Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By Preventing Archiving Of JohnEdwards.com

[Republished from 2008Central.net]

If you're not already familiar with it, the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine is a great Internet resource.  Every few weeks, it backs up virtually every website on the Internet and offers everyone easy and free access to its archive.   In the political arena, this is especially useful for voters as it enables them to see what a candidate was saying about a particular issue a few years ago in his/her own words, on his/her website (as opposed to being filtered through news stories).  However, this resource could prove to be a political liability by giving voters as well as news outlets and bloggers access to a candidate's website from a few years ago - creating yet another ghost from the past.

The good news for candidates, or anyone that doesn't want their site archived, is that the automatic archiving of one's website can be blocked by editing a file known as the "robots.txt" file; the bad news is that certain valuable information may never be collected if some or all utilize this feature.

Transparency in elected officials is not merely a virtue worth admiring, it's a practical necessity for the proper functioning and stability of a democracy.  Accordingly, I put the current field of presidential contenders to the test by checking to see if they currently allow their campaign websites to be archived.  Fortunately, I was not able to locate any current major or minor candidates that block the archiving of their campaign website, with one exception: John Edwards.

A search through the Wayback Machine for John Edwards' website, produces the following message:

Robots.txt Query Exclusion.
We're sorry, access to http://www.johnedwards.com has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.

Further investigation led to the discovery of the robots.txt file and the line that was inserted to prevent archiving of JohnEdwards.com:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /archive

We find it odd and somewhat troubling that Edwards' campaign would block such a useful resource.  We're unable to think of any legitimate reasons why someone running for public office, let alone president, would refuse to allow their campaign website to be stored for future reference.  Given his previous statements regarding transparency and honesty in politics, our confusion is only compounded by the fact that it's John Edwards who is refusing to allow his site to be archived.

Requests to Edwards' campaign for information regarding this matter were not responded to; we'll be sure to provide updates as they become available.

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Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (3.00 / 1)

That's surprising to me... given he runs an open campaign.  I'm sure its some IT staffer whose doing this and the candidate is not involved at all in something this minor.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:07:00 PM EST

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (1.00 / 2)

He had to scrub his past 'War on Terror' stuff.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:08:39 PM EST
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Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (3.00 / 2)

Get over it.  He didn't scrub anything.  He updated his site to reflect his current thinking.  Perhaps you can update your current thinking.  But then again maybe not.


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by pioneer111 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:54:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Edwards MUST allow archiving of his (3.00 / 1)

campaign site. This is an important aspect of clean and open politics because there should be a complete record what they say through their site during the course of the campaign which can sometimes change.

I realized that they weren't allowing that sometime back, actually. Good to see someone bring this to attention so that Edwards' campaign can allow it in the future.


by NuevoLiberal on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:21:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards MUST allow archiving of his (3.00 / 1)

We contacted the Edwards campaign about this months ago.  We received no response, nor was there any revision to the Robots.txt file.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:28:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (3.00 / 2)

I guess his "open campaign" isn't as open as you thought. This hardly looks open to me.


by Pope Jeremy on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:07:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You mean like Obama saying Rezko... (3.00 / 1)

and friends gave him about 1/3 than he seems to have actually received?

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

But seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/43 2197,CST-NWS-obama18.article

Who are all these donors?  Where's the transparency?


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:29:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You mean like Obama saying Rezko... (3.00 / 1)

Come on. A financial discrepancy is hardly the same as a man trying to hide his words from future analysis.


by Pope Jeremy on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:33:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Or maybe worse... (3.00 / 1)

to hide the identities of financial backers.

It's telling that you assume the worst about Edwards.  Then again, a Pope likes to mislead by maintaining the fallacy that only he has a pipeline to God and truth.


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:59:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Or maybe worse... (3.00 / 1)

A blatant attempt to have an entire campaign off the record is a lot different than an off hand remark about finances that might turn out to be off the mark.


by Pope Jeremy on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:08:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Blatant? (none / 0)

Are you speaking from any knowledge, Pope, or just faith?


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:13:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dumb comment. (1.00 / 1)

Like no one hears what is said.  Fantasy land.


by littafi on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:56:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You know that Edwards is refusing to make (none / 0)

full disclosure of his non-profits, right?


