QUESTION: To ANGRY (NON-Obama) Supporters

To those of you who have already chosen a candidate other than Illinois Senator Barack Obama and are criticizing his recent decision to limit future debates, I have a simple question for you. I am reading quite a few complaints about Barack Obamas decision to limit the future debates to the ones sanctioned by the DNC as well as a few others he has already committed to, in a effort to reach voters who are unable to view or attend these debates. Barack Obama has not "dropped out" of televised debates as some are spinning or misstating , but rather , he is limiting them. I have no reason to believe that he is doing this for none other than what was stated by the campaign.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community group/ObamaHQ

However, I am perplexed by the accusations and animosity coming from die hard supporters of other candidates regarding Barack Obamas decision. These claims and suggestions being made by others would have one believe that Barack Obama has somehow , turned his back on the democratic process of running a campaign when in all truth, he is doing the exact opposite. He's making his Campaign more inclusive and he is not going to be able to effectively meet with voters in key Primary states if he is bogged down attending a debate and answering Press questions from the Media as opposed to the real voters , under the false setting of a Forum or debate setting. But my question to those of you who have chosen another candidate to support and are not supporting Barack Obama, but have taken so much time and energy to attack him on this decision, is this.

Why does it matter to you so much?


Poll
Why Does It Matter To You So Much ?
Just Because
Um, Um, Um,
It Doesn't . I'm Spinning

Votes: 7
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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This is ridiculous... (3.00 / 0)

in fact I am sure the front runners are happy about this, as they "too" would like to spend more time with voters, fundraise, etc.


by caroline becker on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 03:51:24 PM EST

Re: This is ridiculous... (3.00 / 2)

I haven't read any of the candidates responses yet, but I agree with you. After all, if anything , Edwards and Clinton should be happy they get another 10 minuets. I mean, aren't they the ones who wanted less people?

;p


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 03:53:14 PM EST
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Re: This is ridiculous... (none / 0)

Yes, some Obama and Clinton supporters on this site engage in hate.  

Too many immature people with access to keyboards.


by TomP on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:32:05 PM EST
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Re: This is ridiculous... (none / 0)

Yeah, just Obama and Clinton people, never the pure Edwards folks...

Give me a break.


"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
by This Machine Kills Fascists on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 07:09:09 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

I have no complaints.  I think people were discussing the politicas of this.  I didn't get a sense cared one way or another personally about whether Obama would participate.


by bookgrl on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 03:52:52 PM EST

It is ofcourse open for debate (none / 0)

whether Obama's new strategy is correct, it is a fair point to say some interest groups may be offended. Obama believes his time is better spent appealing to voters in a differnet way and that 25+ forums is enough to see the candidates side by side, he might be right (I think he is) that this is his best stategy but the Hillarybots went way too far in calling Obama a chicken or coward, in fact the Clinton campaign should be ashamed of these "supporters".


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:18:18 PM EST
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Re: It is ofcourse open for debate (3.00 / 1)

You know your language of discourse isn't any better. Calling people Hillbots is just as bad . And I don't think Obama will appreciate the kind of support you are giving him . Or do you think he will ?

So maybe you should clean up your own act first , then you can hold the moral high ground , otherwise you won't be taken seriously.

By the way your signature line gives you away as a hater.  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:22:41 PM EST
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Right, well, try setting an (3.00 / 1)

example.


by bookgrl on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:27:43 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (3.00 / 1)

Obviously, since you are directing people who support other candidates, it doesnt REALLY affect us because if Obama spends more time with us, it wont really change our support.

BUT that isnt the point. The point is that there are some constituents who are holding endorsements because they want to hear from candidates, and not showing up will seem like a snub to them.

This ISNT the same as Edwards/Clinton saying they want to limit the NUMBER of PEOPLE to get more SUBSTANTIVE debates.

