Endorsements Matter

Many here tout the endorsements the candidates for the Presidency receive.  Ignored in all this chatter, however, are the endorsements the candidates have made.  The latter provides a rare view into the priorities and values of the candidates.  Because each diary can only accomodate one candidate's endorsements, I will limit my discussion to those made by Barack Obama.

Alexi Giannoulias for Illinois state Treasurer

Two Democrats ran for the Democratic nomination of state Treasurer of Illinois.  Obama chose Alexi Giannoulias.  This choice was controversial for many reasons.  According to one news report,

Both before and after the election, Giannoulias claimed to know little or nothing about $15.4 million in loans his family's privately owned Broadway Bank granted to Michael Giorango, who's been convicted of running gambling and prostitution rings.

Of those mob-connected enterprises, Giannoulias said in a prepared statement::
"What they did was wrong...inexcusable. If I had known...I do not believe...we would have approved those loans. (But) there was nothing illegal. I admit...I mishandled some questions."

His most prominent supporter, Sen. Barack Obama, wants answers, but is still on board.

It may not have been legal, but it was certainly not ethical.  In fact, it reeks of dirty machine politics.  But Obama still supported this questionable candidate.  Here is Obama after it was discovered that the Giannoulias family bank bankrolled mobsters:

"I continue to believe Alexi is a person of good character and his experience will serve him in good stead as treasurer," Obama said.

And he certainly would, for the Giannoulias family invested $10,000 into Obama's 2004 Senate campaign.  $10,000, I guess, can buy an endorsement, even if the mob and prostitutes are involved.  But I still wonder how this endorsement reflects the values of the candidate.  For one only endorses those who reflect one's values.

Dorothy Tillman for Alderman

This endorsement, which Obama made before the 2007 municipal elections, is also problematic, for Tillman is widely known for engaging in cronyism when it comes to competitive City contracts.  According to the Chicago Tribune article cited above,

Obama endorsed former Ald. Dorothy Tillman (3rd), calling her "a very early supporter of my campaign." Tillman was then under fire for her stewardship of the scandal-plagued Harold Washington Cultural Center, where contracts benefited members of her family.

There is a reason Dorothy Tillman is a former Alderman.  But Obama sees no conflict in endorsing a candidate whose cronyism led her constitutents to reject her candidacy, even though she was an incumbent with key endorsements.  I quote Obama from the same article:

"I have been very proud of my track record as a state legislator and as a U.S. senator in terms of maintaining highly ethical behavior throughout my public life," he said in a recent interview. "Dorothy Tillman and Alexi Giannoulias were strong supporters of mine. There were no allegations that they had done anything illegal. And it was not a conflict for me to show my support for them."

How his behavior in Washington, DC, affects the behavior of the corrupt Chicago politicians he endorses still remains a mystery.  Does he seriously beleive his mere statement will clear these individuals of their venality and cronyism?  Does the fact that they supported his candidacy make what they did any more palatable?  Does he seriously think anyone with a modicum of intelligence would take that quotation seriously?  Or is this just machine politics in a new form?  Is that what he means by "new politics?"  And is this "new politics" a reflection of his valorization of cronyism? Do loyal "Obammies" always get a free pass? Loyal "Bushies," anyone?

Todd Stroger for Cook County Board President

Stroger's appointment to the Board was viewed with incredulity by Chicagoans who are finally coming to terms with that city's corrupt politics.  Ward bosses appointed Stroger to succeed his father, a classic example of cronyism and, in the case of Stroger, the machine valorization of incompetence.  Obama, according to one news report, was not terribly pleased with this state of affairs.  I quote:

Obama admitted that he did not like how Stroger was voted in by the city's ward bosses.

But again, he will succumb to the machine.  I quote from the same news story:

"He is a good man," Obama said. "He cares about people, and I think he's in politics for the right reasons."

"I would have preferred a more conventional way of getting a nominee," Obama said. "I think at this point, when I compare the two candidates, I think Todd's going to do a better job."

