Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton

Several bloggers have rolled out the interesting news that Ambassador Joseph Wilson has endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. Greg Sargent at TPM Election Central was there:

Wilson just said that "she is the one candidate in my judgment who understands the need to get America out of harm's way," and into a "political process." He added that she best understands the need to "end the war but end it in a way that preserves some shred of our strategic position in the region."

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Wilson also says that one thing that bonds the two is their mutual experience with the "meat grinder" -- a.k.a., the right wing slime machine.

As Sargent notes, this is clearly part of Clinton's strategy to gain support among the liberal base, the blogosphere in particular, which she has conspicuously held at arm's length. Coming as it does via conference call with liberal bloggers 2 weeks prior to the start of YearlyKos, the Clinton campaign apparently believes Wilson's endorsement will give her a sort of she's-one-of-us cred among bloggers, if only to lessen the boos she gets at the YearlyKos presidential forum. And it just may work.



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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 2)

Will anyone ask her at YearlyKos how we can trust her if she hires people like Mark Penn?  How can we trust her when she joins groups like the DLC?  Will she come out and say she's proud being a Democrat?  Why do people like Peter Chernin(some big honcho at Faux) hold fund raisers for her?  Is she trying to do the Michael "keep your friends close .. and your enemies closer" Corleone kind of thing?  One last thing. How will her Presidency futher the agenda of the Democratic Party?  Because the agenda of the Party and the DLC are two different things.


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:01:04 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 1)


   Never, ever in her career has Hillary Clinton acted out of anything other than political calculation. She believes in nothing but her own personal advancement.

  It's sad to see so many Democrats fall into the personality-cult trap.


by Master Jack on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:12:49 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

"Never, ever in her career has Hillary Clinton acted out of anything other than political calculation. She believes in nothing but her own personal advancement."

You know this how?


by world dictator on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 08:35:32 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)


  Observation.

 The Iraq war vote being only the most egregious example.


by Master Jack on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 09:00:08 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

 Observation.

 The Iraq war vote being only the most egregious example.


by Master Jack on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 09:00:16 PM EST
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The Clinton Juggernaut continues... (none / 0)

unabated.

Edwards's suggestion to change the debate format is needed more than ever.

That is the ONLY way to flush Clinton out on the issues, to make her have to defend herself in more than soundbites.


by citizen53 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:04:18 PM EST

Re: The Clinton Juggernaut continues... (none / 0)

She is obviously all FOR changing the debate format rather than coasting along in quickie debate format that allows only for 60 to 90 second soundbites.  She WANTS more substantive debates to lay out her plans in more detail.  For the opposite to be implied here is ridiculous.  


by georgep on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:28:05 PM EST
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I did not imply... (none / 0)

a thing.  That is your own subconscious fantasy arising.  


by citizen53 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 09:53:28 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

This should not surprise anyone.  Wilson is a Republican after all.  He's probably moved a little left from earlier but I'm sure he's very comfortable with the Clinton's taking power again.  The sensible squishy middle.


by wcnews on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:06:45 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I think this has more to do with personal relationship that any ideological match(which may be the case too, but we can't say for sure). I am guessing based on the fact that the strongest statements seem to be his gratitude for the way the Clintons reached out to him personally during the whole Niger uranium thing. Not to mention he seems to share a kinship with them over being trashed by the right wing nuts.


by Pravin on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:17:40 PM EST
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Interesting news? (none / 0)

This oughta get her two or three votes.


by david mizner on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:09:18 PM EST

Re: Interesting news? (none / 0)

Very funny...

three votes huh...Joe wilson, Wilson's wife and who?


by kekuta on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:11:39 PM EST
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Armitage's? (none / 0)


by jforshaw on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:28:35 PM EST
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A feather in her cap (3.00 / 2)

A lot of people have come to respect Joe Wilson.  Both for his anti-war stance and his courage and fight.  Having his support can't hurt.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:12:10 PM EST

Re: A feather in her cap (none / 0)

That's why his endorsement of Clinton tarnish Wilson's credentials.


