As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards

The LA Times' Top of The Ticket blog brings word of the latest narrative spun out of the Q2 fundraising reports: John Edwards and Bill Richardson share a new second tier in the race for the Democratic nomination.

Both NBC's First Read and ABC's The Note weigh in with similar analyses, namely that the sheer breadth of the gap between the money raised by Edwards and the top two candidates necessitates his demotion from the top tier. But this conveniently ignores two alternate metrics by which the media could have chosen to measure the health of Edwards's campaign.

First, there's the individual donor primary. While much has been made of Obama's 250,000+ individual donors, little is said of Edwards's passing the 100,000 mark.

Mr. Trippi said the campaign had topped 100,000 individual donors and more than half of the $9 million it took in came from smaller contributors, many who donated on the campaign's Web site or at one of its "Small Change for Big Change" events. The campaign's average donation was under $125, Mr. Trippi said.

This compares to Richardson's 38,000 for the same 6-month period, hardly the same league. As for Hillary, to my knowledge she hasn't released that number yet, preferring for obvious reasons, to keep the focus on dollar amounts. In Q1 she reported under 50,000 individual donors, meaning that Edwards could very well surpass her in this measure for the period from January-June. That will be something to watch for.

Edwards can also credibly claim to be in the top tier in terms of electability. Certainly it's a theme that Edwards stresses whenever he speaks, that he's competitive in more sections of the country than his opponents are, banking on electability being as key next year as it was to Kerry's success in 2004. But poll after poll suggest it's more than just a talking point; Edwards consistently outperforms Clinton and Obama against the top tier Republican candidates (latest Rasmussen head-to-head shows him beating Thompson by 9 points whereas Thompson trails Clinton by 5 and Obama by 2.) Now, whether this is a function of some voters simply seeing "the white guy who ran for president last time" as more presidential, or whether it signals real national support for Edwards vs. the Republicans, the fact is, if the media were so inclined, this would certainly serve as a convenient counter to the suggestion that Edwards and Richardson are anywhere in the vicinity of the same league. But as we know, the media has shown itself not to be so inclined.



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Not to mention he is still leading in Iowa (none / 0)

Duh!  Kerry only raised 5M his last quarter before Iowa.  That was all he needed even though the national polls had him in 4th place.


by jsamuel on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:55:21 PM EST

I don't think Iowans will pay attention (none / 0)

to this media spin.

People want to make up their own minds. Every week I talk to people who are undecided, and many tell me they are thinking about Biden, or Dodd, or Richardson, among others. They didn't listen to the media spin that it's a three-person race, and they won't listen to the media spin that it's now a two-person race.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:16:43 PM EST
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Re: I don't think Iowans will pay attention (none / 0)

But do your Iowa friends see how the media is dissing and dismissing Edwards?
 
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by annefrank on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:39:19 PM EST
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Re: I don't think Iowans will pay attention (none / 0)

I think they will.

Edwards has officially lost his lead in Iowa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus -208.html


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by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 08:22:49 PM EST
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Re: I don't think Iowans will pay attention (none / 0)

Real clear politics is anti-edwards.  Look at Polster.com
http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php
He is doing great.
by jsamuel on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 08:46:46 PM EST
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Re: I don't think Iowans will pay attention (none / 0)

Actually, even according to the RCP average, Edwards is still ahead. RCP also cherry picks polls, excluding a couple of recent polls that show Edwards with a comfortable lead.


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by clarkent on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 06:37:43 AM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

I can't really figure Edwards out. I don't dislike the guy but the campaign he's running doesn't seem to have a theme and/or message. If there is one I certainly missed it and I bet a lot of other people have as well, which makes me question what his campaign for president is all about. I would like to ask Edwards why he wants to be president? That kind of simple question they should ask in the next debate and give each of them 2 or 3 minutes to respond.
by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:01:26 PM EST

No theme or message? (none / 0)

End poverty.  That is the message.  For more, see johnedwards.com


by jsamuel on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:05:22 PM EST
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Re: No theme or message? (none / 0)

Hmm, I'm not sure how well a message like that resonates in 2008. It's a noble goal and I applaud the efforts of anybody who tries to end poverty but it's a very cloudy subject because there is no silver bullet to solving poverty. It's a constant battle to rescue people that have fallen between the cracks.. the whole thing has a somewhat negative tone to it as well, .. I'm not trying to cast judgement on his mission to end poverty or his character, these are just thoughts that immediately come to mind.. I would hope he changes gears and moves on to something more positive that voters can sink their teeths into.. *shrug*
by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:17:17 PM EST
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There Is No Silver Bullet For Anything Worth Doing (none / 0)

other than slaying vampires.

