OR-Sen: Merkley Close To Getting In

The AP is reporting some very good news for Democrats seeking to unseat Oregon Senator Gordon Smith next year.

Oregon House Speaker Jeff Merkley plans to file notice with the Federal Election Commission by Aug. 1 that he'll be running for the U.S. Senate against incumbent Republican Gordon Smith.

While he hasn't officially committed to running (and is reportedly holed up with his family in final decision making mode), the likelihood of Merkley's entrance into the race and the imminence of his announcement was confirmed by Jon Isaacs who, according to Loaded Orygun, is heading up Merkley's nascent senate campaign team.

This news comes on the heels of consistent polling that confirms that Gordon Smith is vulnerable. For example, SUSA's latest poll has Smith's job approval under 50%. And last week Jonathan wrote about a Grove Insight poll for the DSCC that has Smith's re-elect at 34% and his job approval at 37%. And on the Smith Merkley match-up in particular:

Smith is well below 50 percent in a head-to-head matchup against potential Democratic challenger Jeff Merkley...Perhaps more importantly, the poll shows that Smith's lead over Merkley is only in the single digits.

Now Loaded Orygun brings us a new poll (conducted by Lake Research on behalf of the Democrat already in the race, Steve Novick) which shows Smith's re-elect at 32%.

One interesting piece of this poll to keep an eye on is Smith's favorablity/unfavorability at 59/25, a phenomenon that shows that despite liking Gordon Smith, Oregonians are willing, eager even, to replace him, just as Rhode Island voters threw out the well-liked Lincoln Chafee last year.

[editor's note, by Todd Beeton] made a few edits regarding how I described the polls, added SUSA - Todd



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Re: OR-Sen: Merkley Close To Getting In (none / 0)

I'd put Gordon Smith(OR) in the same category as Mike DeWine(OH).

Gordon Smith(OR) like Mike DeWine(OH) are considered to moderate for the base of the Republican primary making them vulnerable in a primary but too conservative for the voters in the state they represent. Making them vulnerable in the general election depending on the right challenger.

Gordon Smith(OR) like Mike DeWine(OH) is vulnerable to defeat due the Bad environment for the GOP especially in a purple state. DeWine(OH) lost due to the problems facing OH and National GOP plus. Sherrod Brown is a credible challenger.  While Merkley is no Kitzhaber,DeFazio,Bluemenaur.- Merkley is a credible challenger.


by nkpolitics on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 10:47:40 AM EST

Re: OR-Sen: Merkley Close To Getting In (none / 0)

That same poll showed Novick with a 10 point name recognition advantage (49% to 39%). Granted, he's already been campaigning for a couple of months, but to already have better name recognition than any other challenger after being a relative unknown outside of political circles is pretty impressive.

Here in Oregon, we all love Jeff Merkley, and we're looking forward to a terrific primary with (at least) two progressive candidates, but at this point, I don't think he's any more or less credible than Novick. The one edge he might have had (fundraising) has been erased by Steve's $200,000.00 head start.


by hubbird on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 10:58:45 AM EST

Re: OR-Sen: Merkley Close To Getting In (none / 0)

   I'm surprised by Novick's high name recognition.  He's better known than the Speaker of the House?  It does mean that Merkley has more room to grow.  It's also true that Merkley's polling numbers are somewhat better than Novick's.  Once Merkley becomes the establishment candidate, he'll probably get tons of cash.  Novick is my favorite senate candidate of the cycle so far.  It will be a very interesting primary.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:11:56 PM EST
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Not true Merkley's numbers are better (none / 0)

They are almost exactly the same. If you want to be picky, Jeff does 2 points worse than Novick.


by torridjoe on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:54:21 PM EST
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Not quite 10 points (none / 0)

Novick is at 46, not 49. Still, that's pretty good for this point in the race, concerning someone with no electoral experience.


by torridjoe on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:52:54 PM EST
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Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

When you say 34% or 32% would re-elect him, it doesn't mean that 66% or 68% would vote against him. In both of those polls, "consider voting for someone else" ranked higher than his re-elect numbers, which ranked higher than his "I will vote for someone else" numbers. While its not a sign of support for Smith, its also not a sign of support for his opponent. In truth, according to both polls, well over 50% of the population either would vote for him or consider voting for him. And in both polls, close to 50% would vote against him or consider voting against him.

