Debate Open Thread

Use this thread to talk about the debate.

Also, Chris Dodd's internet team seems to have put together some pretty cool coverage of the debate, which you can check out here. They also have a cool debate clock that will measure the amount of time each candidate spends talking. I have embedded the clock in the extended entry.



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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I'm looking forward to this. I hope that Obama Hillary and Edwards has enough time to answer the questions fully. We all know they didn't have that opportunity last time.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:46:21 PM EST

Good! (3.00 / 1)

The candidates are challenging each other, thanks to Edwards.

Hold on to your hats, people: the race starts tonight.


by david mizner on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:22:39 PM EST
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Dodd Web Streams (none / 0)

Are very  cool.  I'm watching the preshow webcast now.    


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:48:51 PM EST

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Interesting there were chairs, then not.


by benny06 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:49:52 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Why is Ed Rollins relevant to this debate, and why is Lou  Dobbs, of all people, relevant to the broadcast?


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:52:33 PM EST

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Oh, my goodness, I heart that clock graph.  I'm going to be liveblogging over at The Texas Blue; mind if I link over?


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by George Nassar on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:53:32 PM EST

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OK, it was too nifty not to mention, and I wanted to give MyDD credit since I wasn't the one that found it, so I linked over anyway.  :-)  If that's a problem, let me know and I'll pull it.


-- The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
by George Nassar on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:59:32 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

My computer is blocking a crapload of pop ups. Am I the only one?


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 06:59:54 PM EST

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Please excuse the comment "not related" to post. We are running late and scrambling to get the word out.
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by aravella on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:02:25 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

This is actually a good debate. Let's listen.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:10:11 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Biden falling lockstock and barrel for the right wing frames when it comes to "supporting the troops" with the funding.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:11:28 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

fuck!  Biden just did it again!


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:23:25 PM EST
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I think Biden just blew a gasket


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:34:28 PM EST
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Out of the park (3.00 / 2)

I think Obama hit the "funding" question out of the park.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:13:01 PM EST

Edwards (none / 0)

Finally, someone calling people on it.  Even though Obama did good, Edwards is calling him and Clinton on their lack of leadership.

Obama, "Kiss my butt, Johnny Come lately"

Clinto, "I'm not getting into this, George W. Bush sucks."


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:15:50 PM EST
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Dodd with the right wing frame. (3.00 / 1)

I liked Dodd's answer on the funding question too.  The problem is he started with a right wing frame.  "First responsibility of the President is to protect"  That's B.S.  The first is to defend the constitution.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:18:13 PM EST
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Re: Dodd with the right wing frame. (none / 0)

Dodd just did the right wing frame again in the second part of the debate.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:15:52 PM EST
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Re: Edwards (3.00 / 1)

Hey, I'm glad Obama told Johnny Boy to stop playing politics. This is too serious.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:20:39 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Edwards just gave props to Dodd!


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:14:40 PM EST

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John Edwards has some nerve. He voted for this thing. He didn't read the NIE and now, he's the "moral" authority. PLease.

Obama told Edwards that he was about FOUR years too late behind him. Warned him not to play politics with this thing.

You Go Baby!


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:15:20 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

He was on the intelligence committee.  He got to hear the report.

I can't blame Obama for not criticizing him on that -- after all, he's perfectly aware that not having been in the Senate at the time, he didn't even have a say in the first place.

What, is this the Obama strategy -- he talks about unity and working together, and his devotees do the mudslinging?

I like Obama's message.  I would recommend people not ruin it with biased input.


-- The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
by George Nassar on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:18:56 PM EST
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The CRICIAL moment , Mr. Edwards was in 2002 when you made the wrong CHOICE!


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:16:59 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

CRUTIAL


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:17:18 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Crucial.

And yes, it's probably easier for a Senator who didn't have to make the choice to criticize others.  Particularly one from a predominantly blue area, as opposed to one from a red state.  But seeing as he wasn't there, that rings a bit hollow.