And Buffy is a whole lot better than silver bullets, anyway.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:27:28 PM EST
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Re: No theme or message? (none / 0)

>>>>>>Hmm, I'm not sure how well a message like that resonates in 2008. It's a noble goal and I applaud the efforts of anybody who tries to end poverty but it's a very cloudy subject because there is no silver bullet to solving poverty.

Edwards today will call for the minimum wage to be raised to $9.50 an hour by 2012, according to his campaign. He will speak at the National Education Association's annual meeting and at Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now's (ACORN) candidates' forum in Philadelphia.

"No one who works full-time should have to live in poverty," Edwards said in a press release. "As president, I will raise the minimum wage and put our economy back on the side of working families."

The minimum wage is now $5.15, will rise to $5.85 on July 24 and to $7.25 in two years.


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by annefrank on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:27:47 PM EST
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Re: No theme or message? (none / 0)

It's not simple, but isn't eight years long enough to have been governed by a simpleton?


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by Englishlefty on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 11:41:17 AM EST
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Re: No theme or message? (3.00 / 1)

Exactly - he wants to end poverty and he has a darned good insurance plan as well.

The thing that I don't get is that in the polls after debates, Edwards consistently beats the republicans and is ahead of both Obama and Clinton and yet...in polling they have him a distant third often.

What does it say when he is the one beating the others in polls on the issues? Also when polled against the leading republicans, Edwards is not only the one in the lead, but it shows he is the only democrat who can overtake the republicans.

Not only does he have the best platform but he is the one more apt to beat the republicans. We still have lots of time and I have faith that when democrats really study the platforms, Edwards will start leading all the polls.


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by sharinsharalike on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 08:50:19 PM EST
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Why not: "Fight the Forces of Evil"? (none / 0)

What an open ended theme to have...too general for 2008.

Personally I don't like his turn from Southern Moderate to Populist Progressive.

People supported Howard Dean in 2004 for being who he was at a time when it wasn't quite as safe to do so. Now that the nation has shifted Edwards is now acting as his true self?

I don't get it...at least there are better choices in 2008 than there were in 2004.


by mihan on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Why not: "Fight the Forces of Evil"? (none / 0)

I am closer to where Edwards is on issues in 2008 than in 2004 but I remain very concerned that his "conversion" doesn't jive with his Senate record.  The Repubs ripped Kerry to shreds as a flip-flopper with a lot less to work with (Kerry's lack of response helped) and I am worried about what they would do to Edwards.


by John Mills on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:20:53 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

i think your name suggests why the theme of poverty may confuse you as a central issue


by bruh21 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:12:16 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

Actually only Edwards is running a campaign that's about something other than itself.

economic populism at home, moral leadership abroad.


by david mizner on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:16:05 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

The tendency to not look at the other candidates seriously and to try to denigrate them as merely a cult of personality is part of the problem throughout the Edwards campaign.  


by Doug Dilg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:22:58 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

That must be why Obama supporters joined the "movement" or cult -- longgggggg before he'd released any policy statements.
OTOH - Edwards supporters carefully considered his policy statements, plans, and solutionS RELEASED when he announced for prez.
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by annefrank on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:19:25 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

I'm sorry, the Corporate Media prevented me from reading Edwards' platform.  


by Adam B on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:38:42 PM EST
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Edwards Has The Clearest Theme Of All (none / 0)

Of course, all the GOP candidates are running on the theme, "I'm the most batshit crazy of them all."

But amongst the Democrats, it's Clinton, Obama and Richardson whose themes seem the most in need of definition.

Edwards is clearly about ending poverty, and closing the class divide.

What equally simply statement sums up Clinton, Obama or Richardson's campaign?


