(Update 2 Important) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning point for the Obama campaign?

(Update 2 Important) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning point for the Obama campaign?

UPDATE 2 (lovingj 7-28-2007 8:20pm):

I had to put this update at the top because I thought it was extremely important. Funny that no one in the media thought to call the questioner about what he felt about the resulting answers from the candidates. Well it looks like the Newsday weblog went and called the questioner himself about the issue.

So we called Stephen Sixta, the 59-year-old California video producer who asked on YouTube about the candidates' willingness to meet with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Cuba, N. Korea and Venezuela. He said it's been pretty much "surreal" to spend the last week hearing the question he wrote repeated in some kind of endless loop by everyone from Wolf Blitzer to Rush Limbaugh.

His bottom line: He liked Obama's answer, and he thought Hillary misconstrued what he meant by "preconditions" in acting like Obama had agreed to meet Fidel and Chavez with no diplomatic groundwork whatsoever. He said his question just meant there shouldn't be a requirement of a change in a country's behavior as a condition of talking to them.

"My question had something I wanted my government to achieve. I wanted my country to go out and speak to countries we don't speak to," Sixta said. "When the attacks started on Obama they were attacks on my question and what I wanted. They made me feel bad."

- Stephen Speaks

Original Diary

Last weeks headlines was dominated by the difference of views being expressed by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Much noise was made by the washington pundits and inside the beltway types that argued Clinton was right and came out on top of the whole feud. She won the praise of Senator John McCain as a result of this whole ordeal.

"I think that Senator Obama showed a degree of naivete when he advocated direct talks with the leader of North Korea and the president to Iran and of all these other people who are sponsoring terror all over the world," McCain told The Associated Press between campaign stops in New Hampshire.

- Source

Charles Krauthammer of the Washington Post wrote an article entitled Strike Two that showered Hillary Clinton's position in the debate with glowing praise. He, by the way, was also the same author who wrote Three Cheers for the Bush Doctrine. So while Senator Clinton has been garnering a great deal of praise from the same people who thought the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a good idea, it would seem that there is a large disconnect between those considered "in the know" and the American people. CNN focus group viewers, hardly pundit types, clearly agreed with Obama's position and the latest Ramussen Poll shows that Democrats agree with Obama's position compared to Clinton's by a whopping 55% to 22% respectively.

My latest Obama citizen ad video that reveals the truth behind the ordeal has recieved an enormous amount of hits. In just two days, it has amassed more than 6,000 views and more than than a hundred different comments and ratings. The people are ready for something different.

In 2002, Obama stood alone among the major democratic contenders and inside the beltway pundits to voice his opposition to the looming Iraq invasion. He stated his opposition with startling prescience about the future consequences of such an invasion. He used his judgment to voice what was right even though popular concensus at the time among those considered "in the know" thought he was wrong. Once again he is using his judgment to voice what he believes is right in regards to matters of foreign policy even though, once again, those considered "in the know" thinks he is wrong. That undoubtedly is the quality of a leader and what we need in 2008 is a leader . . . a leader for change.

Last week's dispute offered Obama the opportunity he needed to show the American electorate his strengths. He believes in the politics of hope. He believes in removing cynicism and special interests' influence from blocking the peoples' needs. However, Obama is also a fighter and he will fight to achieve these goals. We want to rid our politics of "its smallness" but you have got to fight to get there . . . Obama, as evidenced by last weeks exchange with Clinton, is willing to do just that.

Obama said he could prove [his] toughness against a rival [republican] campaign during the primary.

"If I win the nomination against Hillary Clinton, then I must be pretty tough. I'm just being realistic. They don't play. They're very serious about winning, as are, I think, all of my very worthy competitors," Obama said.

- Source

Obama now has the luxury of using his large campaign rallies to spread the message of change. Senator Clinton has provided Obama with the greatest gift his campaign ever needed . . . a reason to highlight the difference between there two campaigns. Yes Senator Obama, we want you to keep ramming home the same message you told in Concord, NH on July 26th. Every campaign stop, every debate, every interview, every speech and every breath utter what this campaign has been about since 2002 . . . change.

 

 

He has begun advertising his message of change and good judgment on Daily Kos. He uses the clever heading "Judgment Matters."

It's time to project strength through diplomacy again, and time to turn the page on the same insider thinking that led Congress to authorize George Bush's war in Iraq.