-- The Texas Blue: http://www.thetexasblue.com
by George Nassar on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:53 PM EST
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I guess holding a speech on the subject before the vote doesn't mean anything.  Just like Edwards had a speech on "not funding the war" before the recently passed war supplemental doesn't mean anything, right?  Or is this a blade that only cuts one way?


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 12:07:34 AM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Edwards did well to point out the Obama and Clinton waited in the wing till the thing passed before they voted..nor did they take a stand before hand


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:19:29 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Obama did well to rebut that little game of politics.

4 Years Too Late!


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:21:43 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Not True,

16 Votes Petition. Look it up!


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:27:22 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Richardson says his approach is different , but when pressed his position is not different.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:19:34 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

And Blitzer pulls into the lead on the Talk Clock!!


by billybob on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:19:52 PM EST

CNN's player breaks my computer. (none / 0)

Do I have any options?


by Ramo on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:24:57 PM EST

Re: CNN's player breaks my computer. (none / 0)

It should be available after the debate in a different format.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:25:50 PM EST
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Re: CNN's player breaks my computer. (none / 0)

You could always check out our liveblog. If you can't watch, you can read.


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:35:40 PM EST
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Loving Gravel (3.00 / 1)

I love how Mike Gravel mixes the things up.  He even made Clinton stutter a little bit on the IAUF quesiton.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:29:15 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Wow! Clinton blamed the iraqis for the failures in Iraq..what a B**ch


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:30:00 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I hope enough minuets went by......

I loved how Edwards gave props to Obama for being opposed to the war in advance and the audience clapped. I LOVED it.

Thanks, John.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:36:02 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I totally disagree with most of these guys on Immigration :( we really need to enforce our laws on the books and letting in tens of millions of illigal immigrants into the country will only lower overall wages for all workers and increase crime rate..sorry but its the truth


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:37:20 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

They're already here.


by Baldrick on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:03:15 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Agreed.  I don't know how letting big businesses keep hiring illegal immigrants helps keep American wages up.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 12:09:46 AM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

I am not an Obama supporter (I am waiting breathlessly for Gore).

Obama's response about English as the official language was AWESOME! He just moved up a few notches in my mind.


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:37:28 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

I agree completely.  I am by no means an Obama fan (Edwards thus far), but that answer was great and he definitely earned some respect for that.  

On another note, I want to hear more from Dodd!  This is so unbalanced so far.  I love Dodd's clock app.


by Penn08 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:43:05 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

HAHA Edwards and Obama are giving each other props and Hillary is in the middle being ignored, that's great


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:46:04 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

ON health care, Dennis Kucinich rejects your reality and substitutes his own.


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:47:30 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Obama and Edwards going at it on UHC. I agree with Obama . I am a grown adult. I don't want a UHC that FORCES me to pay. I don't like to be FORCED!

Go Obama!


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:47:45 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

If you were actually a grown adult you would realize in the real world life isn't always going to work out what an individual can do. It sometimes comes down to the power of the various forces in the system, and what we can collectively do. But great spin.


by bruh21 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:26:25 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Great "Counter Spin"


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:49:25 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

You are idiot. seriously, I'm spinning. I am worried about what my healthcare cost is. Is any of this real to you? I don't sense it is. I have no idea what the eventual solution to the healthcare debate should be. But, I do have problem with cute statements like left to the individual when in fact we know there is less choice rather than more. It's simply mouthing words to even suggest such a thing when we are a) looking at hyper inflationary increases (10 percent or more per year) in cost for those of us who can afford insurance b) that the coverage is strinking because of all the things they don't cover c) that there are some 40 million people who aren't cover d) that there are any number of people who are under cover e) that the costs are spiralling out of control. And all you can come up with is your concern over how you think Obama scored some cute one liner? You must be kidding me. I am  hoping this is just your zeal of th emoment rather than who you really are. If not, you do a disservice to your candidate.


by bruh21 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:41:58 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

"You are idiot." says it all.  Thank you.  Made my night.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 12:11:20 AM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Obama's Health Care plan takes similar approaches as Edwards to lowering costs.  The things you are confronting are things that Obama's plan covers in similar ways to Edwards.  Obama's plan ALSO hits malpractice reform, but that must be hard for Edwards getting rich from being a trial lawyer, right?  Obama's plan also has "catastrophic coverage" something Edwards' plan doesn't hit.  