Can you say with a straight face that Hillary has been a strong leader in the Senate?
by AnthonyMason2k6 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:46:00 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

LOL,

Yeah Okay. I guess she thinks we're stupid now? Like we're that sheepish. You'd have to be a fool , if endorsements like this are going to sway you from one candidate to another. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that the Blogging community is that dumb.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:12:21 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Yeah, and if he would have endorsed Obama you would be very excited because you know how much credibility this man has.


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:24:36 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 3)

No.

Seriously, I have always had the same opinion about endorsements. I think they are all stupid and meaningless. All of them. Endorsements don't do anything to sway my opinion. I guess that's because I have an independent mind. What I find hilarious, though, are the big shock and surprise people start faking when Hillary gets endorsements from people who worked for or are connected to Bill Clinton as if that's unexpected. These are not real endorsements. Theses are Hilary's friends from over the years. I'm just not that fickle and I don't get the insane obsession with endorsements. I mean look at her last one. The Mayor of L.A. turns out to be a pervert who cheats on his wife. Um, can anyone see the irony in that? If I were obsessed with endorsements, I'd make a huge deal about Oprah, but I don't because I don't care.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:49:06 PM EST
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One of the best comments on MyDD ever!!... (3.00 / 1)

my thoughts exactly...couldn't have said it any better!!


by dantata on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:26:25 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Speaking as someone who actually lives in L.A., I'd take exception with your comment about the mayor. He's very well respected in this city because of his proactive leadership and the improvements he's made. His endorsement means a great deal. Your opinion aside, he will help to deliver L.A. votes to Hillary Clinton. Believe it.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:37:28 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Well, speaking as someone who is originally from California and who has over 1000 relatives that live in Los Angeles County alone. (The Bell Family), I know what the hell I am talking about. He's an unfaithful adulterer and he is a pervert. My opinion aside, I will say that my very religious family who votes Democratic , will not be swayed by the endorsement of a woman chaser who cheats on his wife. You better believe that. Also, the so called proactive leadership you claim he has demonstrated, is a joke. The only thing he has been proactive in, is getting into someone other than his wife's panties.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:56:28 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

It doesn't matter where your family is from: your personal opinion of the man has nothing to do with the fact that Villaraigosa enjoys vast popular support not for his personal life but for his accomplishments on behalf of the city. You can bash him all you want but the fact remains that his endorsement is valuable.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 02:09:29 AM EST
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I thought the pervert comment was out of line. Yes, he is having an affair but so what? Doesn't necessarily make one a pervie.

Typical neocon talking point, rival candidate gets good news, find a way to belittle or demean it at all costs. Nothing is off limits. Yea, thats the new politics.


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:06:22 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Affair=pervert?   Something seriously wrong with a person who believes that.   I don't condone affairs, and I am faithful to my wife, but this shows an astounding lack of common sense and knowledge if the term "pervert" is used synonimously with someone having an extramarital affair.    It makes anything the person making such a ridiculous connection states suspect.


by georgep on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:34:00 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Well, he would probably like a job in the next administration, and placed his bet on the frontrunner.

I hope her YK appearance isn't too contentious; it seems like a Sister Souljah opportunity for her, and we don't need that.


by latts on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:13:26 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

or she's using YearlyKos to tack left (as genuinely as one can make a purely political maneuver like this) now that she's shored up her moderate/hawk cred. A friend of mine who is from the south and tends to be more moderate said to me yesterday that he likes Hillary the best of the Dem candidates and this is coming from someone who absolutely despised her in 2000.


by Todd Beeton on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:19:04 PM EST
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Could be... (none / 0)

but even in that case, it's still IMO more of an attempt to neutralize the left-- whether by co-opting or SSing-- than any sort of indication that she'd be inclined to govern as a lefty.  Or as anything other than a classic Clinton triangulator, looking out for her own immediate political interests instead of a progressive vision for the country or the integrity of her party.