- Barack Obama's Ad on Daily Kos

If you click the ad then you are taken to Obama's Choose Leadership: Join our movement for change page which ingeniously ties together his reponse to diplomacy at the CNN / Youtube debates to his 2002 opposition to the Iraq war. Ultimately, it is going to be judgment that decides the 2008 democratic nomination and fortunately for Senator Obama he has just the right amount of goods.

 

Latest Update about the Obama Citizen Ad Campaign:

The Obama Citizen Ad Campaign has its first viral video with more than 6,000 views in the last two days. I recieved overwhelming emails from users everywhere asking me to include the footage that caused Senator Clinton to go negative. So by popular demand, I've recut the video to include the new conclusion.

 

UPDATE (lovingj 7-28-07 6:03pm eastern):

Amazing. In the last couple of hours, the original Hillary flips on diplomacy video has garnered an additional 1,000 views. We are now up to 7,000 plus. The demand for change is real folks.


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worthless propaganda (1.00 / 2)

This is worthless daily propaganda. There's no news, zip.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 05:36:34 PM EST

Re: worthless propaganda (3.00 / 1)

Of course a diary about Hillary joking about her hair is news.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 05:43:19 PM EST
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Re: (Update) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning p (none / 0)

Maybe obama should explain his position about speaking with this dictators , since every time he opens his mouth to talk about he sticks his foot in his mouth.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:13:31 PM EST

Re: (Update) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning p (3.00 / 2)

Maybe you should read up or shut up.  There are plenty of articles.  Such as this one http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20013543/


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:35:05 PM EST
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Re: (Update) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning p (none / 0)

You know I read the article in the link and I must tell you I am more confused about his positions , He looks like he has caught himself in his own spin , he contradicts himself.

"I am confident we can go before the world and talk to the worst dictators and tell them we don't believe in your values, we don't believe in your human rights violations, we don't believe in you exporting terrorism, but if you are willing to work with us in a better direction then we're willing to talk," Obama said. "We shouldn't be afraid."

What does this mean ,

"but if you are willing to work with us in a better direction then we're willing to talk,"

That sure sounds like preconditions to me. He should stop digging himself in whole. Its almost like a 7 yr old kid who knows his position is something else but he has gone so far into the untruths every time he speaks about the situation he contradicts himself. He should just accept that his through position is Clinton's position and he didn't answer the question well at the debate. Because he has taken several positions on this issue in the past 3 days. He is just sounding like Gravel now so far left wing ,even kucinich will have some preconditions.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:44:37 PM EST
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Re: (Update) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning p (none / 0)

sorry "true position " . He keeps this thing alive by talking about it , foreign policy isn't his strong suit and it shows.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:46:35 PM EST
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Good job lovingJ (none / 0)

Your video is gaining a lot of traction on youtube...

Have you noticed that the Clinton camp put their video of Hillary playing the "victim card" on youtube, but your video is getting much more views and betterratings then hers?

Try to link the video everywhere possible...Have you send it to every media outlet possible?

Your video does not paint her in a great light.

The Clinton are fighting mad as hell , but the problem with that is when you're a frontrunner , you have to try to avoid those confrontation , especially with opponents that trails you...She should be worried about Edwards in Iowa but her eyes is on Obama and Obama has her backing down big time.


by JaeHood on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 06:56:39 PM EST
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Not to mention (none / 0)

the 258,000 donors.  These supporters are not donating for nothing.  We want to help Obama win this fight to change our government.


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:01:11 PM EST
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Re: Not to mention (none / 0)

You know if Obama even gets to the general election he has just thrown away the National Security question to the republicans he is already not polling well on the national security question , I don't know why he insist on sounding like Mike Gravel when most people know he is a thoughtful guy and he is more in line with Hillary on that question of talking to dictators. Each time he tries to explain himself his rhetoric is almost further to the left than kucinich which is not him and he ends up contradicting himself. He looks like the one triangulating now.

On this one Clinton 1 , Obama 0 . His campaign is on the ropes now and it is of his own making. He should just stop digging, I wonder why he keps the story alive , he is damaging himself in the General election by trying too hard to be at the far left, NS is going to be important in 08 especially if God forbid there is a terror strike anywhere in the world and obama if he is the nominee will pay for the position he is mouthing off now.  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:11:27 PM EST
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Your argument (3.00 / 1)

sounds like the same drumbeat mindset to foreign policy in 2002.  Stubborn and no longer realistic.  Our credibility is sinking with each passing moment we keep Bush and his stubborn foreign policies in office.  I want a leader who is not afraid of diplomacy but strong on what we want to accomplish with rogue nations.