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:16:34 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Has The Clearest Theme Of All (none / 0)

What equally simple statement sums up Clinton, Obama or Richardson's campaign?

I'm not sure, but I would like to ask that question in another thread a later time? So early yet, it's sometimes hard to pin them down on the essence of their campaign.. thats what I'm looking for.

by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:21:48 PM EST
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Well, It Certainly Shoots Down Your Claim (none / 0)

If Edwards has a theme that is readily identifiable and others don't, then it's certainly not true that "the campaign he's running doesn't seem to have a theme."

There is certainly plenty of time for lesser-known candidates to develop a theme.  But top tier ones?


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:40:02 PM EST
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Re: Well, It Certainly Shoots Down Your Claim (3.00 / 1)

Woah, calm down.   I wasn't making claim that edwards didn't have a reason for campaigning.  I was trying to say that if he did have one then I missed it.. and other voters probably have as well, that seems like a fault of campaign not being able to effectively manage what people see and read about him in the media.  

As far as obama, clinton, etc .. I don't know, I'm not trying to prop any of them up.


by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:48:06 PM EST
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Re: Well, It Certainly Shoots Down Your Claim (none / 0)

Ohhhh I see - you're judging the candidates by the corporate media - which is: Hillary is No. 1, Obama is No. 2, and Edwards gets expensive haircuts.
See - the media won't discuss health care because Hillary doesn't have a plan, Obama released a universal health care plan than isn't a universal health care plan - and Edwards is the only one with a universal health care plan. Therefore - it can't be discussed.
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by annefrank on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:24:20 PM EST
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Re: Well, It Certainly Shoots Down Your Claim (none / 0)

Yes, I am qualifying him based on what information I gather in corporate media.   Before you blame me for not seeking out the proper information on various websites let me ask something.  Can we agree that there are still a great number of people that learn everything they know about a candidate from the corporate media?

I would be curious to see the stats on primary voters; and to what their sources of information are.  If you have a weblink to the numbers I would appreciate it, assuming it's publicly available.


by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:41:45 PM EST
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Calm Down? (none / 0)

You're the one whose emotions are dragging him all over the place.

You made a statement:

the campaign he's running doesn't seem to have a theme and/or message
Several people--myself among them--jumped in quickly to set you straight.  And you've been spinning like a campaign consultant ever since.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 08:57:20 PM EST
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Re: Calm Down? (none / 0)

please include the next sentence to provide a fuller context of my statement,

"but the campaign he's running doesn't seem to have a theme and/or message. If there is one I certainly missed it"

You are acting extremely defensive about my comments, it's as if I was attacking John Edwards personally.  That is clearly not the case.  

A few others have responded in a civil way to my inquiry and I appreciate their input, one of them was even nice enough to provide a web address to John Edwards website.   I've learned a few things from the commments, unfortunately yours were not any of them.


by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:15:02 PM EST
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Oh, Please! (none / 0)

You're reading an awful lot between the lines.

And not quite enough of what's in them.

You see, I am not an Edwards supporter, and I don't have those pages bookmarked.

But you'd have to Paris Hilton to have missed what Edwards campaign is about....

Oh, Paris!  I'm sorry, girl.  I shouldn't run my mouth like that, with you just getting out of jail, and Scooter not even going in!


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:45:38 PM EST
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Re: Well, It Certainly Shoots Down Your Claim (1.00 / 1)

Apparently, Hillary supporters are more interested in the Mafia and voting for a song - because that's about all she's delivered.
Oh wait - Hillary's supporters are primarily uneducated women. Bingo!

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by annefrank on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:37:19 PM EST
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Re: Well, It Certainly Shoots Down Your Claim (3.00 / 1)

Whew, guess I'm way too laid back for this.   Everybody seems to be on edge, very defensive... the tension is running high.  I haven't staked out a position on any particular candidate yet, just seems a bit early yet.  Although, I have ruled out two candidates but I won't take personal shots at people who support them.  

Of course, I'm an american living abroad.. not being knee-deep in the meat grinder of american politics certainly shapes my perspective in a way that a native would experience.


by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:59:33 PM EST
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Oh, You're Stoned! (1.00 / 1)

Well, that explains it, then.

