphasize the role of nuclear weapons, the United States and Russia must lead by example. President Bush once said, "The United States should remove as many weapons as possible from high-alert, hair-trigger status - another unnecessary vestige of Cold War confrontation." Six years later, President Bush has not acted on this promise. I will. We cannot and should not accept the threat of accidental or unauthorized nuclear launch. We can maintain a strong nuclear deterrent to protect our security without rushing to produce a new generation of warheads.

The danger of nuclear proliferation reminds us of how critical global cooperation will be in the 21st century. That's why the fourth way America must lead is to rebuild and construct the alliances and partnerships necessary to meet common challenges and confront common threats.

Obama clearly supports the idea of a nuclear deterrent but recognizes that the number of weapons on active status is unnecessary, dangerous, and sends the wrong message to the world.
The speech also lays out his program for addressing the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

The idea of using nuclear weapons in Afghanistan or against terrorists hasn't really been under discussion, but what about the question of using bunker-busting nuclear missiles to target Iran's nuclear weapons program?  In other words, for a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran?

There was a lot of discussion a few months ago about whether conventional weapons could be used to penetrate the bunkers Iran has been using for its nuclear program.  Interestingly, in their public positions, none of the candidates (including Obama) offered at the time to rule out such a strike, although Obama did reject the Bush administration's proposal to invest in research for a new generation of low-yield bunker-busting nuclear weapons.

Per an article on the Huffington Post:

As early as August 13, 2005, Bush, in Jerusalem, was asked what would happen if diplomacy failed to persuade Iran to halt its nuclear program. Bush replied, "All options are on the table." On April 18, the day after the appearance of Seymour Hersh's New Yorker report on the administration's preparations for a nuclear war against Iran, President Bush held a news conference. He was asked,

"Sir, when you talk about Iran, and you talk about how you have diplomatic efforts, you also say all options are on the table. Does that include the possibility of a nuclear strike? Is that something that your administration will plan for?"

He replied,

"All options are on the table."

The President never actually said the forbidden words "nuclear war," but he appeared to tacitly acknowledge the preparations -- without further discussion.

Vice-President Dick Cheney, speaking in Australia last week, backed up the President.

"We worked with the European community and the United Nations to put together a set of policies to persuade the Iranians to give up their aspirations and resolve the matter peacefully, and that is still our preference. But I've also made the point, and the president has made the point, that all options are on the table."

Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain, on FOX News August 14, 2005, said the same.

"For us to say that the Iranians can do whatever they want to do and we won't under any circumstances exercise a military option would be for them to have a license to do whatever they want to do ... So I think the president's comment that we won't take anything off the table was entirely appropriate."

But it's not just Republicans. Democratic Presidential candidate John Edwards, in a speech in Herzliyah, Israel, echoed Bush.

"To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table. Let me reiterate - ALL options must remain on the table."

Although, Edwards has said, when asked about this statement, that he prefers peaceful solutions and direct negotiations with Iran, he has nonetheless repeated the "all options on the table" position -- making clear that he would consider starting a preventive nuclear war, but without using the fateful words.

Hillary Clinton, at an AIPAC dinner in NY, said,

"We cannot, we should not, we must not, permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons, and in dealing with this threat, as I have said for a very long time, no option can be taken off the table."

Translation: Nuclear weapons can be used to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

Barack Obama, asked on 60 Minutes about using military force to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, began a discussion of his preference for diplomacy by responding, "I think we should keep all options on the table."

The article, actually from George Lakoff, charges that Democrats have allowed the Bush administration to get away with a loose euphemism.  They have been able to rule nothing out and leave out the possibility of a preemptive nuclear strike without the public having the chance to engage in a genuine debate about its wisdom.



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CLINTON"S RESPONSE  TO NUKES :

Asked about Obama's speech and his comments about nuclear weapons, Clinton chided her fellow senator about addressing hypotheticals.

"Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. ... I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons," Clinton said.

Asked about the notion of unilateral U.S. military action in Pakistan to get al-Qaida leadership: "How we do it should not be telegraphed or discussed for obvious reasons."

Obama had a minor gaffe but when you put in context , its just a slip and he corrected it ,I think his speech yesterday was worse in my opinion.


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by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:09:15 PM EST

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The only problem with this is that Obama wasn't making a blanket statement with respect to nuclear weapons.  This was an error that has been corrected.
He was referring to the specific case of nuclear weapons against terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, began to answer the question that he wouldn't, but realized there might be some hypothetical, extreme situation where it might be warranted, and so he corrected himself and answered correctly that it was a question he couldn't really answer.
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by psericks on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:43:15 PM EST
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So Obama is giving away the ability to deter (none / 0)

He won't under any circumstances?  So there is nothing to deter any threat coming from terrorists in Afghanistan or Pakistan.  He has said they won't have to fear the ultimate price.

Did I read that right?


by dpANDREWS on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:16:33 PM EST

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If that is his position then I support it. But I can't tell what his position is. We don't need to threaten the terrorists with nukes. Besides, they enjoy dying for their cause.

NUKES are BAD! They are entirely destructive and inhumane. To paraphrase Bill Maher, they are the weapons of wussies.


by DoIT on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:26:02 PM EST
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I think he made a clear slip that he immediately admitted.  As he was pronouncing the sentence that he would not use nuclear weapons against terrorist targets in Pakistan or Afghanistan under any circumstances, he realized that there might be imaginable, extreme circumstances that would leave it open, and he immediately corrected himself to say it was a hypothetical that he couldn't really answer.


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by psericks on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 04:37:15 PM EST
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Re: So Obama is giving away the ability to deter (none / 0)

How exactly would that deter suicide bombers? Who would we bomb? The nation of Pakistan because a group of 15 terrorists in the mountains on the border attacked New York. This is not how terrorism operates. They would love for the imperialists to nuke any part of the middle east. Just like occupying nations in the Middle East was a GOAL of 9/11.


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by leewesley on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:52:42 PM EST
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This is a non-issue.  Even if Obama gave a pinky swear he'd never use nukes, our potential enemies would have to feel pretty darn sure he wouldn't flip flop on that promise before they could capitalize on it.

The fact is we have the weapons.  If Putin made the same statement, would you bet your life on his sincerity?    

I think Obama needs to stop making policy speeches and just sit back and critique the ones that the others make.  Apparently people mistake that for an agenda.


by AdamSmithsHand on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:47:43 PM EST

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"our potential enemies would have to feel pretty darn sure he wouldn't flip flop on that promise before they could capitalize on it."

I think that you have this exactly right. The way Obama flip flops it creates an aire of confusion with our enemies. I'm glad you pointed this out to me. All this time I was under the impression that Obama didn't know what the hell he was talking about. It's nice to know he was just baiting our enemies. I feel so much more secure.


by Dickweed on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:39:22 PM EST
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How convenient that the Obama campaign bought off these news outlets so that they didn't report his "scratch that" comments. There is something to be said for being able to raise over 30 million dollars per quarter. Unfortunately what is said isn't very nice.


by Dickweed on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:35:04 PM EST

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your an embarrassment to both Dicks and espescially weed. hehe im just messing around man


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by leewesley on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:25:25 PM EST
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