Richardson Fails to Meet Goal of Topping Edwards in Fundraising

This is a post that probably would not have existed -- or at the least would have come with positive, rather than negative connotations -- had it not been for recent claims by the Richardson campaign that they would top the Edwards campaign in second quarter fundraising (per The Post June 22, "New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson [...] has told other Democrats that he expects to raise more money than Edwards this quarter"). But part of politics is playing the expectations game, and it looks like the Richardson team is going to be more hurt than helped by their whisperings. The AP's Jim Kuhnhenn has the details of Richardson's new fundraising talk.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson raised $7 million for his Democratic presidential campaign during the last three months, surpassing his first quarter fundraising, his campaign announced Friday.

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Richardson, who raised $6.2 million from January through March, had 24,270 individual contributors for the second quarter and a total of 38,000 donors for the past six months, campaign spokesman Pahl Shipley said.

Edwards was expected to fall short of the $14 million mark he set in the first quarter. The campaign's Web site on Friday recorded his current total at $8.6 million with a goal of $9 million for the quarter.

Those numbers are actually pretty solid for Richardson, and on their face he cannot be disappointed by them. But the credibility of a campaign is not something that is easily replaced when folks start to doubt it. And raising the expectation that Richardson was going to outraise Edwards this quarter and then failing to do so by more than 25 percent will likely make some, myself included, think twice before buying into the campaign's hype.

And not to pile on, but sending out a press release claiming that a candidate has attained top-tier status is not the way to go about convincing anyone, whether in the media or in the electorate. Don't tell us you're in the top tier -- show us. Sending a press release like that does not show us. Neither does raising fundraising expectations above an achievable point.

There is still some time left in the quarter and things can still shake out differently than the campaigns are telling us now. Candidates are still raising money through tomorrow night, so these early reports can change. And and in fact, we're not really going to know the fundraising tallies until the middle of next month, regardless of the tidbits of info selectively released by the campaigns well before that point. But for now, in the early stages of this round of the expectations game, the Richardson campaign isn't coming off looking too good.

Update [2007-6-29 19:55:33 by Jonathan Singer]: MSNBC's First Read has the Richardson campaign trying to downplay those previous claims (which were reported in The Post last Saturday) on Tuesday:

By the way, on the money front, the Richardson camp would like to dispute the notion that they will outraise Edwards this quarter. They will only say they are confident they'll beat the $6 million they raised in the first quarter. Fair enough.

Fair enough. I would just say, however, the pushback on that story seemed a bit late in coming, though it did come a few days before the new reports that Edwards outraised Richardson somewhat handily this quarter -- even if less so than in the previous one.



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In his defense ... (none / 0)

... this is hearsay. It could have been an Edwards supporter or staffer who heard this and went to the press with it.


by niq on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:44:54 PM EST

Well there is that little bit (3.00 / 2)

"his campaign announced" in there. That seems of a higher order than a rumor.


by okamichan13 on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:46:32 PM EST
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NO. was directly from Richardson (3.00 / 1)

just like he's beating Obama in Iowa...

richardson has gotten a pass.  can you imagine if Obama was 25% short of his goal?


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by TarHeel on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 10:53:02 PM EST
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Re: NO. was directly from Richardson (none / 0)

Though, the Richardson campaign does have a legitimate excuse.  From the Albuquerque Journal (subs. req'd)

Under federal rules, an individual can contribute up to $2,300 per candidate for the primary and caucus campaign and another $2,300 for the general election race.

Clinton, Obama and Edwards have opted to accept all $4,600 upfront from willing donors, although they can't spend half of that money unless or until they win the nomination.

Richardson has opted to take only the $2,300 limit, which would allow him to collect another $2,300 from each of his contributors if he were to score the nomination.

That said, it is still an embarrassment for Richardson to fall short of his goal to move past Edwards in fundraising numbers.


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by fbihop on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 06:40:30 PM EST
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Re: NO. was directly from Richardson (none / 0)

Not that legitimate. Obama and Clinton may be racking up general election contributions, but Edwards doesn't have enough max donations for that to make up the difference between him and Richardson.


