The Horse Race and the Youth Narrative

When I think about the youth vote narrative this year, and what 2008 means for young voter engagement, I have to confess that I am of a split mind.  It's not turnout that I'm worried about, it's how the campaigns are organizing young voters and what the outcome of the primaries will mean for how the media narrative will play out.

That might seem like a shallow concern at first, but you might remember that in 2004, despite a record increase in turnout and an overwhelming preference for Kerry over Bush, every single major media outlet in the country reported that "the youth vote didn't turn out."  By the time this narrative was corrected, it was too late.  The story was already out, the meme established.  At MFA, when we approached reporters and pitched them the real story about youth turnout, their response was "sorry, we've already told our youth vote story."

That had implications on funding, implications as to how seriously politicians, staffers, and consultants regarded young people as voters/constituents, and most of all it had an effect on how many young voters themselves regarded their generation.  Sometimes young voters themselves are the hardest people to convince that their generation is not apathetic and disengaged, and these stories gave millions of young voters the idea that - despite all our efforts - young people were worthless in politics.

Earlier today, Chris posted his latest update on the 2008 horse race, declaring that, barring a loss in Iowa, the nomination appears to be Hillary's to lose.  Frankly, I worry about what that means for young voters.

This is a dicey topic, and I have no desire to see this devolve into a salad fight among the various supporters of Obama, Edwards or Hillary.  Maybe that's too much to ask, but I'm going to proceed with this diary anyway as I think it is worth thinking about and discussing.  

Right now, the youth vote is with Obama.  He's riding the youth wave, and that manifests itself in a number of ways: in his message about a generational change, in the tremendous grassroots activism that young voters are organizing on his behalf, in poll numbers that show him doing well among young people (particularly college educated youth and young men; among activists and non activists), and most importantly to this discussion, how the media talks about his campaign.  At this point in the cycle, a positive youth vote narrative goes hand in hand with a successful run by Obama.  

The only problem is, as Chris's polling shows, there is no clear path for Obama to capture the nomination at this point.  So what happens if Obama doesn't get the nomination?  Will that generate another negative youth vote narrative in the media?  Have we made enough progress among the political class to avoid blowback in terms of the attention that campaigns pay to our generation?  I'm not sure.  

Then of course we need to reckon with the candidate who does get the nomination.  Edwards has a shot at the nomination with his lead in Iowa (and I will confess that I am an Edwards supporter - though I do feel conflicted, considering all I've laid out above), and between One Corps, Young Americans For Edwards, and his message of "being the change we want to see," I think he has a solid infrastructure in place to incorporate Obama followers into his campaign.  But at the same time, young people just don't like Edwards.  The last polls for which I saw a youth breakout had Edwards clocking in around 9% - well below Obama and, yes, Clinton.

So what about Hillary?  Well polls show that she has some numbers behind her - particularly among women and non-college youth.  Yet no substantial grassroots efforts seems to be materializing in support of her campaign.  There is no visible youth component to her official campaign, and I've heard some folks in the "HillaryRoots" complain that the campaign is distant.  Is her support among young voters real, or is it just name recognition early in the cycle?  If she did win the nomination, would young people really have a substantial place at the table?  Would that place be substantial enough that by November 2008 we could overcome any negative youth narrative that an Obama loss would surely cause in the media?

I don't know, but I'm worried about the youth vote getting burned again.  People are going to vote the way they will vote, and I hope I'm wrong about Hillary and Edwards.  I don't really have anywhere to go with this.  This post isn't an argument for Obama based purely on a desire for a good youth vote narrative.  People should vote for the candidate they think will really change our country or enact the most progressive policies.  This has been going through my head a lot lately, and I think it's worth thinking about.  Maybe this post will shake the Hillary folks into embracing young voters more.  Or maybe reporters will read this post and think twice when they write their stories next winter/spring.  Maybe some other great idea will emerge out of the discussion here.  Or maybe I've just provided flame-bait for all the partisans to latch onto.  I hope it's not the latter.  



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Re: The Horse Race and the Youth Narrative (none / 0)

I agree that Obama has a stong youth vote... and I don't think they are showing in the polls.  Becuase this year, as in other high-stake years, voter turnout will be way up.

I also disagree with Chris that Obama doesn't have a path to the nomination.  I think endorsements Edwards/Kennedy/Gore/Fiengold/Powell could mean a whole lot.  And, Obama is trending up in N.H. with a lead in S.C.


