Obama this is a NO-NO!!!

I was reading Markos Midday Open Thread and came across this, Psst, Obama? It's stupid to keep people out of events because they have a blog.  I am like what the, "you know what", trying to curb my dainty typing hands here, but you get the picture.

Well, what is Obama doing keeping folks out of events.  And of course, I had to read further:

Last night I headed out to Keene, NH to attend one of Obama's "Faith, Action, Change" forums at the small Keene State College student center. Billed as an opportunity for Progressives to discuss their faith in terms of social change, they're free and open to the public. Registration is recommended, but not required. I got to the event a little early and hung around the student center, speaking with an intern, until the event started to begin.

Walking into a small room, Nicole Derse from the political desk of the Obama NH campaign was busy meeting folks. As she turned to me she started to say hello, so I replied with a smile, "Hi, my names Jerid. I'm a blogger."

"Oooooooh, I'm sorry, but you'll have to leave," she shot back. "These events are closed to the press."

Umm, are these politicians blocking the "average joe blogger" from free events?  And now the "average joe blogger" is considered press?  Well, I know the more "known bloggers" may get that "special treatment", but just the "average joe blogger" who shows up to the town meetings, only this town meeting has Barack Obama, and all of a sudden, shown the door, with the knob hitting "you know where"?

This is why, I have written before, Clinton nor Obama have "netroots" love.  They don't.  I can not fathom John Edwards throwing or "let me get this correct" not allowing a blogger to one of his events.  This is the age of "instant media", meaning if you have an event, make sure your speech is typed and ready to put on line (word for word); digital cameras and the takers are "ready" to throw the photos of the event on line; and if there is any discrepancy for whatever reason, you have a video ready to "de-bunk" and "show on line".

Now, if politicians do this, why the kerfuffle of allowing a blogger into the "free" event to, BLOG.  These bloggers are in the middle of god knows where, at an event the average person could care less about, just to get information to "share".  To pass the "message" along, as these candidates always want a "message" to be passed.

Now, this was one Podunk "Faith, Action, Change" event in the middle of nowhere will, in the grand scheme of things, have practically no impact on who is our next President. The problem is that it raises this ENORMOUS question of transparency and access. How will blogs be treated by this wave of presidential campaigns; will they they take a dynamic approach to determining who's friendly and will they recognize that a lot of blogs are run by the same folks on their volunteer rosters; or will they stonewall? Obama's approach actually encourages bloggers to be dishonest with his campaign for fear of access - that's not a smart strategy.

I am totally on the side of the blogger here.  Obama, and the rest of you presidential candidates, (and I am going to do a Nelly here), "let me in, Obama, let me in, you are talking about transparency and openness. If this is the case, you should have nothing to worry about.  All you have to do is follow the steps above, called a C.Y.A. (cover your ass) and you should be just fine.



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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

Obama was right.


by vamonticello on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:34:46 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

How?  None of these politicians should block any blogger.  Now I understand secret service issues, and that should be checked at the door, but to blog?  I disagree, here, and I am an Obama supporter, but disagree.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:38:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (2.20 / 5)

This same blogger immediately started attacking Obama in his writings. Why would Obama want to be associated with someone that clearly does not like him?


by vamonticello on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:47:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (2.50 / 2)

Obama knows about some bloggers coming by looking for trash. Why should he trust them when they have been trashing him and praising Edwards all this time? He knows what's up.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:49:31 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 11)

Dude. Stop smoking. I've been writing glowing stuff about Obama ever since I got to NH. I'll continue writing nice stuff about him. However, there was a problem last night. I spoke with the campaign multiple times before I put that post up because I didn't want to misportray what might have just been one accident on the campaign's behalf. But it's more than that - it appears to be a shortsighted policy about bloggers.

So....please don't smear me or my writings.