Poverty, man?  What's that?


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:00:18 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Has The Clearest Theme Of All (none / 0)

I truly was, and to some degree I still am, open to all the democratic candidates. That is because it scares me to death to think of another republican. Our country would be destroyed. In my heart, I am hoping all our democratic candidates would do right by us...but, Hillary scares the bejeezus out of me. I look at the money she takes from the corporations and she is muddled and even when I try (and I loved her husband) I cannot figure out what she is about, but the money trail and her associations with Murdoch tell me it is not good.

Obama is getting mileage from the young. That's good to get them interested so I'm all for that. But the problem is he does not have the experience. His insurance ideas are fairly good... he pretty much copied Edwards except he doesn't want it mandatd. IMHO if it is not mandated, it will fail because there will be too many loopholes and the care of people in this country is pathetic. This is one not to be compromised.

If you watch Bill Moyers, maybe you were as surprised as I to learn that even more than the contractors in this war, the insurance companies and big pharma are cashing in on K Street.

I would support a democrat over every republican, but I am hoping Edwards is carefully considered because I think he is the only one who can do it for us and will bang heads to make sure it gets done.


sharinsharalike
by sharinsharalike on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:00:29 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Has The Clearest Theme Of All (none / 0)

There are some that may not appreciate your deliberate calculation on the selection of candidates.  Ultimately you're making a pragmatic choice rather than one thats based on principles.  I use this approach to reaching a decision on candidates as well.  I would like to believe it gives people a better chance to examine the available candidates.

Yes, that sometimes means voting for someone like Kerry but.. that was the only choice in 2004 wasn't it.  

Appreciate your thoughts on Edwards.  The gist of my original comment was along the lines of "Is the Edwards campaign viable and/or is it going anywhere."   I'm up at 30,000 feet and trying to get a sense of it's direction, that's all...


by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:31:08 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

The way I look at it, let the media put him in whatever tier they like.  All that matters is how he performs in Iowa.  He will most likely have raised between for 40 and 50 million by year end and the cost and/or effectiveness of ads will be negligable compared to the larger more numerous states on Feb. 5th.


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by minvis on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:04:20 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

unfortunately what the media says does matter. the importance of Iowa is largely a media creation after all.


by Todd Beeton on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:06:37 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

Yet if he wins Iowa, the media will latch on that neither of the top tier candidates could win and all the attention will then be on Edwards.  At this point, I'd rather be in the second tier now and the first tier in the middle of January 2008.


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by minvis on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:12:08 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

i agree with the poster above who says that this is a good thing for edwards in the sense of media narratives. they are quite predictable. if edwards wins iowa the narrative will be that of the surging underdog. that is unless they really hate edwards, and then all bets are off.


by bruh21 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:14:22 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

The media really hates Edwards because they are scared to death of him because he is the one who will take down the big corporations who pays their salaries and who they work for. Couple that with all the money their advertisers are willing to pay and the coverage they insist on, and we have a problem because they are definitely not just going to slam or berate Edwards, they already are. Not that they like any of our democrats, but they really hate Edwards.

As for the DC Corps or reporters, I'm going to bring up Bill Moyers again -- I was shocked when I realized that all of our press who sits in on the press conferences knew who was going to be called on and what was going to be asked. They were reading scripts and every one of them knew about it and didn't tell us.

So do advertisers insist on certain coverage even if it is not truth? Well, we heard the two McClatchy reporters say that when public put pressure on the advertisers to support this war, they called the stations and insisted the news be slanted.

If the corporate media do not like Edwards or like him the least, then that is a good sign that we should like him the most.


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by sharinsharalike on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:08:46 PM EST
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Iowa is important because... (none / 0)

it is first.  Iowa takes its role seriously.  When it is left up to the media to determine the result, we lose.

In my view, it's our duty to confront the media about its own corruption.  No group has fallen further in its esteem or responsibility to the public interest.


by citizen53 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:15:46 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

The media had Edwards in 2nd tier before June 30 - since they RARELY mention him.
It's a Dem 2-way race!

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by annefrank on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:25:29 PM EST
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The Media does not want Edwards... (none / 0)

I don't believe they fear him, but it is obvious he speaks against their interests, so they dismiss him when they can.