Edwards defends poverty center's efforts

Staff and agencies
24 June, 2007

By MARTIN GRIFFITH, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

RENO, Nev. - Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards said his nonprofit anti-poverty center's activities have been "completely legal" and he does not plan to go beyond the legal requirements to disclose its donors.



by NuevoLiberal on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:56:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He is obeying the law... (3.00 / 1)

and there is no evidence of wrongdoing, though you seem to imply there is.  Have any proof he did anything wrong?  Or are you just being a "good" Democrat using right wing smears and creating bogus implications?


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:04:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

if he has nothing to hide, why not make a full (none / 0)

disclosure?

though you seem to imply there is

I am not. I am just saying that he is not being sufficiently open.

And that a full disclosure should be expected of a non-profit that was run by a current Presidential candidate.

An open government begins with openness on these types of issues on the public front.


by NuevoLiberal on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:16:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's right... (none / 0)

he's hiding something from you.


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:34:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He is obeying the law... (none / 0)

Or are you just being a "good" Democrat using right wing smears and creating bogus implications?

Huh... did we forget who posted the stuff about Obama above?


by NuevoLiberal on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:18:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Just in response to those... (none / 0)

who assume wrongdoing just for the hell of it.  So where did Edwards do anything wrong, since you joined in?  Do tell.


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:38:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You asked of Obama: (none / 0)

"Who are all these donors?  Where's the transparency?"

So the same question applies to Edwrads: "Who were all those donors of his non-profits?  Where's the transparency?"


by NuevoLiberal on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 11:54:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama had to return money... (none / 0)

from some of these donors, several of whom are named in indictments.

The cocktail party Rezko hosted in 2003 came at a critical time for Obama. He and Rezko timed it to help Obama show he had enough money to compete in the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate against millionaire Blair Hull and state Comptroller Dan Hynes.

"This was discussed a lot. They wanted to have a good showing," said a source familiar with the fund-raiser, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Tony was one of the biggest fund-raisers."

At the time of the party, the state was in the process of foreclosing on a low-income apartment building Rezko's company rehabbed in Obama's state Senate district -- a rehab project on which Obama's law firm worked. Rezko had also abandoned many other low-income apartments, leaving numerous vacant units in need of major repairs.

Rezko was indicted in October 2006 in unrelated fraud schemes.

Between 75 and 80 people attended Rezko's cocktail party, according to Burton, but he said the campaign has no list of the guests.

More than half a dozen people who were there said between 100 and 150 guests were treated to an open bar and food served by Jewell Events Catering, run by renowned Chicago caterer George Jewell. Valets parked cars for the guests, who each were asked to donate at least $1,000.

Rezko picked up the tab. The exact cost of the party has never been disclosed to the Federal Election Commission, which allows hosts to pay up to $2,000 for fund-raisers held in their homes and not report the expense. If a party costs more than $2,000, the candidate must tell the FEC about it.

Burton said, based on a conversation a former Obama staff member had with Rezko, that the party didn't cost more than $2,000.

Three days after the cocktail party, Obama got donations from several Rezko associates, Obama's campaign records show.

Donations dumped

The donor list includes six people involved in the two federal indictments of Rezko. Obama earlier this month said he is donating to charity contributions totaling $22,000 from three of those people. Last year, he donated $11,500 in contributions from Rezko.

Among those whose money Obama is now purging is Ali D. Ata, a former top official in Gov. Blagojevich's administration. Ata was indicted last month for allegedly writing a letter -- on a state letterhead -- that contained false information. That letter allegedly helped Rezko fraudulently secure millions of dollars in loans.

Obama also is dumping donations by Rezko business partners Joseph Aramanda and Dr. Paul Ray, neither of whom has been charged in the Rezko cases.

Aramanda, sources said, is identified as "Individual D" in one of the Rezko indictments. He allegedly got a $250,000 fee "in substantial part for the benefit of Rezko" in a scheme involving the state's teacher pension fund, the indictment states. Aramanda's son once had an internship in Obama's U.S. Senate office.

Ray is listed as "Investor 1" in another indictment, a title that stems from his ownership role in a Rezko fast-food business. Ray is not accused of wrongdoing.

