Habeas Corpus: We Need Your Help On Polling

Welcome to the new polling project! In the spirit and tradition of the BlogPac / MoveOn.org netroots survey, Adwatch and the MyDD / Courage Campaign / Wright Consulting candidate memo, we are happy to collaborate with the Alliance for Justice on a polling that will seek to define the progressive message and agenda on habeas corpus and other civil liberties issues. your feedback is greatly appreciated. We will be discussing the construction of the poll throughout the rest of the week--Chris

Hello. My name is Kelly Landis and I am with Alliance for Justice, a national association of public interest and civil rights organizations dedicated to advancing the cause of justice.

We're best known for our work on judicial nominations, but our commitment to justice doesn't begin and end there. We're on the front lines of the fight to restore habeas corpus. To be honest, for someone whose daily work is steeped in the law, it's rather amazing to me that not only does habeas need to be restored, but that we need to fight to do so. Though this week's ruling by military judges further opens the door for legislative efforts to restore this most fundamental check on executive power and the Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to mark up the Specter-Leahy bill tomorrow, there is still a lot of work to be done.

That is why we here at Alliance for Justice are excited to be partnering with Chris, Matt and the rest of the MyDD community and working with Guy Molyneux of Hart Research Associates. You all have also been on the front lines on the habeas issue--paying attention, staying vocal and taking action. We want to work with you to figure out the best way to open that door all the way. We've seen the great polling work you've done in the past and are looking forward to collaborating with you on a habeas poll as we look to the future and restoring the core constitutional value of habeas corpus.

The other side, as you know, is proffering arguments based on fear--threats to national security, keeping terrorists locked up. And even though we all know that undermining the rule of law doesn't make the United States any safer, we need make sure we develop strong messaging of our own---figure out what arguments are the right arguments and how we can best persuade people that eviscerating the Constitution is not the way to protect American interests.

So, we need your input on putting together a poll--I've certainly seen how successful it's been in the past. In the comments section, let us know what questions you think we should be asking, what you think about wording them and which message points we should be testing.

I look forward to working with all of you and getting your input.

(FYI--If you want to see some of the work we've done thusfar, check out our website Defend Habeas.)



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Ex Parte Milligan, 71 U.S. 2 (1866)

...No graver question was ever considered by this court, nor one which more nearly concerns the rights of the whole people; for it is the birthright of every American citizen when charged with crime, to be tried and punished according to law. The power of punishment is, alone through the means which the laws have provided for that purpose, and if they are ineffectual, there is an immunity from punishment, no matter how great an offender the individual may be, or how much his crimes may have shocked the sense of justice of the country, or endangered its safety. By the protection of the law human rights are secured; withdraw that protection, and they are at the mercy of wicked rulers, or the clamor of an excited people...

....The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false; for the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it, which are necessary to preserve its existence; as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority.

Read the preceeding paragraphs, then the following, asking if the respondants strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, strongly disagree [rotate]: "The President of the United States should be allowed to order the detention any individual, without the review or oversight of any court.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 04:20:44 PM EST

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This is not strictly your topic, but I would love to know the results to this question:

"If America suffers (does not suffer) another major terrorist attack before next year's election, will that make you more likely or less likely to vote for the Republican (Democrat)?"

The conventional wisdom always seems to hold that Americans instinctively "rally around the president" and (presumably) his party at times of crisis.  It would be interesting to ask them what they think before the crisis.  Needless to say, a breakdown of the results in each cell of the 2x2 matrix (does/does not, Rep/Dem) would be fascinating.

On habeas corpus specifically, I would ask:

"If the government says person X is a dangerous terrorist, do you have a right to know the government's evidence for this statement?"

-- TP  


by Rethymniotis on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:35:50 PM EST

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Regarding your habeas question, it's a good start, but you might get better results if you asked the following: "The government says Farouq Hosni [in reality, he's the egyptian minister of culture; I picked him as a generic-sounding Arab name] is a dangerous terrorist.  Hosni was captured in Afghanistan, fighting against American troops, etc etc, more detail here."  Then you could ask questions about this fictional case, in order to suss out attitudes without divorcing them from the context of "threatening foreigner" that most people will think of when evaluating terrorism.  