Hopefully, the people will see this manipulation of the process and react accordingly, especially in Iowa, where they can send a message of their own.


by citizen53 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:09:35 PM EST

Good post (none / 0)

I love this, whatever it takes to make his huge victory in Iowa a "surprise."

And it's funny that now the press decides that national polls--which have Richardson tied with Biden at 2 percent--mean nothing. As I keep saying, if national polls mean something, then Richardson is third-tier. If the mean nothing, Edwards is the frontrunner.

This whole process of seeding candidates is ludicrous.


by david mizner on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:13:02 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (3.00 / 1)

I don't think the media is buying the framework that all you need to do is do well in Iowa.  The Edwards campaign staff is either spinning, or believing, an outmoded concept which doesn't match the reality of the new primary dates and the money being raised by Obama and Clinton.  I think they were complacent during the quarter in fundraising and are being shortsighted in their plans.  They then manufactured a controversy to try to catch up, but as I saw someone say on one of the talk shows, perhaps Todd, a President doesn't get into an argument with Ann Coulter.  

If Edwards is still doing well in the polls it's due to himself and his message.  Not being able to translate that into competitive fundraising is his staff's fault.  Some heads should roll.


by Doug Dilg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:16:01 PM EST

no, not complacent (none / 0)

but it's harder to fundraise when you are getting a fraction of the media attention of Clinton and Obama, and what you are getting is dominated by a haircut. (Notice there was no media scrutiny of how much Hillary spends on her stylist.)

Edwards raised more money from red states than the others. That's because people there understand he would be strong at the top of the ticket. He raised less from the states of NY, CA and IL, where big-dollar donors were listening to the media talking heads.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:19:26 PM EST
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Re: no, not complacent (none / 0)

He raised less because he raised less money.  But in Q1 his California and New York were his top two states.


by Doug Dilg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:24:50 PM EST
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I kind of have to say (3.00 / 1)

"All we have to do is do well in Iowa" was, as I remember things, the same strategy used by the Dean campaign. As I remember the Dean campaign's strategy was to focus everything on the first two primaries, and create an inevitability freight train based on those two primaries. As I remember it went quite badly. Somebody else wound up winning the first two primaries, and since the Dean campaign had no contingency plans it was basically over at that moment.

Now, funnily, the "all we have to do is do well in Iowa" strategy did, intentionally or unintentionally, wind up turning out great for the Kerry campaign. Kerry won Iowa and got exactly the freight train effect the Dean campaign was hoping to engineer. Looking at this, and noting that the same person who did strategy for the Dean campaign-- Joe Trippi-- is if I'm not mistaken now working for the Edwards campaign, I kind of have to wonder if the Edwards campaign is purposefully trying to repeat the strategy that didn't work for Dean. I'm kind of wondering if Trippi, or someone like him, walked away from 2004 concluding that Kerry's success proved Dean's strategy-- aim for Iowa and the rest will follow-- was the right one after all, and the only thing that went wrong was that Kerry wound up getting the Iowa nod instead of Edwards.

If this is what's going on, I think the Edwards campaign is potentially in for a rude surprise even if they do win Iowa. It seems to me that the trick that worked for Kerry in 2004 is not a trick that would always work for anyone, but a trick that was, at least for the degree of success Kerry swung it with, particular to the kind of candidate Kerry was and the kind of year that 2004 was. 2004 was a chaotic year, and Kerry was a "safe" candidate whereas Dean was a transformational one. Winning that Iowa primary made Kerry look stable, and gave voters, afraid of the chaos of the Democratic field, the war, the institutional change Dean represented, or all three, something solid to cling to.