"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama
by gb1437a on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:13:56 AM EST

It's a Long Way to Tipperary (none / 0)

Regarding there is no clear path for Obama to capture the nomination at this point.  Senator Obama's path has always required the careful building of a novel constituency large enough to enable his nomination and he has been working hard and well to do exactly that.  The evidence is clear, the question is only will it succeed.

I expect his campaign to come to maturity in about six months, just in time for the primaries.  While you, and Chris, are correct in your assessment it ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.  In the meantime this particular frame is just another obstacle to the aspirations of those he is mobilising.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:17:39 AM EST

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I was actually thinking about this same subject today. As a college student, it's incredible to see young people taking a stake in their democracy. An Obama student organization with a leadership team and about 100 volunteers was organized before school let out in May (and I got to a school with about 5k students). Obama has been able to energize college students on campuses across the country with his message of fundamental change. A lot of the Obama supporters I know are not vested in Barack Obama himself as much as they enjoy the idea of Barack Obama. I would say that most are completely turned off by extremely partisan politics that leads to gridlock. In fact, Obama supporters at my college tend to be the type of people who if given a choice between Clinton, Bloomberg and a Republican would almost definitely choose Bloomberg. Even worse, these young voters would most likely stay home if given a choice between Clinton and any of the republican candidates. I worry that an Obama primary loss could actually shape my generation by taking away our hope of a 'post-political' era in politics. My hope is that young voters energized by Obama's candidacy will see beyond this election and realize that movements require sacrifice and time. Despite the fact that Obama may not win the democratic nomination for president, I hope that the fire he's sparked in young voters will lead to a generation truly vested in their political system so that the ideas promoted by the Obama campaign last beyond the life of the campaign.


Obama2008....?
by ctnewbie18 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:23:19 AM EST

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...also I think pollster.com's discussion of cell phone only voters is extremely relevant when it comes to determining candidate support. None of my friends (me included) have landlines and there's no way that they could be reached by a pollster that doesn't call cell phones. I think this factor my slightly underestimate Obama's support in most polls.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/pews_keete r_how_serious_the_ce.php#comments


Obama2008....?
by ctnewbie18 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:28:55 AM EST
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Re: The Horse Race and the Youth Narrative (3.00 / 1)

In the 2004 primary campaign, we heard a lot of speculation that the under 30 crowd who went for Dean in large numbers would stay home and sulk on election day if Kerry won the nomination. The actual result? General election turnout in the 18-29 age group went from 36% in 2000 to 46% in 2004 -- that's as a percentage of the eligible citizen population, both numbers would be a little lower if you used the raw VAP. Turnout was up a across the board in 2004 but that was by far the most dramatic increase.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p20- 542.pdf
http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20- 556.pdf

We also heard lots of talk in 2004 in both the primary and general election seasons that the polls were all skewed because of the vast numbers of people reachable only by mobile phones who supported Dean in the primaries or Kerry in the general election. But the polls, in aggregate, turned out to be pretty much dead nuts on in terms of predicting actual election results. I'm not saying nothing ever changes, but so far there's no body of evidence to suggest that people who don't have wired phones behave fundamentally differently than those who do when it comes to voting.


by CalD on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 02:09:57 AM EST
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Re: The Horse Race and the Youth Narrative (none / 0)

Not all people without landlines are necessarily young. A good number of people in their mid 30's and even 40's don't have landlines nowdays. As well as cell phones they also VOIP systems such as skype and vonage. A good number of people have had unlisted landlines for years and years now. A good number of older people have had unlisted numbers for many years. I'd also add that not everyone without a landline is a Obama supporter. I don't have a landline a number of my friends don't have landlines and they, like I, am for Edwards.


by Quinton on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 04:40:53 AM EST
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Sory if I wasn't clear earlier. I didn't mean to say that anyone without a landline is young or that they are all Obama supporters. I was just saying that I think that virtually all college students survive with mobile service only and I think it's clear that the majority of them support Obama.


Obama2008....?
by ctnewbie18 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 08:09:00 AM EST
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Inevitability is bad for Democracy (none / 0)

Nothing breeds "why bother" more than the sense that the winner has already been picked and there's nothing you can do.
So, every chance I get I'll be spinning "anybody's race" and expressing myself and what I want and pushing people to do the same and try and get what they want.
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If it's Hillary's race to lose, then what are the chances she'll throw a big gaffe and lose it? Any guess is as good as any other, and I feel like guessing the odds are she'll lose it. If nothing else it keeps things interesting for the rest of us.
Start Running Better Polls
by bolson on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 02:20:03 AM EST

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I feel that this is an important point...but perhaps more important is the fact that we are 6-7 months away from the primaries and although it is interesting to look at polling data this far out it is absurd to put too much stock into it. There are a number of ways things could shake out on both sides of this race and there is NO way to determine what IS going to happen when there are so many variables in play.