by latts on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:25:27 PM EST
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Re: Could be... (none / 0)

Clinton going to YK is awesome.  She has always been a progressive (her voting record is quite progressive, same as Obama and much more so than Edwards) and her co-sponsored legislation is well to the left of Obama.)   She is going where she meets the most resistance (which is starting to melt away) which is absolutely the opposite of what a play-it-safe, coasting candidate would do.  


by georgep on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:39:05 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 1)

This is a great vote of confidence for Hillary Clinton.  Wilson is highly respected and he is also brilliant.

This is a good day for Hillary - not just the polls that show her well ahead in Florida but also nationally and now the endorsement of Ambassador Wilson.

Congratulations Hillary!


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:18:01 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

im sure if wilson endorsed obama or edwards thier supporters would not be as dismissive of it.  calling wilson a republican is misleading since he has been attacked by republicans for 4 years.


by terrondt on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:57:40 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

WRONG!

You need to learn how to read before you comment.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/7/16/1 44936/599/13#13


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:01:03 PM EST
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Wilson highly respected? (none / 0)

No.

Wilson had a twitchy trigger finger and blamed Rove for "smearing" Plame. While Rove was probably more than up to that type of skulduggery, he didn't do it. Neither did Novak. Armitage did it.

Wilson was so invested in his own rage that he stuck to his story after it completely fell apart.


by jforshaw on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:31:34 PM EST
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Re: Wilson highly respected? (none / 0)

Wow, you really are a dittohead. Next you'll be saying Plame wasn't covert. Why don't you go read http://www.firedoglake.com/ or emptywheel and learn something. You could start with this post.


by souvarine on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:48:03 PM EST
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Re: Wilson highly respected? (none / 0)

1. Wilson blamed Rove, Cheney, or a loyal surrogate for outing Plame, with Novak as the conduit.

2. Trial, drama and associated pageantry ensue for, what, four years?

3. Armitage admits that he was the one who leaked to Novak.

I may be well right of center on many economic issues here, but that's a long way from "dittohead."

I did read some of FDL's things about it. It was not convincing. The first FDL (and only) FDL post I read was the one that said Plame was "ethereal, like a butterfly," or something worshipful like that. And I thought, Ok, granted none of us is objective, but come on.

I don't expect the Wilsons to kowtow to the White House and wail about how mistaken they were. But the alleged "weight" of this endorsement is incongruent with the facts of the case--not to mention the Wilsons' own fulminations, only to turn around and endorse the candidate who couldn't muster anything better than "no comment" with regards to Libby.

And it's explained by the Libby-Rich-Clintons connection.

But for all their rage, the Wilsons seemed to sell that endorsement pretty easily.


by jforshaw on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:13:06 PM EST
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Re: Wilson highly respected? (none / 0)

As you would know, had you read emptywheel's summaries of the trial affidavits instead of believing whatever Rush spews:

1. Cheney, Rove and Libby leaked and directed a campaign of leaks of Valerie Plame's name and occupation to Novak and others, with knowledge that she was a covert agent.

2. Armitage, as part of the campaign, was another of Novak's sources but did not leak her name and did not know she was covert. Armitage did not lie to the FBI.

3. Libby was convicted for obstructing justice by lying to shield Rove and Cheney from prosecution.

So, in all important respects Wilson's charges were correct. Interesting that you would buy the White House tale even after Bush demonstrated his own guilt by commuting Libby's sentence, but that is typical for someone who propagates the phony Clinton scandals on a Democratic blog.


by souvarine on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:49:54 PM EST
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um...? (none / 0)

Armitage was thought of as a good friend of the Wilsons? WTF would he "blow Plame's cover."


by jforshaw on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:54:52 PM EST
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Re: Wilson highly respected? (none / 0)

I find it so hard to believe that you could possibly be so far removed from reality as to write half of the shit that spews from your fingertips.