---

But Edwards now, as Dean did then, is not trying to position himself as stable; he's trying to position himself as changing the face of what it means to be Democratic. His campaign is more about issues, and not the kind of issues we're used to hearing about from Democrats, than it is about John Edwards as a person. This is not the kind of sales pitch that appeals well to herd instinct. This is all the kind of thing you have to convert people to, not the kind of thing you can get people to jump on as a bandwagon just because somebody won a primary. Meanwhile, Edwards is facing a much more stable field than Dean and Kerry did. The field this time is about as large as it was in 2004, but it's less chaotic. Voters are going to be going in to the primaries having thought much more about the candidates than they did in 2004, and we will not see major candidates dropping out just before or just after that Iowa caucus. Even if Edwards pulls a Kerry and sweeps those first four January primaries, both Obama and Clinton will be doing everything they can to pick up as many states as possible on Feb 5. (If Edwards somehow fails to win Iowa, on the other hand, I'm not exactly sure where his campaign goes from there.) One way or another, I don't think Edwards is in a position to repeat Kerry's trick from 2004.

One more thing. Something I suspect we can learn from 2004 is that the "just focus on Iowa" strategy, even when it works, probably is not a good way of producing good Presidential candidates. In 2004, in particular, the Kerry model of a candidate using a single win in Iowa to sweep from the back of the pack up into an unstoppable frontrunner worked very well just so long as the primaries were going on, but once the primaries were past this didn't take very long to fall away to a kind of buyer's remorse. Kerry took the nomination because he was a safe candidate, because he was inevitable-- not necessarily because anybody really liked him. Once he had the nomination, a lot of people began to realize they didn't particularly like him. There were several reasons the Democrats failed to win in 2004, but one I think cannot be discounted is that the Republicans were excited and energized about their candidate whereas the Democrats simply weren't-- if they were energized, it was about the Republicans not winning, not about John Kerry. I don't think Edwards is going to let us down in this regard the way Kerry did, and surely if nominated he's not going to be disappointing any progressives, even pro-Obama progressives. But I think there is some potential that if Edwards somehow does pull a Kerry and sweeps out of nowhere to gain the nomination, there will be portions of the party who later in the election cycle find themselves asking, wait, who's this guy and why am I supposed to be supporting him...?


by Silent sound on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:22:32 PM EST
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Re: I kind of have to say (none / 0)

Great thought-provoking post, Parent.

I am concerned about Trippi being hired by John also but I am hoping we democratic voters everywhere are much more savvy this time.

Kerry couldn't have messed up more. According to Greg Palast, the purging and vote caging and machines may have had a lot to do with his loss, but that aside, even most of us out here had more logic ability than the Kerry campaign. I think the one that messed it up for Kerry was that woman he hired...forget her name now. Either she didn't have a clue or she wanted him to lose...and he stupidly listened to her.

I have friends who would have done better. Could Dean have done better against bush than Kerry? I think most anyone could have done better because I sometimes thought Kerry was running to lose on purpose.

I think it is absolutely necessary for John to have a War Room. A mistake Kerry made was waiting too long to respond to their lies. I think he thought Americans were smarter than they were.

I think if we democrats look at all the issues and are fair in our summations, Edwards wins hands down. I also think he is the candidate more likely to beat any republican. I just hope people aren't making up their minds before they really pay attention to the platforms...in other words, I hope they don't jump on the wrong bandwagon.


sharinsharalike
by sharinsharalike on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:21:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wanna Buy A Bridge??? (3.00 / 1)

They then manufactured a controversy to try to catch up, but as I saw someone say on one of the talk shows, perhaps Todd, a President doesn't get into an argument with Ann Coulter.
And Bill Clinton didn't pick a fight with Sister Souljah!


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:19:03 PM EST

how did they manufacture it? (none / 0)

Coulter herself said on national tv she wished Edwards had died in a terrorist attack. You think they planned that?


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:20:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: how did they manufacture it? (3.00 / 1)

He manufactured it by having a spine.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:25:09 PM EST
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Re: how did they manufacture it? (none / 0)

They should have ignored it and let the public take on ABC and MSNBC for giving her airtime.  They never should have put it on their website front page.  It was a mistake in positioning their candidate as Presidential.  There are many ways to fight a battle.  Very bad media handling.


by Doug Dilg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:27:14 PM EST
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Are you an expert in all things political? (none / 0)

Or do you always try to make it seem like you know better than everyone else?

I really liked your analysis that Edwards did not raise enough because his campaign was complacent.

