The Importance of Not Backing Down When First Hit

Josh Marshall calls it the "Republicans' Bitch-Slap Theory of Politics": The Republicans launch an attack on a Democratic candidate with the expectation (unfortunately correct in far too many instances) that the Democrat will not sufficiently defend him- or herself, making the Democrat look feckless both on the particular issue in question but also in general. (If a candidate cannot stand up for him- or herself, how will he or she stand up for America, the reasoning goes.)

The Republicans turned to this trick again today, after Barack Obama made the following statement about the American effort in Afghanistan last night: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." In response, the Republican National Committee tried to get Obama to back down -- to disavow his comments and even apologize for having made them -- with party chairman Mike Duncan saying, "It is hard to imagine that anyone who aspires to be commander-in-chief would say such a thing about our brave men and women in uniform... Obama owes our armed forces an apology -- today."

There was a time when some Democrats would have given into the RNC's demand, and as a result end up looking weak both on the issue (Afghanistan) and in general. But not so this time with Obama. Instead of cowering at the hands of the Republicans, the Obama campaign held its ground and was rewarded with a fact check by the Associated Press that showed that Obama was completely correct with his assessment of the situation in Afghanistan. Indeed, The Politico's Richard Allen Greene, filling in for Ben Smith covering the Democratic White House aspirants for the coming couple of weeks, deems this a "win" for Obama.

I use this merely as one example of Democratic candidates not backing down when hit, an extremely important development as the party tries to regain control over the White House. Certainly it is not the only example. Hillary Clinton, for example, has increasingly been seen waging a rhetorical battle against the Bush White House. John Edwards has strenuously fought off charges that he is hypocritical on issues of poverty, working harder, in fact, to forward the progressive cause in response.

This is all not to say that the Democrats -- or anyone, for that matter -- should not back down when they are wrong. Clearly, we have seen the deleterious effects brought on by an overly stubborn leader unwilling to change course even when his policies have proven to be failures. At the same time, it's important that Democrats don't back down when they are right. And it seems that there is at least some evidence that they are learning this key lesson.



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Dick Durbin --- classic Example (3.00 / 1)

That just popped into my head.

John Kerry and his "stuck in Iraq."  Same thing.

Both said nothing wrong, the average person with an IQ of 90 or higher knew what they meant and the Republicans has them both spewing I'm sorried.   For pete's sake, Durbin cried.  

Your post is largely on the mark.

More Democrats need to start kicking the shit out of Republicans making them cry ... like Foley cried and Delay cried.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:15:24 PM EST

Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

pardon the expression, but our nominee needs to be able and willing to eat GOP children.  And the only pres candidate to have demonstrated and proven this kind of toughness is your candidate.  


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:20:06 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

"pardon the expression, but our nominee needs to be able and willing to eat GOP children."

Even as an analogy, I don't think that expression is worthy of a pardon.


by Ryan Anderson on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:43:48 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (3.00 / 1)

oh, god, another uptight holier-than-thou lefty.  get over yourself buddy.  your censorship in conversation must make you very popular at parties.

relax, being so serious all the time will give you unnecessary stress.


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:50:55 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

i think he was saying that your comment would have been stated better if you said they should be able to eat GOP children, without having to say "pardon."

I think he only meant to strengthen your comment and reaffirm your thoughts


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:57:31 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

Huh!? I think you misread the poster's intent, unless you're being facetious.


Vox Mia -- Adding My Voice to the Chorus
by bedobe on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:39:35 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

"oh, god, another uptight holier-than-thou lefty.  get over yourself buddy.  your censorship in conversation must make you very popular at parties.

relax, being so serious all the time will give you unnecessary stress."

Oh please, I didn't "censor" anyone.  

I appreciate neither your language nor your sentiment.  Sure, you respond when attacked and respond with force.  But this notion that we must demonize and destroy Republicans is both disgusting and wrong.  For God's sake, this isn't war, this is a dialogue.  At least, it ought to be... and we ought to act like it. Yeah, the GOP has poisoned the wells, but the antidote isn't more poison.

Sorry that doesn't earn me any cool points in your book, but whatever.


by Ryan Anderson on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:40:28 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

then we've already lost, then.  This is war.  I'm gay and these people declared war on me in 2004.  I'm glad those who fought the American Revolution or even the civil rights revolution in the 50s and 60s didn't have your unilateral withdrawal tendencies.