While Obama has dumped the cash from Aramanda and Ray, he has kept a $3,000 donation from Michael Winter, whom sources have identified as "Individual G" in a Rezko indictment. Winter allegedly agreed to funnel a fee from an investment firm to Rezko and others as part of the teacher-pension scheme. He has not been charged.

Obama also has kept $2,850 from Anthony Abboud and $1,000 from Jack Carriglio, both attorneys. They haven't been accused of any crime and aren't named in the indictments against Rezko. But one indictment alleges that Rezko in May 2004 helped engineer the appointments of "two new members" to the teacher pension board who voted "on matters of interest to Rezko" and a co-defendant, Stuart Levine. Those members are Abboud and Carriglio, according to sources and records.

The donors either declined to comment or could not be reached.

So there is a pattern of actual donors who were engaged in wrongdoing.  That is undisputed.  It is legitimate to ask if there are others, especially since it appears that Obama understated the monies he received.

There is nothing that approximates that with regard to Edwards's non-profit.  If there is a scintilla of similarity, please provide it.  Otherwise, your need to know has no basis.


by citizen53 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:15:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

since when did donors' wrongdoing become (none / 0)

donee's wrong doing?

If you insist, Edwards should disclose his donor so we can explore if there are any people with questionable backgrounds in his list.

He should disclose anyway, in the interests of transparency, but since you're harping on Obama's story so much, let's have apples to apples. Where is the full donor list for Edwards' non-profits?


by NuevoLiberal on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:36:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

donors as well as expenses (none / 0)

so we can see how the the monies were apportioned while working for the stated missions of the non-profits.


by NuevoLiberal on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:40:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Fishing expedition... (none / 0)

with a partisan twinge that is so easy to see through.

Why don't you call on Obama to reveal all his donors who helped him politically, since there are several who ARE wrongdoers, before you call on Edwards to reveal something when the ONLY  insinuation of anything improper comes from those who are partisan detractors, right wingers and the media out to create a story at any cost.

The whole lot of you are pitiful.


by citizen53 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 01:02:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

like I said: (none / 0)


Who are all these donors?  Where's the transparency?

by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:29:36 PM EST

Who are all these donors of Edwards' non-profits?  Where's the transparency?


by NuevoLiberal on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 01:25:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Private non-profit... (none / 0)

before declaration for presidency.  Again, you are fishing and hoping for a bite.  Too easy to see through these "concerns."

I am still waiting for you to call for Obama's donors.  Nah...I'll head off to bed.  I know it's not coming, even though there were donors who may well be crooks.


by citizen53 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 02:37:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Edwards always 'ran' for the presidency (none / 0)

from March 2001 till todate.

If you find any donors to Obama that were crooks, just go and tell his campaign, I am sure they'll find a way to reimburse.

If you're going to ask for full disclosure from Obama, the same question should be asked of Edwards and he should make his disclosure as well.


by NuevoLiberal on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 03:07:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You sure know how to avoid... (none / 0)

so I'll leave it at that.


by citizen53 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:43:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Also, the nonprofits raised a couple of million $s (none / 0)

roughly ten times that of the Rezko amount in question.


by NuevoLiberal on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:03:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Where's the beef? (none / 0)

A non-profit raises funds to follow its mission.

Stop the presses!


by citizen53 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:18:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

asdf (none / 0)

"He is obeying the law"

So, when did Obama not obey the law?


by NuevoLiberal on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:45:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

you'd have thunk... (none / 0)


peace. love. equality. still waiting after 40 years...
by bored now on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:56:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History ... (3.00 / 3)

They are within their rights on this certainly, but at the same time I can see how it is bothersome. All in all though, I see it as a fairly minor issue and certainly not something that, by itself, would affect my opinion of a candidate.


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by JDF on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:10:40 PM EST

To Clarify... (none / 0)

Again, please don't get me wrong...I'm not suggesting that this is a major issue, nor am I saying that Edwards did anything wrong.

I simply find it odd...that's all.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:13:53 PM EST

I don't see a huge issue here (none / 0)

Like someone said above, Edwards himself probably never had any part of this.  I'm sure it was just a tech savvy staffer being careful.

