Obama's Haul & memo

Obama "raised at least $32.5 million including at least $31 million that we can spend on the battle for the Democratic nomination."

Impressive; I wonder how much came from the internet.

This is an interesting memo that Obama's has released and aimed at his supporters. It's notable that in that it doesn't carry the light language that has been typical coming from the Obama's campaign-- it actually talks a bit tougher and takes on the perceived front-runner status of Clinton (though wierdly refering to her as "the quasi-incumbent" instead of just by name). Mainly by showing from history that the polls haven't been predictive of whom is going to win the Democratic nomination in the past. But it would also be instructive to add, following Dean in '04, that neither has the one with the most money been who won either. You do have to reach a threshold to win the nomination, but more money doesn't do you any more good in Iowa. In 2003, Kerry needed just $5M the final three months of the campaign to win in Iowa.

The memo also attempts to take on Edwards (though without any poll reference of the claim) by stating over the issue of electability that:

If we prevail in the nomination fight, there is mounting evidence that Barack Obama would be the strongest general election candidate. Barack is consistently the strongest Democrat with independents in general election polling, who are the voters that are the pathway to the presidency. Barack also has a 2-1 fav/unfav with general election voters, which is also the best score in the Democratic field. That strength with independents, plus what would likely be very strong Democratic turnout across the country as a result of an Obama candidacy, also likely puts more states in play. We cannot afford another election where we have to run the table to win the Electoral College.
Indeed.



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My take. (1.00 / 0)

You are absolutely wrong to assume broader online donations are an indicative of broad support.

For a family who earn less than $40,000, $30,000, do you believe they have the luxury to go online and hit to 'donation' button for an American idol type of candidate?

Polls after polls have shown Hillary is the overwhemling favourite among low-income democratic primary voters, which unfortunately are called 'low-information' voters by elitists on this site. These voters just do not donate to any candidate, period.

John Kerry had far more online donations than George W. Bush. Based on your logic, he should have beaten W. by a mile, unfortunately, George W. Bush has won not only general, but also among low-income voters


by kostner on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:33:43 PM EST

Re: My take. (3.00 / 3)

What's up with the "ou" in "favorite"?  Are you a foreign national?  Can you even vote in this election?


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:36:31 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

lol...nice catch


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:46:47 PM EST
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Hilllary's internet outreach (3.00 / 2)

from bangalore, India.

they use British spellings....


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:04:20 PM EST
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lol ... Punjab is my guess (none / 0)


by jforshaw on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:04:58 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

Where did that strange inference of assumption, "broader online donations are an indicative of broad support" come from?

Based on your logic, anything can be assumed from anything stated.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:38:09 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

Sorry, I was not responding to you. It's copied from my comment under another diary.


by kostner on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:39:31 PM EST
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Re: My take. (3.00 / 5)

Whoever you are, you need to stop it.  Unless you can move the conversation, don't contribute.  This writing, and I am a writer, is very similar to carolinehanz, maseoda, etc.  


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:46:21 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

Yep. Thanks for the cue. Done.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:48:30 PM EST
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Re: My take. (3.00 / 1)

Nice post, Jerome.  However, the nature of conversation in the preceeding thread utterly confuses me.

What is or isn't acceptable dialogue on MyDD?

From what I can see, kostner stated a divergent opinion regarding your post.  In his opinion, however, he makes no ad hominem attacks or anything that can be construed as vitriolic.

He is then accused of being "foreign" and unable to vote by Vox Populi, which is echoed by rapcetera.  Then, icebergslim declares his contribution to be of no value and, in a self-appointed omnipotence, declares to know that kostner is one of multiple identies.  Then, icebergslim troll-rates two of kostners postings.

Finally, you seem to support the ad hominem attacks on kostner by thanking those for the "cue"?  (Maybe I misunderstood the actual meaning of "Yep.  Thanks for the cue.  Done.")

I don't have a dog in this fight, and I don't necessarily agree with kostner.  However, if I am reading this exchange correctly, divergent views respectfully stated are not to be tolerated here at MyDD and ad hominem attacks are to not only tolerated, but encouraged by MyDD itself.

Again, maybe I'm misreading this, and I apologize if I am.  But the standards and guidlines for posting here seem to be very subjective, and oftentimes determined by the choice of candidate, rather than rather than the content of the posts themselves.

Thanks for hearing me out.

PS:  $32.5M + $27M + $9M + $7M is GREAT news for all the Dems!


by BigBoyBlue on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:47:04 PM EST
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Re: My take. (3.00 / 1)

kostner has made plenty of vitriolic, attacking, ad hominem, not to mention just plain pointless, posts recently and is also suspected of being another incarnation of a previously banned poster.  I am content that Jerome's action is justified.

Having said that I actually thought there was some redeeming qualities to some of his/her posts recently.  Que sera sera.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:56:51 PM EST
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Re: My take. (3.00 / 1)

He's calling the Obama supporters elitists.  But his facts are a little off.  People are saying Hillary's support comes from low-info voters because there was a poll showing she had stronger women support from people who haven't gone to college, whereas the women vote of women who have gone to college was split almost evenly between the two candidates.  That's why people are saying she has strong support among low-info voters, although college/income are probably co-related, but again, he's taking our side wrong and calling us elitists for his misinterpretation.  Yes it's an insult, he's trying to incinuate that we think we're better than everyone else and we don't understand the problems of the average person.  

As for some of Obama's elitists... Check these out.  (SORRY some are on a donation page.  I didn't know where else to find some of these videos)
https:/donate.barackobama.com/page/cont ribute/eoq2gregory
https:
/donate.barackobama.com/page/cont ribute/eoq2mario
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post_group/ObamaHQ/CXxD


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:58:02 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

The first two didn't come out right...
Http://
Some of these things like using * and / make things, when I want to use the symbol and not some different style.  
by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:59:42 PM EST
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Tools (none / 0)

The people who run the show here have tools, not available to the average user, which can help them determine if someone is or is not a troll. It's their blog and their call to axe anyone at any time.

We all have "free speech" in that we can start our own blog - people can show up to read what we write, or not.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:53:00 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

he probably just looked at the IP Address and realized it was the same person who had been posting nonsense attacks under the other handles mentioned in icebergslim's comment

and damn, that was a good catch, icebergslim


Never separate the life you live from the words you speak. -Sen. Paul Wellstone (Minnesota)
by Max Fletcher on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:06:43 PM EST
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Re: My take. (3.00 / 1)

Yes, I do have that luxury and I have hit that DONATION button more than once.

Thank you for being so concerned. Although, the difference between myself and Clinton supporters is, I know what the hell is going on in this race and I have done my research as opposed to just watch the News and let Chris Matthews tell me how to vote.


by FreedomOFSpeechFromTheDNC on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:52:32 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

Is my math f*cked, or did Obama get $124 per donor?

That hardly seems like a fortune, though it might to someone in Punjab.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:39:36 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

Ah, yeah, my math is f*cked.

It was more like $207 per donor.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 05:42:06 PM EST
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Re: My take. (3.00 / 4)

So it is okay for you to call Obama an "american idol type of candidate, but it is not okay for us to refer to some voters as "low-information voters?"

I hate to break it to you, but that is what MANY, MANY voters are. Whether by choice or by circumstance there is a large population of voters who do not research candidates, engage in serious discussion about candidate, watch debates, or do anything similar. They vote based on name ID, and the little bits of information that seep into their daily life. This doesn't make them bad people, it just means (again whether by choice or circumstance,) that they are not as tuned in politically, as the people who devote more time and attention to the democratic process.

I know you may not like it, because you are supporting the candidate who is currently leading among this type of voter but the truth is that is Hillary's base. If any candidate fits the mold of the "American Idol candidacy", and I don't believe any of them do in reality, it would be HRC.  


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:02:02 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

Well, Clinton leads in pretty much every category, but her lead is as strong (if not even stronger) in the "highest engaged" category.  Yes, she also leads in the "least engaged" category.  Where the others make some inroads is in the "somewhat engaged" category.  


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:37:52 PM EST
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Re: My take. (none / 0)

It does make me wonder what percentage of these 'low info' voters actually vote?   I don't have the numbers and have not seen them if they are available.


by soros on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 12:42:09 AM EST
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Dean (1.00 / 0)

Dean is very savy in attracting online donations. They also claimed to attract new voters, indepdents despite polls showed the opposite.

The end result was that despite the money advantage, Dean crashed and burned. Most online donors are really in the 'elitists' category of primary voters. This alone will never help the candidate to win an election.


by kostner on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:36:03 PM EST

Re: Dean (1.00 / 2)

Somehow i can't picture Obama screaming "heeeeeeeehaaaaaaaah!!" on national television. I remember seeing that on TV (after the Iowa Caucus results came in), and immediately knew Dean was done. Dean did himself in. Obama will not.


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:46:13 PM EST
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Re: Dean (3.00 / 4)

The media did Dean in.  Get your facts straight.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:00:20 PM EST
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Re: Dean (none / 0)

sorry, but i disagree. I did not need the media to replay the scream over and over again, to dissuade me. It wasn't a good look the minute it came out of his mouth. Hate to say it, but it wasn't Presidential.  


