NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run?

Dean Barker has already written up a couple of posts on this over in Breaking Blue, but I think it merits attention on the front page as well. According to a new American Research Group poll of registered voters in New Hampshire, freshman Republican Senator John Sununu trails badly against a potential Democratic challenger, former Governor Jean Shaheen, whom he defeated in 2002.

If the 2008 election for US Senate were being held today between Jeanne Shaheen, the Democrat, and John Sununu, the Republican, for whom would you vote - Shaheen or Sununu? (names rotated)

CandidateALLDEMINDGOP
Sununu2912561
Shaheen57965030
Undecided143259

For reference, the last time (as best I can tell) ARG polled this race Shaheen led by a more modest 44 percent to 34 percent margin. Indeed, her margin has grown nearly threefold from 10 points to 28 points over just the course of the last three months.

Even before that first poll was released, I suggested that Sununu was putting himself in position to be this cycle's version of Rick Santorum -- a Senator whose voting record puts him way to the right of his state's increasingly Democratic-leaning electorate. To get an idea of some of these positions, check out the NH-Sen tag, where I've posted probably close to a dozen stories on Sununu's extemist tacks on issues and how they could hurt him in the polls.

Well, now that we have seen that Sununu's far right brand of conservatism has indeed hurt him in the polls, I ask again: How could Jean Shaheen possibly decide not to get into this race given all of the current dynamics?

Update [2007-6-28 12:4:18 by Jonathan Singer]: Just to add, yesterday's Suffolk University poll (.pdf) put Sununu's reelect numbers at 31 percent, with 47 percent saying it's time to elect someone else.



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I hope she gets in, but (none / 0)

those numbers seem off to me. She would probably be ahead, but not by such a large margin. NH is shifting away from the GOP, but I kind of doubt Sununu would only get a quarter of the independents and less than two-thirds of the Republicans.


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by desmoinesdem on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:54:29 AM EST

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I don't doubt it.  2002 was a strong Republican year.  Very strong.  Democrats had no advantage when it came to women voting.  

Sununu barely etched by.  Also, Shaheen is a very popular former governor.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 01:14:55 PM EST
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    I dunno, how could DeFazio pass on a Senate bid?  He was leading Smith.
     57-29.  Sununu is definitely giving Santorum a run for his money.
Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 11:56:36 AM EST

Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

Holy shit... ARG has seemed off on the Presidential numbers this year... but it would be hard to be this off. Looks like Shaheen could walk into this seat


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by Max Fletcher on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 12:25:21 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

Shaheen caused me heartburn in 2002.  I wrote an analysis of the race for one of my classes where I predicted Shaheen would win by several points based on a number of factors.  My professor wrote "Don't discount Sununu" and I received a "B".

This time her poll numbers are stronger, and Democrats are dominating New Hampshire.  This would be the perfect year if she wanted the Senate seat, we could almost put it in Colorado or Virginia (if Mark Warner runs and John Warner retires) territory of near-certain pickups.


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by Vox Populi on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 12:37:54 PM EST

Ain't No Such Thing As A Near Certain Pickup! (none / 0)

From here in Denver it sure looks like a number of Democrats could win Wayne Allard's seat, but we're a long way from election day.

What frightens me the most is the talk of an independent run -- Mike Bloomberg.

If Bloomberg AND Nader both run to the left fracturing the Democratic vote, all bets are off.

A Republican like Fred Thompson could easily win the White House with just the Hell-bent right wing-nut vote along with some right wing independents at around 40-42%.

That would play total havoc with all down ballot candidates.

I also think Hillary might also hurt down-ballot Democrats here.


by Cugel on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 08:58:02 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

I think Shaheen could win.


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by robliberal on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 12:37:55 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (3.00 / 1)

I would not state as fact that Sununu "defeated" Shaheen in 2002.  The vote was only slightly -- slightly -- more legitimate that Bush beating Gore.  Without the election days crimes, Shaheen would be cruising to re-election.  

DAMN I hope she runs.  We can bank this seat and focus on others.  Without Shaheen, we should still win, but it will be a fight.

Memo to DeFazio and Miller:  Sherrod Brown changed his mind.  You can too.  


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by hilltopper on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 12:43:25 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

DeFazio and Miller are the wrong targets.

I would recruit Kitzhaber instead of DeFazio. and Easley instead of Miller.

Shaheen recruit against Sununu is similar to a Casey vs Santorum race in PA. The incumbent Senator is the clear underdog against the Challenger.


by nkpolitics on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:35:49 PM EST
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Sununu defeated Shaheen (none / 0)

I'll state it as fact. That was a GOP year, with Bush at huge approval rating and terrorism front and center. The final weekend had a big generic push toward Republicans nationwide. That was captured in polling including Democratic internals.

The phone bank shenanigans contributed to the margin but not the bottom line.


by Gary Kilbride on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:35:09 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

Even a 10 point lead for Shaheen at this stage would be pretty enormous.
I know she said she will announce one way or another in September, and the rumblings seem to suggest she's getting in. This would be a great pick up opportunity.
by AC4508 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 01:31:55 PM EST

Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (3.00 / 1)

Funny how the same people here who attack Hillary every chance they get pump up the idea of the ultra-establishment and cautious Shaheen.  She makes HRC look like a risk-taker.

Hmmm, a state that is hungry and clamoring for populists and elected Hodes and Shea-Porter, is gonna settle for Jeanne Shaheen?

You'd think that a guy like Marchand would get better play here.  And, no, I am not a Marchand guy and haven't given him money or anything.  But I just want to make sure we don't get another Lieberman.


