Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD

I have to write this being an African American woman these issues I have seen upfront and personal.

Katrina, I wrote a diary on DKos, about my aunt and her dog Charlie.  I still have not been back there.  I am that angry.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/5/1 6438/19244

AIDS.  Man, I still know some brothers and sisters walking around here, still here, never waivered.  This disease is hitting us.

Justice System:  Fucked up for minorities.  Obama right, need a justice system and not JUST US, ask any minority about that one.

Education:  Go to into Chicago, in the hood.  And pray your child will not get a stray bullet.  That MESSED UP.

HealthCare:  We all got HORROR STORIES.  And that movie with Denzel Washington, John Q, yes, read your insurance policy it can happen to YOU.

All of these issues, personal, stories, family members, friends, yes, I know it all.

So, my take is this:

Kucinich:  Lightning Rod.  Spoke DIRECTLY to this crowd and they responded.

Obama:  Much better, faster, quicker on his feet.  I liked him tonight, but he spoke about the steel workers.  I know what that is about, I had an Uncle who lost EVERYTHING and killed himself, long story but I KNOW what that was about.  All the mills in NW Indiana, SW Illinois, bad times.  No training, help nothing, so he addressed this.  Justice system.  JUST US, yes, I know all about it.  My husband is a professional BLACK male, graduate and former football player for U of Minnesota.  I can not tell you how many TIMES he has been PULLED over.  Driving While Black is real.  Justice, yeah, just us.

Hillary:  I stood up and clapped for my sister, yes my white sister, when she said if it was WHITE WOMEN with AIDS it would be an outcry.  DAMN RIGHT.

Dodd:  Consistant, on point, I thought one of the best tonight.  I am looking at him now, as my Richarson.

Richardson:  Good in the beginning then got fuckin' LOST.  I mean in his words, LOST.

Gravel:  Time is up, do not give him anymore invites.  But he got SNAPS about the justice system.  YOU NEED MONEY, for justice, damn right.

Edwards:  I liked all his answers, he was on point.  I like him, but I am with Obama.

Biden:  Forgettable

So, they were all good, made me proud to be a Democrat.  Can you imagine any Republicans answering these heart wrenching questions?  Can you?  The Democrats are BACK.



Display:


Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

It's an okay 'debate'.


by kostner on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 10:57:17 PM EST

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

Too bad I heard that line in a movie... She ripped it off from "And the Band played on"... Except they were refering to the inaction of Reagan and of course that it was affecting Gays... I believe Lily Tomlin said it, but I am not 100% sure.  Need to find a script of it.  

Can't believe she stole a movie line though.


by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:28:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 1)

Good diary. I read your Katrina diary just now, is your family from New Orleans?


BlueSunbelt.Com Netroots for the Sunbelt states robwire.com My personal blog
by robliberal on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 10:57:36 PM EST

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 1)

No, Alabama.  My aunt's late husband was from New Orleans.  All I remember was the "good times", before Katrina.  My sister went to LSU, my aunt was her mother during her college years.  It was rough seeing my aunt when she had to come to Chicago, it was hard, just hard.  She did not want to come here, but we almost drove down there to get her, my mom was frantic.  My dad lives in Pensacola, 70, and was ready to drive and get her, but she finally came and said what about Charlie, and we got the airlines to take him and she got a travel cage for him.  It was a mess.

She is with my mom now, they are together.  And Charlie is with them.  We have my cousin who is an attorney, civil rights, here in Chicago and we have an attorney for my aunt in LA.  My brothers and sister and my cousins, went to New Orleans and gutted her house with help from a religious group.  I can get the name later, I can not remember.  But there was NOTHING LEFT.  All she has is what she brought with her.  Yes, she is fine now, but it was hard.  My family is angry.  I can go on with this, but it just makes me sad.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:05:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

Richardson is not a credible candidate.

he hasn't gotten any scrutiny.

one day he says no new taxes. the next he talks about spending whatever it takes on schools...  he's amazingly malleable


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:23:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 1)

Richardson has lost my confidence.  TOTALLY.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:26:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

I am in Mississippi near Jackson. We have a large population of former New Orleans and Gulf Coast residents all the way north to Memphis now. A lot of professionals and businesses have relocated here as well.