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:22:32 PM EST
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Re: Your argument (none / 0)

nice work by the diarist. can't wait for the next one. all the best from the Green and Bold.


by the green and bold on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:52:51 PM EST
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Re: Not to mention (none / 0)

Good thing national security is one of how many issues?  Nevertheless, you have to understand how far off the right wing conservatives have been so far.  They don't carry much ground themselves.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:30:43 PM EST
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Re: Not to mention (none / 0)

you sound raving mad to me. How exactly would being open to talk to enemies make Obama any more or less responsible for a terrorist attack? There is just no connection between those thoughts whatsoever. Do you see that?

Why don't you go play around on youtube and find the Obama:Smackdown video on the subject. In this video you will see the Hillary of last year repeating the position she called "naive" last week.

What exactly is an American president afraid of, that he cannot talk to an enemy? Are they going to sucker-punch him when he isn't looking? And all this business about propaganda is inane. They will make propaganda regardless of what we do, just about anything can be twisted (see: Bush Admin's policies on... everything). What Barack is saying, and this is not only legitimate but obviously legitimate is that its silly to play childish cold-shoulder games in foreign policy.


by alipi on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:31:38 PM EST
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Re: Not to mention (none / 0)

Lori it's judgement liek yours that led Hillary to sanction the boggest foreign policy debacle in our nations history, thanks for the clarification.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:41:05 PM EST
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Re: Not to mention (none / 0)

Keep posting the same thing over and over and you might actually start to believe yourself.


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:00:38 AM EST
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Re: Not to mention (none / 0)

loving - why can't I see stuff on the right side?
MyDD stuff is covering part of your diary.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:31:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Make the window bigger. (none / 0)


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:07:11 AM EST
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Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

Hasn't that been her biggest selling point?  If you visit Black websites, you will see that many have been predicting this for some time: Obama would be characterized as the stereotypical Black male agressor against the white woman.  As long as he was the happy go lucky, hopeful, forgiving, "I'll absolve white liberals of their guilt" Black male, he was appealing.  But the moment HE RESPONDS to her attack, he's characterized as the agressor.  Some of the posts and articles I've been reading seem like they were pulled from Alabama 1957 instead of 2007. Some are being some outwardly racist as to attempt to stoke the historically uneasy relationship between Black and Jews, saying he was comparing her to Hitler (Wonkette and other sites) and Wolfson saying Obama wanted to build alliances with a Holocaust denier, which caused Chris Matthews to go into fit.  I'm sure things will be smoothed over if he issued the following release...

"Y'all good white folks are absolutely right...I should have never talked back to Missy Hillary like that.  She ain't been nothing but good to us colored folks.  I'm just acting like an uppity, over-educated negroe.  Ain't nothing wrong with her calling me naive and rresponsible.  That's just a polite way of saying I'm being stupid and acting like the rest of them no account negroes.  She was just being nice!  Now she done sent out her overseer, Vilsack, to give me a good lashing. I'm so sorry!"


by Dee on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:23:19 PM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

He should go after her from a position of strenght he is playing from a position of weakness. I would like to ask any Obama supporter if anyone truely believes his rhetoric about not setting preconditions is what he believes in . It is not , but I think he realized he made a mistake at the debate and was looking for a way to spin it to his benefit , now he has just lost control of it . If he finds a way through the primaries he will be pummelled on the National Security front ,because the position he is taking now is way out there to the left , its just not him.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:32:50 PM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

I noticed that too, but I didn't want to go there, but what the hell. Hillary throws a punch, Obama responds then Hillary declares herself a victo, she's under attack and infers Obama's getting angry, she is going to play the "black man attackes poor Hillary card" and it's starting now, the rules for the clinton campaign are as follows .........Hillary can attack Obama calling him Naive, Obama responds he's the "angry black man" like all other black politicians, kind of what she sent her stalking horse Vilsack out to do in Iowa today......Obama attacking Hillary isn't the Iowa way........yeah I guess not, becuase Hillary is the victom, a card she's been very good at playing her entire life.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:47:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Got a link to the Vilsack thing? (none / 0)

This is the first I heard of this.  What happened?


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:54:16 PM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

this is just ridiculous didn't he build his campaign as that bipartisanship , beyond politics of personal attacks etc. When you build yourself up as that you rae obviously setting yourself up for a fall and do not think you won't be accussed of hypocrisy when you fall short of your standards , thats exactly what happened here , it had nothing to do with race , c'mon.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:55:09 PM EST
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Not quite. (none / 0)

Against attacks like the personal ones Bill Clinton was exposed to or the one John Edwards recently faced over the haircut thing.  Those kinds of attacks do not address issues and are simply use to demean a persons character whether the person issuing the attacks is better or not.