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by BuckeyeStateBlog on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:13:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Don't call me Dude. I'm not a man and would never want to be one. It's insulting.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:51:59 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

dudette?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:53:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

LOL


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 11:07:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (1.00 / 9)

We know this campaign is all about YOU.  BoooHoooo I couldnt get into an event by a candidate so I'm going to cry about it on the internet.  BOOOOOOHOOOOO.


by vamonticello on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:58:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Reminds me a little of Lynn Sweet. She has written some good things about Obama , until she was locked out by Security from going into a fundraiser and totally lost it.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:13:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

stay classy vamonticello, riducle instead of substance is not the way to go.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 05:10:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I find the fact someone who declared themselves to be a "blogger"  to be excluded from an Open event should see what happened here in  Connecticut last year in  the Lamont/Lieberman race. Lieberman coverage was MSM which was bias. His schedule  events were never announced. All were staged.  Netroots  is just that to include people who have lost their voice.  Open to everyone.   That's  what Lamont did.

This has lead to the legislature in Connecticut to try to limit what is written in Blogs and their status. Any of the CT Bloggers can comment better than I on this. We also had a blogger arrested for taking a picture of the Governor at a parade.  I would say a parade is an Open event.

Yesterday, Hillary went to an event where she knew she was not going to have a warm reception. She was booooed as everyone knows. But two things  I saw. One, the  people who felt they had too stand up  to make their point did.  Without going to the extreme of disrespect to an invited guest. Hillary stood there and took it knowing full well the point of view.  She did not run or hide from it.

I am not either a  Hillary or Barack  supporter. I want the best possible candidate for this country.  This is too important. I  believe Barack is a flawed candidate.  Not of enough light has been placed on his  details.  The one that rubs me the  wrong way from the start.  His claim as to when he arrived in DC  his mentor was Joe Lieberman. The tactics of not allowing Bloggers into an open event has Holy Joe written all over it.


by orion1 on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:27:58 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (2.83 / 6)

Really? Then why are their staffers trying to apologize?


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:35:48 PM EST
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Because... (none / 0)

...they know that influential websites might spread the story in a way that makes their candidate look bad -- regardless of the actual facts of the story.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:36:16 PM EST
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Re: Because... (none / 0)

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy is irrelevant... Jerome is right that this was handled very poorly by the organizers of the event.  A simple "You can come in, but we would ask you not blog this as we are excluding press for such and such reason" would have made this a non-blip.  


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:10:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

yawn.


by maoasada on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:39:18 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

if you are weary, turn off your computer, deary


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:40:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (1.50 / 4)

LOL.

In other words, the diarists is saying,

"Whaaaaaaa! Obama won the TBA Straw Poll. Whaaaa! No, No! "


"I don't oppose all wars...what I do oppose, is a dumb war" ~ Barack Obama
by BlueDiamond on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:47:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

Since the diarist is a vocal supporter of Obama I don't think that's what they are saying at all actually. ;)


by Quinton on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:06:49 PM EST
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You don't get it (none / 0)

In the minds of these candidate partisans if you write ANYTHING criticizing or even questioning something their candidate or his campaign does you are instantly the enemy. Think of it as "Susan Nunes Syndrome".


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 11:40:37 PM EST
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Re: You don't get it (3.00 / 7)

and I am an Obama supporter, but I think everyone knows where I am coming from.  We need to be critical for all these candidates, none of them are walking on water.  I was not critical of Obama, but agreed and sided with the blogger, who is at a free event, blogging.  Again, I think that candidates should let everyone into free events.  And it is the candidate's responsibility to make sure all "their" media is in check.  Again, C.Y.A. anyone?  


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 11:48:32 PM EST
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Re: You don't get it (3.00 / 3)

You may be an Obama supporter but yes, I don't think you get it.  This was not just some campaign event.  It was a small group forum called Faith, Values, and Politics.  As it is described on the NH website "After a prayer and self-introductions from all attendees, the group broke up into pairs and shared personal stories about how faith motivates their public service."  If the organizers decided they did not want the Press at this event to perhaps make the participants more comfortable that is THEIR choice.  It's wasn't just some free event, it's was not an "event".  Personally I find it refreshing that a candidate's office holds a dialog where the intention is not to pick up publicity but to actually try to hold a meaningful and private conversation.