Loaded Orygun also doesn't note that Novick's poll at Smith beating him by 23 points, 50-27, and that the ballot test was preceded by a biographical sketch of Novick, which inflates his showing in the poll. While Smith is on shaky ground, his defeat is far from a done deal.


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 11:04:30 AM EST

Re: Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

   Oh unabridged, you are the dark lining to every silver cloud.  Last cycle every talking head and know-it-all said that the Democrats could not take the Senate.  They were soooo wrong.  After 2008 we will have a much larger majority in the Senate.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 11:59:51 AM EST
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Re: Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

No, I'm the realistic lining to every dreaming cloud. I'm of the mind that a more accurate look at each race will help win elections more than lofty idealism.


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 01:40:34 PM EST
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Re: Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

out of curiosity . . .

2 years ago, who did you think was going to win which senate races?

2 years ago I was at a Democratic net loss of 2, gaining PA but losing MI, WA, and MN. However, it is arguable that unlike the righty blogosphere, the lefty blogosphere has more real world action and as such our lofty idealism, to an extent, does turn to actual results. For example, even though there was no candidate 2 years ago, I knew someone could beat George Allen on the grounds that everytime I saw him on hardball he could not make a policy statement without mentioning football. His perceived lack of senatorial intellegence made him vulnerable in my mind. Low and behold, the cries for someone, lead to someone who could hold him to task and point out his faults, whther those be accidental campaign flaws or otherwise.

Additionally, if the lefty blogosphere was not clamoring for candidates in Oregon, Texas, North Carolina, etc. does this not encourage higher tier candidates to enter? Also, does this blogosphere also not encourage activism and a tool to quickly push out rapid response and campaign themes? In other words, does our lofty idealism, not also push seats into play? Now there are limits, no matter how bad we want it, Georgia, Wyoming, and Mississippi are not happening (unless Cochran retires and Mike Moore gets in). But even here, this activism could cause their re-elections to be 5 points closer, which gives something to build on.


by Trowaman on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 02:15:28 PM EST
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Re: Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

There is a difference between setting high goals and selectively reading the news in order to believe your side is doing better than it actually is. And I'm not accusing anyone on MyDD of doing that, but it happens often.


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 02:58:33 PM EST
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Re: Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

Scenario 1 Smith loses by a 53-47 percent margin.
If you add the definetly against Smith and leaning against Smith= 53%
If you add the definetly for Smith and leaning toward Smith- 47%

Scenario- 2 Smith wins by a 56-43 percent margin.
Definetly for Smith- 32%
Definetly against Smith- 19%
Undecided- 49%. (Split Undecided in 1/2


by nkpolitics on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:08:24 PM EST
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Re: Be careful with those re-elect numbers (none / 0)

   That's only if the election were today.  The election is not today, and no one, and I mean no one, is paying attention to senate races yet.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:12:38 PM EST
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LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

The original Hotline article we were passed did not include them, but shortly therafter we updated with the piece from The Hill, noting the original figures.

It's also not correct that 50-27 is after a Novick bio. There were three rounds of questions, and 50-27 was the base figure. Then there was a bio round which had positive info for both Novick and Smith. Smith stayed where he was, Novick moved up. Then they tested some possible lines of attack against Smith, and the final figures brought Smith down under 50 and Novick within the margin of error.

As for re-elect, the key point to grasp is that while you can certainly get to 50%+ by siphoning off enough "will consider voting for"'s, the base number is very low for an incumbent. Typically the re-elect is in the mid 40s for a safe candidate this far out. To be approaching 30 is not good at all.


by torridjoe on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:59:56 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

I never argued that they were good. But its important to caveat "only 32% said they would re-elect Smith" with an acknowledgement that voters were given three options, not two.

And here's the note from the Hotline:

"Note: While initial and "informed" head-to-head matchups were conducted, even the initial matchup questions included "biographical" information about the candidates. The Hotline does not publish figures without complete wording for such questions."


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 01:42:12 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

yes, I'm saying that is incorrect information from Hotline. They are referring to the second round, which is not what the 50-27 represents. There was no informing going on in that first round.


by torridjoe on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 01:52:33 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

Then take it up with the National Journal. Until I hear from them, they're who I'm going to believe.