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by Englishlefty on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 08:07:38 PM EST
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His numbers are still impressive but (3.00 / 2)

damn that debate sure wasn't. A Richardson supporter next to me at the debate was cringing.

If he could run on his resume without speaking, he might have a chance. For all of his experience he comes off as complete political neophyte.


by okamichan13 on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:45:42 PM EST

Re: His numbers are still impressive but (none / 0)

His slow-paced, methodical speaking style definitely put him in the worst position for Tavis Smiley's auctioneer-esque moderation. Kucinich's rapid fire one-liners was much better received by the audience.


by KevinH on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:49:01 PM EST
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Re: His numbers are still impressive but (none / 0)

yeah, i can't remember if it was the nation or politico, but one of the more detailed reviews i read today put him in 3rd place (behind clinton and obama) by virtue of those one-liners

eh... good luck gaining traction.


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by Max Fletcher on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:01:09 PM EST
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no one watched that debate (none / 0)

I've been working my precinct in the Des Moines suburbs, and a lot of undecided voters are very interested in Richardson. He absolutely has the potential to be in the top three in Iowa.

Later this fall, more people will be watching the debates. He will have to raise his game, no doubt. But I don't think last night's performance hurt him in Iowa.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:18:03 PM EST
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they probably (3.00 / 1)

don't know that he was the Key person in congress for getting NAFTA through.  that he forgot France was a permanent member of the security council, and that he is going to pay for Universal health care without raising taxes by using Iraq war money


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 10:55:05 PM EST
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but will others make the case against him? (none / 0)

Down the stretch, will any of the other candidates be making a case against Richardson? Probably not, the top three will be running against each other. Richardson could sneak in there and do very well, especially if he becomes a second choice where Iowa Democrats supporting the others land.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:55:53 AM EST
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Re: no one watched that debate (none / 0)

I think Richardson has the potential to do well in IA. He fits the demographics there much better than Obama.
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by robliberal on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 10:59:59 PM EST
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I've Posted This Before... (3.00 / 1)

But is interesting to note that the MSM has considered that Richardson is running for VP.  Does anyone know of an association with the Clinton's that would substantiate this perception?


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:02:45 PM EST

Re: I've Posted This Before... (none / 0)

I'm not positive I understand the question, but Richardson was Secretary at DOE for Bill, and is very much a Clintonista in style.


by KevinH on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:06:24 PM EST
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Re: I've Posted This Before... (3.00 / 1)

I was thinking of something a bit more contemporary.  The more I watch his campaign the more I wonder.  His opening salvo was in support of Hillary on the Geffen clash as reported by CNN.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:21:41 PM EST
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Was also NAFTA czar for Bill Clinton (3.00 / 1)

when in congress to work with Gingrich to get NAFTA passed.

look at his maxed out donors for Q2 - I predict a lot of the big donors will be shared with Hillary


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 10:56:32 PM EST
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In that opening salvo (none / 0)

he tipped his hand in a rather clumsy way - he attacked Obama on HRC's behalf &  said that the junior Illinois Senator should denounce David Geffen's comments - then added that he did not know Geffen & didn't know what Geffen had said.  His style was rambling and incoherent.

He went negative on Obama while saying that candidates should run positive campaigns.

I've long thought that Richardson is running to be HRC's veep.  I think the plan is to siphon votes away from HRC's competition, and then convince any delegates he brings to the convention to go with Mrs. Clinton.

In December 2002 & February 2003 Richardson was on CNN supporting the Bush administration's planned military action against Iraq.  In October 2006 he was on HardBall reinforcing the reactionary "cut & run" frame and distancing himself from anti-war Dems who he described as "extreme".  Now he's courting anti-war voters.  Is he pandering?  