If you do not recognize that Wilson is a hero for standing up to and exposing the lies of Bush then you are really not qualified to offer any meaningful commentary.


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:28:46 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

how is this a vote of confidence for Hillary? What has she done that merits any condifence in her abilities to be POTUS? If her last name wasnt clinton, Hillary would be just another white female with a Law degree from Yale.  


Can you say with a straight face that Hillary has been a strong leader in the Senate?
by AnthonyMason2k6 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:10:07 PM EST
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AnthonyMason2k6 (none / 0)

"What has she done that merits any condifence in her abilities to be POTUS?" (AnthonyMason2k6)
___

I would suggest you do a little research.  You are waaaaay out of touch with reality and you are grossly "uninformed".   And you call yourself progressive?


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:55:24 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I'm sure Wilson has his reasons for supporting Clinton, but they are not mine.


by SandThroughTheEyeGlass on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:20:19 PM EST

Like fine wine (3.00 / 1)

As I said on the diary that scooped this one, even your sour grapes can't make this endorsement less sweet.


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:29:51 PM EST

This wine is corked (none / 0)


by horizonr on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:44:47 PM EST
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Re: This wine is corked (none / 0)

The whine isn't.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:13:28 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Who is his wife endorsing?


by Doug This Week on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:54:43 PM EST

Wilson endorsed Kerry in 2004 (3.00 / 0)

That worked out well, didn't it?!

In 2004, Howard Dean, not John Kerry, was the one really holding the Administration's feet to the fire over Iraq. Kerry pretended to agree with Dean to win the nomination then reverted to form as soon as he did.

History is replaying itself here. Hillary is pretending not to be the biggest Democratic hawk who STILL has not admitted her war authorization vote was a mistake. Wilson's comment, "she is the one candidate in my judgment who understands the need to get America out of harm's way" is a bald faced lie or proof that his judgment is not sound: Edwards has renounced his vote, Obama opposed this war from the start, Richardson wants to pull ALL our troops out of Iraq.

All Wilson has done here is destroyed his own credibility. I wonder what he thinks he's getting in return. If it's access to the person he thinks will be the next President, he'll have to wait in line behind Rupert Murdoch and other "Hill-Raisers" (minimum required fundraising $1,000,000) who are bankrolling her campaign.


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 03:58:48 PM EST

Re: Wilson endorsed Kerry in 2004 (none / 0)

That was four years ago. Six months can be an eternity in politics.


by spirowasright on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:07:37 PM EST
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Re: Wilson endorsed Kerry in 2004 (none / 0)

I was just telling someone something very similar.  Hillary's the Kerry candidate on 08.


Can you say with a straight face that Hillary has been a strong leader in the Senate?
by AnthonyMason2k6 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:11:10 PM EST
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insult to Kerry (3.00 / 2)

Kerry is a true progressive, much more so than Hillary. He has the best lifetime environmental voting record of anyone who's run for president, and he is on record supporting other progressive causes, such as public financing of elections.

Hillary is not in his league when it comes to my issues. But if you want a leader against violent video games, she's your candidate.


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by desmoinesdem on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:15:22 PM EST
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Re: insult to Kerry (none / 0)

 You have no idea of her life's work, none whatsoever.  That has got to be part of the reason you seem to be so bent against her.  A bit of research into the issues she worked for may be a good thing for you.  


by georgep on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:44:03 PM EST
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right, corporate lobbyists are lining up (none / 0)

to give her money because she's such a strong progressive who will shake up our health care system, strengthen environmental regulations, do more to help labor unions, etc. That must be why Rupert Murdoch, Alan Greenspan and others have given her money.

I am old enough to remember the 1990s well. I remember what the Clintons' priorities were. They spent their political capital on the wrong things, in my opinion, and chose poorly in terms of when to go to the mat fighting and when to give up on progressive change.