Even though we have a Republican governor Mississippi has made a lot of progress with recovery. 25% of all the evacuees in Mississippi will be getting a new wooden Katrina Cottage home this year (selected by lottery) and then additional units will be constructed each year until everyone is out of the FEMA trailers.  


BlueSunbelt.Com Netroots for the Sunbelt states robwire.com My personal blog
by robliberal on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:34:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 1)

You are LUCKY.  I never liked Nagin and that Governor of Louisiana is a joke.  But all this MONEY that was allocated, went to the POCKETS of Haliburton and the likes.  This is the worse aftermath of administering that I have ever encountered.  I am at the point of, to my aunt to let it go, but she can't.  So, we are ALL going down there in September.  Again, we were lucky to get my aunt's pension, etc.  But she is slowly coming around, better, don't like the winter here, but we can't have her go back down there.  Quite frankly, it is too dangerous.  We love her, forget the house, but you know our elders, they are STUBBORN.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:40:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 1)

It is and will remain quite dangerous there and there is no immediate solution on that with the entire economy still in shambles. She is lucky she had a place to go so many didn't. There are still hundreds of thousands of people in FEMA trailers and other places with no permanent home in sight. It will take decades to recover to the point it was just before Katrina. Much of the recovery money has gone to companies like Haliburton and like Iraq there is nothing to show for the money that has been spent.


BlueSunbelt.Com Netroots for the Sunbelt states robwire.com My personal blog
by robliberal on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:50:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NPR Story On LA/MS (3.00 / 1)

NPR had a good story yesterday you might want to read on the current conditions.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/article s/viewArticle.asp?articleID=30646


BlueSunbelt.Com Netroots for the Sunbelt states robwire.com My personal blog
by robliberal on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:53:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 1)

Thank you.  You understand.  We are going back, the family, my cousins, etc.  My first trip back.  I will let you know what happens.  But, she want to go, and we have the hotel reserved, plane tickets, for her and my mom, alot of us are driving.  And we are taking care of her, she is our family, and my brothers, sister, and cousin said it was too dangerous for her to go back and try to rebuild.  Someone would literally have to move down there.  She has see for herself.  Her church is gone, everything.  She has to see.  This is sad and why it is so important to get the right person in the White House.  Anyway, my aunt has to see.  And I don't know if you saw Spike Lee's When the Levees Broke.  I have it on DVD, and my aunt still can not watch it.  So, I don't know what this will do to her, but she want to see it.  


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:06:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

Fair anaysis.

I liked both Edwards and Obama. I thought Edwards did better, but Obama was good.

I would like to see and Edwards/Obama ticket in 2008.  Together, they would remake America.


by littafi on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:07:46 PM EST

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 2)

I missed the initial convo, but Elizabeth going after Ann Coulter, but in a way where Coulter came off as a bigger bitch than normal was fantastic.  As Howard Stern said "If I had to do a Fuck Marry Kill with a pile of shit with a blond wig, a rotting corpse and Ann Coulter, I'd still Kill Ann Coulter and worry about whether to marry the pile of shit or the corpse.


by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:32:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

These were definitely questions that were more inclusive of ALL Americans. I was remembering previous debates and being pissed at the obvious set up questions that elicit canned responses. I just wonder the depth of their dedication to these issues. None of them are new, most have existed through Dem or Repug presidencies. They've gotten worse along with many other things. I can't even imagine Repugs being remotely comfortable with this audience.
by g1967 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:36:02 PM EST

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 3)

I'm an Obama supporter. A strong one at that. And I realized one thing tonight. He is very cerebral; and when he answers these debate questions, I wonder if most of the people watching understand what he's really getting at.....

