HillaryIs44.org: Should HRC disown this attack site?

Senator Barack Obama (D-Rezko) must be a very unhappy and miserable man today. As Fathers Day weekend was approaching he decided to unload buckets of his Chicago mud politics on Hillary.

This is from a new website called www.Hillaryis44.org.  

A primary focus of the www.Hillaryis44.org is to go negative on HRC's opponents, presently Obama, by collecting and reprinting dirt on them.  When one clicks on the "contribution" tab you are taken to the contributions page on HRC's main campaign website.  At the same time, the site disowns any connection to HRC's campaign. Is this true?

The goal of negative campaigning (which I define as sharp personal attacks on your opponent) is to undermine support and demoralize the base of your opponent.  

While promoting HRC, an equal focus of the site is throwing mud at Obama.  He is mocked Obama as "The Senator From Rezko."  One entry makes fun of an upcoming Obama related-concert that is not sold out.  Another recent entry against Obama (on Father's Day, ) entitled "Unhappy Fathers Day," states:

Senator Barack Obama (D-Rezko) must be a very unhappy and miserable man today. As Fathers Day weekend was approaching he decided to unload buckets of his Chicago mud politics on Hillary. As with most things the clumsy and lurching Obama campaign attempts, the mud bucket missed its intended target. Instead the mud buckets disgorged at the point of origin. Workers at Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters must now wear hip-high swamp boots to navigate their way from floating desk to floating desk, all in danger of being carried away by the mud.

For the present, it appears John Edwards is not being attacked, but I'm sure that will change with time.  Instead, the site tries to curry favor with Edwards' supporters by blaming Obama's campaign for leaking to the press the $400 haircut story (while, of course, reminding everyone of the story).  There is nothing negative that I see on Bill Richardson or the other candidates.

Is there any connection between www.Hillaryis44.org and HRC's campaign? UCLA Professor Stephen Brainbridge writes:

If you run a Whois search on Hillaryis44.com, you discover that the site was registered by DomainsByProxy.com, which proudly boasts that: "We protect your identity and only reveal it in special situations."

So whoever is running the site apparently doesn't want their identity known. Why?

Interestingly, one of the "special situations" in which DomainsByProxy.com will reveal the true site owner's identity is where the owner uses the site to "defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, or harass third parties." Scanning HillaryIS44.com, I'd say Noonan is right that the blogger is obsessed Obama. Indeed, the very purpose of the site would seem to be to "abuse" Obama, "embarrass" Obama, and "harm" Obama's presidential chances.

Louis Brandeis famously observed that sunlight is the best disinfectant and electric light the best policeman. Disclosure and transparency ought to be the rule in politics. If Hillary's campaign is behind this website, they shouldn't be able to hide behind a proxy registrant.

Update: To be sure, the website states: "We are not affiliated with the Hillary For President Exploratory Committee, or any official Hillary Clinton organization in any way." Maybe so. Maybe not. Unless there is disclosure, however, we can't know. The anonymity of the site raises a legitimate inference that there is some connection to the campaign.

As I noted, on www.Hillaryis44.org there is a denial of any nexus with campaign.  Yet, in web terms a link exists.  If you click on the contributions link on www.Hillaryis44.org, you are sent to HRC's campaign website. This may be a specifically designated campaign contributions page to track donations from www.Hillaryis44.org as the URL varies slightly from the main contributions page on HRC's website.

Also relevent, the site is content rich and updated regularly.  It does not appear the work of one person, but a team.  I doubt these people are working for free.  Someone or organization is paying for the operation of the site.

Earlier this year, Clinton's campaign called on Obama to disown highly personal and critical comments by Obama supporter David Geffen made against HRC. See http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/ 02/21/clinton-obama-hollywood-brawl/ Howard Wolfson, one of Mrs. Clinton's top advisers, stated:

While Senator Obama was denouncing slash and burn politics yesterday, his campaign's finance chair was viciously and personally attacking Senator Clinton and her husband. If Senator Obama is indeed sincere about his repeated claims to change the tone of our politics, he should immediately denounce these remarks, remove Mr. Geffen from his campaign and return his money. While Democrats should engage in a vigorous debate on the issues, there is no place in our party or our politics for the kind of personal insults made by Senator Obama's principal fundraiser.

What is your view of www.Hillaryis44.org?  Should HRC disown the attack content on the site?  I believe she should.