Although Clinton's Supreme Court appointees are obviously better than those appointed by W, they are not particularly liberal. Breyer in particular is very corporate-friendly and centrist. I think most of the other Democrats running for president would pick stronger Supreme Court justices than Hillary would.

Bill Clinton did little for the environment during his two terms, then signed a bunch of directives after the November 2000 election that were easily overturned. Where was he on raising CAFE standards during the decade in which SUVs and minivans became widespread?

Hillary seems to have learned that her big mistake on health care was trying to do too much. That's the wrong lesson, and it tells me that she will not aim high when it comes to changing the system.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 01:10:45 AM EST
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Blogged Biases (3.00 / 2)

I take issue with the assertion that Hillary has rolled this out:

"to gain support among the liberal base, the blogosphere in particular, which she has conspicuously held at arm's length."

The blogosphere itself has held Hillary at arm's length. Look at the amount of senseless neocon style attacks she gets here. When she brought out her plan to end the war there wasn't even a discussion of the PLAN, only neocon talking point attacks of how she did this or was that. It is old politics and a neocon specialty that if you can't defeat a person's ideas you attack their character which is exactly what many in the blogosphere do concerning Hillary.

So even if I were to agree with your assertion that Hillary has held the blogosphere at arm's length I would certainly understand why she did.


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:06:27 PM EST

Re: Blogged Biases (none / 0)

This may actually end up hurting ....Wilson.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:17:57 PM EST
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BlueDiamond (3.00 / 1)

And what other fantasies are you harboring today?


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:33:47 PM EST
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Re: BlueDiamond (none / 0)

It actually very well might. What happens if Edwards wins? Is Joe Wilson gonna be more or less likely to get a high ranking job in an Edwards administration?


by Pope Jeremy on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:17:17 PM EST
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Re: BlueDiamond (none / 0)

Dewey Beats Truman


by Pope Jeremy on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 08:29:30 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 2)

Joe Wilson's endorsement will raise an interesting question for the former ambassador.  Mary Matlin and James Carville wrote letters to the judge sentencing Scooter Libby asking him to be lenient because they know Libby is devoted to his family.  Given that it is no secret that Carville is in Senator Clinton's camp, did he have any words with her about her supporter's request for leniency?


by True Independent on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:07:28 PM EST

yeah, wtf (none / 0)

Libby was Marc Rich's lawyer. Clinton is up to her eyeballs in Libby.

Wilson probably shopped around for political rehabilitation. Clinton, who needs Wilson's "victim of VRWC smear" cred as badly as Wilson needs his own incorrect accusation to be forgotten, offered the best price. That's the only rational explanation for this, considering how allergic Clinton has been to anything about Libby, defending Wilson in public, etc.


by jforshaw on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:36:26 PM EST
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rssrai (none / 0)

Do some research rssrai.  Because you haven't got a fucking clue.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:39:45 PM EST

Re: rssrai (none / 0)

Now, now.  Clinton-supporters should set a good example on here by not using f-ing or other words that delve into the "personal" too much on an anonymous blog.  

Other on that word I agree with the rest of your post.   :-)


by georgep on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:46:43 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 0)

How can we trust her when she joins groups like the DLC?  Please, Edwards was a DLC'er as well. I guess his pandering gives him a pass.


by ND1979 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 04:58:19 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 2)

Edwards was never a DLC'r.  Get your facts straight.

Obama was on their list.  He wasn't taken off the list until people made a fuss about it and he decided it was better to be removed.  


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by pioneer111 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:03:47 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 0)

Edwards sounds like a pretty happy DLCer in this speech. He's changed a lot, but he was pretty DLC not too long ago.


by souvarine on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:24:29 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Actually, he was.  He spoke at the 2002 National Conversation along with Hillary, Kerry, Daschle, and Gephardt I might add. In fact, there are 139 articles on the DLC page referencing John Edwards, the vast majority of them positively.

During the 2004 presidenial race, he received advice from people at the DLC.  I know, I worked there from 2002-03.