Brilliant analysis!


by citizen53 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:33:44 PM EST
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Re: Are you an expert in all things political? (none / 0)

It's called an opinion, and I was trying to be measured and kind. Do you really think 9 million was their goal?  If so, then it is complacency in my way of thinking to aim for a 65% figure of your Q1 totals instead of looking to have a 125% figure. The vitriol which comes from some Edwards supporters for people with a different opinion of theirs is quite startling.  I'm not even speaking directly of Edwards or his message.  I'm talking about how his campaign is running.  


by Doug Dilg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:11:17 PM EST
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Re: Are you an expert in all things political? (none / 0)

To Doug (again)

Just so you know, I am supporting Edwards and I did not take what you said personally.
If we are going to support Edwards, we need to listen to the criticism of his campaign. You had some valid points and as I read, I was hoping the Edwards campaign was also reading. I don't know who you are supporting or if you have even decided yet, but to criticize the way a campaign is being run is not the same as criticizing the candidate.

I don't know about the rest of you out there but I supported Kerry and sometimes I wanted to smack him upside the head for the way he ran his campaign.


sharinsharalike
by sharinsharalike on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:28:42 PM EST
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Re: how did they manufacture it? (3.00 / 1)

"let the public take on ABC and MSNBC for giving her airtime"

Yeah, that was going to happen.


by dbeard115 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:47:57 PM EST
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Re: how did they manufacture it? (none / 0)

How did Imus get canned?  They could have much more effectively tapped into that movement and let others do the talking for them.


by Doug Dilg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:13:25 PM EST
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You Misunderstand 'The Exception Proves The Rule' (none / 0)

You don't understand that Imus getting canned was an exceptional event, and that exceptional events really are exceptional for good reasons.

The saying "the exception proves the rule" depends the use of the word "proves" to mean "shows" or "demonstrats." ("He proved himself equal to the task.")  It means, quite simply, that exceptions show the limits of the normal state of things.

Imus was just one such figure out of many, and most have not even come close to paying any price for what they do.  It took a "perfect storm" situation to get him fired, and of course, it required having just one boss to do so--a corporate boss who could be pressured in the midst of a changing cultural climate.

Coulter, OTOH, has no such dependency, and is completely different sort of creature.  She's even been voluntarily fired by folks, with no appreciable impact.  She is a creature of movement conservatism, and taking on her is taking on movement conservatism.  Rather than repudiate her, they cling to her all the more tightly.

Thus, this was not about Edwards taking on a single deranged individual.  It was about him standing up to the rabid attack-dog right--the very same folks who topedoed John Kerry's campaign because he was unwilling to confront them.

And you?  Although I'm sure you don't intend it, you're acting like a concern troll, playing the part of Bob ("0-8") Shrum.


by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:25:42 PM EST
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Re: You Misunderstand (none / 0)

Your comment of the concern troll is out of line.


by Doug Dilg on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 02:44:45 AM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (3.00 / 1)

Ha!  I find it ironic that this post is just above one titled "McCain is Done", which does him in after raising roughly the same money as Edwards.  Yeah, "the media" is demoting Edwards.  This is not a very honest argument.


by stuckinsf on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:35:46 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

I think the McCain is done headline had more to do with the $2million cash-on-hand and the firing of 50 employees more than the $11 million 2Q take.

I'm sure Edwards has much more than $2million in hand.


by KickinIt on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:46:54 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

It's all about the spin-machine in Iowa. Main Stream Media please ignore Edwards so he can burn Hillary in the Iowa Caucus.

The more a Edwards Iowa win becomes a surprise...the less the Hillary camp can spin the victory as being expected the entire time.


by Djneedle83 on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:38:58 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

For someone whose campaign has anchored on subjects like poverty and New Orleans/Katrina- his performance last week where those issues were front and center was forgettable and lackluster- he barely rated a mention in the media round-up of it.  Now that the polls are showing Hillary is now ahead in Iowa, he won't even have that anymore to trumpet himself.  His tenuous stay with the frontrunners is over.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 06:41:50 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

ReasonWarrior

You have made the point the original post was trying to make, that the media is demoting Edwards -- and then you use the media to demote him. LOL

Take a look at this on dailykos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/2/1 51014/9227  I am going to borrow the first line by this poster by the name of ArkDem14:

"Edwards Crushes Fred Thompson!
by ArkDem14
Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 12:10:14 PM PDT
In a recent national poll I've gotten from Rasmussen Reports, a polling organization that normally leans about three points more to the GOP than the norm, Edwards beats Fred Thompson 51-38, Edwards beats Thompson with a majority voteshare even at this early point. Hillary beats Thompson by three points, 47-44, and Obama beats him 43-41."