Since there weren't hordes of media being turned away, I imagine this was conveyed to the Press beforehand.  This blogger showed up and announced he was there as a blogger and was treated like the rest of the press.  The criticisms of this are way off base.  One way to change the political discourse in this country is to stop always using the participants as extras in a calculated media event.  


by Doug Dilg on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:17:43 AM EST
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There were better ways to handle it (none / 0)

They could have explained all that to the blogger and asked him to agree (in writing if necessary) NOT to blog about the event or at least certain aspects. From the story, it sounds like they did not offer that option.

They need to develop a more sensible policy because, as the diarist noted, today virtually EVERYONE is a blogger of some kind. Those that don't publish their own blogs write diaries on sites like DKos and MyDD....


"We are building a political movement - not one that wields the power of lobbyists and corporate interests, but the power of millions... who seek change." -Dean
by Jim in Chicago on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:14:40 PM EST
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For transparency (none / 0)

and also just for pr its not a great move. Not sure why he wouldnt want to encourage blogging at these kinds of things to spread the word about campaign events. It would seem like a win/win for them.


by okamichan13 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:40:23 PM EST

Re: For transparency (3.00 / 1)

Uh, let me see.

Trashed

Misstated

Falsely Accused

Lied On

Misrepresented

Daily Edwards

MyEDDwards

Gee. Why doesn't he trust just any blogger popping into a meeting? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:53:44 PM EST
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Re: For transparency (3.00 / 2)

Again, I support Obama, but this is the world we live in now.  Instant.  He is running the most sophisticated web operations, hands down, of all the candidates.  And everyone is not going to like everybody's candidate, we see this on the regular on this site.  To not allow bloggers is stupid, in my opinion.  We live in the world of de-bunk, if someone writes something untrue, you have recourse to put it right.  So, I am on the side of the blogger here, transparency.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:57:11 PM EST
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Odd discrepancy.... (3.00 / 1)

it seems like the issue was that the "blogger" was treated as press, no?   I thought that was a good thing (citizen press access, etc.), so I guess I don't quite understand the hoopla.  If you want to go to "closed press" events, why call yourself a blogger?  Just call yourself a citizen.


by rashomon on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:23:57 PM EST
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Re: For transparency (none / 0)

Credit where credit is due.  Thanks for bringing this story up.  

It is an interesting distinction on the press vs blogger label in this instance.  I guess if the blogger was on an accredited press list then he is press and fair game to be kept out of a no-press event.

If he was really just a citizen blogger and not on any press list, clearly he should be let in.


Don't hate the media, become the media. -- Jello Biafra
by Orlando on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:40:09 PM EST
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Re: For transparency (none / 0)

Since when do bloggers care about Faith ? That was what the meeting was about?


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:53:32 PM EST
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what? (3.00 / 2)

http://www.streetprophets.com/


by KevinH on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:08:41 AM EST
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Re: For transparency (3.00 / 1)

Thats quite an ignorant comment.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:15:10 AM EST
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Re: For transparency (none / 0)

very  ignorant i'd say


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:34:24 AM EST
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Unless you are accusing (none / 0)

this specific person of that, your comment is total nonsense.

if you are accusing him, then back it up or shut up.

What if you werent allowed into an Obama event because people knew you blogged?


by okamichan13 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 11:08:43 PM EST
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Re: For transparency (none / 0)

Is that a helpful defense you've mounted for Obama there? That he's a man paranoid of devious blogger saboteurs?


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:20:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

well i felt that way with the whole myspace fiasco. Thats what initially put me off to him. I'm not saying this is the same, but i think his whole netroots/grassroots persona is just a gimmick.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 04:56:50 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 0)

the myspace was different.  and i am not going to go into the drama, but he was right in retaining his name.  he wanted to control the site.  now we don't know the other candidates, if they are doing this, and i would not be surprised if they are, especially clinton who is highly protected.  but the myspace was justified, this is different. it is about an average blogger going to free events and blog about it.  what makes one think that an acredited journalist who is at the same event will not write a bullshit piece about Obama or any candidate, with a bias edge.  this is the age we live in.  if the crap is untrue, de-bunk it and back it up.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:03:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

I should note this diary was written by an Obama supporter.  Notice how knee-jerk his unthinking drones are.  They don't care what the source is, they go on attack mode.  How sad.