Another thing worth noting is 47 Million not covered, roughly 40 million undercovered.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 12:16:03 AM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

My point was that Obama's response to Edwards was not a good one, but instead was to score beneath him political points. I actually think Obama has some good ideas too. My response was to the fact that rather than engaging in a discussion of the various merits of both candidates good ideas and bad ideas, the poster comes on to bring up the low class approach that Obama used on this issue. This also not the first time that the poster has come on here with this rah-rah my team crap. Edwards supporters are also guilty of it. It's getting old. Hence my response. I am reasonable with reasonable people and rude to those who are not.


by bruh21 on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 12:41:16 AM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

They are working quite well together. Is it an Edwards/Obama homerun?


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:48:01 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Obama/Edwards


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:50:48 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Ewards/Obama, Obama/Edwards. I like both. But to be honest, Hillary has improved her technique quite a bit. But based on character issues, I'm no Hillary fan.


by anothergreenbus on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:57:52 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Did Hillary just use a Goldwater quote?  The former Goldwater girl speaks her mind lol


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:52:05 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

LOL Either way, they had everybody else blocked out.


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:52:12 PM EST

Don't Ask Don't Tell (3.00 / 2)

I actually think Clinton did well with the "gotcha" question.  

Biden did a good follow up as well.

I'm glad they all agree on the issue.

I think Richardson is desperate for time with his me tooism right now.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:52:16 PM EST

Re: Don't Ask Don't Tell (3.00 / 1)

Don't you mean : Governor of New Mexico Bill Richardson?

Every time he opens his mouth, he reminds us that he is a governor....


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:54:23 PM EST
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Re: Don't Ask Don't Tell (none / 0)

For somebody who needs to make up ground, he's pretty much flat-lined with the audience on every issue.


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:55:53 PM EST
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Re: Don't Ask Don't Tell (none / 0)

I see the SNL skit right now.  "I'm a Governor.  Did I mention that?"


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:56:21 PM EST
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Re: Don't Ask Don't Tell (none / 0)

Amen to all three of you. ROFLMAO!

I thought I was the only one who noticed that.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:01:12 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

This is so much more enjoyable than the last debate! Edwards is doing pretty well, if a little combative.
Hillary is holding her own, as would be expected.
Obama really is shining, I can't deny it.
Richardson is bombing.
I would LOVE to hear more from Dodd!
I would LOVE if Biden got off that stage!
Gravel is playing his usual, awesome role - but that English as the official language line pissed me off.
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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:54:55 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

Yeah, that one was Hillary's best answer. It's not about an official language, it's about beating up on people who don't speak English.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:58:53 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Hill spends entirely too much time invoking Bill.


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:59:08 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I think we have a similar take.  However, I like Edwards getting a little combative.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:59:08 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I like it too - but how will it play with the public?


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:03:31 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Don't really know unfortunately only time will tell.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:10:15 PM EST
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One thing completely pissed me off - no one called Wolfie on the framing of his question to Edwards about the "war on terror".

Wolf said the JFK plot would have caused "substantial damage" and great loss of life. There was no way it could have worked!

I was waiting for this and told myself that if any candidate called Wolf's bluff they would earn my vote. No one did.


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:56:01 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Richardson is the first to talk about our "Good ally Israel."


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:56:17 PM EST

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yeah I hate the way the Aipac et al crowd have to be pleased in some ways by politicians pisses me off to no end


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:01:02 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

WHo the hell wrote these questions!!!! Our great MSM at work!

Carville must have written the one regarding Bill


We'll find a way to change
by Kilgor Trout on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:57:05 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I'm still waiting for a candidate besides Gravel to get angry. These questions are designed to trip the candidates up, they're full of retarded frames, they're ignoring the important issues.