Sorry, bud, but this ain't a dialogue.  And we're only going to win if we are as tough - we can be fair and tough - as they are.


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:46:21 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

"then we've already lost, then.  This is war.  I'm gay and these people declared war on me in 2004.  I'm glad those who fought the American Revolution or even the civil rights revolution in the 50s and 60s didn't have your unilateral withdrawal tendencies.

Sorry, bud, but this ain't a dialogue.  And we're only going to win if we are as tough - we can be fair and tough - as they are."

I don't remember MLK joking about eating the segregationist's babies.  Don't you think that mighta been the least bit counterproductive?

Respect isn't a weakness, and it certainly isn't surrender.  For a progressive, it is a precondition for success.  Fact is, we can't win by playing their game... only by rising above it.  Like the Revolutionaries rose above the monarchy, like the civil rights activists rose above Jim Crowe.  

The hacks and hatchetmen have made this a war because they can win a war.  Because they can't win an honest debate.  

Want to defeat them?  Give them that debate.  That's the only thing they fear.


by Ryan Anderson on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:54:43 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

It was an expression, jesus.  Again, you must be really fun to watch a comedian like Lewis Black or George Carlin with.  Expression, got it?

btw, "respect"?  Um, I do not respect the other side.  Sorry, but I do not respect murderers, homophobes, racists, and misogynists.  We are not going to get very far in the progressive movement if we can't call a spade a spade.

Would you call the GOPers murderers for what they have done in Iraq?


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 08:02:01 PM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

but i remember jonathan swift talking about eating irish babies.


"blogtopia - yes, i coined that phrase!"
by skippy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:54:49 AM EST
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Re: Dick Durbin --- classic Example (none / 0)

Republicans are evil.

Why shouldn't they be demonized?

(And I used to be an independent who voted Republican as often as Democrat before Bush came along and the Republicans aided and sometimes took the lead in his six years of mayhem.)


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:35:57 AM EST
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i assume you mean obama... (none / 0)

there's no better proving ground in this regard than chicago politics.  if you can make it in chicago, you can make it anywhere...


"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell
by bored now on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:28:12 PM EST
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Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down When First (none / 0)

Its so refreshing to see dems bitch-slap right back. It seemed for a while like the dark years were never going to end.

However, I think that it would be innacurate to say that there was ever a time when Obama in particular woudl cower... I know of no such example. He has stood his ground from day one. But you're right, now the rest of the party is doing the same, and its really great.

For me, the moment when it became very obvious that things had changed was when the whole Webb/Bush flap occurred.


by alipi on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:17:29 PM EST

Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down When First (3.00 / 1)

He actually did cower earlier in the year when the GOP attack dogs "bitch-slapped" him over his comments that the lives of the troops were being "wasted" in Iraq.

A completely true statement that the vast majority of Americans agree with. He backed down like a little boy.

I am happy he didn't back down on this instance, but the record is mixed so far. He needs to hold his ground more often.


by need some wood on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:23:10 PM EST
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Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down When First (none / 0)

Don't use that analogy for an African-American man.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:37:26 AM EST
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Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down When First (none / 0)

I think you misunderstood what Jonathan was trying to say.

There was a time when some Democrats would have given into the RNC's demand, and as a result end up looking weak both on the issue (Afghanistan) and in general. But not so this time with Obama.

I don't think he was saying that Obama had backed down, but that in the past, many Dems would have.  No more.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:14:39 PM EST
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This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

proven it since 1993.

This fp thread epitomizes the number one draw of HRC for me personally.  Though I like Edwards' econ and domestic agenda, Hillary is the only one of the serious D presidential candidates who i have 100% confidence in regarding counterpunching and attacking the Republican Smear Machine.

And Kerry proved that this trait is not to be underestimated.  HRC even said that "she's your girl" if you want a candidate to blast the Republicans.  As much as I like Edwards, I don't think he's proven that yet.  And Obama?  Methinks the GOPers would eat the poor guy alive if he's our nominee.


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:18:47 PM EST

Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

I agree with you that Hillary comes out ahead on this metric, although none of our candidates are wilting violets.

I think winning breeds confidence, frankly.  The Democrats were scared of their shadows in 2006 because they had lost so many elections and were terrified that the RWNM would say mean things about them.  But after they were called every name in the book during that campaign and still took over Congress, the spell started to lift... slowly but surely.  They're still wimps, mind you, but they're getting better.  They understand that the world doesn't end just because Karl Rove calls you a terrorist-lover.