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by peace voter on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:09:54 PM EST
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Re: In that opening salvo (3.00 / 1)

Yes, that is what I was told in during the summer of 04. I'd called a friend who was a member of Richardson's adm. I wanted to know if Richardson would be Kerry's vp. My friend said, "no." That Richardson would be running with Hillary in 08. Then my friend said isn't is wonderful "a woman and an Hispanic!"

So if you are thinking that Richardson is auditioning, you may be correct. The Clintons may change their collective mind. Bayh or Warner can bring in a lot of money.


by Donna Z on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:59:09 PM EST
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Identity politics (3.00 / 1)

Then my friend said isn't is wonderful "a woman and an Hispanic!"

Wouldn't it be wonderful if a truly progressive woman & a truly progressive Hispanic man were running, instead of HRC & Richardson?

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by peace voter on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:39:17 AM EST
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Only if Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Because if it's anyone else, I think we all know that the Vice-Presidency is Obama's for the asking, if he does at all well in the primary.  Even Clinton would not be so arrogant as to choose one of her inner circle over a popular runner-up.


by Drew on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:16:16 PM EST
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Re: Only if Obama is the nominee (3.00 / 1)

I wouldn't be so sure.  I don't think she wants to share the stage with someone genuinely popular or with any kind of non-institutional mandate.  Richardson is a good fit for her, potentially, but there are plenty of others.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:10:45 AM EST
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Re: Richardson Fails to Meet Goal of Topping Edwar (none / 0)

If Richardson raises more than 6 and Edwards barely crosses 9, I'm not sure if you can say Edwards outraised him "somewhat handily". Meanwhile it sure looks like Barack will make his goal of 350,000 donations, and he's already up to 255,000 people - a jump of more than 13,000 in less than two days.


by Doug Dilg on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:14:53 PM EST

Re: Richardson Fails to Meet Goal of Topping Edwar (none / 0)

I think Barack will raise well over 30M.  Hands down.


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by icebergslim on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:17:32 PM EST
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Please don't (none / 0)

jinx it.   We'll see.  I did like that the Obama camp put out the "check out the primary numbers" only memo.  Last quarter, Obama beat Hillary by $5M in primary funds.  If the breakdown this quarter is similar, Clinton only has around $21M in primary cash raised.

Those $2M fundraisers you hear about are undoubtedly lots of $4600 contributions...half of which are useless in the primary.  We'll see how the spin cycle works.


by rashomon on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:11:05 PM EST
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Not that it matters (3.00 / 1)

But outraising someone by 50% is handily under any definition.


by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:23:43 PM EST
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Edwards' Average Donation (none / 0)

Did anyone else notice something interesting about Edwards' numbers?  I believe he had around 40,000 donors in the first round and raised $14 million, with an average donation that was actually relatively high: $350 (Clinton's was 370, Obama's 246).  This time around he had 50% more donors (nearly 60,000) but substantially less money flowing in.  His current average donation is only $150.  
That's a pretty huge difference.  I wonder what this means.  Are the big donors backing off --- moving to candidates that look more viable --- while small donors remain loyal?  I'm just curious what other people think this means?
At least he'll get some positive press for maintaining his position above Richardson.
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by psericks on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 09:35:19 AM EST
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Re: Edwards' Average Donation (none / 0)

Well, 20,000 more donors means that he would not only need his small donors to remain loyal, but would need to have gained many new small donors as well.  Perhaps not surprising, considering his "Small Change for Big Change" events, which may have pulled in up to 1000+ at single events at $15 a pop.


by KevinH on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 11:00:30 AM EST
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Richardson's dishonesty (2.00 / 2)

Richardson lied and the blogs as well as the MSM bought into the BS. He also lied about his poll numbers in Iowa, and the proprietor of this blog front-paged it with the sole intention of shaming the Obama campaign. The water carriers of the Richardson campaign need to think twice before posting Richardson's fabricated numbers.


by hanna on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:18:47 PM EST

Re: Richardson's dishonesty (3.00 / 1)

This is called campaining and gasping for some MSM airtime, to keep the campaign going.  Unfortunately.