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:31:59 PM EST
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Re: Dean (none / 0)

I thought the Dean Scream was unfair.

He was in a big room, people were yelling, he was trying to rev up the crowd after a poor showing.

I just hope all Dems learn from that one: Don't yell if the camera and mikes are on. Play to the TV audience, no matter what's going on in the room.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:41:58 PM EST
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Re: Dean (none / 0)

I did too. But, I was actually happy to see Dean go down. I know that's sick and wrong, but I was supporting John Edwards at the time and well, I was so desperate to see him go up in the polls and I wanted him to win. That's why I understand how Edwards supporters today feel even though I am not supporting John this time. I get why they are so obsessed with attacking other candidates and relishing in any mistakes they may make.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:27:24 PM EST
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Re: Dean (3.00 / 1)

Flashback.. Media coverage 2004...

Every time George Bush opens his mouth a stream of semi-coherent mangled English prose escapes.  

And to the Media he is a strong resolute leader, a man of the people.

Howard Dean, articulate and capable of forming grammatically correct sentences, gives a yell at a campaign stop and the Media decide that he is unfit to be president.  

You're right, Hildog,  Its was all Dean's fault.


by Winston Smith on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:41:11 PM EST
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Re: Dean (3.00 / 3)

Let's remember that the infamous Dean Scream happened AFTER the Iowa caucus vote.  So the point is true that, going into the Iowa Caucus, Dean had the most money, the biggest online organizaiton, and quite possibly the most high-profile endorsements, and he still lost.

My impression was that this loss came from a combination of factors (including other candiates, and the RWCM, targeting him), not the least of which was his own campaign being wildly disorganized.  Still, this does prove the point that the most money and largest organization are not in and of themselves sufficient to win.

My own 2 cents is that, after placing third in Iowa, Dean was done no matter what.  A large part of his argument was "I have all of these volunteers and money that that's going to mean more votes," and once Iowa showed he couldn't deliver a lot of the rationale for his candidacy (for people who weren't hard-core supporters) went away.


Get a Vegetarian Starter Kit and a Dem. Party Mastercard
by Go Vegetarian on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:50:39 PM EST
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that was unfair (none / 0)

what happened to dean sucked. Yes, he didn't looked pre-packaged and "Presidential," and maybe he should have let a surrogate do the firing up, but he shouldn't have been portrayed as "crazy guy." The media probably had his mic plugged into a malt box that fed the audio and didn't pick up on the sound from the crowd.

However, it did make for a really funny Chappelle's Show skit

"we're going to california, to new mexico, we're going to cancun for spring break, and i'm gonna take my wife, bend her over and go BYEAAH!!!"

haha, it also makes fun of the john edwards "you know dick cheney has a lesbian daughter" comment during the debate. awkward, but chappelle makes it hilarious (not only is his daughter a lesbian, but his MOM's a lesbian, his SISTER's a lesbian...)

hilarious


Never separate the life you live from the words you speak. -Sen. Paul Wellstone (Minnesota)
by Max Fletcher on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:23:57 PM EST
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It's Obama with an "m" (none / 0)

Please correct the headline. Thanks.


by horizonr on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:38:37 PM EST

Re: It's Obama with an "m" (none / 0)

he's starting to step it up now, in this email he came very close to asserting Hillary is unelectable, I think he's going to to take a shot at her in Iowa in that regard.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:41:14 PM EST
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god I hope so (3.00 / 1)

Hillary is a disaster for Democrats up and down the ticket.

Sabato's piece, said even if Hillary wins, because of her style in 2010 she would definitely make it hard to hold onto congress.


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:07:47 PM EST
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Re: god I hope so (none / 0)

because of her style in 2010 she would definitely make it hard to hold onto congress.

This is important and only reinforce how important it is that we beat Hillary. It might actually be better for Democrats if she lost the general election after winning the primaries.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:26:08 PM EST
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You are kidding, right? (3.00 / 1)

"It might actually be better for Democrats if she lost the general election after winning the primaries."

It might be better to stay in Iraq for another four years?

It might be better to have a couple more anti-abortion Supreme Court justices?

It might be better to have another four years of gutted funding for education, health care, civil rights?

Tell me you are kidding? Have you listened to what the Republican candidates are saying?


by hwc on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:30:43 PM EST
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Re: You are kidding, right? (none / 0)

It miaght be better to just vote for Obama and win the general - so we don't have to deal with any of these things.  Plus, get ethics reform/health care/ a balanced middle east policy


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:34:47 PM EST
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Re: You are kidding, right? (none / 0)

He didn't say who she'd lose the GE to.  I'm thinking if Bloomberg were to run, and Hillary was the nominee, I could go for that.  Bloomberg is Liberal on a significant amount of the important social issues.  

Nevertheless, I think we should just end this tirade in the primaries and let God do the rest.  The GE will be cake for any Democrat.  2008 will be as bad for Republicans as 2006 was.  Republicans aren't being funded as well as they used to be.


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:36:48 PM EST
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Re: You are kidding, right? (none / 0)

If liberals split their vote between Bloomberg and the Dem nominee then the GOP could still slither into the oval office.

Remember 2000?


by Sam I Am on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:59:18 AM EST
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Without taking a position on HRC here: (none / 0)

"It might actually be better for Democrats if she lost the general election after winning the primaries." It might be better to stay in Iraq for another four years? It might be better to have a couple more anti-abortion Supreme Court justices? It might be better to have another four years of gutted funding for education, health care, civil rights?

Well, look at it this way. Agree or disagree with the following statement: It would have been better for the Republicans, as a movement, if Bush had lost to Kerry in 2004.


by mcc on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 02:57:27 AM EST
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I also read the email as a clear (none / 0)

shot at Hillary.

there' some tangential stuff maybe at Edwards but the media doesn't really care about him


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:08:54 PM EST
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he better be planning to go after her (3.00 / 4)

She is playing it safe, playing not to lose. Obama needs to make the case against her. He hasn't done so yet.

Hillary at the top of the ticket instantly would put our House and Senate majorities at risk, and if we didn't lose them in 2008 we could very well lose them in 2010.


Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.
by desmoinesdem on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:24:01 PM EST
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finally a fair front-page post about Obama! (none / 0)

thank you.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:39:30 PM EST

Re: Obana's 30 Million (3.00 / 5)

I don't see how that quote refers to Edwards but that doesn't matter.  There needs to be some thought given to the different dynamics of this year's earlier Primary schedule.  With the fundraising gap becoming so enormous I don't see how someone will be able to capitalize on a surprising early showing as they have in years past.  For me the key quote of the Plouffe release is:


First, we are on a financial course that will allow us to both fully fund efforts in the early primary and caucus states, and also participate vigorously in all the February 5 contests, including large states like California, New Jersey, New York, Georgia and Missouri...

Secondly, because so many states are holding early contests that may have significant impact on deciding the ultimate Democratic nominee, a winning campaign will need deep organizations in dozens of states to prevail. Our more than 258,000 donors provide us the foundation of an unprecedented volunteer army in all 50 states. We also have thousands more who are not able to contribute but are already volunteering or who plan too. For example, early in June, more than 10,000 Americans took part in our "Walk for Change" -- canvassing neighborhoods in all 50 states, visiting more than 350,000 households.



by Doug Dilg on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:41:42 PM EST

Re: Obana's 30 Million (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, well, if they were building the plane while it's headed down the runway I think we just had rotation.  From the Plouffe memo:


Frankly, when we entered this race, we did not think [participation in all the February 5 contests] was possible. We estimated at this point of the campaign we'd be at least $20-25 million behind one of our fellow candidates.

[...]

Six months into the race, we simply could not be in a better position. We have built a powerful, well funded grassroots movement and strong organizations in each of the critical early states.

Fasten your seat belts and put your trays in the upright position.  In flight entertainment will be "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" starring Harry Belafonte...


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:20:13 PM EST
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An interesting watch on MTP (none / 0)

Chuck Todd was stating that the Clinton Campaign was running at 70 mph, while Obama is running 50 mph.  I don't know what this means, but I think they are running the kind of campaign they want to, and everything is going along in segments.  I am telling you, this campaign does not seem to be worried.  That was the first instinct I got listening to that conference call, so these numbers are not shocking me.  They EXPECTED it.  Now they are going to ramp it up.  Watch.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:43:45 PM EST

Re: An interesting watch on MTP (3.00 / 1)

yes, he's running a general election campaign in a primary. I'll be curious to see if he starts running for Dems now, although I'm sure he's hoping his support among independents will carry him in NH, but it just doesn't seem to be bearing out in the polls.


by Todd Beeton on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:09:00 PM EST
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He must prove that he can win despite the racists (none / 0)

Because of his skin color he really has to (work twice as hard) to prove that he is electable.  The first balck president and all that.  There is a large voting bloc that will never ever support him.  He has to demonstrate that he can win despite the racists.