First one to really lay into Blitzer wins massive respect from me. To me, they're trying too much to show they have good policies. That's hard to do in a minute, and it makes more sense to prove they can fight the Right.

Also, could somebody please get Richardson off that stage? It's embarassing for him and everybody watching.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:57:27 PM EST

Clock Watching (none / 0)

I'm watching the clock.  I'd like it if Gravel and Dodd could get more time.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:58:07 PM EST

Re: Clock Watching (none / 0)

Is Blitzer still winning?


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The Texas Blue
by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:58:33 PM EST
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Re: Clock Watching (none / 0)

Anyone want an over/under on Gravel's time?


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:59:20 PM EST
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Re: Clock Watching (none / 0)

I'll give you 5:20 as an over under


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:00:26 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Edwards/Obama or Obama/Edwards  works for me.

and I agree, not hearing enough from Dodd, Richardson not doing great


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:58:53 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Half the problem is that Dodd's not doing enough with his time. He's coming over as sensible but unexciting, the kind of guy who'd have been a shoo-in for the nomination back before McGovern created the primary system but struggles for traction now. He needs to shoot his mouth off more, because right now he's getting the least attention of the third-tier guys, because he's neither playing into right-wing frames nor a crazy old man.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:01:44 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Totally agree on Dodd - too much laying out the issue, not enough getting out his message. He needs to stop wasting time and start making some harsh, poignant points to get himself noticed. You think the guy with the clock would realize this!

Also...
Larry King just said Edwards is owning!


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:06:35 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

He's good on interaction with the netroots (see top of page) and he cares about the issues that are popular with the same group, but he hasn't got the third necessary feature for a netroots candidate - willingness to brutally put down right-wing arguments


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:11:18 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)


  I don't much like Hillary Clinton, but now I'm getting close to outright hating her guts.

 She's regurgitating Republican talking points, over, under, sideways, down.

 If she wins, NOTHING will change in America. Nothing.

 


by Master Jack on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:59:11 PM EST

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You got that right, Jack!


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:03:45 PM EST
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 It's become crystal clear why Murdoch loves her so much.

 Why are the Democrats always stuck with these craven, triangulating cowards as standard-bearers?


by Master Jack on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:06:24 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

If Richardson likes his state so much, can't he just run for Governor there?

Was his gubernatorial run full of shout-outs to his congressional district?


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:03:06 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

You can't discount the power of the shoutout.


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The Texas Blue
by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:05:43 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Can we get a Debate part 2 thread?


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:03:41 PM EST

Dodd Clock (none / 0)

CNN loves the Dodd clock!


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:06:09 PM EST

Oh Great Talking Heads! (3.00 / 1)

I don't want 3 minutes of talking heads.  So far i think Obama and Edwards are winning, and shining.  In fact, if anyone was watching, they would think they were the front runners with all of their "agreeing".  (Except for the IAUF vote).

That is not to say Clinton is doing bad.  Doing bad I would say is Richardson I think.  Biden I think is a little too yelling.

I'm watching CNN coverage and Candy Crowley is leading off with the meme that Edwards is doing well.  Not bad.  I support Obama, but I like the focus on the non HillaryObama horse race.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:07:21 PM EST

Re: Oh Great Talking Heads! (none / 0)

Biden sure is a loud, loud man.

Ooooo... and now there showing us bloggers! How cute with their little laptops! :)


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:08:44 PM EST
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Re: Oh Great Talking Heads! (none / 0)

Even Larry King had some good stuff to say about Edwards, which surprised me.


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:08:51 PM EST
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Re: Oh Great Talking Heads! (none / 0)

I'm an Edwards supporter and couldn't agree more.


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:08:51 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

I've gotta say that Edwards has been holding his own tonight and he's not afraid to rankle the others to make a point.