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by icebergslim on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:39:36 PM EST
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Re: Richardson's dishonesty (none / 0)

Richardson has a history of resumé padding, exaggeration and pandering. In other words: dishonesty.  He plays fast & loose with little things like facts.  Just look at his shamelful bashing of Marine Hero, Aaron Austin's mother, De'on Miller.   The inflating of projected fundraising numbers is not an isolated incident.  You might call it campaining.  
I say, gimme some truth.

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by peace voter on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:49:26 AM EST
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"gimme some truth" from Peace Voter? (none / 0)

If there is any mud that can be thrown at Richardson "peace voter" will fling it.  PV is consumed with negativity toward Richardson.  He  supported NAFTA and that is his cardinal sin in PV's book.  Get over it PV.  Our best President since WWII signed NAFTA.  

If you want a candidate that matches up with you on every single issue, run for office yourself.

Richardson, HRC, Obama & Edwards (with Gore as the wildcard) - that's your field PV.  Sorry Kucinich isn't going to win - he can't even get above 5% in Ohio in Presidential candidate polls of Democrats.


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by Stephen Cassidy on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 05:59:16 AM EST
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Mr. Cassidy (none / 0)

Thanks for yet another public sevice announcement.

As far as the Democratic field, I'm undecided, but my favorites are Obama, Edwards and Kucinich.

I'm a big fan of Cornell West, and he's nothing if not a convincing advocate for the junior senator from Illinois.

Edwards has David Bonior (and Elizabeth Edwards) on his team & those are two big points in his favor.

Kucinich is right on Iraq, trade and single-payer.  I'm glad he's in the race.

It seems like you are confusing mud for facts, and that you just can't handle the truth.

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by peace voter on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 09:01:58 AM EST
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The Mud Thrower (none / 0)

I'm confusing mud for facts?  You're all about throwing dirt at Richardson.  Anything that you can spin negative on Richardson you do.  Then you have a double standard.  You forgive Edwards for voting to authorize the Iraqi war.  Yet you continue to put down Richardson on Iraq.  It was Richardson who wanted the U.S. to get approval from the U.N. first - which Edwards (the a war hawk) rejected. And it is Richardson that has the best plan for getting the US out of Iraq and bringing peace to the region.  

No, I'm not the one confused. If you want to criticize specific positions of Richardson fine, but leave out the propaganda and ill will.


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by Stephen Cassidy on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:49:44 PM EST
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Re: Richardson's dishonesty (none / 0)

If you're going to accuse someone of lying, get your facts straight first.  Richardson's pollster is a respected pollster who ran Dean's polling in 2004.  The number showing Richardson at 13% in Iowa was backed up by a subsequent independent showing Richardson at 11%.  The bottomline is Richardson is above 10% and below 15%.  There is always going to be slight variations from poll to poll taken during the same time period.  

What's interesting with the latest fundraising is that Richardson will be 10-20% higher in money raised this quarter compared to first quarter.  If it wasn't for Ann Coulter, Richardson and Edwards may have finished even for the quarter.  Nevertheless, Richardson is gaining strength.  Edwards is slipping.  He will take in substantially less - maybe as much as 40% less - than what he raised first quarter.  


Bill Richardson: "Get out now. Get all our troops out now. It is the only right and responsible choice."
by Stephen Cassidy on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:03:07 PM EST
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Re: Richardson's dishonesty (3.00 / 1)

Richardson's campaign wasn't lying about being ahead of Barack Obama in Iowa, it was just using an extremely restrictive voter screen.  I mean, if I screen voters well enough I'm sure I could find a poll that shows Edwards is getting 100% of the vote in Iowa*.

You bring up Edwards' fundraising, but Edwards is going to meet his goal for the quarter.  Richardson's campaign said he would outraise Edwards.  So I guess if he's going to raise more than $9 Million that's true.  If he's only going to raise the $7 Million his campaign is saying now, then his campaign lied.

