Trouble in California?

As everyone knows, in the last few Presidential elections one state that has been consistently blue is California. Despite having a Republican Governor, it seems California can be depended on to vote the right way in the Presidential elections. It seems that Republicans might be tired of getting their butts kicked out there. Look at this story I found today:

http://www.comcast.net/news/politics/ind ex.jsp?cat=POLITICS&fn=/2007/07/31/7 27756.html

I wanted to take a closer look at the ramifications of this story:

California awards its cache of 55 electoral votes to the statewide winner in presidential elections _ the largest single prize in the nation. But a prominent Republican lawyer wants to put a proposal on the ballot that would award the statewide winner only two electoral votes.

The rest would be distributed to the winning candidate in each of the state's congressional districts. In effect, that would create 53 races, each with one electoral vote up for grabs.

California has voted Democratic in the last four presidential elections. But the change _ if it qualifies for one of two primary ballots next year and is approved by voters _ would mean that a Republican would be positioned the following November to snatch 20 or more electoral votes in GOP-leaning districts.

This could be disasterous for our Presidential aspirations. If California votes to allow its electors to be split, this could be akin to winning another state or two. As this story points out, just twenty of the California electors peeled off would mean the practical loss of another state. 20 or more electors would be akin to losing another Ohio.

But why would California consider doing this? Look at this paragraph:

A draft of the proposed initiative says nixing the winner-take-all system would give presidential candidates "an incentive to campaign in California. ... Many of the geographic areas of the state would be as important to a candidate's chance for victory as many of the smaller states."

Now, this makes little sense to me. It seems candidates already have plenty of reason to campaign in California with the huge amounts of electors and money to be had there. It seems to me that California isn't ignored either in the primary or general elections. I think Republicans there are just tired of getting beat over and over, so instead of changing their radical agenda which is out of the mainstream of America and California, they hope to tweak the rules and cheat to win some of California's Presidential electors.

Democrats fired back:

Democratic consultant Chris Lehane called the plan "an effort to rig the system in order to fix the election."

"If this change is made, it will virtually guarantee that a Republican wins the White House in 2008," Lehane said in an e-mail.

Nineteen of the state's 53 congressional districts are represented by Republicans. President Bush carried 22 districts in 2004, while losing the statewide vote by double digits.

I agree with Lehane that this is just a scheme to insure a Republican wins the White House in 08, and has nothing to do with the betterment of California or America. It is another partisan attempt by a desperate party of extremists to enforce their will on the majority of the American people who have shunned it. If they can't beat them, they will cheat them!!!

This causes many problems for our party that go beyond the primary and general elections. Check out this paragraph:

If it does qualify, Democrats probably would have to spend millions of dollars to defeat it, which could drain money from other races. And there are expected to be additional ballot proposals on abortion and other social issues that could drive up GOP turnout.

Either way, this is looking like a win-win situation for the Republicans. If they qualify this measure, it will take precious resources that could be used to elect Democrats nationwide, and if they initiative wins, they could use it to cheat America once again and put a Republican in the White House once more against the will of the American people. Talk about sore losers!!!

I hope Democrats in California will rally and unite in an effort to keep this garbage off their ballot. Republicans can't win the hearts and minds of California's Presidential voters, so they are forced to come up with a dishonest scheme to try and trick them into ensuring the Republicans win the White House.

This is what we have come to expect from the Republicans in this country. Their radical agenda does not have the support of the majority of the American people. Instead of changing their radical agenda that has failed, and moving into the mainstream of America, they would rather decieve and trick the people of California into insuring a Republican victory. It is totally disgraceful!! I hope California voters will rise up against this dishonest power-grab and help insure Democracy in America!!


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Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

wow , this is trouble , but I don't believe it will happen


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 02:39:54 PM EST

Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

 the gop are just crooks


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 02:40:28 PM EST

Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

How is this different from what the Dems are trying in North Carolina?


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 02:46:15 PM EST

Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

It is no different from what the Dems are doing in NC.  It just has negative ramifications for the Democrats in the California context.

But all these people who are calling Republicans crooks for doing it in California either don't know about NC or are hypocrits.


"ex nihilo nihil fit"
by Lassallean on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 03:39:23 PM EST
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Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

This should NOT happen, either in NC or CA or PA or anywhere else, if something needs to be changed, make it national!

This is evil Rove's strategy to deny the Democrats a chance to win in 2008, FIGHT BACK DEMS!!! FIGHT BACK!! or we will lose, whether it is Obama, Clinton or anyone else on the ticket and opposed by either Brownback, Romney, Tancredo or even Hunter!


by American1989 on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 02:59:11 PM EST

Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

It would be worth every million spent to defeat it.


Two licks are better than one
by Tommy Twolicks on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 03:04:12 PM EST

Re: Trouble in California? (none / 0)

The group to oppose this should be called "Californians Aganist A Really Stupid Idea".  Colorado did this to oppose a similar measure, and it was defeated.

A comment on another post on this subject suggested putting other initiatives on the ballot as poison pills, such as splitting the state into two, North and South.  Then Northern California could shut off the south's water supply.

A couple of other ideas:

(1) a ballot initiative for the popular vote compact.  The state would cast ALL of its electoral votes for the nationwide popular vote winner.

(2) a ballot initiative calling for repeal of the electoral college and its replacement by election of the President of the United States by direct popular vote.

Also, we need to have ballot initiatives only on the general election ballot in November; not in primaries, not in specials.  

My local Democratic club passed a resolution against separating the California Presidential Primary from the state primary, and prevention of bad ballot propositions was one of the arguments to keep the two together.  Link here.  A similar resolution to return to a consolidated primary election was ruled "out of order" by the resolutions committee of the California State Democratic Party.  

We also need to "refocus" the "leadership" of the California State Democratic Party into standing up for us.  

Finally, can this measure be challenged on Constitutional grounds?  Article II, Section I (second paragraph) of the U. S. Constitution states:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors ...

Note my emphasis on "legislature".  Could the argument be made that a measure passed by the people is unconstitutional because the people are not the legislature?

And if you want to see what other garbage initiatives are in the mill in California, go here:  link

There were 34 when I last checked, including:

(1) a "flat tax" initiative that would, among other things:

  • eliminate the state income tax on individuals
  • exempt certain property used in manufacturing from taxes
  • raise the state sales tax to between 12.75% and 14.25%
  • lower taxes on corporations

(2) An initiative that appears to define as a form of child sexual abuse, both:

  • a child under 16 having a sexually transmitted disease
  • a child under 16 being pregnant

(3) Several anti-gay marriage measures


by Airpower on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 04:10:36 PM EST

It's Just Unlimited Expedience (none / 0)

The Republicans will try any dodge that might give them some advantage. I don't know about the merits of this particular idea, but I know the motives of its promoters. Screw the bastards; this is hardball. The Democratic majority in California should just trash this. After the lousy redistricting scheme they ran in Texas, the Republicans need to be tossed  some hardballs.


by blues on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 01:34:51 AM EST


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