Nerding out on politics since 2002
by meelar on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:03:07 PM EST
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I think a rankings question about how much they consider constitutional issues when discussing counterterrorism would be helpful.

something like

On a scale of one to five, with one being not at all concerned and five being very concerned, how concerned are you about protecting civil liberties when creating counterterrorism policy?...how concerned are you about civil liberties under current counterterrorism policy?

On a scale of one to five, with one being ineffective and five being very effective, how effective must a counterterrorism policy be at protecting American lives for you to consider surrendering your civil liberties?...how effective do you consider current counterterrorism policy to be?


by Jay R on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 06:50:27 PM EST

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I mean no disrespect to Jay R, but I have to get this off my chest:

As a respondent to a poll of any kind, I always find "scale of 1 to 5" questions ... well, questionable.  I find myself re-calibrating my own scale from question to question.  A "5, very concerned" may feel right to me for one question, but I'd have to answer "8! totally freaked out!!" on the next question, on the same scale.  Sure, if it's an on-line poll where I can go back and re-scale previous answers, I find a question where "1, not at all concerned" fails to adequately capture my indifference to that subject.  

I suppose that in a large sample, subjective scaling differences between individuals kind of average out, because pollsters do seem to use "scale of 1 to 5" questions, and they know what they're doing after all these years, right?

-- TP


by Rethymniotis on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:09:49 PM EST
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Five part multiple choice (strongly agree ...disagree)

I support the right to a jury trial for any American.

I support the right to a jurty trial for any person.

I support the right to a jury trial for pedophiles.

I support the right to a jury trial for terrorists.


by syvanen on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 07:57:19 PM EST

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If your daughter was stopped for "suspicious activity" and taken to jail, do you think she should get a trial? What if she insists she is innocent, but the arresting officer insists she had a weapon, and calls her a "terrorist"?

If a neighbor named Ahab is stopped for "suspicious activity" and taken to jail do you think he should get a trial? What if he insists he is innocent, but the arresting officer insists he had a weapon, and calls him a "terrorist"?

Do you think all U.S. citizens should have the right to "habeus corpus" (the right to be brought before a judge to determine if you are guilty or not)?

What if they are foreign-born? What if they are visitors and not citizens?

What rights would you expect for yourself or your child if you were arrested in England? In France? In Iraq?

What if they are suspected of a serious crime, like terrorism?


by MS on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:40:24 PM EST

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I don't know how this should be translated into polling questions, but I think a critical aspect of the habeas corpus discussion: no one wants themselves to be picked up by the police, stuck in jail, and/or tortured, but lots of people don't mind if that happens to other people if it might mean they would be safer. So if the government only picks up Arab terrorists, or communists, or poor black people, then they don't care. But if the government went after them or their family members or friends, then they would care.


by RandomNonviolence on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:40:54 PM EST

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I feel more safe or I feel less safe: Because my local police department does not have to disclose to anyone who is in the jail and the reason they are there.

I feel more safe or I feel less safe: Because my local police department must disclose to the public who is in the jail and the reason they are there.


by croweb on Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 11:42:49 PM EST

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I think your wording should reflect that about half the respondents actually know what "habeus corpus" is - just say a word of latin, and they're lost.  I would recommend paraphrasing what it means, rather than using the term, in most of your questions.

Perhaps:
"Do you think the President should be able to indefinitely jail anyone he deems a threat without charging him or her of a crime or allowing access to a lawyer?"

To me, this gets the point across that this is a dictator we're talking about, not a president.

Wish I had more time, I have ideas but wordsmithing these takes a while.  I'm happy to see that you're doing this poll!


end the occupation of Iraq
by aip on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 03:50:24 AM EST


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