That said - id Edwards wins the nomination, this will be a good thing when he is forced to move to the middle.


by AdamSmithsHand on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:23:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (3.00 / 1)

It's not all that surprising considering he hasn't released his tax files for 2005 & 2004.  I don't think transparency is really his thing.


by DD2 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:50:43 PM EST

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (3.00 / 1)

Exactly what information did you not get from the FEC finings that you feel are crucial. None of the candidates released their tax returns except Obama and his would be the least complex.  Good for Obama, he can brag about that.  Oh, I haven't heard too much about it from his campaign.  Could be they don't see it as a big issue.

Some things just are personal, and given the attacks on Edwards over irrelevant crap, I'd say it was a wise move.  He released additional information beyond the FEC requirements so the his holdings were all visible.  Some people just like to pick at little things just like the RW.


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by pioneer111 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:59:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

well (none / 0)

Why aren't they responding then??..The guy stated it's been a month since they contacted their camp and asked them to allow their website to be archieved.

I dont even know why they would block the website anyway.....

It's no surprise to me that out of the 3 top tier candidate, Edwards would be the one to block his site since his past history on issues contradicts a lot of stuff that he's now saying.

But who doesn't know Edwards was the strongest Iraq war supporter in 2004?..Maybe he's afraid that the folks that are aware of his contradicting history are the ones that are closely paying attention, and as we get closer to election,more and more people will pay more attention and do their research thus causing them to see Edwards past history and how it compares to what he's saying now.

One thing that may worry the Edwards camp is that during last year mid-term election, they were a lot of report stating that millions of voters turned to the internet and googled in the candidates names to do some research about them.

More and more voters are turning to the internet to get information about candidates, and maybe this is what's worrying them and this is why they've closed their site?


by JaeHood on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:54:32 PM EST

Please.... (3.00 / 2)

not sure why they are blocking archiving but Edwards record on just about everything is an open book. His positions on any of the issues are all over the internet in articles, speeches, etc.


by okamichan13 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 07:59:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Interestingly enough (3.00 / 1)

your coverage of Edwards campaign beyond this issue seems to be pretty negative and sparse.

You say you don't like polls in the same article you use one poll in NC to spell doom and gloom for the campaign.

So the question is what is your agenda? Every site and every "news" organization has an agenda, MyDD has an agenda. Thats not a bad thing but you should be up front about it.


by okamichan13 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:12:48 PM EST

Yes, this one seems (1.00 / 1)

to have an agenda.  Coming here to scream about this.  Maybe it will be haircuts next week.

Makes one wonder.  


by littafi on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:40:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes, this one seems (none / 0)

Or, before you criticize (we believe in informed criticism)...you should check our site.  Just a week ago, we published a strong statement about how silly it is to be discussing Edwards' haircut (NOT attacking him, actually defending him from the silly media frenzy that ensued surrounding his hair).

It is possible to be nonpartisan and look at things simply from a political perspective.  It's not easy, we're not perfect, but it's possible and we are proud of how we've done so up until this point.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:48:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Interestingly enough (none / 0)

sigh

We've experienced similar claims from Hugh Hewitt.  I recognize that not having a clearly identifiable agenda makes everyone uncomfortable (read: annoyed, because it's not easy to dismiss if they say something you don't like).  However, I think it's important to understand what the purpose of our website is...

The functions of our website are to provide news, analysis and resources relating to the election.

NEWS: When it comes to the news, we're fairly straight forward offering little to no commentary advocating or opposing a particular policy.  When it comes to describing newsworthy events, again, we're fairly straight forward.

RESOURCES: In terms of resources, we provide the single most comprehensive collection of campaign calendars on the internet.  We maintain all candidates' calendars equally (assuming we're able to  find information or are given information relating to schedules).

ANALYSIS: When it comes to analysis, we look at things from the POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE.  If we're offering praise or criticism of a candidate or campaign it simply means that either their policy position, recent action or whatever else we are discussing has negative or positive political implications.

Indeed, I would agree that over the past few months we've criticized or questioned political moves by the Edwards campaign on a few things (we've also aggressively gone after other campaigns, both Republican and Democratic).

Now, I realize that based upon some of our most recent MyDD posts, it would appear as though we're anti-Edwards; we are absolutely not (we're not pro-Edwards either).  There's no conspiracy, there's no hidden agenda, there's actually a fairly good reason as to why the last few posts would make us appear anti-Edwards...