The other thing is Obama is responding to Hillary's name calling.  If you expect him to sit back and be a punk while Hillary insults him and his platform then I think you clearly do not understand what the politics of hope is all about.

Cynicism does not mean being punked or bullied.


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by lovingj on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:59:51 PM EST
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Re: Not quite. (none / 0)

what happened here was like someone punching you in the face and you picking up a club and instead of hitting the person who punched you in the face you hit yourself over the head with it , self inflicted damage . He might get away with it in the primary with his rhetoric which wasn't his position the day before the debate even as recently as today but he is damaging himself in the general election. The viability of his candidacy in the general could be based on whether National security is an overriding concern or not in 08 which is clearly not the case for Hillary . I can already see the ads running .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 08:11:41 PM EST
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National security? (none / 0)

If you think the republican vision of national security has any credibility then you are seriously kidding yourself.  You are still thinking like this is the '04 election.  The electorate is changing and fortunately Obama is proving that he is capable of staying ahead of the times with his judgment.  Tell Hillary to catch up.


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by lovingj on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 08:17:00 PM EST
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Nice video (none / 0)

You did a nice job compiling all those clips and editing it together. Thank you.


"Nothing seems to embarrass the political class today." - Bill Moyers
by joejoejoe on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 08:04:33 AM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

"Politics of Hope" not equal to "Politics of Weakness"

You get attacked, you respond simple. Shut-up with the above the fray nonsense. If he doesn't respond to her he is viewed as weak which is way worse than punching her right back. A glass jaw, he does not have!

And as far as the "Angry Black Man" meme? it won't stick. Not to this guy....TOO MUCH DAMNED CHARISMA..., all he needs to do is trot out his  WHITE Grand Mother and .......anyway y'all get the point.....


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:06:47 PM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

I've also noticed that and someone will have to be bold and put her on the spot for that.

Being African American, i'm fucking pissed off because i know how powerful the "white women blaming the angry black guy for attacking her"card is...The problem with this is Hillary clearly swong first and for her to play the victim card is very discusting.

I just cant stand this woman..i swear...I can no longer vote for her if she's the nominee...I cant vote for a person playing the kind of politics...Its dirty and it doesnt smell good.

I'll vote for bloomberg or not vote at all and i dont care what anybody says...It's like asking a man to shake hand with someone who stabbed him in the back.


by JaeHood on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 10:59:02 PM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

This is the method of attack constantly used by the GOP...

1. Attack your opponent.

2. Play the victim when your opponent responds to your attack.


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:04:18 AM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

Looks like race baiting is already on the way, am I surprised? LOL.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:56:13 PM EST
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Re: Your surprised by the victim role? (none / 0)

Care to clarify this comment at all?

Sounds like you're disgusted with people saying that there is race based discrimination in this country.

Please explain.


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:08:45 AM EST
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Re: (Update) The Obama/Clinton Feud: The turning p (none / 0)

The Clinton campaign is making this a 2nd week story by now having Vilasick coming out to talk about it.

My take they must have been stung by this for a front runner would not want this dispute to continue, for their is only a loss for the front runner and everybody else has nothing to lose.

If she had been the big winner last week in the dispute, she would not have put Vilasick out in the news today to talk about it.

The Rasmussen poll:

Showing rank and file democrats siding with Obama 55 to 22 % for Clinton must jibe with their internal polls.

Also the research 2000 poll of July 23-25th showing Clinton dropping in IA must have had an affect on their campaign.


by BDM on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 10:44:08 PM EST
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Dear Clinton Supporters, (3.00 / 0)

You lost this round.

Sincerely,
Reality

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/28/ 184544/477


by msbatxnyc on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 08:51:28 PM EST
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Interesting (none / 0)

All this talk bashing Obama for naming he that shall not be named. ( The Democrats Voldemort - Ronald Reagan ) I notice nothing is being made of the fact that Chief Warmongering Republican, John McCain is taking Hillary's side.

The Republicans do not want to run against Barack Obama. They will LOSE. They will lose all their Moderates and the Independents to the Democratic Party and they know this. With Hillary, they have a fighting chance because she will assist them in keeping the nation polarized throughout the elections and they can beat her like they did last time. They want a polarizing figure. They do not want a serious candidate.