When Edwards makes a mistake I know a number of his supporters who will criticize it.  When Obama makes a mistake they make every excuse in the book.  When one of their own questions a decision, they become a heretic.  My god the Obama cult scares the shit out of me.

Ice, you're always welcome on my team.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:03:53 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

aw, VP...shucks....


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:05:20 PM EST
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I don't know that... (none / 0)

it's any more cult-like than the Dean and Clark groupies in 2003.  But knee-jerk reactions to anything are silly.


by rashomon on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:33:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

As an Obama supporter, I find this comment by Vox very insulting. Why are we drones just because we like what a guy has to say? And to suggest that Edwards supporters are at a maturity level above Obama supporting isn't only an enormous generalization, but also untrue. Sure, there's a few people on both "sides" who are too eager to lash out...and with comments like this, Vox is close to becoming one of these people.

Also, why do Obama supporters "scare the shit" out of you? Obama and Edwards have essentially the same policies, but with different approaches. It's like saying you love apples but are scared shitless by oranges. Ridiculous.

Overall, I think this is a non-issue. The dude shouldn't have said he was a blogger if he wanted to blog a citizens-only event. And there's no indication that this wasn't just an example of an overzealous staffer trying to keep the press out, instead of a policy by Obama to keep bloggers away. Whatever.


"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
by This Machine Kills Fascists on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:08:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I think there is a difference between Obama supporters and the Obama cult (Obama drones).  The Obama cultists, like Vamonticello, attack other Obama supporters who question stupid moves by the campaign.  They have the knee-jerk reactions I was talking about.  Obama supporters are not as reactionary and are willing to admit when their man makes a mistake, as Iceberg (an Obama supporter) has done in this thread.

Yes there are Edwards supporters who do the same thing, but there are not as many on this site as there are Obama drones.

I hope this clarifies things.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:58:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

There are a lot more Edwards supporters who don't call him out and attack those saying anything negative.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:17:38 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I'm not one of them.  I criticized the haircut story, and his slow handling of 'Bloggergate.'  There were others with me.

The Edwards campaign itself has made fewer strategical blunders than the Obama campaign.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:05:03 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

You may not do it all the time, but you are definately guilty of it.  As far as strategic errors, I agree with you that Edwards has made less; I would also say it is fair to say that the media and public in general have a higher tolerance for Obama's campaign mistakes;


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:46:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 1)

I've heard that in Iowa a blogger got rushed press stuff and asked what the Obama camp could do to make his blogging easier. So I think this was a screw up. Not a OFA Policy.

Still, Obama needs to deal with this.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:13:37 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Thank you, Populista.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:27:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 0)

Why does every event have to be for publication?  The meeting was about Faith, Action, and Change and I find it very interesting that they would attempt to give their participants a level of privacy.  


by Doug Dilg on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:34:55 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

What the staffer should have done is say, you can stay, but we don't want you blogging about it... anyone, everyone, is a blogger in this day and age.

This reminds me of when I, along with Stoller and Trippi, got kicked out for blogging a DNC event during the DNC Chair race, and people off the street blogged diary entries about us getting kicked out, from still inside the event.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:38:32 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

Okay, but does everyone who doesn't handle a situation in the best way deserve to get roasted on the internet?  There's an element of feeding people to the wolves here that is really unseemly.


by Doug Dilg on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:41:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I agree with you a 100%.  They stuck to policy but they handled it poorly.  It should have been handled the way you suggest.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:18:53 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I support icebergslim's right to bash Obama any time she pleases.  :-)

And, I would be happy to share my foxhole with her.   :-)

Seriously, we are ALL bloggers here.  Are we not welcome to Obama events because of that fact?  Or should there be a weeding process that separates the Obama-friendly bloggers from those who at some point may have been critical of Obama?  So, then, I can NEVER go to see him, and perhaps be wowed into supporting the guy?

What age do we live in?  The mid-90s?


by georgep on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:53:26 PM EST

I knew that this non-issue (none / 0)

would result in a hit piece. You Johnbots are unbelievable. The slimiest of the bunch by far.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:17:37 PM EST

Re: I knew that this non-issue (none / 0)

Someone else who did not get the memo.