We are contributing to MyDD (the way that we contribute to other community websites like this) partly to further awareness of our website; it's not the sole reason, but it's certainly a motivation.  When we put together our press release roundups, our calendar previews and other resources of general interest, we gladly put them here in order to contribute to the community.

When posting commentary or analysis, we select/write posts that we feel would be of particular interest to the MyDD community.  We want to offer material that is both unique and likely to generate a discussion.

Criticizing a candidate, does not necessarily mean that we have a hidden agenda.  It simply means that we're criticizing or questioning a particular action.  In this case, we're simply curious as to why the campaign has blocked the archiving of their site.  We did not say that they were up to something, we did not say that they were evil or bad, we didn't even say that they did something wrong.  We simply said that it was odd, that we found it troublesome and wanted to know more.

When Dennis Kucinich unveiled his Eyes and Ears program, we criticized/questioned it.  When Bill Richardson performs terribly in a debate, we discuss it.  When Mike Huckabee is making foolish campaign decisions, we criticize.  When Giuliani continues to demonstrate terrible judgment when appointing people to represent his campaign, we attack him...and on...and on...

Just because you don't like what we're saying doesn't mean that we're not right and doesn't mean that we have some secret agenda.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:43:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry but (none / 0)

I think most of us here long ago stopped  believing in completely unbiased fact-givers from the media, any media.

And when you say you have no agenda, it makes me even more suspicious.


by okamichan13 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:08:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And by the way (none / 0)

who's the we? Does "we" have names? are there multiple authors on the site?


by okamichan13 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:13:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And by the way (none / 0)

There was only a single author of this post.  

However, I used the collective "we" at times because the Co-Managing Editors of the site approved this content prior to its publication.

We is really meant to be the 2008Central.net organization/entity.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:18:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well it would help (none / 0)

to know who you are, who is actually posting, if you are representing/ speaking for an organization. If you are asking for transparency, transparency should be given.


by okamichan13 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:21:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (none / 0)

Copies of older versions of political websites could be inconvenient if the politician decides to change position on something. Obviously such changes are a reality in politics so I understand why presidential candidates (and politicians in general) wouldn't want archived copies of their sites lying around but it still feels wrong... Like they feel they need to be ready to cover stuff up, just in case.

At the same time, shouldn't some watchdog group, blogger or rival campaigns be archiving these sites every single day? Could prove useful...

Anyway, I'm sure this was just some low level IT guy's idea and will probably change if Edwards himself is made aware of it.


by End game on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:12:49 PM EST

Re: Edwards Campaign Conceals Internet History By (none / 0)

p.s. I'm recommending, not because this is a big issue for the Edwards campaign (it's not), but because I think as many people as possible should be made aware of website archiving and archive blocking so that they know to demand transparent sites from politicians in the future.


by End game on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:18:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yawn (3.00 / 1)

What a bunch of drama over nothing.  Can you access his site?  Yes.  Has anybody asked the campaign why they did this?   No.  Not much of a story.  But lets make a fuss.


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by pioneer111 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:05:21 PM EST

Re: Yawn (none / 0)

We have contacted the campaign to ask why this was done.  No response was provided.

Again, I'm not sure why people read into things soo much, we are not suggesting that this is a big deal, nor that there is necessarily any wrongdoing...

We found it, we thought it was weird and we wonder why it is the way it is.  That's all.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:16:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yawn (none / 0)

i agree with you...The Edwards camp has to come out and either tell those folks he's not going to unlock his website and tell them to fuck off or unlock the site and leave it at that...No big deal here...They've contacted him and he hasnt answered yet.


by JaeHood on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:27:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Use of the word conceal... (3.00 / 2)

implies wrongdoing.  That is the way you chose to frame it.


by citizen53 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:35:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Use of the word conceal... (none / 0)

I'm simply going to have to respectfully disagree.

The definition of conceal:

1) To cut off from sight

  1. To prevent (something) from being known
  2. To put or keep out of sight

What, in any of those three uses of the word, implies wrongdoing?

It's unfair to be held accountable for the various ways in which people could read into thing.