This is a significant challenge to his campaign--electability.  Once he has demonstrated convincingly that he can win the White House then he can go after Hillary.  There is a huge bloc of progressives and african americans who have not committed to Obama yet--they will support him in droves once he has proven that he can beat back the racists in this country and put together a winning coalition with dems, independants, and left leaning gop.

It is a smart strategy.  It is essential that he not be the progressive candidate or the black candidate or the maverick.  He has to win the middle and then work left.

Call it a general election strategy if you want.  It is like the movement thing--all semantics.


by aiko on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:22:13 PM EST
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Re: An interesting watch on MTP (none / 0)

I do think at some point the Obama campaign is going to have to kind of take the lead out. They're raising an enormous amount of money and spending most of it, but they don't seem to be making any real gains or doing anything visible I can see-- really they seem to just be falling off consistently in the polls as we get further and further from Obama's spate of free positive coverage right after he announced. What I'm hoping is happening is that they're spending all that money on setting up infrastructure that will pay off once we get close to the primaries, at which point they'll cut loose and start making a big impact. But it's really hard to tell whether that's where they're headed.

I do hope they know what they're doing. Raising the most money maybe doesn't make such a difference if you don't know what to do with it.


by mcc on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 12:39:11 AM EST
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Re: An interesting watch on MTP (none / 0)

Given that Obama's campaign has organized the largest rallies and fundraisers across the country, and that they have had to simultaneously build their entire infrastructure fron the ground up over the last five months, I find your point a little difficult to comprehend.  

Obama just started adverstising in Iowa.  Watch and see if his numbers start to move again. Obama has the most potential for growth over the next six months.


by upper left on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 02:38:15 AM EST
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Obama outraised HRC by $10million (none / 0)

in primary cash.

F'ing impressive.


by jforshaw on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:43:46 PM EST

Re: Obama outraised HRC by $10million (none / 0)

how'd u figure that?


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:50:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama outraised HRC by $10million (none / 0)

Penn said that she had raised about $21 million for the primary, and $6 mil for the general. Obama has raised $31mil for the primary and another $1.5 mil for the general.


by jforshaw on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:05:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama outraised HRC by $10million (none / 0)

Hey how do you know that


by bebe on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:50:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama outraised HRC by $10million (none / 0)

you must have some info or are you just throwing numbers out there


by bebe on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:51:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama outraised HRC by $10million (none / 0)

Hillary's camp has said they will have about 27 Million, 20 million for the Primary

Hillary
Q1: 21+10 mil. (Senate account)
Q2: 20 (Supposedly)
(about 14 million GE cash)
Total primary cash: 51 million

Obama
Q1: 24-25 Million
Q2: 31 Million
(2-2.5 million GE Cash)
Total Primary Cash: 55-56 million

He's outraised her by 15 million total now when it comes to primary money.  The buffer from the senate account makes it less noticeable.  Not to mention, Obama's campaign just created a 2Q fundraising record.  Good job Democrats for beating Bush one more way.  :-)


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:07:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 2)

The "quasi-incumbent" line is just weird.  It sounds like something that came out of a too long strategy meetings, and should have stayed there.

His point about electiability is just spin, Obama is doing less well than Edwards in most head to head polls, such as Rasmussen.  He does pull well against Democratic leaning indies in the primaries, but those are a whole different breed than the swing voters (more wealthy, socially liberal, but too 'intellectual' to admit they are Democrats).  


by MassEyesandEars on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 01:52:27 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

It does provide an interesting view into how they are looking at the campaign though... They are running as if they are running against an incumbent.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:22:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

In the primary they basically are.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:28:01 PM EST
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Good reality check Jerome (none / 0)

I need to be careful. I am praising MYDD too much today.


by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:00:29 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

We don't know the Clinton numbers yet.  I had expected about $35 Million for Obama, so this is a bit lower than I had pegged.   I believe the "somewhere in the $27 Million range" is low balling it by the Clinton campaign, so I would not be surprised to actually see her outraise Obama by a tad in the final tally.   My hunch:  About $33 to $34 Million for the Clinton campaign.  We'll see.

As for the argument in the memo:  The fitting statement is "IF we prevail in the nomination fight.   That is a huge if.  Obama does not have the highest favorables amongst Democrats, usually he shows the lowest of all 3 top-tier candidates.  He has to change that dramatically to have a chance.  

There was an interesting article by Mary Mitchell in today's Chicago Sun-Times this morning on how Obama focusing on being the transcendental appears to hurt him with the people in the trenches, in this case the African-American community:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/45 0441,CST-NWS-mitch01.article

Obama can't take Blacks for granted

Quoting:

It's time for Sen. Barack Obama to define his message to African Americans if he hopes to tighten his grip on the black vote.

And trust me, he needs to tighten it.
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It is understandable that Obama doesn't want to be pigeonholed as the so-called black candidate, but he can't be so afraid of that label that he alienates the very base that could lift him in the primary election.

Frankly, his universalist strategy might work for white voters, but black voters have been taken for granted long enough. If Obama's handlers don't understand this, then he ought to be looking for some new strategists.

More important, Obama was in the perfect position to show that being pro-black doesn't mean someone has to be anti-white. I'm disappointed that he doesn't appear to know that real progress on the racial front ought to mean that political candidates who are embraced by white voters don't have to keep their distance from black ones.

End of quote


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:08:05 PM EST

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George, I read that, get the paper, in the Chicagoland area.  This is not a nail on the coffin.  The Black Vote is split.  There is no doubt that the AA's are split between Clinton and Obama.  I hear is all the time.  But they are WATCHING carefully, and this is an added plus for black folk.  If he can raise monies to compete, this transcends to black folk, that he can possibly WIN.  So, I read this article YESTERDAY and it is in my roundup.  He knows what he needs to do, had missteps in Q2, this campaign is turning now.  And please don't talk about black issues, unless you are one, many understood what was going on Thursday.  How?  Many talked about Clinton's one-liner about HIV and Obama's about the justice system being about everyone and not JUST US.  See, we have many AA males in this unjust system, so we KNOW about it.  Many admire Senator Obama, totally, and there is no "he is too young or not ready" among us.  To keep it real, is anyone ready for this?  And they love the Clintons, but now the question is being raised, she ain't Bill.  Yes, this is the conversation that is going on among us, my mother, father, etc.  Die hard democrats, but who understand what Senator Obama MEANS to us.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:23:01 PM EST
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"And please don't talk about black issues, unless you are one..."

Preposterous and highly offensive.

  I guess I'll keep that in mind for future exchanges.   This level of discourse makes no sense to me, an attempt to "shut down" those you disagree with.  Not interested in the least in that type of stuff, so should be nobody who is interested in discussion rather than romper room "shouting."


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:29:51 PM EST
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Besides, the argument was made by MARY MITCHELL.  Is she black enough for you?    

Geez.  


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:34:49 PM EST
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Obama has to tread carefully regarding the AA vote but he also has to chip away at some of Hillary's female support.  I still believe it is the women in this country who are going to push Hillary right over the top, and having canvassed for Hillary, I see more and more women coming onboard for her.  And these are not web savvy women.  Some have one computer in their homes for their kids to do schoolwork.  So I write the url to Hillary's websites down for them and tell them to check it out.  But do they?  I have canvassed for Hillary in NY, PA and Iowa.  And I head back to Iowa in August to voluteer again.


by samueldem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 04:45:17 AM EST
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My circumstantial experience confirms your view about the women's vote for Hillary, it is significant, but it is also the first response, not necessarily the long view.  I still think that the most Obama's best move was the opening forced error on her, declaring in January.  Ha.  She must have spat chips for weeks.  (Remember her 'announcement' video?  Have another look, it's mighty green outside for January in Westchester).  

I don't think a long campaign was in her playbook until Obama, who needed one, declared.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:29:44 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul (none / 0)

think Obama's best move was


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:31:10 AM EST
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this is not to shut down a level of discourse, and I agree with much of the article.  But I am not going to start writing what is beneficial for the gay community and I don't live there or is not gay.  And you know, better than anyone, that I am totally fair and level headed, period.  That is just like I had to REMIND a person who was on a rant, about all the money for Katrina, and this "white male" view point of we wasting it there.  Yes, I spoke up because those "people" are part of my people and family.  Unless you have BEEN there, this person NOT, lived there, how can you even fathom what it is like there.  It is the same for the AA community.  Everyone just think that Obama is going to get our vote, NOT.  He has to earn it.  Just because he is BLACK, does not mean he is going to do "right by us", period.  And Clinton, just because she was MARRIED to the former president, don't mean we are flocking to the polls because of her last name.  NOT.  She got to get from behind Bill and tell us what she is going to do.  Period.  This was a good article because though, focused on Obama, Clinton ain't a LOCK on us either.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:36:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 3)

I have a lot of respect for Mary Mitchell, as I have also a lot of respect for other gifted black writers like Leonard Pitt's jr.   I rserve the right to link to any article they write, regardless of the fact that I don't have the "right" color for your tastes.  In fact, how exactly do YOU know what color I am?  I never made statements related to my skin color, so how exactly would you know what mine is?  