Get YOUR facts straight.


by DaveB on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 05:34:48 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

When the candidates have their "Gay Debate" in a few weeks before that organization for LGBT persons, will all of those candidates automatically become "gay"???

Okay, just because you speak before a group does not mean you are a member of that group.

When Edwards first got to the Senate, he was likely (based on his personality) trying to fit in and find his way.  As he puts it, he was trying to "get his feet wet," and I think that means that he was trying to be "friends" with the existing politicos in DC, which meant cozying up to the DLC, because they are in charge and he probably just saw "DEMOCRAT", instead of what the agenda of the DLC really was.

John Edwards was never an "authentic New Democrat."  He was much like Obama is now.  They were trying to GROOM HIM INTO ONE, but it never materialized.

Just because you speak in front of a group doesn't mean that you are a member of that group.  


by OE on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 08:15:46 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

why is the DLC bad? Can I see facts please?


by world dictator on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 08:40:31 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 1)

I didn't say that "DLC" was bad, it just may as well stand for for "Democrats Love Corporatism."  In other words, DLC = Republican-lite.

In the words of Mussolini, "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

It's not a matter of "good" or "bad."  That's an overly simplistic view of a complicated reality.  It's about incrementalism versus bold change.

The DLCers are status quo-ers.  They won't change much in DC, whether it's education, health care, or the war industry.  Not much will change with Republican-lite DLCers like Hillary Clinton.  

John Edwards scares the daylights after of the power elite in DC, because they know that he is serious in his rhetoric about bold, transformational, change.

It's not about good or bad.  


by OE on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 09:31:13 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

calling the DLC "Democrats Love Coporatism" and republican lite is basically an attempt to call the DLC bad.


by world dictator on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 05:35:49 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Which it is.  It's status quo, and the status quo in Washington AIN'T WORKING.

Thank the DLC for NAFTA, WTO, GATT, and the Telecommunications Act, which have all contributed to the destruction of the middle class and the American intellect.


by OE on Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 07:57:22 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 1)

"I can't understand this when Hillary's advisors wanted to be lenient on Libby."

I mean this seriously: get a clue. Where do you come up with this shit? Do you have a single fact to back up your claim? Come on now... surely you have a single fact.


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:09:15 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (3.00 / 1)

And Tom Daschle is a key Obama adviser. So your point is what?


by DoIT on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:11:18 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)


You have to understand that Joe Wilson has been friends with the Clintons for 10 years. Bill Clinton had been the one who appointed him ambassador in the 90s. The endorsement isn't much of a surprise therefore or even much of a political statement.

All the Democratic candidate want to get our troops out of Iraq now (5 years too late).  But the thing to listen carefully for today is which candidates want to close down the multi-million dollar U.S. Military Bases (14 of them?), and is really serious about a non-colonial foreign policy and telling our corrupt multi-national Corporations to let Iraq have their own Oil back?

-Dennis Kucinich
-Mike Gravel

That's it.

Hillary Clinton will keep the underlying status-quo going on which means that we'll never really "get out of" Iraq.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 06:47:42 PM EST

Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

"Hillary Clinton will keep the underlying status-quo going on which means that we'll never really "get out of" Iraq."

According to your litmus-test, so will Edwards and Obama.   If Dennis and Kucinich are the only candidates with a true anti-war "get everybody out of Iraq" flavor, then it follows that looking at their lack of popularity that is obviously not the way the vast majority of Democrats want to go about Iraq.  


by georgep on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 07:50:47 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)


It is not a "litmus test".
The U.S. Military Bases are real and are one of the prime motivations for Al Qeada hatred towards the United States.  Recall, that Osama Bin Laden flipped-out because under Bush Sr., we built U.S. Military Bases on Muslim holy land in Saudi Arabia. Osama Bin Laden had orginally been on the CIA payroll and "our friend" until we constructed Military Bases on their holy land.