Republicans and the Clinton's are not serious about this nation. They are playing politics and fighting political party wars with each other. We don't have time for this crap.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:21:26 PM EST

The turn down for Obama, maybe (none / 0)

But probably not.

My guess is that it is meaningless.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:29:14 PM EST

Re: The turn down for Obama, maybe (3.00 / 0)

Actually, polling and reality are quite clearly supporting the opposite conclusion.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/28/ 184544/477


by msbatxnyc on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 08:52:37 PM EST
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Pretty narrow margain (none / 0)

Of what I assume to simply be "adults surveyed".


by dpANDREWS on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 11:23:27 PM EST
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Re: Pretty narrow margain (none / 0)

55-22 PERCENT OF RANK AND FILE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTING oBAMA'S POSITION OVER cLINTON'S IS NO SMALL MARGIN.


by BDM on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:40:27 AM EST
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doesn't sound good (none / 0)

This does not smell good.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:55:30 PM EST

Re: Obama supporters are trying desperately (none / 0)

More and more, die hard Obama supporters are desperately trying to find anything that will stick.

Turning point? What turning point? Hillary just scored points among the moderate voters BOTH in the Democratic primary & the general election.

Remember. moderate voters are the majority in both the Presidential primary & the general.

The one who screams & yells the loudest is not the majority. Bill Bradley & Howard Dean learned that the hardway.

The netroots community is not the majority.

If the netroots were the majority, Dr. Dean would be President today.

If the netroots were the majority, Lieberman would have been defeated last year & be retired today.

If the netroots were the majority , Obama would be #1 in polls across the country while Hillary Clinton would be in 5th or 6th place.

But when reality sets in, every single poll out there shows HRC with a big lead among all democrats.

Please! Its desperation time.


by fightingLadyinblue on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 08:40:09 PM EST

Re: Obama supporters are trying desperately (none / 0)

Except IA, NC, IL, ID and OK and within the MOE in AL and GA,


by BDM on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:29:43 AM EST
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Re: Obama supporters are trying desperately (none / 0)

Hillary sure needs points with the moderates because her polling among Independents is nothing short of pathetic.  Unelectable even.


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:12:33 AM EST
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funny update, but you skipped something (none / 0)

In the aftermath of the debate, as both candidates tried to exploit their differences, Sixta said he felt both went too far -- Obama is not "irresponsible," and Hillary is not Bush-Cheney lite. "It's a little severe on both sides," Sixta said. "In a way both of them are wrong. Maybe part of what they say is accurate, but they seem to be stretching it."

I think this may be a turning point for Obama. People are tired of go it alone, cowboy diplomacy. They want a change to a more cooperative, professional diplomacy that works to resolve problems, not one built on lectures to dictators about how great America is. Obama is arguing for more of the same, the freelance personal diplomacy, and ignoring the professional diplomats, that got us into trouble around the world, and that, in Bush, devolved into gunboat diplomacy. Obama's heart is in the right place, but his approach would only get us into more trouble.


by souvarine on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 09:25:41 PM EST

love your vid!!!! (3.00 / 0)

You do such a great job with your utube vids. Thankyou and keep up the excellent work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY1rtmIo vk


by Bucky on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 09:30:51 PM EST

Hey thanks. (none / 0)

Keeping spreading the word.  The MSM cannot spin over the voices of a hundred thousand supporters.

Lets make our voices heard.


Obama Citizen Ad Videos
by lovingj on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 09:37:29 PM EST
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Re: The turning point for the Obama campaign? (none / 0)

Good Diary as usual.  You're video is making the rounds I've seen it just about everywhere I've been on the blogs.

Edwards, it seems agreed with Clinton on her position about not talking to rogue leaders, especially during her first year.  Since most people agree with Obama, I wonder where he stands now.

Another thing,  If she plans to end the war if George Bush haven't by the time she takes office (if she wins the presidency) how does she plan to do so if she isn't willing to talk to Syria and Iran to get them to engage diplomatically?  

I guess the troops are going to have to wait until 2010 before she decide to engage the Middle East. By that reason, I don't think she plans to do anything to bring them home any time soon.

(for the record, I'm a military mom. My daughter  has just returned from  her second deployment)


by Jalenth on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 10:12:06 PM EST

Stephen Sixta... (none / 0)

...and the American people...

...seem to have had the final word.