Todd has actually been a disaster, and his Democratic opponent in the primary, Forrest Claypool, has been very critical of Stroger's policy decisions.  But Obama still endorsed the machine candidate.  Obama could have remained silent, as he did during the Big Box Ordinance, which would have forced WAL-MART to pay a living wage.  After all, the Big Box Ordinance was a huge topic during the municipal elections.  But he decided to throw in with the machine, even though a fellow Democrat, Forrest Claypool, referred to the practices of Stroger's father before Junior's appointment as "nepotism at its worst."   The Strogers have a history of staffing positions with incompetent relatives, and Junior was no exception. Obama, it seems, endorses this incompetence and nepotism.  Would he bring this nepotism with him to the White House?

Richard Daley for Mayor of Chicago

Here is Obama in August 2005:

In August 2005, Obama nearly ran into trouble with Daley when he hedged on whether he'd support the mayor for re-election in light of the corruption investigations at City Hall.
Asked then if he planned to support the mayor or if the corruption probes might have given him pause, the senator replied, "What's happened -- some of the reports I've seen ... give me huge pause."

But the Senator received a call from City Hall just after those comments were made, and he switched his position.  Here is Obama one hour after those statements were made as reported by the same article:

An hour later, he called the Sun-Times saying he wanted to clarify his remarks. Obama said the mayor was "obviously going through a rough patch," but he also said Chicago has "never looked better" and that "significant progress has been made on a variety of fronts." The senator said then it was "way premature" to talk about endorsements because the mayor had not yet announced his candidacy.
Daley didn't hold a grudge against Obama. He reportedly concluded that the freshman senator had been trapped by a loaded question.

Machine politics at its best: badger the Senator who made a negative statement; coordinate message with the Senator you just badgered; have Senator retract statements; then tell newspaper that the Senator who had the temerity to criticize you was cornered by the media.  The Daley machine always has it covered.

And what was Obama criticizing?  He was voicing concerns over the Hired Truck Scandal, which was well documented in the Chicago Sun-Times.  Just look at the dossier the Sun-Times compiled at this website.  There is plenty of reading here if you wish to read about the underbelly of Chicago politics, an underbelly Obama endorsed in late 2006.

Giannoulias, Stroger, Tillman, Daley: again and again Senator Obama has endorsed cronyism, incompetence, corruption and scandal, but always with the qualification that it is all legal.  Given these precedents, what will Obama allow in the White House?  Can we risk four years of scandal?  Can we risk a general election where all of this will be exposed by the Republican nominee?  And what does this say about Obama's "new politics?"



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So we can expect a "fair and balanced" approach from you on the questionable endorsements of others?  Because, after all, your only on MyDD to engage and propel debate...right?


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:21:05 PM EST

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what a bunch of trash the Hillarybots have ruined this site.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:26:03 PM EST

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then try to refute it


by truthteller2007 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:33:42 PM EST
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okay, I'll try.  I have ran campaigns for years and not one fucking time did an endorsement matter.  Not once.  Local, state, national, doesn't matter.

I say this as someone with no problem with an HRC nom.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 08:42:45 PM EST
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Can you link to poll data that proves this is the case in specific races?  Perhaps a poll before and after a specific endorsement?


by truthteller2007 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 08:55:21 PM EST
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Can ypu provide data refuting what he said?


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:10:18 PM EST
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Wrong. In Ky's Democratic primary for governor, Lunsford and Beshear were shown to be in a dead heat. Jonathan Miller who I supported and is now the head of KY's Democratic Party dropped out and endorsed Beshear because Lunsford had given several donations to the Ky Republican Party, Ernie Fletcher, Anne Northup and Mitch McConnell. After Miller endorsed Beshear, he went from almost tied with Lunsford, to winning the primary against several other candidates with just over 40% of the vote, enough to avoid a runoff. Miller's supporters almost all voted for Beshear, including myself and it swung that primary to him. Without Miller's endorsement, best case scenario is that we would have had a run-off. While I respect your experience, some endorsements DO matter!!


by RDemocrat on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:45:39 PM EST
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sorry, not convinced.  I have yet to have ever seen any evidence of people basing their vote - ultimately - on what or whom some other famous human being says to vote for.

What did Gore's endorsement do for Dean, for a national example?


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 11:24:01 PM EST
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He is an Edwards supporter.  Try to get it right.  Thanks.


by georgep on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:44:05 PM EST
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Please stop using the word Hillbot.  Try to be better than these people, not the same as them.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:01:10 PM EST
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Read my diary just posted, about trolling.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:27:45 PM EST

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if you think this diary is trollish, then muster the evidence to refute all the claims made in the diary and in the articles this diarist cites.


by truthteller2007 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:34:26 PM EST
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no it's not trollish trash....