What the Hotline is saying is that, yes a second round was conducted, but even in the first round, the initial ballot, which resulted in the 50-27, biographical information was given about Steve Novick.


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 02:55:09 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

And that is wrong. It HAS been taken up with the Nat'l Journal, and I have confirmed with the Novick campaign (who commissioned the thing, remember), that there was NO informing going on with the 50-27 figure. So stop saying it, please.

There were THREE rounds, not TWO. Please, if you don't have the correct information, don't confuse people. I had to correct you once regarding what you were saying about our site, and you have yet to acknowledge your error in that case.


by torridjoe on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 03:14:15 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

The update you posting on LO was posted after my comment here. It wasn't an error on my part.


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 04:39:01 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

No, you are wrong...AGAIN. The update was posted YESTERDAY at 11:45 AM. You commented today.

It was in fact an error on your part. I suggest you quit while you're (way) behind, and stop correcting people unless you are sure of your information.


by torridjoe on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 05:15:47 PM EST
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Re: LO did report those numbers (none / 0)

Ah, apologies about the update. I must not have seen it then. I was in error.

As far as the Hotline note goes, I have no reason to think that you're wrong, but until I see evidence, I'm going to have to go with a trusted media outlet.


by Unabridged on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 09:45:52 PM EST
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2008 US Senate Analysis. (none / 0)

Democratic Seats
1)Arkansas- Pryor- Safe (Free Pass)
2)Delaware- Biden- Safe (Blue State)
3)Illinios- Durbin- Safe(Blue State)
4)Iowa- Harkin- Safe (Free Pass)
5)Louisiana- Landrieu- Vulnerable if Top Tier Challenger emerges. Incumbent Favored.
6)Massachusetts- Kerry- Safe (Blue State)
7)Michigan- Levin-Safe(Blue State)
8)Montana- Baucus-Safe(Free Pass)
9)New Jersey- Lautenberg- Safe (Blue State)
10)Rhode Island- Reed- Safe (Blue State)
11)South Dakota- Johnson- Safe(Free Pass)
12)West Virginia- Rockefeller- Safe(Free Pass)
All of the Democratic Senate Seats(2008)will remain in the Democratic column.

Republican Seats
1)Alabama- Sessions-(R)Safe(Red State)
2)Alaska- Stevens(R)- Watch List
  a)Incumbent is Weak due to scandals- Vulnerable incumbent favored if Stevens runs again.
  b)Open Seat- Safe (R)- Red State.
3)Colorado- OPEN-Allard(R)- Lean Takeover. State trending Democratic. Formidable Democratic candidate. Weak GOP candidate. (+1D)
4)Georgia- Chambliss(R)Safe(Red State)
5)Idaho- Craig(R)- Safe(Red State)
6)Kansas- Roberts(R)- Safe(Red State)- Free Pass.
7)Kentucky- McConnell(R)- Vulnerable(Anti GOP wave). (+2D)???
  a)Unpopularity of Fletcher,Bush and GOP.
  b)Strong Challenger- Greg Stumbo.
8)Maine- Collins- Vulnerable- Incumbent Favored- (Popular Incumbent).
   a)Blue State
   b)Unpopularity of Bush and GOP
   c)Strong Challenger- Tom Allen
9)Minnesota- Coleman- Vulnerable
   a)Blue State
   b)Weak Incumbent- Freshman narrowly elected.
   c)Anti GOP wave- Bush and GOP
   d)Credible Challenger- Franken or Ciresi
    (+3D)
10)Mississippi- Cochran- Watch List
   a)Safe- Red State
   b)If Open- Competive- Incumbent Party Favored
11)Nebraska- Hagel- Safe-(Red State)  
12)New Hampshire- Sununu- Lean Takeover
   a)Blue State
   b)Weak Incumbent- Freshman narrowly elected.
   c)Anti GOP wave- Bush and GOP
   d)Credible Challengers- Shaheen,Marchand,Swett.
    (+4D)
13)New Mexico- Domenici- Vulnerable
   a)Weak Incumbent- Vulnerable but Incumbent Favored if Domenici runs again.
   b)OPEN Seat- Lean Takeover- Purpleish Blue State- Strong Democratic candidate. Weak Republican candidate. (+5D)
14)North Carolina- Dole- Vulnerable- if Strong Challenger emerges.
15)Oklahoma- Inhofe- Vulnerable(Weak Incumbent- Gaffe Prone- Macaca)
16)Oregon- Smith- Vulnerable
   a)Blue State
   b)Anti GOP Wave
   c)Strong Democratic Challenger- Merkley
  (+6D)
17)South Carolina- Graham- Safe- Red State
18)Tennessee- Alexander- Safe- Red State
19)Texas- Cornyn- Safe- Red State
20)Virginia- Warner- Watch List
   a)Safe- Red State but trending Blue.
   b)If Open- Lean Takeover- If Mark Warner is the Democratic Nominee.
  (+7D)
21)Wyoming- Enzi
22)Wyoming- Barrassoo-
 Wyoming Races are Safe- Red State.

