VA-Sen: John Warner on His Way Out?

You may remember that John Warner, the ranking Republican Senator on the armed services panel who is up for reelection in Virginia this cycle, raised a paltry $500 during the first quarter. As I wrote at the time, "To accomplish such a feat, one almost need ask supporters not to make contributions -- an almost definite sign of an intention to retire." Well, reading those tea leaves, among others, Seth McLaughlin of The Washington Times (consider the source...), seems to come to the same conclusion and pens the following article under the headline "Mum Warner likely to move on."

Virginia Sen. John W. Warner has said little about whether he will run for re-election, but the 80-year-old Republican is giving clear indications that he will not return for another term and that his coyness is merely an attempt to help Rep. Thomas M. Davis III, a fellow Republican, replace him.

"There has been considerable discussion about the possibility that [Mr. Warner] might delay an announcement of candidacy, then announce he wasn't going to run, to allow Congressman Tom Davis to build up at the beginning of the campaigns, which would give Davis an advantage," said Morton C. Blackwell, chairman of the Virginia's Republican National Committee and leader of the conservative Leadership Institute.

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Speculation about Mr. Warner retiring increased this spring after filings with the Federal Elections Commission showed he had raised only $500 during the first quarter of the year.

Another indication was the resignation last year of Susan Magill, who was Mr. Warner's chief of staff for 18 years.

Again, take a moment to think about the source, The Washington Times. Okay. That caveat stated, here's another data point to consider with a similar number of grains of salt: Word around town in Washington is that Rep. Tom Davis, the Republican who represents the northern portion of Virginia and is seen by many as a political heir to Sen. Warner, has been telling supporters that the four-term Senator will not run again. Take that for what it's worth.

It still seems to me, judging more from Warner's first quarter fundraising numbers than from these subsequent reports and rumors, that Warner will not run for reelection next year. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, his seat will automatically become one of the most closely contested this cycle. A retirement by Warner would lead to serious pressure being placed upon the previous Democratic Governor, Mark Warner, to enter the race -- a race that he could almost undoubtedly win (though I wouldn't handicap the race by putting odds either way at this point). I certainly don't have a pulse on the Democratic Warner's decision-making process, but suffice it to say that many on this side of the aisle (myself included) would love to see him run regardless of whether the Republican Warner runs or not.



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Re: VA-Sen: John Warner on His Way Out? (none / 0)

Word is that Chuck Schumer has been all over Mark Warner. I'd say there's about a 60% chance he runs.

Also, if Tom Davis runs, that's an easy pick-up for the Dems in the House.


by zt155 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:07:09 PM EST

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One wonders if Jerome has a better pulse on Mark Warner's decision making process and if he'd like to share any insights with us.


by Quinton on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:21:37 PM EST

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I don't think he'll make a decision on it prior to the '07 elections. If the Dems take back the Senate in VA, he probably would be more open to running for the US Senate; if the Dems don't take back the Senate in the leg, I bet he either gets a Veep spot or runs for Gov.

No Dem, least of all Warner, wants to have a Republican trifecta in place during the next redistricting. Plus, Allen might be running for Gov in '09. I've not talked to him about this, just going off what I think is factoring into the decision.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 03:32:57 PM EST
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If Warner's running for VP or senator, who's in the picture to take on Allen or whoever for the Governorship? And would they also have a shot at the Senate?


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by Englishlefty on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 07:07:58 PM EST
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This is big.  Mark Warner running would be huge.  And the senate races may just prove to be just as important as the pres contest.  If Virginia is added into the win column somehow (and Mark Warner would make that seem pretty likely), the Democrats could be looking at 60something members for the first time in how long?  And back when the senate did have more Ds, the Ds were dixiecrat conservatives

This could usher in the most progressive senate in US history.  And look how good that would be for the Supreme Court nominees:  no rightwing filibuster!!!


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:26:02 PM EST

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M Warner would beat Davis easily, he'll do well in the rural regions and in dem dominated areas, Davis might do a little better than Allen in someof the wealthiest NOVA suburbs but it won't be nearly enough.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:28:43 PM EST
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oh yeah!  exactly.  so i guess the REAL issue is if Mark W can be persuaded to run.  I'd be gleeful if he did.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:44:04 PM EST
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The last time Democrats had 60 members was in 1976; the last time Republicans had 60 members in the Senate was 1920.  And if you like to dream, Democrats picked up 16 Senate seats in 1958 when the delegations for Alaska and Hawaii were added. IIRC we got 3 of those 4 seats plus a pick up of 13 existing seats.

The election of 1976 and its aftermath was the greatest missed opportunity Democrats have had in the last 100 years.  We had 61 Senate seats, 292 House seats, and a Democratic President.  It was the only time in the 100 year period when Democrats had at least 270 House members, 60% of Senators, and a Democratic President and failed to make significant progress.  The other years were between the elections of 1932 and 1938 and following the 1964 election.


by David Kowalski on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 10:06:07 AM EST
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how many of those in 1976 were southern conservatives?  Especially committee chairmen?

I'd venture to say that, now, if we get 60, it'll be the single most progressive senate in over one hundred years.  Do you agree?

btw, thanks for the info.  love it.  appreciate it, man. :)


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 11:03:19 AM EST
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If (none / 0)

Warner retires, Warner will run.

If Warner runs Davis or any right-wing crazy who beats him in the primary will get crushed. Virgina loves Warner, he nearly beat popular John Warner as a unknown, since then he's been a HUGELY popular governor, a canidate for president for a time and has stumped around the country and raised HUGE sums of money, if he got in he could raise huge money and win by double digits, without help from the DSCC.