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:40:54 PM EST
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the truth sometimes hurt.

see you around.


by truthteller2007 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:43:34 PM EST
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That's probably more correct than you think... Given your recent ratings abuse, I wonder if you get a warning, all your 1's reversed and stripped of priviledged user status or if you'll get outright banned.  

I actually didn't think your diary was trollish trash.  I disagree with its implications that insinuate, but I don't think it was trollish.  But then on the other hand, since there is no rule about posting about multiple candidates (which not sure why you made that up) and you haven't actually looked at some of the other candidates, the intention behind this was trollish.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:06:08 PM EST
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just trash


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:41:09 PM EST

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Oh, by the way, that tagline of yours is garbage.  Have YOU seen the poll you quote from?  No?   So you are repeating a line from a poll you have not even seen?   Where IS this Mason-Dixon poll you tout?  Has anyone seen it?  Nope, it seems like it does not exist.  So we can't check partisan makeup of this poll,  or any type of internals.   The question become why you are not more discerning than that?  Why you are not even interested IN THE POLL ITSELF?

BTW, Newsweek shows that the "would not vote for" number for Clinton is only at 34%, a far cry from what you are peddling here.  And, yes, that poll IS available for all to see.  


by georgep on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:48:44 PM EST
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How about criticizing some of those in your own house who are acting trollish as well George.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:08:11 PM EST
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Btw as for his tag line

http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitic s/20070629/cm_rcp/new_masondixon_poll_hi llarys_h

http://www.contracostatimes.com/portlet/ article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp ?articleId=6260144&siteId=571


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 10:32:53 PM EST
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Oh or one could do this...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q =52%25+won%27t+vote+for+hillary&btnG =Google+Search

I'm kind of surprised you'd call him a liar or say he made it up without doing any research into it.  You are usually a lot more thorough on things.  It IS just one poll and means little, IMHO but you still shouldn't have called hima  liar.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 10:34:55 PM EST
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Come on George, at least give me an answer here after you called NevadaDem a liar.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:44:33 AM EST
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FYI - Daley liked Bobby Kennedy too...the old Daley...I think it's great that Sen. Obama has so unified Chicago, everyone I talk to there is foe Obama, from the grassroots to the most entrenched political maching hack.


by howardpark on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:41:32 PM EST

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link?


by truthteller2007 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 07:50:35 PM EST
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For which?  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:08:39 PM EST
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I am from Chicago, and this state is unified behind Obama, on the whole.  Link, start with the tribune, dailynews, suntimes...


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:59:21 PM EST
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Agreed.  Maybe we can hook up at Yearly Kos, if I go.  I'm out in Aurora and might make the treck in for one or two of the days.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 10:38:05 PM EST
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The occasional random endorsement is usually not relevant, but Hillary is reeling in dozens of endorsements and many of them are impressive. Endorsements, in that number and of that calibre, buy all kinds of free press; influence voters who may still be undecided; and just add another level of strength to Hillary's position.

Here is a partial list, and we are only halfway through the primary campaign.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/endor sements/