Clinton and Edwards have managed to make more forums than Obama, while campaigning very hard in town halls, living rooms, and diners.  Add that to Clinton still serving in the Senate, introducing legislation, and having missed less votes than ANYONE ELSE RUNNING WHO IS A SENATOR, it comes off as a little shady and lazy on Obama.

Running for President isnt a cake walk, its hard work. Its time consuming, its taxing on your mind and body.

But guess what, this is JUST THE BEGINNING. Its only the primary, this isnt even the halfway mark.

Its a bad move IMO.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:14:38 PM EST

Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

Well, for them, he let then know in advance that he might not be able to come to their forum.

So what's the problem?


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:20:15 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To (none / 0)

the fact that Hillarybots are so upset about this makes me think Obama did a very smart thing. Obama is not going to outpander hillary to single issue voters so why try. There's still plently of debates that he will appear at but the sheer am ount of them is cutting into his campign's main objective which is to get non-interest group voters who lean democratic to participate for him in the primary. As an Obama supporter I worried about him playing Hillary's (pander) game, no more as his gam e is to talk directly with regular voters starting in the early states.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:23:31 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To (none / 0)

Yep.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:28:53 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

Ask yourself this question,

If Hillary Clinton had done what Obama did what would your reaction have been ?

Don't blame supporters of others reacting the way they did , this is a campaign

Hillary/Edwards took her hit when they were caught discussing changing the format by the likes of the same people who are giving Obama a pass now.

By the way voters watch these debates/forums hence your argument isn't that right. I will suggest that the reason he is limiting also has a lot to do with his performance at these debates.

Debates/Forums are all part of the process and if he feels he has to limit it then it reflects poorly on him.

However I really am not bothered if he limits it , because there is a point to it that these forums are a lot in number , but lets not act like if it was another candidate you won't be ripping into the candidate , it so happens its a candidate you back. This is politics and there is a lot of politicking and hypocrisy to go around.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:19:22 PM EST

Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (3.00 / 2)

If Hillary would have done the same thing, I could give a rats ass. Seriously.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:21:42 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

I second and third this...I would just be glad my guy/girl was getting more time.  


by jg40 on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 05:36:34 PM EST
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Please (3.00 / 2)

To read your diary, and especially your poll, one would think ALL non-Obama supporters are angry with him or ar spinning what he's doing, and that's simply not true. When you tar the non-Obama supporters who are ok with his announcement with the same criticisms as you do the spinners, you're no better than those spinners.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:21:33 PM EST

Re: Please (none / 0)

Then you have poor comprehension skills.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:22:25 PM EST
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Re: Please (none / 0)

OR, you didn't read the entire post. Specifically, the last sentence.

DOY!


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:23:35 PM EST
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Re: Please (none / 0)

The last sentence being, "Why does it matter to you so much?"

Or, "It doesn't, I'm spinning?"

It doesn't matter to me, but I'm not spinning, as I'm not criticizing Obama for his decision. So the last sentence of the poll is only half true; you did not provide an adequate answer for someone like me.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 07:35:26 PM EST
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Re: Please (none / 0)

It's not directed toward you then. I'm not talking to "someone like you".


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 11:40:36 PM EST
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Re: Please (none / 0)

I know that's not what you mean, what I'm saying is it needs to be made more clearly in the diary. The diary made it sound like all Obama opponents were hopping mad for no reason.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 11:58:15 PM EST
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Re: Please (none / 0)

Wow. Sounds like somebody can't take criticism. I know what you meant, I know you aren't tarring all opponents the same way, I'm just telling you what it sounded like. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore critics, well, sounds like a personal problem to me.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 07:32:38 PM EST
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I agree with you. (2.00 / 1)

I have seen many of BD's comments.  many of the Clinton and Obama supporters deserve each other here.


by TomP on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:33:53 PM EST
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Re: I agree with you. (none / 0)

Oh please.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:36:04 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To All (NON-Obama) Supporters (3.00 / 2)