The U.S. Multi-National corporations are also real and they have rewritten parliment laws under this new installed puppet government to own, regulate, and control the Oil (natural resources) of this once-sovereign Nation. Our corporations are profiteering by means of bloodshed off of resources that belong to the natives of Iraq. This is piracy (and also mass-murder to acheive the piracy).

Only Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and Ron Paul have talked about getting rid of the bases, letting the Iraqis have the Oil, and truthfully getting out of Iraq.

All the other Democrats talk only about redeploying the troops and withdrawal of a majority of the units.

Obama might be open to closing the Military Bases and giving the Oil back, since he opposed the idea and concept of the Invasion from the very beginning.  But I have not heard him make any clear statement or address this issue.

We know Hillary Clinton won't stop the tyranny though. She voted for the Military Tribunals Act as well as the Invasion.



For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 11:11:42 PM EST
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Huh? (none / 0)


How do you jump from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel (the two candidates that I listed), over to Ralph Nader?

For a "surge" in Truth:  Say NO to NeoCons!!!
by DerekLarsson on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 10:59:56 PM EST
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Re: Joseph Wilson Endorses Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Where is my post from this morning about Joe Wilson's endorsement?

I repeat:

Is anyone really surprised with this endorsement?  I mean, people need to understand that Joe Wilson's fame with Democrats comes from the fact that Wilson STOOD UP TO BUSH AND CHENEY, not because of Joe Wilson's positions on the issues.

There is a reason that Wilson voted for:

George Herbert Walker Bush (1988 & 1992)
Bob Dole (1996)
George W. Bush (2000)

He voted for Kerry in 2004 after Bush went after his wife and his credibility.

Joe Wilson has worked in the government for years, definitely back to before Clinton was President.

Since Wilson has a history of 1) voting for Republicans and 2) being a part of the DC culture through the Clinton years, I don't know why any THINKING PERSON would be shocked by Wilson endorsing Clinton.

She's a fixture of the DC culture, and Wilson has been through a Clinton administration.  The mess about her plan being the best plan, is just bologna...no, it's potted meat.

He's comfortable with the Clintons because of his history in DC and her "close-to-GOP" DLC philosophy.

No surprise here.  Not a knock on Wilson, just an thoughtful analysis.  Everyone should have expected this.  


by OE on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 08:19:18 PM EST

What about Global Poverty? (none / 0)

While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. I would like see Senator Clinton support more international problems that affect our place in this world, such as global poverty. We should not forget the commitment made towards the U.N. Millennium Goals (a pact of ending extreme world hunger by the year 2025) in 2000. While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. According to The Borgen Project, an annual $19 billion dollars is needed to eliminate half of the extreme poverty affecting the world by the year 2015. To my sense, it is almost unacceptable to have spent so far more than $340 billion in Iraq only, when we have more than war immunities to change the world and eliminate poverty.


by aileench on Mon Jul 16, 2007 at 10:07:09 PM EST

Say it ain't so Joe (none / 0)

Joe Wilson's pre-mature endorsement of Hillary doesn't enhance her street cred --- it lowers Wilson's ... Hillary & Bill Clinton betrayed the core values of the Democratic party when they crossed over to the Republican side and ramrodded home NAFTA and PNTR with China .... Come to think of it, welfare reform wasn't too compassionate either ...The Clintons are Republican LITE - - - financed by Wall Street for Wall Street - - - everybody else gets the shaft - - - workers here and abroad - - - Hillary is incapable of reforming a corportate-controlled oligarchy that she is a by-product of .... Do not be fooled ...  You will not get health care reform from Hillary ... she said as much at the Reno forum in February, promising reform the end of her second term.  Here is a book for all Independent and Democrats to check out for the scoop on the Clintons.  Author is John Macarthur.  Title is: The Selling of Free Trade: Washington, NAFTA and the Subversion of American Democracy ... The Clintons are a couple of corporate-financed con artists


by Progressive Populist on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 09:48:31 AM EST


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