Edwards has nearly 100,000 donors for the first six months.  Richardson is at 38,000 if his campaign is to be trusted with numbers (a stretch at this point).  Richardson's average donation is over $100 higher than the average contribution to Edwards.  Richardson relies on lobbyist and PAC cash while Edwards rejects it.

In January, the Edwards campaign set a budget for raising $40 Million for the campaign by year's end.  At the six-month point, his campaign has raised over $22 Million for the primary which puts him over the halfway point.  Richardson has raised $12-13 Million for the primary.  COH numbers will be the thing to watch.

*(Indicates poll of Desmoinesdem and her family)


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by Vox Populi on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:31:44 PM EST
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LOL! My husband is undecided (none / 0)

So Edwards does not yet have 100 percent of desmoinesdem's family.

Personally, I like the very restrictive voter screens. Most of these pollsters are acting like 40 percent or 50 percent of Democrats are likely to participate in the caucuses, when we all know turnout will be below 20 percent. In Nevada I wouldn't be surprised if turnout is 10 percent for a Saturday morning caucus.

I've been working my precinct, and so far I've only contacted the people who caucused in 2004, plus the people who normally attend our caucus but weren't there in 2004 for oddball reasons (out of town for business, just had foot surgery, just had a baby, etc.). Most of the people who show up on caucus night will be the people who have caucused in the past.

It is possible that there are more Richardson leaners than Obama leaners right now, using this very restrictive voter screen. I don't know, but I wouldn't call it lying by the Richardson campaign.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:00:12 AM EST
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Re: Richardson's dishonesty (none / 0)

The statement Richardson would outraise Edwards was a prediction, not a statement of fact.  At the time it was made it was not a wild prediction because Edwards was under $7 million as well.  He ought to pay Ann Coulter to attack him each quarter.  It does wonders for his fundraising.

Read the poll Richardson released.  Among frequent voters in Iowa he is leading Obama.  Good polling always distinguishes among likely and less likely voters particularly at this early stage as the more likely voters are the ones that are paying the closest attention to the race.  Where they are today is often where everyone else is a few months later.  This is why I assume Obama went up on TV in Iowa.

Nationwide, Edwards is collapsing - under 10% in the latest national polls, and falling hard in New Hampshire.  That's why he's buying TV in NH - trying to reverse the trend.

The race is still wide open - despite what the HRC crowd want us to believe.  Money certainly helps get your message out but it is not the determinative factor in who wins.  HRC, Obama, Edwards and Richardson - one will be our next Democratic nominee unless Gore jumps in then it's even more scrambled.  


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by Stephen Cassidy on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:06:28 AM EST
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national media only talking about haircuts (3.00 / 1)

Iowa voters are paying attention to the candidates and what they stand for. That's why Edwards' numbers are holding up here.

He has work to do in NH, but he also has time to improve his standing there.

One problem is that every Republican talking head, along with many Democratic talking heads, are on national tv every day pushing Hillary.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 02:11:33 AM EST
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Re: Richardson Fails to Meet Goal of Topping Edwar (none / 0)

I thought the fundraising deadline was tomorrow.
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by robliberal on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:20:42 PM EST

Re: Richardson Fails to Meet Goal of Topping Edwar (3.00 / 1)

You are right!!


by bettync on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:01:00 PM EST
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Re: Richardson Fails to Meet Goal of Topping Edwar (none / 0)

TY Betty for the clue level there. Time to get the checks in. Funny how the candidates avoided that old "here comes the deadline" thing in their emails..

Hey , do you think that the new FEC restriction lift will cause outflow of money from the straight campaign funds s.t. the corporate and union donors can post their own ads with their own team? I was under the impression that the supreme court ruling lifted the ban on so called 'soft money' advertising  as long as the advertisement was focussed on a single issue and did not solicit a vote, ie. "candidate x likes medicare" but does not say, explicitly, "vote for candidate y".

do you see anything happening there? I bet that money comes in at the 11th hour


by Trey Rentz on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 02:01:41 AM EST
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Rookies (nt) (3.00 / 2)


by hwc on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:42:24 PM EST

niether Richardson nor Edwards are (3.00 / 2)

going to be the nominee but Richardson probably has cost himself a veep spot with his dismal performance in this race, consider me unimpressed.