Earth to Populism2008:  The diarist is a die-hard Obama supporter, not a JohnBot.  Way to devour your own, though.   :-)


by georgep on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:23:58 PM EST
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Yup. (none / 0)

But I still disagree with the premise...these things seem way overblown.


by rashomon on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:29:37 PM EST
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Re: Yup. (3.00 / 1)

Not at all! He wanted to express his opinion on the campaign and how they handled a situation. This is totally the right forum for it.  If someone you support turns you down like that, you have every right to tell your side of the events. What else would we be doing here if not learning about the candidates, talking about their events, talking about their campaigns, and talking about our experiences!?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:59:22 PM EST
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Re: Yup. (none / 0)

or she? sry! not sure


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:35:36 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 2)

This is not meant to get overblown.  It is meant for us to "think".  We are talking about freedom and with it responsiblity of speech.  I can sit at an event with one hundred people and all of us will come out with a "different reaction".  It is the responsibility of the blogger to be unbiased, period.  But we know that is hard.  Well, I am an Obama supporter and this is not a flame piece, but an honest one about my candidate.  If we can not take the heat about any of our candidates and the stupid things they can and will pull, then don't put your hands to keyboard and turn off the computer.  This is instant media age.  And not a one, not a one, candidate should be afraid of any person coming to hear them speak.  And if a blogger, the candidate, should already have his/her media team ready, especially the "video feed".  Nuff said.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:50:32 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I understand the issues you're trying to highlight here, but...

How old is "Jerid," 15?!! I'm sure he means very well, but it strikes me
as incredibly unsavvy, naive and, frankly, a little bumpkin-ish to walk into a
U.S. presidential campaign event and introduce yourself to someone from the
campaign
by saying, "Hi, you don't know me from Adam, but I'm Joe Blogger."

Wouldn't any credible journalist or blogger understand that the only way to
get an honest read of any such event is to play it cool and present [him]self
as an ordinary member of the public -- one without a big, glossy "Blogger"
sticker plastered to [his] forehead?

Seems like some basic lessons from Subtlety 101 could have gone a long
way here. At least, "Jerid" would have had something to write about apart
from his wounded blogger pride.


by horizonr on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:54:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Your description reminds me of the commercial with the guy and the cell phone company repairmam. He's worried that his cell phone isn't working because he hasn't heard from the "three, hot, swingin', chicks" he gave his number to the night before, maybe "they all called at once and jammed up the phone line.  Now that dude's a blogger.  Word.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:04:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Sorry, I don't get the analogy.
by horizonr on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:44:35 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Kind of a nerdy naivete.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 09:45:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Right (none / 0)


by horizonr on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:53:41 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 0)

I think it is important that the event was able to have a free and open exchange regarding religion and politics without being open for publication.  Staging the event in such a way is in my opinion respectful of the individuals who attended, for religion is a very divisive issue in our country and people should feel they have a right to privacy with those beliefs.

It is interesting to me, however, that blogs want to be respected as legitimate news sources and want to carry that kind of clout with campaigns, but when they are treated like like legitimate news sources, bloggers get upset.


by freepursuits on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 06:58:52 PM EST

Right (none / 0)


by horizonr on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:10:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

My thoughts as well.

I believe obama's Campaign had the right policy here.

Although there will always be a difference between blogging and press, having such a gathering without going public is not a bad thing.

Both sides could have handled it a bit better but the blogpost wasn't that bad either.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 05:52:57 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

That was my first thought as religion, for many people, is a very private and personal thing.
I might add, touchy and controversial.

Comments about God, religion, faith and spirituality are easily misconstrued.  How many of us have been in heated arguments over religion?

Still, I think they should have let him in.

With that said, I am still unclear whether this was the overall decision of the campaign for this particular event or what this a unilateral call by some "well-meaning" attendant?


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 09:49:25 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

As an individual, I don't have a problem with him going into the event.  But if he was to blog about the event, I think that is disrespectful of the people there.  And what assurance could the campaign have that he wouldn't blog about it?  A man's word isn't worth what is used to be worth.


by freepursuits on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:36:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Is it OK that the traditional press was excluded?  Is a self-proclaimed blogger a journalist, or not?


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 07:34:19 PM EST

This is a total non-issue. (3.00 / 1)

Why was this diary written by an Obama supporter?