For you to state that I can't link to articles from black writers because you assume that I am not black (but a black person could) is absolutely wrong.  I am not going into the reverse-racism shit here, but I would have thought you knew better than making a ridiculous statement like the above.  

And, absolutely, when it comes to gay issues, I reserve the right to discuss that topic, even though I myself am not gay.  


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:55:46 PM EST
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I'm Black (1.50 / 4)

No,

You can post links to whatever Black Uncle Tom Hillary supporter you want to. But, as an AFRICAN AMERICAN, I have every right to not only be suspicious of you, but I also have the right to reject what you have to say because yes, you are not Black and it's annoying when people like you who are not Black think they have supreme knowledge about how we vote and what we think. There is only one reason why you posted that story and one reason only and you know exactly where you can shove it!

BTW: I happen to know you are not Black .


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:26:49 PM EST
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Re: I'm Black (none / 0)

I rated your comment to give other posters the opportunity to reply but I am not comfortable with either your position or George's, frankly.

Of course you are entitled to be suspicious and reject George's remarks, Lord knows, but if we start  negating one another's legitimacy on the basis of our race, either way, we are taking a big leap backwards.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:50:11 PM EST
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Re: I'm Black (none / 0)

That's fine. I'm still rejecting it. I have had it with people only talking about Black issues when it's election time like they are an expert. I'm sure if you heard "White men are this , that and the other" every single election by Blacks and women, it would annoy you too.

Maybe not.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 11:50:55 PM EST
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Re: I'm Black (none / 0)

It would, especially if I was white, which as it happens, I mostly am.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 12:19:09 AM EST
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Re: I'm Black (none / 0)

Don't worry.

I know what you meant and what you were trying to say. Many Blacks feel that way no matter who doesn't like it or agree. When people start acting like they know the Black Community better than Blacks, it's offensive. Maybe you could have made the point better , but you are still right.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:06:01 AM EST
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easy George....


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:38:21 PM EST
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easy George....


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:38:28 PM EST
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easy slim ;)


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:38:57 PM EST
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I've been really active in AA politics around Houston - and my since, is that they are split right now - but will break towards Obama.  I've seen a lot of local primary races where the AA community appears to be split, and then break heavily toward the AA candidate shorty before the election - I think radio has a lot to do with this, and communication within churches, watch the pastors - Obama has held several events for people of faith, and this is why - Hillary isn't so goog at going into Black Churches (Bill could) with much success.  And, there are things Obama can talk openly about and Hillary can't surrounding race.  Obama's Cosby like language does, contrary to what some people say, play well with AA voters (maybe not the broader AA population like Russel Simmons) but with those who go to the polls it goes over very well - I have heard Black candadites use this language for years now... Lastly, Obama directly calling out black fathers is going to be the deal breaker I think - that group does not really vote - and his policy based plans to incrourage family will make a huge differince (this is one of the issues Hillary would have a hard time handling).

Michelle Obama, if you saw her in Harlem last week, does great in AA crowds - for some it may be a question if Barack is really part of the community, but there is no question about Michelle.  

Also a huge trait of AA voters is to claim that they are "independent" or "undecided" until the last week - at which point they vote 90% democratic.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:40:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 2)

i am white but have been an organizer and advocate in the black community for years.  i just went thru the mfume campaign where the white dem power supported the white guy (in a state that is 35% black) and mfume came within an inch of winning. for fun i track the black vote.  I am quite certain that blacks will break for obama if/when he is seen as electable.  At 20+ percent in the polls he is not there yet.

The pride in the black community if we were to elect a black president would be overwhelming.  

But he will never be the 'black president.' It is not his style. He will be the president who happens to be black. His mother is white and he did grow up in Kansas.  This guy is not your typical black candidate and he is not running your typical campaign.


by aiko on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:41:28 PM EST
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Yeah, I was in D.C. for the MD campaign - I was sorry to see him lose.

I think Michelle will definetly be the first Black first lady - Not the first black first mistress ie Thomas Jefferson.

There cover on Ebony was the best selling in Ebony history, btw.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:06:55 PM EST
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really? did not know that...


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:38:59 PM EST
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love your comment, but quick correction - Obama grew up in Hawaii and then Indonesia. He was sent back to Hawaii for high school, then he left for California to attend Occidental college, transffered to Columbia University in New York, moved to Chicago to become a community organiser after graduation (for 3 years), left for Harvard law in Boston, and then finally moved back to Chicago to set-up shop.

His Mother ,Stanley-Ann Dunham,was born in Kansas and grew up there for part of her early child hood, but the family up'd and moved to Washington State and then finally to Hawaii where she met Barack Obama sr. in college.


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:38:08 PM EST
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my bad. Hawaii, Kansas...not exactly bastions of african american culture...


by aiko on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 09:41:15 PM EST
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I'm not Black, but have spent a lot of time working campaigns where I'm the only white person there - and for you to just pull a couple of quotes from this article is rediculous george.  White people saw a completely different conversation than the AA community thursday.  Hillary compared white to blacks - Obama talked at several points directly about issues black families face - it plays a lot differently...

Black academia has been slow to come to Obama - but the religous groups are starting to break hard toward him.  Churches, not Tavis smiley, Cornell West, Robert Taylor, are the life blood of the community...  

I think faith based initiatives could be a potential issue of importance this year... If they are done through interfaith councils I strongly support them - Interfaith councils, in some form or another, are groups in large cities (Saul Alinsky pioneered) they put out issue cards on canidates and do a lot of community building efforts.  Obama worked for an interfaith council while in Chicago.  I'm not sure if Hillary supports faith-based initiatives or not.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:53:31 PM EST
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No, it is not.  The quotes I "pulled" from the article pertain to the issue raised.  The middle section of the article went into exactly what Obama did wrong in the debate and what Hillary nailed, which I found to be not as interesting to this particular diary.   There is nothing "pulled" or "falsified" from Mitchell's article.  The section left out is even more negative towards Obama's chosen track.  


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:58:11 PM EST
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My apologies - I head the article with commentary... then the article is simply incorrect - So what Danny Glover as sided with Edwards?  Morgan Freeman is close to Obama? And, we all knew that Hillary can Bill were close to prominent members of the AA community.  Who cares, we can pull famous black people's names out of a hat all day.

The fact is that this article, and I'm not sure why Mitchell wrote this way, doesn't accuretly demonstrate AA voting patterns... Hillary was/is a white women trying to show she cares about black women.  Obama is a black man who throughout the debate talked about issue specific things, with solutions, to adress the problems.  Hillary has a tendency (I think it is deliberate) to be asked a question and then spend the next minute rhetorically bemoaning the issue presented - it is really frustrating to watch.

I forgot to mention all the recent Fl/S.C./ and GA polls show Obama tracking up in the AA community - those are the states he has been campaigning in too.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:21:01 PM EST
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I am white but, for some reason (I won't do into), have always been interested in AAs and their struggles for opportunity and equality.  

I have worked as a drug counselor in an all black, grassroots church based residential drug treatment program for homeless, drug addicted men.  I loved the work and I loved my clients.

I have a question for anyone who might be reading this who is AA.  How did you, personally, receive Hillary Clinton's take on AIDs and the AA community?  

Thanks for responding.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:30:26 PM EST
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I'm an African American female and while I may not be personally infected, I am deeply and emotionally effected by the fact that my very demographic is suffering a deadly epidemic and for Hillary Clinton to take it lightly by pandering instead of talking about the real problem, insulted and enraged me. She has gone too far. Way too far. I was upset when she would mock the way southern Blacks talked thinking it was cool, but now, I just find her downright offensive. My people are dying for a lack of knowledge about HIV/AIDS and pandering will not cure that. Obama and Biden were the only the who actually addressed the problem, even with the humor,( I hit the floor laughing when Obama said "I got tested with MICHELLE!") they at least, still addressed the actual problem.

P.S.

I swear to God. I better not have some NON-BLACK Person responding to this telling me I shouldn't feel the way I feel about Hillary either! You have been warned!

;p


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:47:32 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul (none / 0)

Your candid answer is appreciated.  Thank you.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:00:09 PM EST
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My apologies - I head the article with commentary... then the article is simply incorrect - So what Danny Glover as sided with Edwards?  Morgan Freeman is close to Obama? And, we all knew that Hillary can Bill were close to prominent members of the AA community.  Who cares, we can pull famous black people's names out of a hat all day.

The fact is that this article, and I'm not sure why Mitchell wrote this way, doesn't accuretly demonstrate AA voting patterns... Hillary was/is a white women trying to show she cares about black women.  Obama is a black man who throughout the debate talked about issue specific things, with solutions, to adress the problems.  Hillary has a tendency (I think it is deliberate) to be asked a question and then spend the next minute rhetorically bemoaning the issue presented - it is really frustrating to watch.

I forgot to mention all the recent Fl/S.C./ and GA polls show Obama tracking up in the AA community - those are the states he has been campaigning in too.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:21:39 PM EST
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Well, if Obama had uttered Hillary's one-liner he'd have been labled an angry black man.