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by nevadadem on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 08:50:52 PM EST

It is still early in this campaign! (3.00 / 1)

The media likes to act as though the primaries are tomorrow, but actually they are quite a way off! Candidates are only now opening some of their campaign headquarters. (Edwards, for example, just opened several in New Hampshire.)

It is really too early to rule out either Richardson or Edwards. And I think Edwards will be the nominee!


by bettync on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:00:08 PM EST
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Edwards will be the nominee. (3.00 / 2)


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:11:22 PM EST
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way too early (3.00 / 1)

At this point in 2003 Dean was only beginning to break out--a few months later he was inevitable, then a few months after that he was toast.

Edwards and Richardson may seem like longshots, but either one could win the nomination.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:03:36 AM EST
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Re: niether Richardson nor Edwards are (3.00 / 1)

Last night, I thought the same thing.  I actually started bemoaning the fact he might be the VP pick- he was terrible last night and I don't see him getting much better before the general election.


by reasonwarrior on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:36:26 AM EST
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The other interesting news... (none / 0)

Apparently McCain is struggling to reach $10M, according to TPM.  Funny how "expectations" work...if McCain doesn't break $10M, everyone's going to write those obits they've been dying to write.


by rashomon on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:08:18 PM EST

McCain is history (none / 0)

We lucked out on that, he did it to himself by being pro-surge in Iraq. Edwards helped by making it clear that the surge was an escalation and by being the first (if memory serves) to call that escalation "the McCain doctrine."

I'm going to have to change my tag line.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:20:17 PM EST
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Re: The other interesting news... (none / 0)

By that reasoning, you better pull out another shovel for Edwards.


by Doug Dilg on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:03:42 PM EST
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Re: The other interesting news... (none / 0)

Not really the same situation.  McCain came into this as the front-runner.  Edwards didn't.  McCain was expected to be the money leader.  Edwards wasn't.


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by Vox Populi on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:32:48 PM EST
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Re: The other interesting news... (none / 0)

He wasn't expected to be 20 million behind Obama.  I don't get it.  We're all Democrats.  When are people going to open their eyes to what is going on?  It's not so childish as my guy is better than your guy.  It's we have a rare opportunity to transform this country.


by Doug Dilg on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 11:53:49 PM EST
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Re: The other interesting news... (none / 0)

I agree that many support your sentiment

It's we have a rare opportunity to transform this country.

but don't believe that Obama will do that.  His record lately of being reticent or timid on controversial issues makes people hesitate.  I originally was equally receptive to Obama or Edwards after I realized that Clark wasn't running.  Obama's AUMF stand was in his favor, but his votes for the supplemental funding bothered me.  Eventually I really liked Edwards specific policy proposals, especially universal health care.  Since then I have become an enthusiastic Edwards supporter and very disappointed in Obama.  

People in the know do have their eyes open and don't think Obama will do anything that will transform the country.  The Iowa caucuses are still 6 months away.  Much can happen.  I think Edwards can win but it is a challenging campaign for each candidate with no one being able to really predict outcomes.


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by pioneer111 on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:29:02 PM EST
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Topping Edwards in Fundraising (3.00 / 2)

I don't think after coming out and saying you were going to surpass someone in fundraising, and then coming up a million or two short of doing so, makes you look good at all.  But then again neither do three lousy debate performances.  And to think last night was the best of the three debates for Richardson.  NEEDLES.

If Richardson has raised 7 million this quarter, in addition to his 6.2 million last quarter, that brings his total to 13 million for the primary so far.  And this is from 38,000 donors.  That's an average donation of $342.00 per donor.

Contrast that with Edwards, who if he meets the 9 million goal for the quarter, will have raised 22 million for the primary so far (and another million for the general election).  And this is from about 98,000 donors for the primary.  Which means the average Edwards contribution is $224.00 per donor.