Bloggers are becoming too self righteous in my opinion.  We are not God and we are not obligated entrance into every political function a candidate throws.  When concerning issues of faith, progressive bloggers have not been known to be very sensitive to those issues.

Finally, iceberg, no disrespect but you seem way too eager to point out things wrong with Obama or his supporters.


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by lovingj on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:52:24 PM EST

Reason I bring this up. (none / 0)

We get enough critical pieces from the front posters, Edwards supporters, and the ever growing Hillary lot.

Case in point, it made the front page of Daily Kos.


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by lovingj on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:55:24 PM EST
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Re: Reason I bring this up. (3.00 / 3)

Forget these people.  Many write shit that can not be backed up, FACT.  Obama has huge support our there, including US.  We need to be real here, all these candidates need to be under the microscope and DAILY.  We can not be blind about any of them.  Do you know what one of them will have to endure, 2009 of January?  So, much, I just sighed.  So, we do have to be critical, if we can not handle THIS, what are we going to do in 2008 for the General?


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:06:48 PM EST
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Maybe I am overreacting. (none / 0)

But I guess I am still suprise this piece came from you considering your other great reports and works.

Please excuse me if I got too defensive but it seem like there are way too many Hillary and Edwards supporters siding with you on this issue.

I respect your right to be critical of all candidates including Obama, but excuse me if I do not find this issue to be a big deal.  I think the blogging community has become extremely important for news and spreading progressive values.  However, I find it extremely distasteful this all important mantle bloggers put themselves on.  We are important but we are not everything and candidates have to make sensitive judgments that can be critical to their campaign.  Look at what happen with the simple blogging incident with John Edwards.  Yes, Edwards had good intentions, but yet the media scolded him for it.


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by lovingj on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:56:21 PM EST
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Re: Maybe I am overreacting. (none / 0)

If you've respected ice in the past, then give her the benefit of the doubt now.  Consider looking at it from her point of view.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:07:08 PM EST
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It takes a lot of courage to say this (none / 0)

sometimes. We should all be demanding more from our candidates. Props and respect to you.


by okamichan13 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 11:15:01 PM EST
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One more thing. (none / 0)

Instead of just arguing on the merits of not allowing a blogger, you used the following contrast:

I can not fathom John Edwards throwing or "let me get this correct" not allowing a blogger to one of his events.

Which begs the question, are you an Obama supporter or just currently an Obama leaner?


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by lovingj on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 08:58:39 PM EST
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Re: This is a total non-issue. (none / 0)

I did not state anything at all in this diary about Obama supporters, and I am one of them.  And Obama, is not God.  I support him, but he is a man who puts on his pants, one leg at a time.  Hillary is not the Mother of God.  She is a woman who puts a bra on, like me, daily.  John Edwards is not parting the Red Sea, per Moses.  He has to brush his teeth daily, as you and I.  Meaning, these candidates are people.  Not perfect, just people.  And I support Obama, 100%, going to a Women for Obama's fundraiser/conference call on Sunday, with 100.00 check in tow.  But, he is not perfect, Hillary and John is far from perfect, and neither are any of us.  


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:04:03 PM EST
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Re: This is a total non-issue. (none / 0)

Hey,

I get it. I got pissed off at the Obama Campaign for doing something wrong ( Getting Caught Doing Stealth OR) but I did not slam Barack Obama over it. I slammed the staff member and called for his demotion to stuffing campaign envelopes because I didn't even trust him to make campaign signs for fear he might misspell Obama. So, I have no problem being real and being critical, but to appear as if you are blaming Obama when this was just a staffer, is what warranted my responses.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 09:20:50 PM EST
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Re: This is a total non-issue. (none / 0)

We all know what this is about.  A staffer.  Yes, I agree, but whose name is on the event, Obama.  Look, I support him 1000%, absoulutely.  And this is not a hit piece, how can it be?  I sided with the blogger over Obama, for the right to blog, period.  I will be at YearlyKos, with laptop, micro/mini cassette recorder, my sony cybershot, all bells and whistles, and will be letting my fellow colleagues know EXACTLY what is going on.  And this just happen to get out, who knows what Hillary and the rest are doing.  Especially, Hillary, the most robotic and scripted candidate in this whole field next to Mitt Romney.  Can you fathom a blogger coming to her? PLEASE.  Freedom to BLOG.

and read my other diary.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/20/1839 28/065


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:02:47 PM EST
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Re: This is a total non-issue. (none / 0)

Okay, I will read it. Thank you.