The best sig is no sig.
by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:07:55 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Agreed..both Edwards and Obama are doing well


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:10:45 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I agree. I've been concerned that he would be afraid to draw a little blood. So far it's only a drop or two.


by anothergreenbus on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:13:06 PM EST
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Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I think all the top tier candidates are doing well and they are drawing a serious wedge between themselves and the others. This is a really good debate, I am happy with this one.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:26:03 PM EST
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Picture (none / 0)

While Kuccinich was talking.  Obama was the only one looking at him.  I wonder if anyone else thinks that that is a big deal.  Doesn't any one else think he has something important to say?  I don't know.  Maybe I'm stretching with my Obama support.  It's live blogging afterall.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:14:14 PM EST

Re: Picture (none / 0)

Dennis Kucinich actually does have alot to say that matters and he makes a lot of sense on some issues I wish people Would take him more seriously so yeah


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:21:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Kucinich was stymied by that question on how to rebuild the military. That one burns.


by anothergreenbus on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:15:04 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Yeah, really missed a trick there. That was a tailor-made opportunity to bring up the issue of Bush threatening to veto troop pay rises. He should have made that issue his own.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:18:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I'm rather confused by Kucinech.  He's anti-war.  So why would he go out of his way to promote the military and/or not get rid of it?  It's hypocritical in a sense.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 12:21:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I believe John Edwards has fabulously shown how different he is from the other candidates and that he can be the vessel of change for our country.

He makes me proud to be an American again. I think he has done excellently so far!


by TheLinRevolution on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:15:35 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

There ya go, Dodd! Good response on the military programs question.
He is really pushing the anti-Bush angle, and trying to establish himself as a Leadership-oriented candidate.

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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:16:24 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

It just occurred to Obama this week that the VA has some problems?


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:17:26 PM EST

Obama VA hospital (none / 0)

I think Obama is stumbling a bit on this question.  He's wondering.

Never mind he just came back around.

I wonder how his "VA access" answer will play.  

Richardson was all over this.  I think he has the better answer.  


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:18:52 PM EST

Re: Obama VA hospital (none / 0)

Believe it or not, he flat-lined with the audience. (Richardson)


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:20:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama VA hospital (none / 0)

Yeah, Obama gave a decent but uninteresting answer, then Richardson followed with his best answer of the night.
Obama made it up a little with his second response.

Hero Card, huh Richardson? {sigh}


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:21:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama VA hospital (none / 0)

Gravel is attacking Obama on this.

Obama's answer is very presidential.  I don't think the attack will be salient.  Wolf saved his ass by following up with it.  Obama gave the best part of the answer on that one.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:21:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Is it me or is Hillary getting less face time then some of the others..not that i'm complaining mind you :D

and Richardson just screwed up..its not the lady's husband its her son..


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:19:04 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

anybody else getting sick of Hillary's cackle


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:20:47 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

yup count me present on that one lol


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:22:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

this is a much better format than the previous debate


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:21:55 PM EST

Thank You Mike Gravel (none / 0)

Thanks for asking Barack if he knew about the shortcomings of the VA. My wife is a Vet and I know there are problems. It blew me away when Barack stated that he became aware of the deficiencies when he was on the oversight committee.

How can you get into the Senate and not know someone  that has had serious problems with the VA system?


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by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:23:00 PM EST

Hillary (3.00 / 1)

Got to give props on the Dick Cheney Joke.  I wonder if it was really on the spot.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:23:56 PM EST

Re: Hillary (none / 0)

Sure seemed like it.


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:25:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm Sorry... (none / 0)

but listening to Gravel is like listening to fingernails on a chalkboard. Could he get any shriller or more obnoxious? Sheesh.


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by gatordemocrat on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:25:05 PM EST

Re: I'm Sorry... (none / 0)

He's asking the right questions, but he sounds much more shrill than last time.


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by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:26:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

edwards nailed it on the response to the iranian issue


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:25:16 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Agree - Iran, separate an unpopular leader, diplomatic means.


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by dk2 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:27:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Edwards has the most complete understanding of the Iranian crisis, he came across as so educated.  