I guess that is my problem with the way in which Chris is looking at the polls right now. It is certainly interesting and somewhat relevant but at the same time it seems to be getting it into peoples heads here that the race has already been decided.

(Note: I am unashamed to admit that I am against nominating Hillary Clinton and think it would be terrible for the Democratic party, that being said I think it is even more terrible for the party that so many people are just assuming she is going to win... and I am worried about turnout if this trend continues.)


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 03:04:05 AM EST
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Re: The Horse Race and the Youth Narrative (none / 0)

As a Hillary supporter, I agree that she does need to something more for the youth target audience.  She has embraced the internet, that has done well but it does seem like something special for them is needed.  Appearance might be part of that.  Obama comes across as a big brother, Hillary as a mom, and Edwards as a distant uncle.  When she gets the nomination, I expect she will address the youth aspect more- Obama seems to have it pretty sewn up there- but once she is the nominee, she can target them more.  I don't think they will turn away- the election is bigger than just Hillary- the direction of our country is at stake- I think they will respond to the democratic nominee.


by reasonwarrior on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 06:10:26 AM EST

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Dream On!


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 07:08:40 AM EST
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I'm sorry, but I can't support Obama. He is getting money from the Rangers and Pioneers who gave us Bush in 2000 and 2004.


"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
by liberal2012 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:01:48 AM EST

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"This post isn't an argument for Obama based purely on a desire for a good youth vote narrative.  People should vote for the candidate they think will really change our country or enact the most progressive policies."

That disclaimer sounds kind of half hearted to me. Ultimately, I think you ARE making an argument for basing one's political decisions on a kind of metalevel analysis. And I would agree.

While some vote on the basis of electability, the concept of electability takes a static picture of what is actually a dynamically evolving field. What's interesting here is that, in contrast, the argument for Obama as a catalyst for the youth vote seems to be approaching electability in much more dynamic and sophisticated terms.

I have a theory for why youth dislike Edwards so much. My sense is that youth are much more likely to be exposed to friends who have different political persuasions, i.e. youth who might lean progressive are talking to youth who lean conservative (more often than their older counterparts). You might chalk this up as the freshman dorm phenomenon. (Myself, I don't think I've ever had more discussions with people who I disagree w/ ideologically than during my first two years of college--and I was really apathetic then). Anyway, even if the freshman dorm theory doesn't apply to every young person, it still means that the opposing side's media frames are on young people's radar in general: i.e. young people are more likely to understand meta-level arguments that go beyond electability and point to more complicated notions of framing and narrative. Put simply, young progressive voters are more aware of the kinds of narratives on Fox and right wing radio. Partly due to the corruption fall out, conservatives right now love (absolutely LOVE) when liberals come off looking like self righteous hypocrites b/c that's one of the master narratives that the right clings to in order to dismiss the re-emergence of progressive populism (read: Edward's haircut, and Gore's personal energy consumption). Articles about progressive hypocrisy are all over the conservative blogosphere. So far, though, Obama seems least touched. The reason may be that he seems to have so many other things going against him (his name, the fact that people think he's a Muslim, his race, etc) that the right wing media machine may feel it's unnecessary to advance a hypocrisy narrative about him at this time.

So perhaps young voters know something that the older voters still don't get. Edwards is already dead in the water b/c of this hypocrisy meme, whereas Obama seems relatively impervious to it--ironically the main reason that he's impervious to the hypocrisy frame may be that his name is so obviously a negative that he comes off as someone who doesn't hide his own faults.


by joshms on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:24:44 AM EST

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Good comments. Obama's openness about his drug/partying past is the kind of honest disclosure that is refreshing to young voters. There are some other intangibles, as well, that explain his appeal to younger voters.

Also, relating to the kind of dorm pluralism you mentioned, young lefties and libertarians tend to get along well despite differences of opinion regarding economic policy and the ideal role of government (e.g., consider the liberaltarianism theme throughout the blogosphere following the last election) As a result, many young democrats and liberals have a more libertarian sensibility than more traditional democrats. I would suggest that these liberaltarians (for lack of a better word) see Edwards as a more paradigmatic government-loving utopian than Obama. To be sure, Obama actually includes a lot of personal responsibility rhetoric in his speeches, which again jives well with liberaltarian types.


by DPW on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:52:37 PM EST
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