"I don't believe in this can't do, won't do, won't even try style of politics. Yes We Can!" ~ Barack Obama
by ObamaEdwards2008 on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 10:17:49 PM EST
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Re: This is a total non-issue. (none / 0)

We do need to get our candidates to manage their campaigns better.  I know they've got plenty of other things to do and the managers they hire are supposed to do this kind of stuff for them.  However, I still it was partly Joe Trippi's fault for the downfall of Howard Dean.  Dean should have had his eye on Joe.

You might be the best person for the job but your staff can make you appear as a lightweight.


No Quacks, please.
by noquacks on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 09:53:28 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I'm of two opinions... on one hand, I think it was stupid... one of those idiotic things that just makes your campaign inept in the press... similiar to the haircut issue with Edwards... Not a big deal to me in the grand scheme, but just stupid on the part of the campaign because at best, nothing happens and at worst you hurt yourself.

On the other hand, according to the account, they did say ALL PRESS IS BANNED.  If they allowed (and I can't tell from the account so maybe Buckeye can clarify) newspapers and TV but shunned bloggers that is just wrong... if they did not allow any press then, right or wrong policy, they were at least CONSISTENT with their policy.  Bloggers have been fighting hard to be considered journalists and part of the press... here they were being treated like the press; you either want to be considered legitimate press or you don't; Bloggers can't have it both ways.

Overall, I think they should allow the bloggers and the press to cover the events.  If print and TV were allowed and the bloggers excluded then that was just plain bad decisions by the campaign or event organizers.  But if all were excluded, then the policy needs to be attacked and not the actions of the campaign... which followed their own policy.


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by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:13:31 AM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (3.00 / 0)

Why should they always make these dialogues open to the Press when what happened there was "After a prayer and self-introductions from all attendees, the group broke up into pairs and shared personal stories about how faith motivates their public service."  I find it very refreshing a candidates office would hold a political community dialog where the intention was to have serious conversations and not treat the participants as free extras in a calculated media event.


by Doug Dilg on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:21:41 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Word. Although I often agree with icebergslim, this on is way off the mark.
by horizonr on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:35:05 AM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Because if we want to build a force as powerful as the RWNM, then we need to do that sort of thing...

Beyond that, regardless if you agree with the policy or not, ANYONE can see this would get blown up in the blogosphere and possibly the MSM, which is bad publicity you don't want.  Personally, I for openness so I don't agree witht he policy... but it is theres to make.  However, on a practical standpoint, Jerome is right, they should have said he can't blog it and then let him in to attend the event.  That's servicing your supporters... if a business did what they did; would you tolerate it?


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:50:23 AM EST
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Photographic Tour of Obama's HQ Downtown Chi (none / 0)

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2007/06/a_brief_photographic_tour_o f_o_1.php


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:00:03 AM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Sounds like ice need to get the full story and not just give a one sided opinion based on a one sided account.


by Jalenth on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:10:00 AM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

I think the responses show that Obama supporters eat their own.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:12:27 AM EST

Funny how this made the rec list. (3.00 / 1)

Not a single Obama supporter.  All Edwards and Hillary supporters.

Most Obama supporters come to the situation saying let me get all the facts first before drawing a negative conclusion.  However, everyone assumes the Obama campaign was in the wrong with this sole blogger who was not let in to a "NO PRESS" event.


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by lovingj on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 02:20:45 AM EST

Obama is all gimmick (none / 0)

Its all an act the idea that he is reaching out to different people or that he is different.  He is running a very safe Washington style campaign.  He is being packaged by his handlers and any rhetoric you hear is just that.