Poll
I view www.HillaryIs44.org as
part of HRC's campaign and an acceptable tool to convey HRC's message to voters.
a form of negative campaigning that HRC'c campaign has played a role in creating.
I am uncertain whether HRC's campaign is connected to the site but she should call on its operators to remove the attack content on other candidates.
not linked to HRC's campaign in any manner and she has no responsibility to take any action in response to it.
I am uncertain if there is any link to HRC's campaign, but the site a legitimate part of a campaign
actually produced by another campaign to make HRC look bad

Votes: 22
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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No (none / 0)

No, period. It's not her website.


by maoasada on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 04:37:17 PM EST

you beat me to this (none / 0)


i too read Peggy Noonan's article and referenced the website.

i logged in to diary about it. i think the clinton campaign is behind it. it's pretty clear; it's extremely stuffed in a way that only a professional campaign can stuff.

this might be Warrior Rooom II located on the web. you know what the clintons are good at trashing anyone who comes against them. i worry for obama who seems to be their obsession. there's something very tragic about the clinton campaign strategy and i worry about all those hanging around them in opposition.


by pmb on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 04:45:59 PM EST

Re: HillaryIs44.org: Should HRC disown this attac (none / 0)

You had me until you began quoting Stephen Brainbridge.

"If Hillary's campaign is behind this website, they shouldn't be able to hide behind a proxy registrant."

and

"The anonymity of the site raises a legitimate inference that there is some connection to the campaign."

My response now is: bullshit and bullshit!

But in the interests of being cool I think Hillary should disavow, not disown the site. To disown it would require that she owned it to begin with. And I am certain that despite your attempts to paint it as such, she doesn't. It wouldn't surprise me if the neocons were behind this.


by DoIT on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 04:54:22 PM EST

Clinton should very publicly condemn HillaryIs44 (none / 0)

and Clinton should return all donations collected through HillaryIs44

and Clinton should disable users from accessing her Web site via HillaryIs44.


by horizonr on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 05:14:30 PM EST

More whining (none / 0)

Yawn...

I dont care if it is her site or not. Unless someone is flat out lying or horribly misleading the public im perfectly fine with negative attacks. Its called accountability. This is politics, its a contact sport. Deal with it or get out. If people on here can write hit piece after hit piece diary about Clinton then they should also be able to put up with people , whether its the campaign or a 527 group, going negative on their candidates

Really, I dont mind it when people bash Clinton fairly. If you think Free Trade is bad and dislike her because of it thats fine. If you think all candidates who voted for the invasion of Iraq should apologize, thats fine. I disagree but thats politics.

What I can't fucking stand is how every minor thing that shows your candidate in a negative light is a giant scandal and the "MSM" out to get your campaign. Your candidate ain't perfect. There are things that you like about them that others dislike. Thats life, deal with it or don't run for president.

Maybe is progressives, democrats as a whole actually, stopped complaining to their like minded friends about how unfair the world is and attacked back then we could win an election now and then.


by world dictator on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 05:42:46 PM EST

Re: HIT JOB (none / 0)

This is a hit job by Howard Wolfson.


by BDM on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 05:45:32 PM EST
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Re: HIT JOB (none / 0)

Proof?  


by georgep on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 10:02:09 PM EST
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Re: More whining (1.00 / 0)

exactly my sentiment. Too many 'progressives' are just too sissy, how can we expect these guys to win election?


by maoasada on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 05:46:09 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

What are you some macho guy. What tough thing have you done.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I guess you want a right wing hawk to be your nominee.


by BDM on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 05:53:56 PM EST
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Re: More whining (1.00 / 0)

Ha you can't even argue back!


by world dictator on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 06:07:47 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

Go away little Republican troll... go away!


by yitbos96bb on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 07:37:08 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

explain to me how I'm a republican troll.


by world dictator on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 07:41:15 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

I have seen no evidence that WD is a Republican.  He or she also does not appear to be a troll.  

Why the slam?  


by georgep on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 10:05:07 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

I would disagree with you... WD's comments are very trollish.


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 08:21:11 AM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

No, winning isn't everything.  How you run for office counts as well.  The persons behind www.Hillaryis44.org should have identified themselves from Day 1.  That's not whining - that's insisting on fair play and not engaging in a smear campaign.


Bill Richardson: "Get out now. Get all our troops out now. It is the only right and responsible choice."
by Stephen Cassidy on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 07:35:58 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

how about you stop throwing out empty taglines like "fair play" and "smear campaign" and tell me why running a negative ad that is not false or misleading is wrong?

If Edwards or Obama runs a negative ad about Clinton's stance on Iraq is that a smear tactic? No! Its highlighting the negative aspects of your opponents records and making a case for why voters should not vote for that candidate.