It will be interesting to see if a lot of big-money Clinton donors who have maxed out to Hillary are giving checks to Richardson, whom many believe is Hillary's "Stalking Horse" (Vilsack was another of these, but he's not in the race).


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by Vox Populi on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 09:28:37 PM EST

I hope someone checks this (3.00 / 1)

It will be interesting to see if a lot of big-money Clinton donors who have maxed out to Hillary are giving checks to Richardson, whom many believe is Hillary's "Stalking Horse" (Vilsack was another of these, but he's not in the race).

it would be tedious but both take lobbyist money so the known lobbyists should be easily identified.


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by TarHeel on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 10:59:31 PM EST
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Re: Topping Edwards in Fundraising (none / 0)

Vilsack, and I have no inside info, seems like cabinet material to me. Education is his area. Can he deliver Iowa for Hillary?


by Donna Z on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:07:08 AM EST
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Vilsack is absolutely cabinet material (none / 0)

I've said for years that he would be great in anyone's cabinet. He is smart, he loves policy, and he is a very hard worker.

I'm very disappointed he's endorsed Hillary. I don't think he will be able to deliver the state for her, though.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:02:10 AM EST
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What makes Edwards' fundraising numbers even MORE impressive is he is the only candidate, to my knowledge, who DOES NOT ACCEPT CORPORATE DONATIONS!

Edwards is beholden only to the people.

He's making a much needed statement by limiting his donor base to human people. I say human people because the corporatist Supreme Court long ago has ruled that corporations are people.  Leaving aside how silly the notion that a corporation is a person really is, it is the root of the evil that has destroyed democracy in America.

The fastest way we could clean up our government is to pass a consitutional amendment that does what Edwards practices; i.e., says only humans are "people" for the purposes of first amendment rights.

If rocks could donate money to the Republicans, you'd see the Supreme Court rule that rocks are people.

Bravo to Edwards for representing WE THE PEOPLE!


by Elmo Buzz on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:07:54 AM EST

Re: Edwards Fundraising (none / 0)

No candidate can take corporate donations.  Corporations and labor unions are legally unable to donate to candidates.

If you mean PACs, Edwards does not accept PAC or lobbyist money.  Obama also decided to not accept federal lobbyist or PAC money, unlike in his past elections.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:14:20 AM EST
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I've asked this before, no one has given me an answer.  When you go to donate you need to check a box confirm certain legalities mandated by law.  Some candidates have added to this like Obama who also has you confirm the money is not from a PAC, you are not a lobbyist, and the money you are donating has not been given to you from another person to donate for him.  In short, what you must confirm to make a donation to him matches exactly his rhetoric.

Edwards does not.  He leaves out all three of those sentences.  I would like to know why.  Can anyone give me an  answer to this?


by Doug Dilg on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 12:30:16 AM EST
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Doug, you have asked before and you have been asnwered before.  Edwards does have that information on his contribution pages.

All contributions must be made from personal funds and may not be reimbursed or paid by any other person. John Edwards for President has chosen not to accept contributions from PACs or federal lobbyists. https://johnedwards.com/action/contribut e/ring-the-bell

I realize they are not in the location you want them to be, but they are there and you are making an issue out of a non-issue.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:32:32 AM EST
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It is an issue because it is in a place where it doesn't count.  If he stands behind it, he would require you check that while making a contribution.  It is empty rhetoric unless you are required to confirm that when making the donation.  There is a reason why the law requires you to confirm you are a citizen when making the donation in the location it does.