His solutions are actual solutions (preventive policies etc) that are directed towards the underlying (root) cause of the question being asked: For instance when the question of Darfur (The area of Sudan currently experiencing a devastating genocide) came-up tonight, Hillary gave a point-for-point rapid-fire answer on what she would do to solve the problem - she would institute a "no fly" zone, send an occupational force (NATO) to force the peace and "shoot down" any planes that fly over Sudan (or something to that effect). Not a bad answer right? But Obama on the other hand discussed in terms of poverty and economics and explained how these in combination with US policy toward Africa, allow a situation such as Darfur to occur.  He then went on to explain (at least he tried to in 60 seconds - NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR HIS THOUGHTFUL ANSWERS) how reversing poverty and improving US - Africa relations could help prevent a Darfur from happening in the first place.  

A more succinct example was when a question was asked about HIV/AIDS in the Black community and what could be done to prevent it. Hillary (and Edwards) spoke in terms of finding a cure (I liked Hillary's quip about if white women had AIDS in the same numbers as some in the Black community, a cure would've been found already). But Obama, again connected poverty and despair with HIV/AIDS in the black community. He then spoke of how implementing educational programs and anti-poverty programs could help alleviate HIV/AIDS in the black community (long-term) - Pragmatic.

Same thing on Katrina. He didn't talk about how he would solve what's going with the aftermath of Katrina, but rather on how he would focus on solving the underlying issues that were exposed by the hurricane, so that if another Katrina hits (god forbid), it wouldn't have such a devastating impact on poor folks.

So I'm thinking to myself, is everyone getting this? Are y'all understanding what this man is saying or is everyone going to say Hillary won because of her rapid-fire point-for-point "this is what I would do" answers?  My mum who was watching with me said, "you know, it's not who's got the best (long-term) solutions, but rather who comes across as being the sharpest candidate ready to take on the job". So while Hillary impressed me with her rapid and sharp style, I was blown away with the depth of Obama's thinking and solutions.

I'd kill to see Obama, Hillary and Edwards (Richardson just seems plain dumb to me) in a free for all, no clocks, just give them a topic and let them go at it. I'd love to see the outcome.

It just seemed to me that all of Hillary's answers were crammed and prepared. I'd def vote for her in the general if she makes it there, but my heart and mind are with Obama. He's the most pragmatic, humane and naturally intelligent candidate of the bunch.


by rapcetera on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:14:36 AM EST

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

I had always liked his performances in the debates more than others but I couldn't put my finger on why.  You just hit the head on the nail.  While other candidates often talk about the symptoms, Obama talks about the disease.


by Obama08 on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:39:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

lol. you're too funny...(yawn)


by rapcetera on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:35:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

sorry "Obama08", my comment above was meant for smart-ass below....


by rapcetera on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:37:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

No. I don't like his style at all. He is more suitable for a philosophical professor instead of a president.

We need a problem solver, not another Carter.


by kostner on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:49:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

I like his stle and he has a very rich voice that reminds me of FDR when I have heard him on old movie and radio clips.

I can see now with that voice of his how he  really fire's up large crowds of people.


by BDM on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:29:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

lol. you're too funny...(yawn)


by rapcetera on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:34:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

lol. you're too funny...(yawn)


by rapcetera on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:35:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

What we need is someone who's more concerned about solving ACTUAL problems than sounding like some fool on Crossfire or Hard"soft"ball.


by dlh77489 on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 01:40:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (none / 0)

My sentiments exactly. No embarassment this time
around for our candidates. I've been consistently impressed by most of of the group.
by Cismontane on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 12:52:26 AM EST

Re: Debate Aftermath: They were GOOD (3.00 / 0)

The line I liked best from Obama tonight was perhaps the simplest, but it's the one which really resonates - when he said, remember these are our children, all of our children.  First of all it's amazing to even hear a presidential candidate talk in such humanistic and direct terms.  But what impressed me by such a simple line, was that at first blush you may think he was talking to the general country or even the majority of whites, but I think the line was crafted and directed at the people in the room.  Often when Obama talks to large crowds he talks about how Government has a role to play, but it is also the Parents' responsibility and how Blacks have to stop thinking that to be educated is to "act white".  Undoubtedly he could have reached for that line and gotten a big applause.  But instead he directed some pointed criticism to the educated movers and shakers of the African-American community sitting in that room, the people who epitomize the success you can have when you are educated, and dignified, and proud of it, and said pointedly to them: the underclass of the community, the drug addicts, the criminals, the ones in trouble, the ones with AIDS, the teenage mothers, they ones who don't read to their children and the ones who don't get read to, remember, they are our children, all of our children.   I thought it was a rare moment of true leadership, passing up the cheap soundbite, for a call for social responsibility.  This is what sets him apart from the rest.