Not every negative ad is swiftboating. Swiftboating was only unethical because it flat out lied about the war record of a veteran simply because they disagreed with his political views. THAT is a smear tactic.

When Bush said that John McCain was against breast cancer victims because he voted against one pork laden bill that had a few thousand dollars in it for cancer research that is misleading and a smear tactic.

However if a candidate were to run an add pointing to McCain's support for immigration reform thats NOT a smear campaign.


by world dictator on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 07:48:51 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

You're mixed up.  Commenting critically on your opponent's record or position on the issues is fine and fair game.

But you mean to tell me you can't figure out a sentence like "Barack Obama (D-Rezko) must be a very unhappy and miserable man today" isn't a personal attack on Obama and part of an effort to smear him?  


Bill Richardson: "Get out now. Get all our troops out now. It is the only right and responsible choice."
by Stephen Cassidy on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 08:19:42 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

Stephen, there are a bunch of anti-Hillary websites.   They slam her very strongly and viciously.  It happens.  I don't care, to me it is somebody's lame attempt at undermining her.  

Just one of many examples:

http://hillaryproject.com/

An excerpt:

Hillary Clinton is an unethical and selfish woman. Now she wants to be president. Her craving for power and wounds from failures on a monumental scale are driving her to put our country at risk again. Our mission is to educate the people of our country to what they're up against and just how dangerous the notion of her becoming president really is.

So, why is this site such a travesty, but the many sites bashing her are ok?  


by georgep on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 10:10:14 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

I dont think that calling Obama unhappy and miserable is a smear job I think its a bad ad. But my comments were more so reflected towards the argument that an ad is bad because its negative.

I havent looked at the site but my same criteria still apply. If it includes lies or blatant misrepresentations then its unethical if its based on a fact then its fair game.


by world dictator on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 11:23:57 PM EST
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Re: More whining (none / 0)

Based on fact?  Like the Reichstag fire, for example?


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:09:22 AM EST
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Obama 527s Up Also (none / 0)

there are obama 57 attack sites too. i will post em as soon as i can find the article that talks them..


by art3 on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 06:28:18 PM EST

Re: Obama 527s Up Also (none / 0)

You do that.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 08:58:08 PM EST
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Here is One Obama 527 (none / 0)

Yep-on MSNBC's website-news of the first 527 for obama-

Unsanctioned Obama group starts 527
Vote Hope may be a sign of things to come in the busy 2008 race

By Domenico Montanaro
Political Researcher
NBC News
Updated: 4:07 p.m. CT June 22, 2007
WASHINGTON - One of the first 527 committees formed in support of a 2008 presidential candidate is Vote Hope, created by San Francisco attorney Steve Phillips, who is also the president and founder of the liberal PowerPAC.

Vote Hope bills itself as a PAC in support of Sen. Barack Obama.

......

News of Vote Hope comes as Obama -- who has been critical of 527s -- traveled Friday to New Hampshire to deliver a speech on government reform.
for more go to:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19375615/


by art3 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 01:17:26 AM EST
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Re: Here is One Obama 527 (none / 0)

Would you describe it as an Obama 527 attack site, like you said?  Did you actually browse the site, www.votehope2008.org?   I did and suggest you do as well before you dig yourself deeper.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 02:05:24 AM EST
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Re: HillaryIs44.org: Should HRC disown this attac (none / 0)

"not linked to HRC's campaign in any manner and she has no responsibility to take any action in response to it."


by Korha on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 09:27:48 PM EST

Re: HillaryIs44.org: (none / 0)

Regarding hillaryis44.org, I'd be sympathetic toward Obama if he had been decent enough to show some respect for Hillary when Robert Gibbs and Geffen tried to tear her apart.  Now an obviously strong Hillary supporter has set up a site to criticize Obama.  Ordinarily, this would go against my grain, but I saw how Hillary and Bill Clinton had to grin and bear the attacks made on them by Geffen, by Robert Gibbs, by Arianna Huffington and by Maureen Dowd - all in one nicely co-ordinated effort to hurt Hillary.

When that fiasco was taking place, I read comments on mydd and dailykos, from Obama supporters, that were nothing more than high-fives for Geffen.  One commenter said, "Hey Geffen! We owe you one man."  

If Obama wants to be President, I guess he and his supporters better get used to what Hillary has had to bear for years, most of it lies.


by samueldem on Sun Jun 24, 2007 at 11:28:12 PM EST


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