I had not even heard about this.  Frankly, I'm glad because I think there have been too many and I think the lesser candidates have been using the front runners to get themselves an audience they not have otherwise and it's not the frontrunners' responsibility to promote the other candidates when it is a burden on them to have so many.  I hope Hillary does the same, she does extremely well but at some point, debate fatigue is going to set in, even for her.  In her book, Hillary points out meeting the voters is the way to go, she doesn't like a lot of ads, so I think freeing up some of her time in this would be good for her.


by reasonwarrior on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:37:21 PM EST

I am not angry (none / 0)

I am not angry at all. LOL. This will only be good news for Hillary, it gives her the flexibility to go to forums at her wish. Why should I be upset?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:40:33 PM EST

Re: I am not angry (none / 0)

That wasn't the question. Answer the question.

You allways avoid answering the question just  like your candidate.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:58:01 PM EST
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Re: I am not angry (none / 0)

what question. I don't usually read your diary in detail.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 05:16:23 PM EST
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Re: I am not angry (none / 0)

That explains a whole lot.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 11:42:05 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To ANGRY (NON-Obama) Supporters (3.00 / 1)

I am anticipating the reaction of the other campaigns. If they happen to agree with Sen. Obama what will be the reaction on this website?  I imagine there will be no name calling then.


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 04:49:46 PM EST

Re: QUESTION: To ANGRY (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

They won't , I don't think it was a good strategic move to come out with a blanket memo the way he did . None of the candidate will be smart to do that , now that he has played his hand . Not really a good strategic move to put yourself out there like that . Maybe he is thinking the other campaigns will come out in favor of the same thing , but a smarter campaign can easily box him into a corner . I won't be surprised if the Clinton/Edwards camp both come out and say they will make it too all the debates/forums that will hurt him or they just pick and choose the ones they will go to behind the scenes , that will also hurt him.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 05:10:18 PM EST
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Re: QUESTION: To ANGRY (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

I remember 4 yrs. ago everyone got sick of the debates.  By the time they were up to 11 or 12, the candidates and the media were just going thru the motions and and trying not to do any damage.  I don't know why they schedule so many?  I can't bear the idea of WATCHING all these debates/forums, and I doubt you can find three people in the entire country who will.  After a while it is boring and repetitive and like anything else, once it's over saturated, it loses it's impact and effectiveness.  If its supposed to be a means of helping voters decide the best candidate(s), less may actually be more.  The DNC needs to have maybe 1/2 dozen 3 hr. debates and have the various constituencies combine their efforts and have the candidates answer the ?'s related to that particular groups concerns 1hr for each group.  ANYTHING is better than this death by a thousand debates torture that goes on every 4 yrs.  Besides, IMO Al Gore and John Kerry clearly won every debate against GW Dumbass and what did it get them?

Hillary has done well at each debate, but I bet if you could be a fly on the wall, she would be more than happy to cut down on some of these things.  I fact, I'm sure they all would.


by jg40 on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 05:32:57 PM EST

Re: QUESTION (none / 0)

Stupid decision by Obama.  He is so NOT ready to be President.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 07:24:38 PM EST

Its politics and this site is about politics (none / 0)

And Obama is showing desperation in my mind.  He is going to put all his eggs in 3 baskers and hope for 1 win before he has to give his concession speech (after SC).


by dpANDREWS on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 08:17:29 PM EST

Re: Its politics and this site is about politics (none / 0)

Perhaps , he should have just spent the last four years campaigning in Iowa and opened up a fake Poverty Center to get around the laws. On second thought, that would just be tacky.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 11:44:44 PM EST
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To ANGRY (NON-Obama) Supporters (none / 0)

First of all I am not angry with Obama's decision. Every candidate has to make strategic decisions and he has decided to limit his interactions in forums/debates. I personally think it is a dumb decision but I am not the one making it. I like that we are having so many forums/debates. I would like to see more of the same.


by DoIT on Sun Aug 19, 2007 at 11:17:36 AM EST


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