In fairness to Dick Durbin, who gets a lot of grief, he cried not because the Republicans told him to apologize, but because Mayor Daley told him to apologize.  That's Illinois politics for you.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:25:29 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (3.00 / 1)

I think a defining moment in that regard in 2006 was when Bill Clinton layed into Chris Wallace sharply over the theme that 9/11 was Clinton's fault, as advanced by right-wing movie-makers in a made-for-TV crapola piece.    It seemed to me that after he had that spat, other Democrats felt emboldened to get into attack mode instead of acting like shrinking violets all the time.


by georgep on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:10:15 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength (none / 0)

I think many of them are still scared like little children. We only need look to the FISA vote to see it.  Luckily, our candidates are made of sterner stuff.  Maybe Webb and McCaskill can take a lesson from some real Democrats - Clinton, Obama and Edwards.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:17:09 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

attacks on Obama are much less tolerated by independents and even Republicans than are attacks on Hillary.

Obama continues to show low negatives compared to Hillary among Republicans which I believe would make him less vulnerable to personal or smear attacks because he would be viewed as an innocent victim.


by wiretapp on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:26:28 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

good point.  here's an analogy:  many Red Sox fans who hate Jeter find it difficult to hate him because he's so nice and has integrity.  Going negative on Obama may be akin to going negative on Santa Claus......IF Obama can keep his negatives this low until then.


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:53:15 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

That may be true today.  By election day, I'm firmly convinced the GOP base will see the Democratic nominee as a cross between Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, and Satan, whoever that nominee may be.  So there's only so much weight I can put on this factor.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:16:44 PM EST
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Re: democrats should band together more (none / 0)

The Democrats have to band together whenever one of their candidates are attacked, whoever it is.

Kerry had a tendency to put his foot in his mouth, which was unfortunate, but it was pathetic watching all the other Democrats in congress scatter every time Kerry was on the ropes.

Democrats should defend their candidates. And, if they can't say anything good about him or her, they should keep their mouths shut.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:41:31 AM EST
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after the primary... (none / 0)


"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell
by bored now on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:11:30 AM EST
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we always have to remember that the dominant... (none / 0)

frame about hillary is a right-wing frame.  she gets bitch-slapped by 300M americans everyday...


"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell
by bored now on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:27:10 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

I wouldn't count on that.  Kerry was and is a bonified war hero.  No hyperbole, just the simple facts.  And the Republicans still managed to paint him as a wuss.  It's even more incredible considering that President George W. Dipstick was probably off getting drunk and snorting coke when he was supposed to serve.

That philosophy may work for now, but it will never hold during the general election.  Obama, Clinton and Edwards need to punch back, and they need to do it hard and immediately.

As the lady said,

When you are attacked, you have to deck your opponent.

Time to change my sig.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:27:21 PM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

The Kerry Swiftboat/Bush war record incident is an exception and not the rule. Everything you say is true but just because something like this happened once doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen again.


by wiretapp on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:41:31 AM EST
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Re: This is Hillary's greatest strength and she's (none / 0)

Rove 101: Attack the opponent's strength.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:42:50 AM EST
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talk to me when hillary stops wearing the pink... (none / 0)

dress...


"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell
by bored now on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:29:21 PM EST
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Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down When First (none / 0)

This post should be cross referenced with the asinine "Hillary = Rove" Diary that was posted earlier today about the NYTimes article.

Like HRC said, if you want someone to stand against the RWNM, then "she's your girl"


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:59:56 PM EST

Go tell it to Bill Press (none / 0)


Seriously.

This past hour, on MSNBC, Bill Press told the reprehensible Pat Buchanan (subbing for the execrable Tucker Carlson) that Obama "misspoke".  Buchanan was, of course, pushing the RNC line that Obama's statement about "air-raiding villages" was reminiscent of the "winter soldier" accusing American troops in Vietnam of "atrocities".  I will bet that Press came into the studio having read only the RNC's complaint, not Obama's remarks.  I will bet that Buchanan came in fully aware of both.  So there you have what passes for "analysis" on the teevee: lazy talking heads  chatting with evil talking heads.

If anybody here has less than six degrees of separation from Bill Press, would you be kind enough to post an e-mail address for him?  Or contact him directly and tell him to stop being an ass?