Its the same ole, same ole.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:18:45 AM EST

Re: Obama is all gimmick (3.00 / 1)

If it was the same ole same ole there wouldn't be this thread.  Holding an event to talk about Faith and Politics in a setting with no publicity is hardly typical of a Washington style campaign.  


by Doug Dilg on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 11:22:43 AM EST
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And Hillary is not? (none / 0)

Please don't post a comment like this, if you can not be unbiased and critical about your own candidate.  If anyone is running a different campaign is John Edwards and Barack Obama.  Hillary Clinton is one of the most robotic and handled candidates out there, FACT.


"I want my voice to be read"
by icebergslim on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:10:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

No Press- should include bloggers. Specifically if the format as reported here had to with breaking into pairs and sharing intimate thoughts and views.

At the same time too many silly incompetent looking things are happening in Obama-land.


by g1967 on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 10:23:28 AM EST

New media is still "media." (3.00 / 1)

This blogger could have attended this event as a person rather than as a "blogger," but by announcing at the door "Hi! I'm a blogger!" that indicates that they went there intending to blog about it.

There's lots of good reasons, many of which have been discussed above, for why they didn't want media coverage of this particular event--new media or old media.

They did the right thing for an event of this sort.


by Mystylplx on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:18:15 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

It is unbelievable how this site which only a year ago seemed like such a positive thing has become a forum for near-constant Fox-like attacks on Obama. Given that this is the case, and given his earlier response to Fox, is it any wonder that he is freezing out mydd as well? Maybe this particular blogger didn't specify his relationship to mydd, but frankly I have seen pretty much the same shit over at dailykos, so I don't see a huge difference.

Think about it. You have Vox whatever his name is going around posting about Barack "Husayn" Obama being a lying liar or some shit, you have these constant posts which oscillate between slamming Obama for being timid and not attacking Hillary and then slamming Obama for being mean and attacking Hillary! Pretty much every time I log in there is a new hit-piece on the man. Is there really such a total lack of self-awareness in this community that his response would come as a surprise to you?

What is with the netroots, how have they gone so far astray??? Idolizing John Edwards is about the most inane strategy our side of the aisle has embarked on in the past few years. I read posts praising his "poverty center" which amounted to nothing more than a holding front for his campaign staff until the next election, which did not hire people who were experienced in poverty work but instead spent its money on consulting fees to recipients not-yet-specified, and of course on JE's campaign travel expenses! How are you people so blind??

These are the same clowns who idolized McCain in 2000, who attacked Al Gore for being too centrist and then voted for Nader or didn't vote at all... Seriously guys. I know I'm being caustic right now, but you have to realize that this kind of reflexive poor decision making is the reason why the progressive movement has been stalled for so long, and why now despite national momentum, it still moves at a snail's pace.


by alipi on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 12:53:37 PM EST

Re: Obama this is a NO-NO!!! (none / 0)

Well, in this case this diary was written by an Obama supporter, but I know what you mean.

The worst thing is that all these petty attacks on Obama, which then inspire some equally petty attacks on Edwards from Obama supporters, has lead to this whole Obama/Edwards war, and that in turn means that the netroots are for all intents and purposes supporting Hillary Clinton. With Edwards supporters constantly trying to tear down Barack Obama, and Obama supporters in turn retaliating against Edwards, it is Hillary Clinton who is the winner.


by Mystylplx on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:46:41 PM EST
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I totally agree. (3.00 / 1)

I came to mydd because I thought it was more open than dailykos.  However, to my suprise, it is the same ol'.

Edwards supporters stick together and bash Obama.  Hillary supporters stick together and bash Edwards and Obama.  Obama supporters (not all) seem to attack Obama and his supporters.  I saw a recent diary by horizonr that made my stomach turn.  Obama supporters calling him stupid and that he did not know what he was talking about.  Ugh.

I guarantee you do not see the same kind stuff happening with Edwards supporters.  It is my suspicion that there are great deal more self proclaim Obama supporters who are really just closet Edwards supporters.


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by lovingj on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:55:50 PM EST
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This whole diary is garbage. (3.00 / 1)

And it turns my stomach to see DpAndrews, Georgep and others claim that this shows that "Obama is a gimmick."  And then they throw in our faces that it was written by a fellow Obama supporter.

This whole diary and the following commentary sucks.


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by lovingj on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:59:21 PM EST
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