This poster goes on to list the various polls and even with a republican bias pollster (Rasmussen) Edwards soundly beats them all.

And yet you are using the media to make up your mind that Hillary is beating Edwards. This is exactly what the originator of this topic is worried about. I am hoping we democrats are much smarter than this and that we won't let the media make up our minds. Go read the rest of that blog on dailykos. Then tell us what you think.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/2/1 51014/9227


sharinsharalike
by sharinsharalike on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:41:07 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

I did read it.  I do know Edwards has done the best in the head-to-heads from the start but I have read many articles that mention that when they are talk about him so the media doesn't completely ignore it.  Why it does not translate into more excitement for him- I don't know- maybe he's got too much baggage? (not winning his home state in the last election, then the PR problems which I won't name that everyone knows)  Could be his demeanor on stage- he's sort of bland while Hillary and Obama have more fire to them.  I'm just guessing, I don't know.  The poverty issue that he has made his campaign about isn't really somethning America seems too interested in.  At any rate, he needs to shake things up- time is running out.


by reasonwarrior on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 04:33:13 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (3.00 / 1)

I think this may be more about upping Richardson than downing Edwards.  Although Richarson doesn't have Edwards' poll numbers in Iowa or anywhere else for that matter.  The only thing Richardson has anywhere near Edwards is his Q2 money and ONLY that.


by jsamuel on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:10:41 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (3.00 / 1)

Edwards is a serious candidate with a strong platform and will be a significant factor in the primary election campaign at least until the first round of caucuses and primaries and possibly well beyond.  His contribution to the campaign has been substantial and his progressive positions have had a positive impact on the electorate and the messaging of the other candidates.

If his apparent distant third status has any impact, beyond stimulating somewhat superficial analysis in the media, I hope it is to give him the freedom to be more daring and provocative in his positions than other candidates, such as with his comments on the GWOT.  We need leaders willing to take a stand on, and challenge, some of the damaging 'conventional wisdom' which has been tacitly accepted by the media and the electorate in recent years.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 07:23:54 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

This whining about Edwards not getting attention in the media is absurd. Only what, 10-15% of DEMOCRATS care about Edwards as a candidate now, even though he was very high-profile in 2004 and has very high name recognition.

I think its pretty clear: the media isn't paying attention to him because PEOPLE aren't paying attention to him. Not the other way around.


by mihan on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:03:10 PM EST

Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (none / 0)

The media is into the horse race and since polls mean very little at this point they focus on something tangible like fundraising.  Neither are a particular good predictor at this stage but you can't have your fundraising amounts drop from Q1 to Q2 and not expect it to impact your coverage.  


by John Mills on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:26:21 PM EST
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Re: As Predicted, Media Demotes Edwards (3.00 / 1)

Having just returned from Wisconsin's Democratic Party Convention, the grass roots activists there are excited about Edwards. Without a concerted effort on behalf of his campaign to draw supporters to the convention, he won the straw poll with almost as many votes as Hill and Barack combined.
http://blogs.wispolitics.com/DEMconvos/2 007/06/wispoliticscom-edwards-lautenschl ager.html

Watching the reaction as Clinton's supporters passed out her signs before Barb Lawton endorsed her as part of her speech really told the story:
snickers and shrugs.

While there were Edwards signs throughout the crowd the entire night, Hillary's only appeared before the speech and were dutifully collected as soon as it was done.

At least none of the Dems have had to resort to what Tommy Thompson has been doing. I received a robocall from Tommy last week asking for $35 to help send someone from Iowa to vote for him in their straw poll. Now, not only have I never voted for Tommy, I'm a registered Democrat and ran (and am running) for Assembly as one. How can he afford to be wasting his money calling me asking to help him generate false support in Iowa?


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:38:57 PM EST


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