by Doug Dilg on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 02:17:15 AM EST

debate (none / 0)

Obama is an intellectual.  This accounts for his slower-take, extended hand, and that slight pause
which is followed by a broader, more generalized approach to each issue. He wants you to see the bigger picture but, in these times, that can translate as not being able to make fast Presidential decisions.  He probably cringed inside when the response time was cut to 30 seconds.  He was better than last time, but he's never going to have prompt, concise answers ready the way Hillary does, or even Edwards, for that matter.    

Hillary sped up her answers when she was told they were going from one minute to 30 seconds.  I admired her for being able to do so - she knew what she had to cut from her answers and what she had to include, and she did it.  If she went over her time limit even once, I don't recall.  Hillary is the whiz-kid, the policy wonk, she is always prepared -- no doubt about it.  It has taken years for her to reach this level of confidence and it is really serving her well.  

John Edwards - I neither like him nor trust him. I think he wages a constant battle inside of himself.  There is good there for sure, but it seems to be doing battle with something else and it is negative, and I think it accounts for his mantel of self-righteousness.  He had a clearly-defined formula when he entered the race and it's not working for him; except in Iowa, and he's now got Hillary and Obama working all four corners of that state. If his campaign fizzles out, it's going to be hard on him because he wants so much to be Bobby Kennedy or someone that memorable - the President who changed the world. I find Edwards to be the most power-hungry of all the candidates.  And while I may be run off the blog for saying this ... I find many of his supporters to be entranced by him.  They do see him as a savior, and he takes full advantage of that.

Bill Richardson - I wanted to stuff a shoe in his mouth.  Less is more, Bill.  I saw his wife in the audience - what a lovely and elegant woman. She should teach him some manners.  

Joe Biden - he's smart, experienced and, in his own way, charming.  But there is an aggression there that doesn't serve him well.  Still, I don't know why he isn't polling better than he is. He's got the resume and he's very smart.  

Chris Dodd - You have to love the guy.  He'd probably be a great President, especially on education.  But he doesn't have whatever it takes to get elected.  Zero sex appeal?  Whoever wins the Presidency, I hope there is a fantastic appointment for Christopher Dodd.  He certainly deserves it.

DENNIS KUCINICH!!! - a helluva guy.  Everyone praises him and nobody wants to support him.  He speaks the truth on many issues.  I feel he could lead the country, but only during those rare moments when I think Utopia might actually be possible. And in those rare moments, I envision Palestinian children playing with Israeli children; former repentant terrorists dining at the WhiteHouse, on organic greens, with First Lady Elizabeth (probably barefoot) charming everyone as children, lambs and assorted birds gather around her.  She is certainly Dennis's madonna. Unfortunately, we live in a harsh world and I would worry that important unsavory things might not get tended to.  Dennis seems certain that everyone and everything can be persuaded through love and peace.  Reality check.    

Mike Gravel - What's with the chinos? Oh  yeah, can we get this guy off the stage?  How about a strip of duct-tape across his mouth? Mike should write books and trash his fellow Dems that way, instead of during televised debates. Or start his own political party and leave the Democrats alone.  


by samueldem on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 02:23:50 AM EST

Never having answers canned and ready (none / 0)

helps Obama I think. He comes across as more personable and less robotic compared to Hillary. But I could be wrong. Perhaps people really do prefer talking points to real answers.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 06:02:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: debate (none / 0)

I don't like Hillary appearing to yell.  That is a total turn off.  Just answer the questions.  But I think it is because maybe she feel that she should.  And speeding up the answers, my cousin said she did not like it, did not bother me, but just observation.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:02:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: debate (none / 0)

Love your summary.


by kostner on Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 07:25:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.