Moreover, Obama's critique was more on point concerning the real reasons that HIV rates are so high in our community.

Hillary: Cheap political points. Good for her, she's a politician.

Obama: A useful critique born of true concern for our community.


by bode78 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:52:20 PM EST
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I have the same take on it like you, but I think that, if I were black, I'd be getting tired of the, "Nobody cares about you" reminder coming from a white woman.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:31:49 PM EST
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I do get tired of it . I also get tired of the fact that everyone seems to be interested in or an expert on the Black Community........when there's an election. Other than that, they remain silent on the issues that effect us.

That's the most annoying of all.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:31:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & (none / 0)

I agree.  I remember when Dean said we were going to have a conversation about race.  I'm still waiting.  I support Obama because I agree that what happens to me happens to you and vice versa.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 10:58:23 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

may i ask why clinton's level of support amongst the audience AFTER the debate


by True Independent on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:40:16 PM EST
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may (none / 0)

i meant to say why her level of support dropped after the debate


by True Independent on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:41:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

Your predictions highly contradict the Clinton campaign's prediction.  They were expecting to be outfundraised by Obama.  Not to mention the fact, the numbers I was seeing as floating predictions for Obama were 30 million, and Clinton 27 million.  (Not counting primary vs ge money)


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:44:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

I had seen some info that suggested that the $27 Million was deliberately low-balled, that at the time the estimate was released, several indications became apparent that donations were much higher than initially pegged and asked-for by the so-called "Hillary-raisers," which (according to the insider article in the NY Times I linked to here) means that the haul of $27 Million seemed like a low-ball to understate real support.   I am personally thinking the official number will be at around $33 to $35 Million, but I am not sure how it divides in GE vs. primary numbers.     I guess we will see sometime this coming week.


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:55:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 0)

Regardless of the final number, it is inflated by Clinton's general election fundraising.  Obama will still beat Clinton handily in dollars raised for the primary.


One Million Strong --- Join up
by psericks on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:14:32 PM EST
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Re: She will inflate her numbers (none / 0)

Watch and see..She will lump general money alongside the primary money...We know that she's pushing hard for general money while Edwards and Obama arent.

If she raises up to $33mil, i will guarantee you that at least $5 million of that is for general and her primary money will be around the 28-29 million


by JaeHood on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:38:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

Post above makes a good point.  Obama has outfundraised her by (supposedly) 15 million so far.  She got 10 million from her senate account and has GE cash to swim in.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:20:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

Perhaps.  When the numbers come out, we'll know more.  The $27 Million figure was circulated over 10 days ago, and there have been several high-profile fundraisers since then.  The NY Times article speculates that the take may be several Milions higher than that $27 Million figure suggested.   Of course, how much of that is being put away for the GE is another issue.  


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:59:28 PM EST
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a (none / 0)

has to be put away for GE you mean.  Since she's collecting early to fluff her numbers.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:15:44 PM EST
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You missed Wolfson's memo (3.00 / 0)

Wolfson posted on her website on 6/28 that the money would be "about what we did in the First Quarter, or slightly more, which should put us in the range of $27 million."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/ ?id=8969


by Doug Dilg on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:41:15 PM EST
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actually the 27 million figure was floated 3 days after the indian-american fundraiser in chicago where she supposedly raised 2-3 million.


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:50:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

oh my goodness now who is spinning


by True Independent on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:42:41 PM EST
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George, how unlike you to provide a hypothetical which reflects favourably on the inevitability of Hillary.  But thanks for your concern that Obama's fundraising failed to reach your expectations.  We'll know soon enough how Hillary has performed.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:08:42 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (2.50 / 4)

AMEN, can't criticize her, she walks on water.  Any legitimate criticism of her goes silent, because no one can respond.  All these candidates are human and with human flaws.  No one is GOD or GODDESS for that matter.  So, they all need to be criticized and on the regular.  But to come out and can't take the criticism of one's own candidate, is unrealistic.    


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:24:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

"AMEN, can't criticize her, she walks on water. "

This is getting tiring.  Of course you CAN criticize her.  Heaven knows, this entire blog is one critique fest.  There is nothing wrong with that.  Just be prepared to also see some rebuttals.  I don't use ad-honimem attacks for a rebuttal, just stats and also some personal opinion.   Just like anyone.   Please suspend the personal stuff.  You may not have been around this morning, but Jonathan Singer mentioned that those are not acceptable here.  

Thanks.


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:44:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

accept the awnsers from Hillary people are calling us trolls, or attacking Obama - but they never defend her policy stances.

Like, why is she against the Land Mines treaty?


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:08:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

I have seen more than one poster her speculate $35 Million, even $40 Million.  I believe your estimate was $35 Million, right?  

It is a very large take, just as much as Clinton's is a very huge one.   I was responding to the idea that the Clinton campaign raised $27 Million, which has not been confirmed yet and has been subject of some speculation.   Maybe you have solid info you can show here to confirm that the $27 Million is indeed the exact number?  I would like to see that, as the number I have seen so far is an estimate that may or may not be correct.


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:03:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

I said in the $35M ballpark.  $32.5M works fine.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:58:20 PM EST
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HOW is Obama taking the Black vote for granted? (none / 0)

Obama has said, from the get go, that he's going to go out and earn the Black vote.

On the other hand, I see Hillary going around, ' vote for me, because I'm a woman'.

If Obama went before Black folk and did the same, he would be villified.


by rikyrah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:52:31 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

The Black community will be there for Obama, I have no doubt about that. And Mary Mitchell often misreads or writes something that totally misrepresents what is going on in the community.


by jazzyjay on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 11:01:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

My question is how does the 32.5 million figure correlate into performance in Iowa?


by Djneedle83 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:08:07 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

Um,

Camapign Ads and Canvassing.

Duh!


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:55:25 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

The 32.5 Million Figure IS NUTS!!!!

It's going to take awhile to fully break it down and figure it what it al means.


by Djneedle83 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:09:59 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

What does it mean to "run the table?"

Also, I heard on CSpan a discussion that said the Democratic Party dumped tons of money and people into Iowa supporting Kerry.   I think we underestimate the ability of parties to get the job done for their choice of candidates.  In WA State, the party effectively keeps contenders pretty much muted in favor of the candidate that seems most viable or is the choice for whatever reason.

I'm hoping a third party threat or the increased number of independents will shake up our entrenched Dem and Repub parties and their candidates.  If Clinton is the candidate and she loses,  the Democratic Party will be considered null and void by me.


by joani on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:15:12 PM EST

"Run the table" (none / 0)

It means that, if you write off enough states as unwinnable, then to win you need to win every state you do choose to compete in.

Win every state you compete in = "run the table"

The Kerry campaign did something pretty close to this by the end.  By the last week, it was pretty clear that they had to hold every Gore state (I think they held Wisconsin by some ridiculously small margin), except for maybe one or two tiny states, and win Ohio.  That was their only real path to victory.


Get a Vegetarian Starter Kit and a Dem. Party Mastercard
by Go Vegetarian on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:56:50 PM EST
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Run the Table (none / 0)

Joan, I believe they mean win every close race, like we did in the senate last year.


by JoeFelice on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:59:45 PM EST
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Changes from past years (none / 0)

As an Edwards supporter I wish it weren't so, but I'm not sure Iowa and New Hampshire will be as determinative as they were in past years.

The amounts of money that candidates raises previously were so much smaller than now that most candidates basically blew everything they had on Iowa and New Hampshire.  If they broke through there, they could raise enough money in the following few weeks to keep going, otherwise they were forced out.  With the scale of this year's fundraising, top tier candidates won't be dependent on post-Iowa fundraising.

On the other hand, money is by no means the only reason Iowa and New Hampshire have been so important.  Perhaps an even bigger part of it has been that voters in other states just didn't focus until they saw the results from there.  We will just have to see.


by BRoss on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:24:01 PM EST

Congratulations to Obama (3.00 / 1)

I love the enthusiasm he is generating among Democratic voters, especially young voters. He's going to be a real asset to the party on the campaign trail next fall.


by hwc on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:24:23 PM EST

Re: Congratulations to Obama (3.00 / 1)

Yeah, and as President - he will change how our party looks for the next 100 years - namely, by us winning more races


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:28:41 PM EST
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Re: Congratulations to Obama (none / 0)

I don't think he will get the nomination in 2008, but I think he's great for the party.


by hwc on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:04:27 PM EST
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Re: Congratulations to Obama (none / 0)

Oh, in other words. He's good enough to bring peole into the Democratic Party. He's good enough to raise money. He's godd enough to galvanize the nation towards unity, but the black man aint good enough to be President?

Yeah. I see. He's just a working mule for you?


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:09:49 AM EST
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Re: Congratulations to Obama (none / 0)

I meant,

Oh, in other words. He's good enough to bring pepole into the Democratic Party. He's good enough to raise money. He's good enough to galvanize the nation towards unity, but the black man aint good enough to be President?