July 2007
7/5 Southern Nevada Elected Leaders Endorse Clinton  
7/5 Manchester Democratic Leader Endorses Hillary Clinton for President  
7/5 Fmr. Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt Endorses Clinton  
7/2 State Rep. Harvin Endorses Clinton  
7/2 Philadelphia Mayor John Street, Rep. Joe Sestak Endorse Clinton  
June 2007
6/30 Clinton Names Iowa Campaign Co-Chairs  
6/30 Clinton Campaign Announces National Hispanic Leadership Council  
6/29 Wisconsin Lt. Governor Lawton Joins Clinton Team  
6/29 Illinois State Rep. Franks Endorses Clinton  
6/29 Minnesota Leaders Endorse Clinton  
6/28 Nevada State Treasurer Kate Marshall Endorses Clinton for President  
6/28 NH Sen. Molly Kelly Becomes 50th State Legislator to Endorse Hillary for President  
6/28 Rhode Island Secretary of State Mollis Endorses Clinton  
6/28 Former New York Mayor David Dinkins Endorses Clinton For President  
6/27 Clinton Campaign Announces Launch Of LGBT Americans For Hillary Steering Committee  
6/27 Congresswoman Lucille Roybal-Allard Endorses Hillary Clinton  
6/26 Boston City Council President Feeney, Councillor LaMattina Endorse Clinton  
6/26 Fmr. Gov. Riley, SC Leaders Named State Co-Chairs  
6/25 Florida Rep. Corrine Brown Endorses Clinton  
6/22 Campaign Announces Asian American and Pacific Islander Leadership Council  
6/22 Mayors From Across California Endorse Clinton  
6/22 New Jersey Rep. Albio Sires Endorses Clinton  
6/22 Arkansas Leaders Endorse Clinton  
6/21 New York's UFCW Local 1500 Endorses Clinton  
6/18 Michigan Democratic Senate Leader Schauer, State Legislators Endorse Clinton  
6/15 Texas Reps. Cuellar, Hinojosa Endorse Clinton  
6/15 Michigan Operating Engineers Local 324 Endorses Clinton  
6/14 Dr. Angelou Announces Endorsement of Clinton in a Video Tribute  
6/14 Maryland Leaders Endorse Clinton  
6/14 Providence Mayor Cicilline Endorses Clinton  
6/14 Clinton Names Weldon Latham National Campaign Co-Chair  
6/13 Steven Spielberg Endorses Hillary  
6/13 Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek Endorses Clinton  
6/13 Maryland Rep. Ruppersberger Endorses Clinton  
6/12 Nevada Senate Minority Leader Dina Titus Endorses Clinton for President  
6/12 New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez Endorses Clinton for President  
6/8 Michigan Leaders Endorse Clinton  
6/7 Clinton Names Florida Reps. Wasserman Schultz, Hastings National Campaign Co-Chairs  
6/6 Rhode Island Senator Sheldon Whitehouse Endorses Clinton for President  
6/5 Sheriff Cabral, Leading Massachusetts Legislators Endorse Clinton  
6/4 Boston Mayor Thomas E. Menino Endorses Hillary Clinton  
6/1 Rhode Island Rep. Jim Langevin Endorses Clinton  
6/1 Clinton Adds Iowans as Midwest Campaign Co-Chairs  
6/1 Las Vegas Latin Chamber of Commerce Chairman Robert Gomez Endorses Clinton  
May 2007
5/31 Clark County Commissioner Chris Giunchigliani Endorses Clinton  
5/30 Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa Endorses Clinton For President  
5/30 Former Nevada Governor Miller Endorses Clinton  
5/29 Campaign Announces Nevada African American Leadership Council  
5/25 Clinton Campaign Announces Veterans and Military Retirees For Hillary  
5/23 State Sen. Deb Reynolds Endorses Hillary Clinton for President


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 08:55:39 PM EST

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Hillary is just doing great re: the Muskie/Mondale/Gephardt/Dean strategy.  If she keeps going down this road she may reel in the big one...Bob Schrum!


by howardpark on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:57:03 PM EST
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Edwards has more big endorsements (candidates elected to State or US offices) than either Clinton or Obama.

Clinton doesn't have a single US Rep from Michigan (Edwards and Obama each have one).

I don't think Clinton even has a State Rep official yet.


Michigan For Edwards and Labor-Netroots for Edwards
by philgoblue on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 09:44:22 AM EST
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Which Endorsements matter:

Des Moines Register
Al Gore
WMUR-only tv station in New Hampshire


by Djneedle83 on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:02:24 PM EST

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and

Ted Kennedy
Tom Harkin (but he apparently won't endorse)
Chet Culver (probably won't endorse, but might wink in someone's direction)
Jimmy Carter


Michigan For Edwards and Labor-Netroots for Edwards
by philgoblue on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 09:45:24 AM EST
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I think this does raise questions about the judgement of Obama. He seems to have hung with a sordid cast of characters in Chicago. If he can't even stand up to Mayor Daley, do we really think he can stand up to leaders like Putin, Chavez, and others?