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by sdchilders on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:29:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I liked Edwards's answer on Iran, he's not talking about a military option.


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:26:36 PM EST

Iran (none / 0)

I think Biden actually gave the best answer on the iran question.  He gave the facts about how far away from actually being a threat they are.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:26:49 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Yes Biden didn't do too bad on that either


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:27:21 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

in general the dems are showing their superior intellect


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:30:41 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

yeah much better then double guantanamo, call jack baur (sp?) and torture the hell outta'em lol


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:32:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 3)

I'm so glad they didn't let that last hand raise pass - what a irresponsible and ridiculous question. Go to Hell, Blitzer.


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:31:31 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

This might be the best part of the debate, they were climbing over one another to blast him on that!


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:32:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

It was sort of a meltdown on all parts.


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:36:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

They didn't fall for the Sudan hand-raiser either - good job Democrats! Hillary keeps leading the charge against this ridiculousness - props for that!


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:34:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

lol they're not letting Blitzer get away with this raise your hand crap lol good for them and that does show superior intellect on their part


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:34:54 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Didn't like Edwards' answer on Pakistan. A bit too United Fruit for my liking.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:35:03 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 3)

"Wolff, were not going to engage in these Hypotheticals" That was great!

Why is it that they are letting Hillary be the one to attack Blitzer?


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:35:04 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I love it. They rejected the HYPOTHETICAL on Darfur!


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:35:14 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 2)

So far I think the Democrats are winning.


by anothergreenbus on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:35:35 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

without a doubt


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:36:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

The American People are winning, sir.


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:36:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Richardson is genius on the Olympics as a tool against China - he's really proving he is the diplomat.

I don't like how Dodd disagreed with the Olympics card so quickly.


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:36:39 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Very definitely not. Dodd was acting as if it was beyond the pale, rather than just one of the few ways the west can wield any influence against China.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:38:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Richardson seems to be pleading. Better Secretary of State than President.


by anothergreenbus on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:41:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Edwards - Great on Darfur.


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by dk2 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:37:33 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

go joe biden


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:38:50 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Here goes Biden again


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:39:29 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Keep an eye out for some froth.


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:42:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wolf Olympics (3.00 / 1)

What the hell is the deal with Wolfie's Hard on with the China Olympics?


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:40:06 PM EST

Re: Wolf Olympics (none / 0)

How will he leave without his synchronised swimming coverage?


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:43:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama is cleaning up (none / 0)

on combat questions. Hillary is nailing the framing issues. Everyone else is doing fairly okay and definitely better than the republicans.
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by lovingj on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:40:46 PM EST

Meant to say (none / 0)

candidates that attack Obama really shows where he shines. Obama is a really good counter puncher.
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by lovingj on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:42:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I wish Blitzer would quit cutting the candidates off.


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:41:06 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Great job kid! Bringing up national service.
See ServeNext.org for everybody's stance on national service.
by patricks54 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:41:32 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Biden really impressed me on the Darfur question. I'm not sure if his plan is feasible, but I do like his attitude - not getting in and trying to run somebody's country for them, but using our technology advantage to stop crimes like genocide.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:42:16 PM EST

Women Love Obama on CNN Pipeline (none / 0)

those little pink bars spike whenever he talks, so hopefully he can eat away at Clinton's numbers eventually

a similar thing seems to be happening with Edwards... feel good candidates?


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:42:24 PM EST

Re: Women Love Obama on CNN Pipeline (none / 0)

yeah, but Edwards is getting ignored in the second half.


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:45:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Women Love Obama on CNN Pipeline (none / 0)

Where are you seeing those bars?


by anothergreenbus on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:45:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Women Love Obama on CNN Pipeline (none / 0)

go to cnn.com, and click on "watch the debate live on pipeline"

one of the choices you have is the "NH Voter Response" -- that's where you can see 'em


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:50:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Mandatory Service (none / 0)

I think this was my favorite question of the night.  It gave everyone several directions that they could go.  And it came not from some "gang of 500" pundit, but an 18 year old kid.