Obama '08


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 10:23:41 PM EST

e Obama/turning point for the Obama (none / 0)

if the netroots were the majority, Lieberman would have been defeated last year & be retired today.............................wow you guys are off on your talking points today............LAMONT DID WIN THE PRIMARY, and was re-elected thanks to Republicans in the general, Obama is keeping this going because he knows he's got a winner with the primary electorate. That's why Hillary no longer is talking about the substanse of the issue, she's just whining about being under attack and vilified.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 10:28:57 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

There has been a lot of talk on all sides, even Edwards getting in on it.  We'll have to see how this reflects in the polls- I'm not really sure how America sees it but we'll know pretty soon if he loses support or gets a bump from it.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:21:04 AM EST

Re: (none / 0)

True, and vice/versa for Clinton.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:34:13 AM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

I agree- for her as well- and being honest, I don't know how it will end up.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 03:59:06 AM EST
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Re:HOW AMERICA SEE'S IT (none / 0)

Well Vilasek the Gov. of IA was trouted out by the Clinton campaign to defend Hillary and attack Obama.

If last week was going so well for Clinton on this issue, I doubt that they would put out a surogate to speak on this issue. Especially if your the front runner. You don't want to get embroiled on this type of issue, because there is no up-side to your campaign. It is always great for the campaign that is currently behind.

I believe that Clinton's internal poll's have showed slippage. The MD poll showed slippage in IA and Rasmussen's poll on this issue regarding rank and file democrats showed her losing to Obama by 55-22%


by BDM on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:35:58 AM EST
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Right, the Clinton campaign is so tactically brain dead that they are keeping the story alive to hurt themselves more!

Somehow I suspect they see evidence that this is helping them. If they thought it hurt they would change the subject, they wouldn't keep asking Obama to elaborate on what he said in the debate.


by souvarine on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:55:05 AM EST
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IMHO, I think Obama has hit a turning point, but not in a good way for him.  He is tanking in Iowa.


by jsamuel on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 01:07:46 AM EST

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Get real.  Iowans are not even paying serious attention to the caucuses yet.  I should know, I live right in the center of the state.

But since you like line graphs, can you provide me with the same line graph for the 2003-04 Dem caucuses in Iowa?  Or would that make you look foolish for believing early Iowa polls?


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:17:21 AM EST
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Obama has scored points on this one, yet it may turn out that Richardson would be the big winner out of this because he could piggyback Obama's rhetoric while at the same time stressing his experience.  I.E. I don't like Hillary, and Obama is right but too young.  Richardson seems ready.  He could thread the needle.


by Todd Bennett on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 05:13:39 AM EST
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I totally agree here, 100%


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 03:56:01 PM EST
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Too young?

Yeah, cuz the old white man model has been working quite well for the last 40 years or so.


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 04:06:32 PM EST
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Pollster.com has listed all kinds of qualifiers for looking at these graphs.  There are too few data points to really build too much of a clear picture of the race.  Look at how the data points are all over the place.  And it relies on an eclectic bunch of pollsters.  Lastly, there's only been one Iowa poll in the last month.  


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by psericks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 07:26:24 AM EST
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20 data points this year is not too shabby at this point. I'm certain by the end of this year, we will have that many in a month.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 08:36:45 AM EST
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I'm still waiting for line graph of the 2003-04 dem nomination.


by JR Hawks on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 04:08:24 PM EST
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Different election. Less polls, and less people paying attention.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 06:12:47 PM EST
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"Different election. Less polls, and less people paying attention."

Translation: The 2003-04 line graph would show dramatic movement in the last month of the campaign that essentially made all the polls before December 2003 look worthless.  And I wouldn't people to think that could happen again in 2007-08 because it would make my Obama frame look premature and silly.


by JR Hawks on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 12:24:23 AM EST
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What do you all think about the Clinton-Obama row over meeting with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela and North Korea?

Personally, though Clinton seemed more measured, her answer delivers us more of the same.  I really liked Obama's fresh approach.  

This is an important issue that is key to reversing the damage that Bush/Cheney has done to American image in the world.  Vote on your preferenc on http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid= 249

Make your voice heard.  It's important.


by frankie on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:01:48 PM EST

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Troll-rated for complete effing stupidity. I like to tell people that the difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals don't oversimplify every issue to the point that it is broken down into the lowest common denominator. That's is exactly what I think you are guilty of here.

Using the Reagan comparison(which SHOULD refer to the vehicle for change brought by his campaign as opposed to his methods of governing) as though you haven't devoted to it a single second of thought, is just downright embarrassing. You're just spewing the same nonsense over and over again, and for what?


by mihan on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:04:36 PM EST


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