If this is "New Politics", we should stick with the old!!


by RDemocrat on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 09:53:24 PM EST

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Oh, Please, you don't even live here or you would not make this crazy statement.  And I am assuming here.  Endorsements may matter in tight races, but overall people don't care about it.  People will vote for their candidate, regardless.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 10:01:33 PM EST
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alexi giannoulias -- one of the most progressive voices in illinois state politics today.  he's widely acknowledged as bringing real competence and innovation to the office of state treasurer, even by his doubters.  this hater won't tell you, but i will: illinois is extremely proud of alexi!  alexi was not only one of barack's earliest supporters, but he worked very hard to see barack elected,  and not just from a financial p.o.v.  alexi dared to challenge the machine candidate (knox) -- whom our hater seems to have supported.  don't be fooled, progressives in illinois supported alexi and were thrilled when he won.

dorothy tillman -- not my choice, we helped her opponent (who won).  the hater won't tell you, but i will, that tillman had been a real force in the civil rights movement in the area.  she was a legacy, as it were.  barack was happy to have her endorsement in 2004 and he returned the favor in 2007.  tillman was not rejected for re-election because of any scandal, inferred or otherwise.  she was defeated because her ward had changed (gentrified) and she didn't serve the people who moved into the area like she did the older, traditional residents.  young people, especially young people with money, and seiu strongly support pat dowell and turned out the vote.

i'm absolutely shocked that the hater is attacking barack for endorsing the democrat (stroger) over a republican.  most people here don't support republicans, and one would think that even edwards would have supported the democrat in the race -- especially since the republican had hard-right views on abortion and gays.  todd stroger is in way over his head, but obama's support for a democratic candidate who would oversee the largest health care system in the country (as opposed to the republican candidate) should not surprise anyone but our hater.

as for obama's endorsement of daley, well daley is widely respected outside of chicago for being a green mayor and an innovator.  since he didn't really face any real opposition, this can hardly be seen as a surprise.  again, not my choice, but hardly the grand conspiracy the hater makes it out to be.

the story really should be about how much hate the poster has for democrats, including obama.  THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN REPUBLICANS SUPPORTED on these pages.  are you a republican, troll?


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 11:21:15 PM EST

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just spin and spin and spin.  but be sure you do not fall over.  and one can choose not to endorse if the candidate is truly egregious.  but i think we see a pattern here, and it is not very attractive.


by truthteller2007 on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:07:58 AM EST
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you just can't handle the truth.  you condemn obama for supporting a candidate who takes on the entire chicago machine (alexi) and another who epitomizes it (daley).  you criticize barack for supporting a civil rights icon (tillman) who came out and supported him when the whole of the chicago machine was aimed against him.  and you criticize him for supporting democrats against republicans.  there's nothing to say except that you are a hypocrite.

i'm sorry that the truth is unacceptable to you...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:22:02 AM EST
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if she was such an icon, why did her constituents oust her?  that question remains unanswered, and frankly, cronyism is cronyism.  period.

giannoulias took on the machine?  do you have a link?  and how do you rationalize a family that bankrolls the mob as against the machine?  you dodged that entirely, and i notice there are no relevant links.

regarding stroger and the primary, everyone knew senior was not going to run in the general.  and the endorsement should have been made at that time, but it was not.  but the endorsement for giannoulias, the mafia banker, was made during the primary.  that, i believe, is hyocrisy.

as is the notion that stroger junior is a "progressive," as obama referred to him in one of the articles i cite.  how progressive is nepotism and cronyism?  how progressive is incompetence, which has been stroger's record since in office.  he is an embarrassment.  and while no one i know voted for peraica, i do know that many reform oriented voters did.

the cast of characters here is basically a list of crooks.  you refuse to acknowledge it, and you are in fact a part of it, because you refuse to hold anyone accountable.  so you can claim you are engaged in chicago politics, and you can claim you have supported all the right people, but right now you are coming off as a machine insider who enjoys bullying those who are highlighting the contradictions and the equivocations.

and obama did this in all four cases: they are corrupt, but i still endorse them.  that is not a good record for someone who wants to become president.  and no, this is not going away, because true democrats do not want to deal with this sleaze during the general.


by truthteller2007 on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 01:16:16 AM EST
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tillman lost because she had lost touch with her constituents (gentrification changed large sections of her ward).  she didn't keep up with their demands, especially when people started demanding different kinds of services (a recycling center as opposed to street cleaning, a neighborhood school and more serious business development like a grocery store).  being a leader in the civil rights movement does not make one a great politician.  tillman wasn't; she was a character.