I liked everyone's answer on it.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:43:26 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Just give us a # Obama, Say 200K a year is "Rich".

Also, how about eliminating the cap on Social Security taxes?


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:45:29 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

He already did. He said repealing the Bush tax cuts, going back to the Clinton years. Blitzer either wasn't listening or was pressing on the issue to build tax-related paranoia.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:47:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

He did answer right away. Said $250,000. You listen no better than Wolfe Blitzer!


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by demondeac on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:37:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama stumbling on higher tax? (none / 0)

he didn't understand??

He can't give a straight answer, avoiding the question.


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by dk2 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:45:44 PM EST

Re: Obama stumbling on higher tax? (none / 0)

Is that right Edwards supporter? Save the wars for later.
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by lovingj on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:47:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Edward - uses 200,000 per year (none / 0)

straight answer!


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by dk2 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:46:12 PM EST

Re: Edward - uses 200,000 per year (none / 0)

Edwards said he did not know what a rich person was. Obama said 250,000 per year
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by lovingj on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:48:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Service (none / 0)

I'm partial to Dodd but I really did like his answer  to that question.


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:46:16 PM EST

Obama said the 'P' word (3.00 / 1)

I loved Obama's final framing on the Bush tax cuts.  Plus I think it's the first time a major candidate actually implied that they are either a liberal or a "progressive" since announcing they are running for office!


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:46:48 PM EST

Re: Obama said the 'P' word (none / 0)

Yeah I really like that.
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by lovingj on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:50:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama said the 'P' word (none / 0)

Too bad Wolf kept interrupting as soon as he uttered "progressive"!


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:50:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama said the 'P' word (none / 0)

Love it! We're not dirty people anymore!


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:51:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

well to be fair Obama did say 250k


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:47:12 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

college for everyone, again, edwards leads with ideas


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:47:18 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

He hits the homerun on College for Everyone!


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by Greg Roach on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:48:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dear John Edwards (none / 0)

You are in fact a rich man.  Not that there's anything wrong with that but if you'd like to know what a rich person is just look in the mirror.


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:47:43 PM EST

Re: Dear John Edwards (none / 0)

haha yeah this is true, well all of these guys are way over where the line would be
and yes that's why i like Edwards, he has good original ideas that would help the poor and middle of the road wage earners
by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:49:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dear John Edwards (none / 0)

He was stuck in a strangely specific question, I'm glad he didn't buckle.


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:52:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dear John Edwards (none / 0)

I like Edwards a lot.  Met him last summer and I was impressed.  But that line made me laugh out loud.


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:55:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Next Debate (3.00 / 2)

The next time there's a debate, we need to have a pool on how many times Richardson says "I'ma Governor!"


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:48:03 PM EST

Re: Next Debate (none / 0)

I was thinking the same thing.


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by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:48:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Next Debate (none / 0)

The fact that he managed to say that twice in two sentences just a min ago was very impressive!


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:49:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Richardson (3.00 / 1)

I haven't been paying attention. What job does Richardson have now?

/snark


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by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:48:18 PM EST

Re: Richardson (none / 0)

Great minds think alike, Richardson continues to be terrible.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:49:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

What's Richardson's job? I've forgotten.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:48:39 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

He's a GOVERNOR!

;p


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:53:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

GO DENNIS GO


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:50:23 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Dennis has great ideas :) I wish we could implement some of these we would be better off


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:52:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Reach around (3.00 / 2)

What did she just say about a reach around?


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:50:38 PM EST

Re: Reach around (none / 0)

LOL my wife just said the same thing :O)


by benjamink on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:52:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Debate is boring down now. (3.00 / 1)


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by lovingj on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:51:38 PM EST

They're doing well, but not pithy enough (3.00 / 4)

All Democrats, next time you get asked a question with the subtext "Taxes killed and ate my baby", here's your quote:

"Taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilised society."