Run Mark Run! Retire John!


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by Populista on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 10:01:28 PM EST

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So why doesn't Mark make it easy and declare now, and force John into retirement?


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by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:03:12 PM EST
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The Washington Times, while often unreliable might be the single best source for the internal politics of the Republican Party.


by js noble on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:02:09 PM EST

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I just hope Warner isnt holding out to retake the govenorship in '09, because if he does jump into this race I do think he will win.


by AC4508 on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 12:13:31 AM EST

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I've had a theory on how to play Virginia, tell me what you guys think

Assuming John Warner retires it is an open seat in 2008. As of current there are 3 well known Democrats in the state: Webb, M. Warner, and Kaine. Webb already has one of the senate seats and no democrat can seek consecutive re-elections to the governorship in Virginia, meaning Kaine can not run again in 2009 and has no apparent heir.

Whereas, Mark Warner is more popular than Tim Kaine (who is popular as it is) I propose Tim Kaine runs for Senate in 2008, wins, lets the Rpeublican Lt. Governor get to be governor for 1 year. The republican who is currently A.G., as I understand, is the one that really wants to be governor, let them fight for most of 2009. Meanwhile, Mark Warner runs for governor again in 2009 with his personal picks for Lt. Gov and A.G. and thus gets a full bench of the democrats he picked to become the future leaders for Virginia and set the tone for the state for years to come.

That's my idea at least. Maybe too political and may tick off the locals, but if it works, it would create a solid longterm democratic majority for Virginia.


by Trowaman on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 02:16:55 AM EST

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I think that would be risky business especially for Kaine. What, he can't even serve out his one single term as governor before running for something else? I could see that certainly ticking off the locals. Are there no other popular democrats or budding leaders in the state other than Warner, Webb and Kaine? I think we may have to just hope and push Warner to run for senate and hope for the best after Gov. Kaine's term is over.


by Quinton on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 03:29:38 AM EST
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yeaaaah... i don't know about that. (none / 0)

Job hopping gets pretty old.

We finally gave ol' Cruz Bustamente (our pathetic recall candidate) the boot in California after he ran a campaign that basically seemed to be about how he lost weight (?!?) for insurance commisioner.

not comparing Tim Kaine to Cruz or anything, but the job hopping thing.

It is nice when somebody sticks to a job.

-C.


by neutron on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 04:06:59 AM EST
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hey, politics is risky business.

and yeah, there's a good chance my idea could fail, but IF it worked, the spoils would be very VERY handsome for years to come.

Winning the 2009 governor's race is crucial so Dems can have a say in VA redistricting. VA is currently 3 Ds - 8 Rs.


by Trowaman on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 04:20:58 AM EST
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I like the way you think!!!

A Democratic activist friend of mine from Virginia says he spoke with Davis who told him that he would not be running for reelection in '08. Warner was retiring and he was going to run for the Senate.

These were the words that came from the lips of Tom Davis.


by notime4lies on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 11:00:02 AM EST
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It's getting annoying (none / 0)

that so many Dems are making a pass in 2008. What are they waitinmg for???


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 07:39:20 AM EST

You have to understand (3.00 / 1)

You have to understand that those involved in politics don't wear quite as rosy glasses as many people on the blogosphere. Its easy for posters here and other places to say with a straight face things like "Kentucky will be a competitive race", "We have a strong chance in Idaho", and "Mark Warner will easily beat Tom Davis", but that's just not a representation of reality, its a representation of wishful thinking. For Peter DeFazio, a Senate run would be 1) very expensive, and 2) very tough. Why risk a House seat for that? For Ron Sparks, a divisive primary and a failing longshot bid at Sessions' seat would dampen his chances for Governor or LG in 2010. Why jeopardize the rest of your career when you have little chance of winning?

Its easy for us to sit back and make calculations with people's lives, but its a pretty big decision to invest yourself to such a race and carry through with it. Dave Freudenthal and Mike Easley, among others, refuse to move their families to Washington and serve in a partisan Congress. Its tough to understand that when controlling Congress is your biggest priority, but for a lot of people, including elected Democratic officials, that's not their biggest priority.


by TheVirginian on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 09:03:31 AM EST
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I can tell you from VERY close to the source that Easley will almost certainly never run for federal/national office.  He absolutely hates campaigning, especially the ass-kissing BBQ circuit.  Which is a damned shame, given that he is possibly the most gifted retail politician (gives a fantastic stump speech) I have heard live - and that includes Bill Clinton.

Easley is a very private, family-oriented person.  Part of that likely owes to the death threats from drug lords he received as a prosecutor.

Funny story - my Dad (who is Catholic) went to Easley's church in Southport.  He was Eucharistic Minister one Sunday, and Easley was in line.  Dad says "Body of Christ, Governor."  Easley's eyes almost popped out of his head - it's like he couldn't believe somebody recognized the most powerful man in the State!

Mike is a solid, top-notch guy and his wife is wonderful and down to earth as well.  I don't know a soul with a bad impression of either of them personally.

Ask many of the same people about John Edwards personally, and they'll quickly tell you how much they like Elizabeth.


by NC State Dem on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 09:28:12 AM EST

Re: VA-Sen: John Warner on His Way Out? (none / 0)

Seth McLaughlin wrote several favorable stories about Sen. Jim Webb last year, as I recall.


by notime4lies on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 10:54:50 AM EST

Re: VA-Sen: John Warner on His Way Out? (none / 0)

Is there no one else in VA who can run if Warner declines?  Any Reps in safe districts?


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 10:59:40 AM EST


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