Yeah. I see. He's just a working mule for you?


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:17:19 AM EST
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Re: Congratulations to Obama (none / 0)

PEOPLE!  

Forget it. I'm too sleepy. I can't even spell. Good night.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:18:54 AM EST
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Oh, puhleeze, stop with the race card (3.00 / 1)

I look forward to voting for Obama for President ethusiastically....

When he's had a few more years of big league experience. Sorry, I don't care what race someone is, two years removed from a state legislature is not seasoned enough IMO. Especially when we are facing a complete disaster on the foreign policy/military front which is going to require a President who can hit the ground running.

For example, working with the Pentagon and the State Department to devise a strategy for getting out of Iraq is a massive undertaking. The next President better have relationships in the Pentagon AND the career foreign service corps.


by hwc on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:42:34 AM EST
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Re: Oh, puhleeze, stop with the race card (none / 0)

The government hates Hillary.

They all hate her. No one will work with her at all.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 02:30:11 AM EST
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Re: Oh, puhleeze, stop with the race card (none / 0)

Actually, the Generals in the Pentagon have a lot of respect for her. She's worked her butt off on the Armed Services Committee to learn what's important to the Pentagon.


by hwc on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:19:20 AM EST
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Re: Oh, puhleeze, stop with the race card (none / 0)

Not true.

They will never take orders from her.


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:58:34 AM EST
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BlueDiamond (none / 0)

I am not trying to offend you here, but you seem to have a chip on your shoulder, which of course is your right.  Some chips are justified.

However, I read your earlier comments, upthread, which infer that Hillary was pandering to African Americans when she made the comparison between white women with AIDS and black women.  The impression you gave is that Hillary neither cares nor has taken an interest in African American women who are afflicted with HIV/AIDS.  In fact, of all the candidates running, Hillary has done the most work on behalf of HIV/AIDS victims.  She salvaged approx. one hundred million dollars in federal funds, for AIDS victims in the State of NY and many of them are African Americans.  It really has been one of Hillary's causes.  

Her comments during the debate were exactly right, because she knows personally how hard it was to get that money allocated to the State that needed it most. You don't have to be AA to know what's really going on in this country and to see the crass unfairness that exists.

It is primarily because of Hillary's work for AIDS victims that 65 LGBT activists and politicians have signed on to Hillary's campaign and a number of them are African American.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/relea se/view/?id=2196

Clinton Campaign Announces Launch Of LGBT Americans For Hillary Steering Committee
On the eve of the 38th anniversary of Stonewall, Hillary for President announced the formation of "LGBT Americans for Hillary," a national steering committee of over 65 leaders in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. Members of the steering committee include LGBT elected officials, activists from national LGBT and Democratic Party political groups as well as leaders from the worlds of business, entertainment and sports. This leadership committee will work with the campaign on several areas including political outreach, communications, policy advice and counsel, and fundraising.


by samueldem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:23:29 AM EST
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The Party sees it (3.00 / 5)

The Party is not dumb.  There is a reason Obama was the most requested speaker on the campaign trail in 2006.  And as Feingold's remark shows, his efforts on the War issue has not gone unnoticed by the Caucus.  There is a reason why the Senate leadership picked him to be the point man on Ethics Reform.  And I wouldn't doubt if Howard Dean gets it a lot more than his Deaniacs seem to get it.  

More than any other candidate, Obama needed this.  It dispels a host of notions against him: that he's too young, too inexperienced, and too Black to motivate a wide segment of the population.  The Party has been waiting 40 years for another Kennedy.  They are not blind.


by Doug Dilg on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:41:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

I don't see Plouffe attempting to make the case that the one with the most money would win, as you warn not to do.  And he seems pretty clear he understands that Iowa is a big factor, as you suggest:


We're pleased to be running as strongly as we are in the national polls, but they are beside the point in a process that will be shaped by a series of early contests that will begin in Iowa.

And it seemed the 'electability' argument was directed at Hillary; while I agree the tone of this memo is more assertive, I didn't note anything hostile toward Edwards at all.  Hmmm...


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:40:49 PM EST

I think Jerome is assuming (none / 0)

that it is directed at Edwards because a majority of polls have shown him leading in head to heads, certainly not Hillary.

But besides the poll thing, it does seek to dispel some of the inevitability around Hillary probably.


by okamichan13 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:48:09 PM EST
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it's aimed at HIllary (3.00 / 1)


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:43:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

I am an obama supporter, and this is good news. However, the bit about independents are the pathway to the presidency may not tell the whole story. What about single women voters?


by Bucky on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 02:44:20 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

They probably fit into the category of either Democrat or Independant.  Possibly Republican, but the chances are a lot less likely.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:01:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

I'm a single woman who makes less than 40,000. I'm also a Christian, a Progressive Democrat and an African American.

All of my demographics seem to be on display lately and everyone who is not in my demographic seems to think they know more about me that I do and it's frustrating. The truth is, NO ONE can place me and my demographic in a box and NO ONE will determine who I vote for but me.

I'm voting for Barack Obama and it has nothing to do with any of the demographics I fit in.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:07:45 PM EST
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Ooops I forgot to make my point (none / 0)

The same is true for ALL Barack Obama supporters which is why he continues to do well despite what the Media and the Washington pundits with their cheap polling asserts. They can't fit any of us into a box and that's why they will never be able to defeat us.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:10:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

I'm sorry, Madam.

You will vote for Hillary and you will like it!

(snark)


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:53:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

LOL

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

;p


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:41:00 PM EST
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in a box and NO ONE will determine who I vote for (none / 0)

The same thing could be said for independents...

I am curious if SWV's might be making more of a difference than we might expect. HRC's lead in the polls has to be coming from somewhere.


by Bucky on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:29:22 PM EST

Re: older dems? (none / 0)

Have they done any polls on how older Dems are breaking?

Just asking because my 78-year-old dad and 77-year-old mom love Hillary.

And, you know, people like my parents are more likely to have land lines.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 03:58:11 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

Older voters are by far the most likely to vote in primaries and caucuses (they make up above 50% of all primary voters and 60% of all caucus voters.   The "over 55" demographic is Clinton's strongest of all age demographics.  So far she has a massive lead in that age group.


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:08:22 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

There's this idea that polls are stagnant and won't move at all.  When we see favorability and unfavorability polls, only 60-70% have an answer.  Why do you think that is?  Point is in the case.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:17:13 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

Obama's polls only have 60-70% respond*

Hillary's has 90+% respond and it isn't a rosie walk in the park response.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:39:15 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

The poster asked if there have been any polls done that measure "older people" support.  I stated what the "current" polls say.  Where are you reading that "polls are stagnant and won't move at all"?   I answered the posters question and explained what the polls "so far" have shown.


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:40:29 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

Yeah, I was just wondering if that might be one reason for the disconnect between donations and polls.

Most older people have landlines, so they're around for pollsters. If they disproportionately support Hillary, then that may be the reason the polls skew for Hillary.

Just guessing.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 05:53:57 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

They also vote reliably in disproportionally high numbers.  Some of the polls have everybody state that they "truly, this time, honestly" intend to vote, but at the end of the day the only people you see at the voting booths are the old people, who are there every single time.  So, if anything, some of the support that is stated by "likely voters" may underreport Clinton's current numbers, because it includes people who promise to show up, but may not because the weather isn't good or they are just too busy that day.  


by georgep on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:32:20 PM EST
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Re: older dems? (none / 0)

Hilarious.

About four months ago, we had a local election for our city mayor and the new supreme court judge.

I went to my little voting station and what did I see? Well, I saw about 35 young people with signs standing in the front with various names of the candidates. The only OLD people I saw, were the ones sitting at the tables inside handing out ballots and as always, they were confused, slow  and couldn't hear well. "Say that again. What's the last name? Okay. What's you name again? Huh?"

That was just a tiny little city election in Green Bay Wisconsin where almost everyone in the city is either old as Moses or Married with four children. Where did all those young people come from? Why were they concerned about a tiny little POS local election? Hmmm.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:41:23 PM EST
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Hillary's lead in the polls (none / 0)

Hillary's lead in the polls is coming from women (of all nationalities); from blue-collar workers and their families; from Indian, Asian and African Americans; from Latinos and from the LGBT Communities.  She splits the African American vote about 50/50 with Obama, at least so far, but all of the other minority groups are solidly in Hillary's camp.  

That accounts for a whole lot of people.  


by samueldem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:30:43 AM EST
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Ok I'm confused... (2.00 / 2)

I thought Obama was a black man with an immigrant name?

I'm sorry to have to point out the reality of Obama's candidacy, but somebody has to, because some of you live in freakin La La Land. I know some of you want to believe the best of our country and I like to be optomistic, but some here are borderline dillusional if you think this racist xenophobic country will elect Barack Obama in the general election. And you can pull out whatever poll you want! NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!That is the 800 lbs gorilla in the room that no one is talking about.