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:52:55 PM EST

Attribution (none / 0)

Oliver Wendell Holmes, I think.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:56:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They're doing well, but not pithy enough (none / 0)

You can't say that, because then the premise becomes whether we ant to live in a civised society.


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by Josh Berthume on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:57:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They're doing well, but not pithy enough (none / 0)

Republicans as the party of barbarism? There's a narrative two and a half thousand years old saying that barbarism is a bad thing. I don't think they can fight that framing, particularly not if they keep hating on academics.


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by Englishlefty on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:00:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They're doing well, but not pithy enough (none / 0)

Hating on academics and the related anti-intellectualism message got Bush reelected against an intellectual.  I'm not sure the negative frame you name really exists in quite the way that you put it forward.  It sure as hell should -- but I think that's more a point of the Democratic paradigm than a generalized meme.


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by George Nassar on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:21:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

Edwards should have had a good one-liner right off the bat about ending the war in Iraq


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:57:19 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

in his first 100 days, i mean


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:57:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Clinton got it, damn she's good


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:57:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

ahhh, obama doubles up iraq and health care... nice, but Hillary was still first


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:58:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

dammit!! Edwards should have said what Hillary did say..get out of Iraq >.<


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:57:55 PM EST

That is assuming it they aren't out before (none / 0)

Jan 2009


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by dk2 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:58:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That is assuming it they aren't out before (none / 0)

yeah, but Iraq was the talking point to hit on that one.

Hillary never misses...


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:04:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Got all your talking point out yet Richardson? Ready to actually answer a question?


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:58:24 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

biden is so cool


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:58:44 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

dennis, dennis, dennis


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:59:27 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Wow, I've been teaching for almost 15 years and I'd get a raise with Richardson

Thank you for restoring our rights Dodd, why wait until you are President to do so?


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by Noonan on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:59:58 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

Dodd's answer wasn't bad either heh


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:00:04 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (3.00 / 1)

GREAT TO BE A DEMOCRAT


by jfoster on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:00:12 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:00:49 PM EST

Final Thoughts (none / 0)

My closing thoughts now that the debate is over.  Overall I think the top 3 showed why they are the top 3.  Both in framing and in leading.  I think Hillary did better in the second half than the first.  And the opposite was true for Obama.  Edwards, I liked his more combativeness.

I REALLY liked the format.  It was a real debate.  They could talk and challenge each other and Wolf was given broad authority for giving time.  I think Wolf did well as a MODERATOR, but could've used some better questions.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:03:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Final Thoughts (none / 0)

P.S.
I can't believe Larry King has been reduced to doing footwork.  Who's wife did HE sleep with to get busted down to grunt work?  [/snark]
by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:05:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Final Thoughts (none / 0)

No changes really.

They all held their own. I think Biden and Dodd did better this time.

Bill Schneider is comparing Obama to Reagan.

He thinks Edwards did well too.


by adamterando on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:06:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Final Thoughts (none / 0)

I disagree.  I think Gravel, Kucinich, Biden, and Richardson really fell flat.  Gravel with his "national official English" position.  Biden was a little too yelly.


by maddogg on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:10:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

well..no one really will have made an impact to change the pecking order methinks


by Torauk on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:01:16 PM EST

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

I would say Dodd and Biden up, Richardson down.

Frontrunners all did well enough, but no one candidate outshined the other two.


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:03:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

that's my feeling too, and that's a win for Hillary I guess... which kinda sucks, since most of us obviously like Obama or Edwards better. E and O both seemed a little more feisty this time around, though. I guess we'll see in the NH polls that come out this week


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by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:06:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Open Thread (none / 0)

This debate really makes me proud to be a Democrat. I'd be happy with any of the top 3 being president.


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by belili on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:06:13 PM EST

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I definitely warmed a little on Hillary, but I'm still a big Obama guy with Edwards at #2


Never separate the life you live from the words you speak. -Sen. Paul Wellstone (Minnesota)
by Max Fletcher on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:08:55 PM EST
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