-- TP


by Rethymniotis on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:35:09 PM EST

Obama speaks, Clinton spins (3.00 / 1)

Obama's and Clinton's responses to Republicans are apples and oranges.

Obama's response on Afghanistan today was a genuine defense of truth-telling comments he made at a New Hampshire rally.

Clinton, on the other hand, has been manufacturing conflict with Republicans. Starting with the Pentagon affair -- in which she
actually leaked to the Associated Press Edelman's private letter to her -- and, most recently, in the dust-up over her Iowa ad, Clinton
opportunistically uses Republican responses to her statements, spinning them as awful "attacks," then playing the wounded victim,
milking these fabricated incidents for all they're worth, to portray herself as "tough on Republicans."

Please don't tell me you can't see through this.


by horizonr on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 08:00:51 PM EST

Re: Obama speaks, Clinton spins (none / 0)

what dust-up over her Iowa ad?  Did the Repugs attack her over it?


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 08:03:23 PM EST
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Re: Obama speaks, Clinton spins (none / 0)

Here, here, and -- with a glorious HillaryHub-o-Rama tagline ("White House Attacks Hillary's New Ad) -- here.

by horizonr on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 08:26:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama speaks, Clinton spins (none / 0)

thanks for that.  btw, say what you will about HRC, but this is classic Clinton campaigning and is very effective.  goad someone into an attack on your terms, then hit them back hard, all while proclaiming to be the victim.  those fools, they fall for it every single time, lol.


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 08:35:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama speaks, Clinton spins (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, well, who are the real fools in this farce, the Republicans or her Democratic supporters?


by horizonr on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:00:24 PM EST
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voters... (none / 0)

voters are stupid...


"I believe he can win. If he runs a campaign anywhere like the terrific campaign he ran to get the nomination, he'll win handily." - Ed Rendell
by bored now on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:21:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama speaks, Clinton spins (none / 0)

Hey, I don't like Hillary, but she's right about Bush and she's right to say it.

She should start saying it about Mitt, Rudy and Fred too.

We're never going to get back the so-called "Reagan Democrats" until we show them that the Repubs are pimping them and we're fighting for them.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:46:04 AM EST
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Re: Obama speaks, Clinton spins (none / 0)

A letter from one government official to another on official business is not a "private" letter.  That's a really weak job of spinning.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 09:54:01 PM EST
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Advice for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

As Tom Waits sang in "Come On Up to the House," from his brilliant 1999 album Mule Variations:

Cone down off the cross
We can use the wood


by horizonr on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:21:22 PM EST
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Re: Advice for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Come down....


by horizonr on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:57:35 AM EST
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We've got to keep pushing back (none / 0)

I do not apologize for opposing radical republicans and neither should Obama.


Progressive American Patriot blog
by Progressive American Patriot on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 09:05:47 PM EST

Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down (none / 0)

Exactly on point.  I'm very proud of the field of strong candidates that we have on our side, and I'm even prouder that none of them went to the Mike Dukakis/John Kerry school of "let them bitch slap me, and I'll just look the other way".  While they were looking that way, they both lost elections that shouldn't even have been close.  Dukakis blew a 17 point lead, for the love of Pete.

Cheers to Obama, Clinton and Edwards for standing their ground and not giving in to the bullies.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 11:10:22 PM EST

Re: The Importance of Not Backing Down (none / 0)

good post.  When we stand by and don't answer attacks, we make people like Atwater and Rove look brilliant.  Hell, I'd look brilliant, too, if the candidate I was running against just took all the attacks and never answered, like Dukakis and his 17pt lead!


The only balls the Clintons ever show are against their fellow Democrats, especially progressives.
by jgarcia on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:09:51 AM EST
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Bitch Slap (3.00 / 1)

When the GOP demands an apology there is absolutely no incentive to do so.  Because once you do apologize, they've won--and it will always be remembered.

Moral of the story: Never, ever apologize.  Ever.  Unless you want to lose.


by Will Graham on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:39:46 AM EST

Re: Bitch Slap (none / 0)

Yeah, I don't even think demanding an apology from the other side is a particularly good strategy anymore.

Screw it. Just condemn them. Call them dirtbags. Don't even give them a chance to do damage control.

Frankly, I never liked that 'apologize' stuff. Sounds sanctimonious or whiny.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:49:50 AM EST
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