Vox, I believe you are sincere in your support of John Edwards.  Every campaign makes mistakes and the professional campaign people come from a pool of snakes.  When the Punjab memo came out, the Obama staff heard about it from their supporters.  John has a credibility gap problem, fairly or unfairly, I don't need to go into it.  What I don't get is why you aren't more outraged about this. Instead of writing to me, you should be writing to the staff and demand they bring it in line to what you've been promised his campaign stands for.


by Doug Dilg on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:42:09 AM EST
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I'm not outraged because it's on his page!  I couldn't give less of a shit WHERE on the page it is, I just care that it's there at all and that he doesn't cash the checks.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:47:13 AM EST
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Exactly.  If the money comes in from a lobbyist or PAC, it goes right back out the door.


by DrFrankLives on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:33:16 PM EST
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It should also be noted that Obama is new to not accepting PAC money.  For his 2004 Senate race, Obama accepted more than $1.2 Million from PACs.  Edwards has never accepted PAC money for his three federal campaigns.

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary .asp?cycle=2004&id=ILS2


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:35:11 AM EST
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How would he know if he never asks?  I could contribute $2300 from a PAC right now to Edwards and opensecrets would never know because on John's form I don't need to tell him it is from a PAC or say whether the money came from someone else for the purpose of making a donation.


by Doug Dilg on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:45:38 AM EST
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Doug, have you ever looked at campaign finance reports before?  OpenSecrets doesn't just "trust" what the campaigns say they have, they actually go through every contribution and categorize it.

I'm going to stop arguing with you at this point because you clearly can't play at this level.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:49:58 AM EST
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And you clearly haven't contributed to his campaign or you would know what I'm talking about.  When I hear you get pissed off and not engage, I'm left with the enduring thought the man is a hypocrite because he knows he can get away with it.  


by Doug Dilg on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:53:10 AM EST
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I'm gonna take a wild guess (none / 0)

and say that Vox probably has contributed to the Edwards campaign.

Look, here's his page on ActBlue, soliciting contributions for both John Edwards and Donna Edwards:

http://www.actblue.com/page/voxpopuli


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 02:22:15 AM EST
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I've got a donor card right here (none / 0)

It includes this passage:

"Contributions to John Edwards for President are subject to the prohibitions and limitations of the Federal Election Campaign Act. Contributions from corporations, labor unions, national banks, federal contractors and foreign nationals who are not admitted for permanent residence in the United States are prohibited, and the Committee does not accept contributions from PACs or federal lobbyists."


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 02:20:40 AM EST
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I'm talking about his website donation form.  Go to his site, click donation, read the contribution eligibility section.  Go to the other candidates sites, compare forms.


by Doug Dilg on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 02:23:19 AM EST
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It's okay.

While he was fussing with you over stupid BS, Obama surpassed his 350,000 Mark

ROFLMAO!

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 03:09:01 AM EST
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yeah, except you would be violating the law if you accepted money from others and gave it in your name.  But other than thaT, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

Come up with another criticism of Edwards if you want to have any effect at all.


by DrFrankLives on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:34:20 PM EST
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PARTY OVER HERE ! (none / 0)

HEY EVERYONE ! JOIN US OVER HERE WHERE THE REAL PARTY IS!

WHOOO HOOOO!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/29/2159 0/8146#77


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:41:20 AM EST

I'm a richardson fan (none / 0)

But Edwards has the edge. He's got secret weapon number Joe Trippi on board. Whatever Richardsons camp is reporting, take with a grain of salt.
Edwards has got Richardson on this one by at least, I would estimate, 16 percent or so. FEC
will show the final numbers - this is a good map for at-a-glance state numbers..

http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/mapA pp.do

I think the numbers as they stand do however, qualify Richardson as the official dark horse in the race.

Also if I could, I would add one more thing. I love myDD. I have been blogging in the sort of "myspace" type blogs for a while and frankly I miss the actual rubber-hits-the-road character of this blog.  IMHO the character is still unchanged.

Keep up the good work. I enjoy eatin' the humble pie when its my candidate who's gotta chow down. Its the truth that makes you free.   You wait and see. Imho it will be edwards and bill.  Hillary is fast becoming a footnote.

Big bad bill is sweet william now.
>:)


by Trey Rentz on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:57:13 AM EST

Re: I'm a richardson fan (none / 0)

But Edwards has the edge. He's got secret weapon number Joe Trippi on board

LOL.


by Korha on Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 10:00:33 AM EST
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