By the time the Repubs are finished with him, he will represent every negative stereotype and fear thought about African Americans, Muslims,and immigrants. This will all be done under the radar out of the public eye through 527s, swift boaters, secret mailings, phone calls, emails, and youtube videos by people who "have nothing to do with the campaign". It will be the Fox News madrassah story on a much grander scale. Then after all that...people will go to the polls and vote their fear because that is what we do. The exit polls will be way off, because people will lie about who they voted for.

It will be a sad day to be an American.


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 04:58:55 PM EST

Smashmouth politics (none / 0)

They'll do that to any Dem candidate.

Whoever gets the nomination better have a hell of a war room ready and not just for response.

They'd better be ready to hit first, hit hard and hit all the way through the election.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 05:48:12 PM EST
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Re: Ok I'm confused... (none / 0)

and if it does happen and he gets elected? what then?


by rapcetera on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 05:52:45 PM EST
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Re: Ok I'm confused... (none / 0)

Well....we all celebrate in the streets, because hell just froze over.


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:26:13 PM EST
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Re: Ok I'm confused... (none / 0)

Unlike Hillary Barack Obama has a personality that will shelter him from the inevitable smears that every Dem will have to face.

The right wing hate machine is most effective when targeted against uncharismatic, unlikeable, boring and/or elitistic candidates.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:01:25 PM EST
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Re: Ok I'm confused... (none / 0)

Huh? Are you being funny...cuz that's the most hysterical thing I've read all day.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 11:55:01 PM EST
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Wow are you in for a surprise! (none / 0)

If Obama is the nominee, that is.

Holy crapola.  Are you in for a shock.


by samueldem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:37:17 AM EST
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Re: Ok I'm confused... (none / 0)

I am sure they will try, but a plausible scenario is that they will show their hand. Raw racsism is so ugly that people will run the other way to distance themselves from it. That's why the republicans and the media want the race to be Hillary against the republican. The far right have mastered the art of vilifying Hillary and now that Bill is climbing back into the ring it will be the 2fer they've been running against forever. No new research on them. But their worst attacks on Obama will sound stupid and racist, and may even alienate independent people and make progressives even more determined to fight for the change. Cognitive dissonance and a some early innoculation will sharply minimize the effects of racism. Racism like other evil things works best in the dark.


by jazzyjay on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 11:25:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 0)

We'll, if what you say is true, then it's already a sad day to be an American.


by bode78 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 05:34:31 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

It was a sad day in America when Katrina hit New Orleans and people of color where left to fend for themselves for 5 days before something was done.


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:47:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

Recall that Bush's poll numbers began to plummet right after all theso black people were left to die in New Orleans.


by Sam I Am on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 02:27:06 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

You should have posted the whole release, rather than just the incumbent part - MSM looks for confrontation.  A lot of people here are Obama supporters and are interested in more than his critique of Hillary.

Less than six months ago, we began this campaign with a mission.

Barack and all of us were determined to defeat the politics of cynicism and division that is so pervasive in Washington today and replace it with a politics of unity, hope and common purpose.

The pundits and political insiders questioned whether a new leader and fledgling campaign could compete with the big money and massive organization of other candidates who have been preparing to run for years, and even decades.

Well, for the second consecutive quarter, you've helped send a resounding answer.

I'm thrilled to report that in the last three months, the Obama campaign has set a new record for fundraising.  Thanks to you, we raised at least $32.5 million including at least $31 million that we can spend on the battle for the Democratic nomination.

But as astonishing as that feat is, much more important is how we raised it.

To date, more than 258,000 Americans have contributed to this effort, much of it coming in small donations.  This, too, shatters all records and sends an unmistakable message to the political establishment that the same old politics just won't do in 2008.

The American people are demanding real change, a politics of principle and not just expediency.  They want to turn the page, and they're turning out and supporting this effort in unprecedented numbers.  It has become more than a campaign.  It is a movement.

Our financial success will provide the campaign important momentum. But there is practical application as well, which gives us a decided advantage in the nomination fight.

First, we are on a financial course that will allow us to both fully fund efforts in the early primary and caucus states, and also participate vigorously in all the February 5 contests, including large states like California, New Jersey, New York, Georgia and Missouri.

Frankly, when we entered this race, we did not think that was possible. We estimated at this point of the campaign we'd be at least $20-25 million behind one of our fellow candidates. But due to the amazing outpouring of support from people all across the country, remarkably, we should be on at least even financial footing for the duration of the campaign.

Secondly, because so many states are holding early contests that may have significant impact on deciding the ultimate Democratic nominee, a winning campaign will need deep organizations in dozens of states to prevail. Our more than 258,000 donors provide us the foundation of an unprecedented volunteer army in all 50 states. We also have thousands more who are not able to contribute but are already volunteering or who plan too. For example, early in June, more than 10,000 Americans took part in our "Walk for Change" -- canvassing neighborhoods in all 50 states, visiting more than 350,000 households.

We will have the largest and most committed grassroots organization in the race, allowing us to build our support, chase absentee ballots, conduct early vote programs and turn out Obama supporters in any state we need to.

This is a tremendous asset and is one more manifestation of the "enthusiasm gap" we have over our rivals.

Six months into the race, we simply could not be in a better position. We have built a powerful, well funded grassroots movement and strong organizations in each of the critical early states. Barack's call to change our politics and put government back on the side of the American people and our best ideals is resonating more strongly every day.

If you don't believe it, take a look at how so many of our opponents have in recent months embraced Barack's critique, positions -- and even his language.

Some of our opponents have tried to deflect attention from the obvious power and momentum of the movement we're building by pointing to national polls, that are all but meaningless.  Indeed, at this juncture four years ago, Joe Lieberman had a solid lead in national polls.  In the fall of 2003, the leaders were Howard Dean and Wesley Clark.  You'll recall, none of these men were the nominee.

We're pleased to be running as strongly as we are in the national polls, but they are beside the point in a process that will be shaped by a series of early contests that will begin in Iowa.

One of our opponents is also the quasi-incumbent in the race, who in our belief will and should lead just about every national poll from now until the Iowa caucuses. Expect nothing different and attach no significance to it. It is clear you did not in this past quarter and we would encourage everyone to keep our sights focused on doing well in the early primaries and caucuses, and then using our organizational advantage nationally to clinch the nomination in February.

Just as a refresher, below are some Democratic primary national polls going back to 1980.  You'll see how effective they have been as crystal balls.

* 2003: In August 2003, Joe Lieberman led the national polls, in September, Howard Dean led, in October, Wesley Clark led, and in December - one month before the Iowa Caucuses - a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll showed John Kerry, the eventual nominee, in fifth place trailing among others Joe Lieberman and Dick Gephardt. Yet after winning Iowa and New Hampshire, Kerry vaulted to 49% in national polls before the end of January, This has been true in nearly every previous Democratic nomination contest:

* 1992: According to a November 1991 Los Angeles Times poll, Bill Clinton was in 3rd place with less than half the support of the then-frontrunner, Jerry Brown.

* 1988: A January 1988 New York Times/CBS Poll showed Michael Dukakis in fourth place with 6 percent.

* 1980: An August 1979 poll showed President Carter trailing Senator Ted Kennedy by 36 points

Time is a friend to our campaign.

While voters have a distinctly positive feeling about Barack, they don't have a great depth of knowledge about his life and history of leadership in Illinois and Washington.  That history, which we have begun sharing in the early states, distinguishes Barack as someone who not only speaks about change, but who has spent a lifetime working to bring it about.

As we educate voters about Barack, we have strong reason to believe that our already impressive support in the early states will solidify and slowly build later in the year.

It is clear we have the most room to grow in the race, given that the majority of voters do not know much about Barack beyond what they have gleaned from news reports over the last few months.

We also remain the candidate most clearly synched up with the electorate, an electorate clamoring for change and ready for our relationships around the world to be repaired. The election is after all about the voters, and we are very confident that Barack Obama is the type of leader Democrats are looking for in the standard bearer.

If we prevail in the nomination fight, there is mounting evidence that Barack Obama would be the strongest general election candidate. Barack is consistently the strongest Democrat with independents in general election polling, who are the voters that are the pathway to the presidency. Barack also has a 2-1 fav/unfav with general election voters, which is also the best score in the Democratic field. That strength with independents, plus what would likely be very strong Democratic turnout across the country as a result of an Obama candidacy, also likely puts more states in play. We cannot afford another election where we have to run the table to win the Electoral College.

So, the point is this. We are off to a great start because of your help. We are going to keep our head down and focus on continuing to build a powerful grassroots movement, focus on the early states but plan for the states to come in early February and continue to both introduce Barack Obama and the kind of President he would be to the American people.

In a little over six months, the contest begins in earnest. We are ahead of schedule in every phase of the campaign. Let's keep it going and elect a leader who will transform our country.

Thank you again for all you have done in the last five months.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:12:58 PM EST

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

Who and where is this quote from?


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:57:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

It's the David Plouffe memo from the Obama website announcing the Q2 figures.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 09:25:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

Anyone else interested in the wording "At least..."  It seems to me something is up.  Last time Obama announced his totals he waited until well after the others had announced what they had raised.  This time Obama is first out of the gate to announce.  Either he is 100% sure his $32.5M is tops or they purposely put "At least..."  In case Hillary raised more, and they actually themselves raised well over $32.5M?  That may be a little too 24 for Fund raising numbers, but i just find it odd that he announced so much earlier this time.