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by jgarcia on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 01:32:10 PM EST

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this is what I wrote the other day here vis-a-vis Shaheen:

"However, I am very doubtful everyone's lust for Jeanne Shaheen is that well-placed.  She's a terrible speaker, horrible campaigner, she's got her own milquetoast centrism, never-wanting-to-take-a-stand issues of her own.  Her 2002 campaign was DREADFUL.

No, Shaheen ain't it.  She's yesterday's news.  She had her chance and failed utterly.  Give someone else a chance.  A true-blue populist progressive can win that state in 2008."


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 01:35:59 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

  Possibly.  Everyone said that Senator Casey was a horrible campaigner (I didn't give him my primary vote).  Then he beat Santorum by 18 points, the largest victory by a Senate challenger in 25 years.  Maybe Shaheen has learned her lesson and deserves a second chance?  Maybe she doesn't.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:28:20 PM EST
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Then again, he did it against a hugely unpopular incumbent in a year when it was not good to be a Republican. Also, I'm not sure PA vs. NH isn't comparing apples to oranges.

That said, she's looking good right now, but I'd be surprised if the other challengers couldn't do nearly as well.


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by Englishlefty on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 06:59:08 PM EST
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  Sununu is hugely unpopular, and 2008 looks like it will still be a bad environment for Republicans.  Pennsylvania and New Hampshire are states that both have senators, last I checked.  I'm not sure why such comparisons aren't kosher.  I don't think there was ever a poll that showed Rick Santorum polling below 30.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 07:29:16 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (3.00 / 1)

Very good point.  A progressive friend of mine who lived in NH until 2 years ago considered Shaheed someone he could barely stomach voting for.

I'm always amazed about how much blogs such as this one and Kos spend half their time rending garments and gnashing teeth about out of touch elected Democrats who betray their party, then jump up and down with excitement about putting more of these people in Congress. (See Kerry, Bob.)


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by Go Vegetarian on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:02:15 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (3.00 / 1)

This is very true. I'll make the same point here I did a few weeks ago on Blue Hampshire when I first saw this idea being kicked around.

Shaheen was a very 'meh' governor. She is politically cautious to the extreme, her instinct always struck me as being to compromise w/Repubs to get the best she can now rather than lose now to win more down the road, and for me she definitely loses in the "barfight primary". If she ends up being the nominee I'll vote for her but that's about it, I'll put my money and volunteer efforts into Hodes re-election and the presidential candidate.


by NateP on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:14:19 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

A while back, I heard rumblings that her husband (who is also a well-known operative and was her campaign manager) had been thinking about the race.  She may be hesitating because of that or other family-related issues.  


by tjhelm on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:02:56 PM EST

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   Do we want to got to the mat for Marchand over Shaheen in the primary?  Can anyone actually explain why Shaheen isn't a progressive candidate, instead of just saying it?
   New Hampshire voters surprised everyone last year when Carole Shea-Porter made it through her congressional primary over an establishment candidate.  A Marchand victory might not be quite the uphill battle many think it is.
Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:25:33 PM EST

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I think Marchand said he'll drop out if Shaheen enters the race.


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by Englishlefty on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 07:00:05 PM EST
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  I thought I heard that Marchand said that.  It's a shame.  It could be an amicable primary.  Marchand needs more statewide exposure too.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 07:30:59 PM EST
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Re: NH-Sen: How Could She NOT Run? (none / 0)

Here is a comparison of all of the candidates, plus Shaheen, on the most important issue for NH voters: Iraq.

Short version: Swett & Shaheen supported the invasion, Buckey was against it from the beginning, Marchand wants our troops out now from a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
by Dean Barker on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 08:21:02 PM EST
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  I want a competitive primary.  I hope no one drops should Shaheen enter the race.  Swett, Buckey, Shaheen, and Marchand should have to earn the nomination.  Sununu is so vulnerable that it looks like any Democrat has a good chance.  Don't forget that we have to defeat the super-duper-ultra conservative Judd Gregg in 2010.  Whoever loses this primary looking good should have the inside track to defeat that horrible waste of space in the next election cycle.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:32:00 PM EST

Competitive Primary (none / 0)

I just made the case for that a couple days ago.

The big issue is that we have a late primary (9/08), so the presumption is that there's too little time to gear up and raise $ for the general, and too much time for the challengers to torpedo each other.

I don't agree with the wisdom of clearing the field for a big name regardless of issues, but there is something to be said for the basic calendrical reality of our senate primary.

If Shaheen enters, I would love for her to be strong because the voters want her, not because she's been anointed and the field cleared.

I support Marchand, but any of our candidates, and yes, that includes Katrina Swett, would be an improvement over Sununu.


Wonder if Sununu's fired now.
by Dean Barker on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 08:17:01 PM EST
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Draft movement? (none / 0)

Is there any type of draft movement afoot?


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by jkfp2004 on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 02:55:37 PM EST

Re: Draft movement? (none / 0)

Yes. They unveiled it on Blue Hampshire the other day.

http://www.bluehampshire.com/showDiary.d o?diaryId=1271


by NateP on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:05:19 PM EST
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Ugg (3.00 / 1)

Why? Why? Why? She is exactly the spineless DLC type that the netroots has railed against. It's time for a new grassroots progressive like Steve Marchand. Shaheen can run against Gregg in 2010. That will be harder. But then again Shaheen won't be able to run Hillary's campaign. Which is a plus for Obama ;)
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by Populista on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 03:24:02 PM EST

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You have to at least mention the another grassroots guy who's just getting started, and with well over a year to go before the primary there's a lot of campaigning yet to go.

Jay Buckey has a resume and life experience that compares well to pretty much anyone, and his campaign is being run by a group straight out of DFA and the 06 grassroots campaigns that were so successful.


by GavinBrown on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 04:15:38 PM EST

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How about a link to his resume or an article or something? Is he a serious candidate?


by RandomNonviolence on Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 05:50:02 PM EST
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