the fact that you have no idea about alexi's battle with madigan is really demonstrative here.  the fact that you raise the machine's charge that broadway bank made loans to people with mob ties demonstrates where your loyalty lies.  these loans were not illegal, banks do not do background checks on clients, and the official policy of the us government is to encourage banks to do business as usual with "the mob" because it allows them to track their activities and is the most successful crime fighting tool they have.  alexi had no idea about these loans and did everything he could within federal privacy laws to make this clear.  according to a former mob prosecutor temporarily assigned to the white house, every bank has similar ties to "the mob."  not only did broadway cooperate with the federal government, but they are considered "good citizens" by the justice department.  alexi worked for a bank.  his bank gave out loans.  some of those loans went to criminals.  that does not provide a "tie" to the mob, it's a spurious charge that michael madigan created and you have chosen to repeat.  there is nothing corrupt about alexi.  machine troll.

john stroger had a stroke a week before the election.  initial reports were actually that he had died -- which would have put forrest in.  forrest did not ask barack for his endorsement because forrest was already walking a fine line between reformers and regular democrats.  you may think (as you seem to) that obama should have just interfered and given his endorsement on his own, but that's not the way it is in chicago politics.  obama knows that, you don't.

obama gave his endorsement to toddler when mike noonan was circling the wagons, trying to prevent a republican from taking over the largest health care system in the united states.  i don't like the process (and supported someone else), but it is what it is.  obama supported a democrat against a radical republican.  and i'm glad he did.

no one called stroger a progressive, that's a strawman argument you've created because you can't handle the truth.  stroger is regular democrat through and through, and i agree he practices cronyism.  but changing the system won't happen by electing a republican -- who would do the same.  forrest was the change we needed and he lost because he didn't get down to the southside and make that argument.  cie la vie.

that you call me a machine insider is just hilarious!  i don't live in chicago.  i do work in chicago, but my alliances in that city are definitely among progressives and reformers (like deb shore, forrest claypool, pat quinn, seiu).  that's one reason why i am with barack, because he shares those same alliances there.  barack, like all elected officials, has allies among the regular democrats, and i'm not so naive to criticize him about that.

you simply have no clue about this subject.  your hypocrisy shows here, barack could do nothing right afa you're concerned.  YOU have allied yourself with the machine while you're criticizing barack for doing the same thing.  you criticize him for supporting a democrat against a republican.  you certainly have done nothing to further big box legislation in chicago, just the opposite.  it's amusing, and it demonstrates that you don't care about the truth, you care about attacking obama -- and that's all...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 08:48:21 AM EST
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and is that why giannoulias barely cleared the primary and barely cleared the general?  his campaigns were not blow outs, and i believe there are reasons.  a 29 year old who inherited daddy's bank for treasurer?  please.


by truthteller2007 on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:09:26 AM EST
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i never said that alexi won by blowouts.  he faced two strong opponents and beat them both.  i wasn't that impressed by the knox county attorney, but others were -- especially the machine.  and carol ronen was a very able opponent.  alexi makes illinois proud because he's done a terrific job as the state treasurer, re-ordering the state's accounts and helping kids go to college.  progressives like that.  i can't speak for republicans...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:24:59 AM EST
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and do you have links for the claims you make?  and why not give everyone a history of the primary between claypool and stroger?  why not give the complete history?  or do you have to lie?


by truthteller2007 on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:13:20 AM EST
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well, since i worked with claypool and was in the room when the conversation about obama was had, i can say that obama never endorsed in the primary and that was the way forrest (and david axelrod, claypool's media consultant) wanted it.

todd stroger wasn't on the primary ballot, and mike noonan and the chicago machine chased down obama's endorsement because it appeared that the toddler was going to lose the chair over the largest health care operation in the country to a right-wing republican...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 12:27:37 AM EST
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Don't forget that in 2006 after Ned Lamont won the Connecticut DEMOCRATIC primary Obama endorsed and campaigned for the misguided and reviled Lieberman!!

Obama is not as pure as the driven snow as the media and his backers would like everyone to believe--he's a politician just like any of them.


by bayareavoter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:22:50 PM EST


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