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:43:54 PM EST

Yeah .... :-) (none / 0)

I'm wondering if they're lowballing so that they can 1) squash Hillary if she comes out with a final of $29m, or 2) just release their "final" count at the beginning of the next news cycle.


by jforshaw on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:08:55 PM EST
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Re: Yeah .... :-) (3.00 / 1)

I think that's what is happening. Last time, everyone was freaking out and growing impatient for Obama to release his numbers. So, this time he puts it out but says "At least". Then when Hillary says, " I got 33 Million" Obama can come back and say. " Okay. We're done counting. It's 36 Million."

LOL


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:45:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's Haul & memo (3.00 / 1)

Obamarama is in full swing!! Good for him.

Where does this idea come from that all Clinton supporters are poor and dumb and uneducated? WTF???
All of the supporters who I know are in college, grad school or already have jobs in tech or finance companies. Not everyone who supports Clinton is a woman or black for that matter either.

"Unlike Hillary Barack Obama has a personality that will shelter him from the inevitable smears that every Dem will have to face."

-- All the money in the world can't buy an election or experience. You don't elect someone based on their personality. Any Obama supporter is out of touch if he/she believes that the right wing will have a hard time attacking Obama or that he will easily win the general.


by bsavage on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 06:49:56 PM EST

Hillary's supporters (none / 0)

are rich,- with bigger average donation size.

her actual voters are low information or older


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:04:03 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's supporters (3.00 / 1)

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by robliberal on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:50:02 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's supporters (none / 0)

hehe!


by bsavage on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:19:20 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's supporters (none / 0)

ROFLMAO!


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:19:55 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's supporters (none / 0)

that was funny!


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 11:03:18 PM EST
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Re: Hillary's supporters (none / 0)

Finally! You've stopped faking!


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 12:02:16 AM EST
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The Plouffe Memo (none / 0)

I noticed that the Plouffe Memo doesn't once mention Obama's positions on anything, nor does it discuss the kind of President he will be or what he will do once he is office.  It all hype related to the fundraising and the "movement".  Nothing specific about anything he has done.

It's the Ploufee Pouf Memo!

Can't wait to read Hillary's press release.


by samueldem on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 05:44:20 AM EST
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Edwards leaner but.... (3.00 / 1)

...the idea that Edwards can put southern states into play has barely any evidence behind it at all. Obama's argument while not promising nearly as much is far more reasonable.


by MNPundit on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:07:46 PM EST

Re: Edwards leaner but.... (none / 0)

I think Obama's is more promising he has a 74% approval rating in Ill - with a majority of republicans backing him, and indi's favorable are in the 70s.

In the state polls last week of Oh/PA/Fl/Ga he had 30/30 approval rating from republicans and 50/20 from indipendents - Democrats were pulling him down, actually, likely because they were committed to another campaign.

I think the case for an Obama huge electoral victory is really good.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 07:12:41 PM EST
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Re: Edwards leaner but.... (3.00 / 1)

I totally agree.

It may be wishful thinking, but the only contest I see as not a squeaker, is one with Obama at the head of the ticket.  I don't know about a "huge electoral victory," but as it stands now, I can see him winning outright, above 3%.

With all due respect to HRC, or any of the others, I just cannot see anything but a nail-biter or a loss.  

I am still thinking about Edwards, but right now Obama is my strong favorite.


-Ag
by Ag on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:42:43 PM EST
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From the NYT (3.00 / 1)

This article has appeared in the NYT (emphasis added):


So far this year, the Obama campaign has raised $55.7 million to be spent on winning the party's nominating fight. In the last three months, an average of 1,500 donors a day contributed to the Obama campaign, many through the Web site or in response to more unusual appeals including a contest to have dinner with the candidate.

David Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager, said in an interview today that more than 90 percent of the contributors to Mr. Obama could contribute again. In addition to courting major Democratic donors, the campaign has had fund-raisers across the country for donors making small contributions, focusing particularly on early-voting states, and has built a database of supporters and volunteers from events that cost as little as $5 per person.

"This gives us a deep financial base that will continue to allow us to perform strongly throughout the course of the campaign," Mr. Plouffe said. "It also gives us a huge foundation of volunteers and organizational support."

After spending significant money on the opening contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, the campaign will rely on a grass-roots operation in the states where primaries or caucuses are scheduled Feb. 5, Mr. Plouffe said. While the campaign focused intently on raising money in those states, he said, almost no effort was directed toward raising money beyond the primary campaign.

"The general election money," Mr. Plouffe said, "is funny money."

For weeks, the Clinton campaign had been seeking to lower expectations for the second fund-raising period. A memorandum sent last week by Howard Wolfson, a top strategist for the senator, estimated that Mrs. Clinton would raise "in the range of $27 million." The campaign today had no comment on Mr. Obama's fund-raising numbers.

Jeff Zeleny NYT July 1, 2007


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 08:38:13 PM EST

Re: From the NYT (3.00 / 1)

No disrespect to the New York Times -- but when the Times can't but tell the truth, you know something's going on.


by horizonr on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:42:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Haul & memo (none / 0)

The quasi-incumbent thing.

I think this refers to a few things.

1. HRC campaign's "inevitability" meme that they had going on there.

  1. Basically HRC is cashing in on both her and Bill Clinton's long-time connections within the party to win major Dem donors and endorsements.
  2. HRC has near universal name ID. The rest of the Dem candidates do not.  Obama and Edwards are closer to 75%.


by Newsie8200 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 09:13:25 PM EST

figures from the John Edwards campaign (none / 0)

Second quarter fundraising figures from the John Edwards for President campaign include:
More than $9 million raised total.
More than $4.7 million raised from grassroots fundraising.
More than 100,000 contributors from across the country this year.(Q1 & 2)
About $3.5 million raised online.
93% of contributions were $100 and under (strength for the future).
More than 30% of contributions were from red states (interesting for south/north unity).

His fav/unfav stats remain good. His Q1 fundraising in the south was hugely better than that of other candidates. His national stats on beating each Republican remains tops. And, he attracts the most shark bumps from the smearbots. (The same marriage police that smeared Hillary earlier in the NYT just wrote x2 about Elizabeth the dominatrix). So, the campaign is going well and given a fair wind and following sea, should arrive in good shape in Iowa, NH, NV, and SC.

Edwards is still in the top tier.


by mrobinsong on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:13:20 PM EST

Re: figures from the John Edwards campaign (3.00 / 2)

Yawn


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:48:00 PM EST
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"quasi-incumbent" is very deep (3.00 / 1)

It is not "weird" mister. I think it has a deep psychological impact considering HRC's tactic of cherry-picking all the goodies during their 8 years in the WH. Ah! What about other not-so-goodies like bodily fluid and an overly ambitious and secret but failed health care plan? People think she's experienced and ready to lead but they forgot that it's the other Clinton who was president. Kudos to the strategist who came up with this one, very important.


Not another Bush or Clinton.
by Barackulikahurricane on Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:49:34 PM EST

This thread is hysterical! (none / 0)

John Edwards will be the nominee.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 12:07:14 AM EST

Re: This thread is hysterical! (none / 0)

Of what?

The Pink Sapphire ?


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:24:12 AM EST
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What does this even mean?


by mcc on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 03:05:55 AM EST
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Oh, I'm sorry. The Pink Sapphire Story

Edwards turns to "Pink Sapphire" spa makeup help

By The Associated Press  |  April 17, 2007

THE PLACE: Pink Sapphire, a day spa and makeup and skin care boutique in Manchester. A statement on its Web site says its mission is to "provide an avenue into the intriguing world of makeup."

THE CLIENT: Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards has relied on Pink Sapphire to look good for the television cameras in New Hampshire.

Makeup for television is heavier than usual to hold up under the lights, said co-owner Ariana Franggos. The routine is similar for both sexes except for men, "it doesn't involve lipstick" she said.

Franggos said she's done makeup for John Edwards a few times but won't go into details.

"I promise he's not in here getting facials and cucumber peels on his eyes or anything," she said. She's an Edwards fan: "He's fantastic. Great personality, very, very nice, down to earth." She's met Elizabeth Edwards, but hasn't done her makeup.

THE PRICE: Pink Sapphire caters mostly to women, offering a "timeless bride" package for $225, a "teen years" makeup lesson for $30 and a $25 "socialite" makeup do for a night on the town. It also specializes in makeup for media and special events. According to Federal Election Commission reports, the Edwards campaign paid $225 for Pink Sapphire's services, a $150 payment on March 7 and a $75 payment on March 20.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl es/2007/04/17/edwards_turns_to_pink_sapp hire_spa_makeup_help/


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 04:09:17 AM EST
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So... just basically a variant on the Limbaugh/haircut smear, isn't it?


by mcc on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 01:31:44 PM EST
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