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by 2008 Central on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:42:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Use of the word conceal... (none / 0)

Conceal has many connotations.  Just because you pick innocent ones does not mean that more nefarious ones do not exists.

con·ceal  (kn-sl)
tr.v. con·cealed, con·ceal·ing, con·ceals
To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide. See Synonyms at hide1.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Thesaurus

Legend:  Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Verb    1.    conceal - prevent from being seen or discovered; "Muslim women hide their faces"; "hide the money"
hide
veil - to obscure, or conceal with or as if with a veil; "women in Afghanistan veil their faces"
secrete - place out of sight; keep secret; "The money was secreted from his children"
obstruct, block
- shut out from view or get in the way so as to hide from sight; "The thick curtain blocked the action on the stage"; "The trees obstruct my view of the mountains"
cover - spread over a surface to conceal or protect; "This paint covers well"
bosom - hide in one's bosom; "She bosomed his letters"
bury - cover from sight; "Afghani women buried under their burkas"
cover up, cover - hide from view or knowledge; "The President covered the fact that he bugged the offices in the White House"
shield, harbour, harbor - hold back a thought or feeling about; "She is harboring a grudge against him"
becloud, befog, fog, haze over, obnubilate, obscure, mist, cloud - make less visible or unclear; "The stars are obscured by the clouds"
disguise - make unrecognizable; "The herb disguises the garlic taste"; "We disguised our faces before robbing the bank"
sweep under the rug - to conceal something in the hopes it won't be discovered by others; "The president tried to sweep the embarrassing incident under the rug"
lurk, skulk - lie in wait, lie in ambush, behave in a sneaky and secretive manner
    2.    conceal - hold back; keep from being perceived by others; "She conceals her anger well"
hold in, hold back
occult - hide from view; "The lids were occulting her eyes"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conceal


by citizen53 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:01:19 AM EST
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Try the telephone maybe (none / 0)

if you really want an answer. Who did you contact and how?


by okamichan13 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:10:50 PM EST
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Re: Yawn (none / 0)

I odn't really agree with the comment, but the one rating is not deserved, IMHO.  Uprated.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:32:23 PM EST
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Re: Yawn (none / 0)

Thanks.  I don't know what that was about, but to each his own perspective.  


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by pioneer111 on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:37:57 PM EST
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DID YOU contact their campaign before ratting ? (none / 0)

There might be an explanation,instead you wrote a whole blog about it?! Their chat room has been shut because of technical glitch...
Check with campaign...
by yann123 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 01:15:45 AM EST

Re: DID YOU contact their campaign before ratting (none / 0)

Does anybody read?  Seriously.

I've stated repeatedly in this thread that the Edwards campaign was contacted about this matter; a response was never provided.

This archive exclusion has been this way since at least the beginning of March; it is not a recent occurrence.  The campaign has had plenty of time to respond to our inquiries.  They have simply chosen not to do so, which is their prerogative.

I never accused them of doing something bad, or evil.  I simply found it weird to block a presidential campaign website from being archived, especially when no one else in the field (Republican or Democrat) has done it.


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by 2008 Central on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 01:40:32 AM EST
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I think version control is good idea... (none / 0)

...what big secrets do think are being hidden?
There are thousands of hours of TV, radio, webvids and news articles. Everyone knows what everyone said. A candidate should be 100% control of their main communication tool. I think it was smart to block the agents.
Let the change begin!!!!!
by demwords on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 03:06:03 AM EST

Transparency is important (none / 0)

To some of us, at least. Edwards isn't running to be a lawyer; he's running for President of the United States. I say this of him and to every other candidate: Open the books for the sake of our democracy.


by zac on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:41:54 AM EST

Contacting the campaign (none / 0)

who did you contact and how? If it was by email, it might have just gotten lost in the shuffle depending on where you sent it to.

seems like a simple phone call would work though


by okamichan13 on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:12:56 PM EST

Re: Contacting the campaign (none / 0)

I recognize that email often gets lost in the shuffle.

I called the campaign several weeks after the initial request for information in order to follow up and to ask a nonrelated logistical question.

I asked my question, was transferred, placed on hold somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes, someone then picked up the phone, didn't say anything, but hung up.

I did however speak with someone in the campaign subsequent that first phone call regarding my logistical question.


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by 2008 Central on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 04:14:18 PM EST
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