Right now- Democratic are favored to pick up CO,NH,and MN.(+3)
Plus- NM and VA- if OPEN Seat. (+5)
KY,ME,and OR - Anti GOP wave. (+8)


by nkpolitics on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 11:35:06 AM EST

Re: 2008 US Senate Analysis. (none / 0)

I don't know about Texas being safe ...  what is Cronyn polling at?  and besides ... what if a lot of Republicans stay home in '08 .. because their Prez candidate sucks?


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 11:39:47 AM EST
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Re: 2008 US Senate Analysis. (none / 0)

The problem in Texas is money. We don't have it, not in the quantities we need. Mikal Watts has money, but he's a trial lawyer in a state that doesn't like them. Rick Noriega looks to be a better candidate, but the question with him is how much money he can raise. It will take around $25 million to beat Coryn, maybe a little less if Coryn really screws up his campaign.


by DallasDem on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 01:26:13 AM EST
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Re: OR-Sen: Merkley Close To Getting In (none / 0)

Looking at the Poll numbers
32% said they would vote to re-elect Smith
19% said they would vote to replace Smith
34% said they would consider someone else
15% Undecided.

Gordon Smith's poll numbers range from
47% to 56%

Merkely or Novicks' poll numbers range from
43% to 53%.

At worse- Smith(R)gets re-elected by a 56-43 percent margin.
At best- Smith(R) gets unseated by a 53-47 percent margin.


by nkpolitics on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:00:32 PM EST

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I agree that this is a top tier race. Either Novick or Merkely could pull it off, and I expect the race will tighten considerably next year, and be Democratic-favored by fall 2008.  The heavy hitters who failed to run will be kicking themselves.

Ranking the races:

Top tier (our best pickup shots): CO, NH, MN, ME, OR

Second Tier (promising, but uphill. We should work hard on these this year to MAKE them competitive): KY, NC, TX, OK

Indeterminate (depends on the seat opening up; promising Dems waiting in the wings; could be competitive even if incumbent runs; better be ready): VA, AK, NM, NB, ID

Third Tier (possible, but fading for lack of strong declared candidate): TN, GA

Not Currently In Play: SC, KS, AL, MS, WY a&b.


by admiralnaismith on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 01:49:12 PM EST

Re: OR-Sen (none / 0)

Democratic Seats
Safe Democratic
1)AR
2)DE
3)IL
4)IA
5)MA
6)MI
7)MT
8)NJ
9)RI
10)WV
Democratic Favored
1)SD
Leans Democratic
1)LA
Republican Seats
Safe Republican
1)AL
2)ID
3)KS
4)NE
5)SC
6)TN
7)WYa
8)WYb

Watch List
Safe- if OPEN
1)AK
Safe if Incumbent runs again
1)MS- Tossup if Cochran retires and Moore is the Democratic Nominee
2)VA- Leans Democratic if J.Warner retires and M. Warner is the Democratic Nominee

Republican Favored- if Incumbent runs again
1)NM- Leans Democratic if Open Seat.

Republican Favored/Possible DEM Win- Macaca.
1)GA
2)OK
3)TX

Republican Favored/Possible DEM Win- Strong Challenger- Anti GOP wave.
1)KY
2)NC

Leans Republican/Probable DEM Win- Strong Challenger- Anti GOP Wave
1)ME
2)OR

Tossup
1)MN

Lean Takeover
1)CO-OPEN
2)NH


by nkpolitics on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 04:40:36 PM EST
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