Al Gore - "A horrible mistake"

Go watch this video: AL Gore - Coal to Liquid Technology

Is your Senator one of the 12 cosponsors? Is your representative one of the 30 cosponsors in the house? The list is so long I had to put it below the break!

Check the list and then start contacting them to register your disappointment. As Al Gore says, they are making "a horrible mistake" by co-sponsoring this massive corporate welfare subsidy for a disastrous energy policy.

Cross-posted at DailyKos

In the Senate
S.154 -- Title: A bill to promote coal-to-liquid fuel activities.
Status: Referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.
Sponsor: Sen Bunning, Jim [KY]
COSPONSORS(12)
Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO]
Sen Byrd, Robert C. [WV]
Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID]
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. [ND]
Sen Enzi, Michael B. [WY]
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA]
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN]
Sen Martinez, Mel [FL]
Sen Murkowski, Lisa [AK]
Sen Obama, Barack [IL]
Sen Pryor, Mark L. [AR]
Sen Thomas, Craig [WY]

In the House
H.R.370 -- Title: To promote coal-to-liquid fuel activities.
Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality.
Sponsor: Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4]
COSPONSORS(30)
Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6]
Rep Boucher, Rick [VA-9]
Rep Boustany, Charles W., Jr. [LA-7]
Rep Cannon, Chris [UT-3]
Rep Capito, Shelley Moore [WV-2]
Rep Costello, Jerry F. [IL-12]
Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY]
Rep Davis, David [TN-1]
Rep Davis, Lincoln [TN-4]
Rep Drake, Thelma D. [VA-2]
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2]
Rep English, Phil [PA-3]
Rep Everett, Terry [AL-2]
Rep Hastert, J. Dennis [IL-14]
Rep LaHood, Ray [IL-18]
Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2]
Rep Murphy, Tim [PA-18]
Rep Pickering, Charles W. "Chip" [MS-3]
Rep Rahall, Nick J., II [WV-3]
Rep Rehberg, Dennis R. [MT]
Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5]
Rep Rogers, Mike D. [AL-3]
Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1]
Rep Shimkus, John [IL-19]
Rep Shuster, Bill [PA-9]
Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3]
Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6]
Rep Whitfield, Ed [KY-1]
Rep Wilson, Charles A. [OH-6]
Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3]

Problem #1: Bad Energy Policy

We don't know how to sequester mass quantities of carbon dioxide created during coal liquefaction yet. Even once we figure that process out--a solution that will no doubt reduce the net energy output of the coal to fuel process itself--we've still got a dirty fuel that increases greenhouse emissions compared to petroleum.

Problem #2: Bad Social Policy

The coalfields of West Virginia are a mess. The cycle of rural poverty runs deeper than the veins of rich coal unearthed by generations past. For all of the natural riches extracted from Appalachia, no wealth has remained behind. The colonial extraction economy built on King Coal has been a human, social and environmental failure.

Once, coal mining employed hundreds of thousands of West Virginians. Today--as in so many other sectors of the economy--new methods making workers far more productive. The result is merely record corporate profits with no increase in worker benefits.

At the same time that Mountain Top Removal (MTR) surface mining practices now blight the wild, wonderful beauty of West Virginia, our coal mining employment has been literally decimated--[ http://www.appvoices.org/index.php?/fron tporch/blogposts/mtr_fact_of_the_day_1/ a 90% drop] from 150,000 down to 15,000 workers.

The toll of Mountain Top Removal hits worst, those who can least afford it the least. From Appalachian Voices:

Mountaintop removal involves clear cutting native hardwood forests, using dynamite to blast away as much as 800-1000 feet of mountaintop, and then dumping the waste into nearby valleys, often burying streams. While the environmental devastation caused by this practice is obvious, families and communities near these mining sites are forced to contend with continual blasting from mining operations that can take place up to 300 feet from their homes and operate 24 hours a day. Families and communities near mining sites also suffer from airborne dust and debris, floods that have left hundreds dead and thousands homeless, and contamination of their drinking water supplies.

In central Appalachian counties, which are among the poorest in the nation, homes are frequently the only asset folks have. Mining operations have damaged hundreds of homes beyond repair and the value of homes near a mountaintop removal sites often decrease by as much as 90%. Worst of all, mountaintop removal is threatening not just the people, forest and mountains of central Appalachia, but the very culture of the region. Coal companies frequently claim that mountaintop removal is beneficial for the people, economy and the environment, but the just don't hold up.

Reject the coal surge strategy

Rep. Nick Rahall (WV-03) in a tough spot. [He's one of the driving forces behind this legislation.]

Just about all his district has for an economy is coal. Just about all that coal mining is now mountain top removal. Just about anyone that leaves the district for college never comes back.

The question is, do we double-down on a fossil fuel based coal-economy?
It is a totally tragic situation. Any direction out is going to cause major pain in the short term.

Right now we've got people with poisoned well water, foul air, and a place hardly worth living in a region dependent on coal. Stopping Mountain Top Removal--the right thing to do, in my mind--risks a major economic collapse.

A better way forward

It's time for some new thinking about both the social and environmental solutions for Appalachia and other regions suffering from the negative effects of our fossil-fuel based economy.

The proposed legislation of S.154 and HR.370 is throwing good money after bad. Instead of postponing that day of reckoning, let's figure out how to invest for a more positive future.

I have the audacity to hope for a brighter future for even the least fortunate among us. Can we give the residents of rural coal country drinking water that won't poison their kids, clean air to breath, and a hope that someday their grand-children will have a good-paying job without moving clear across the country? Instead of investing billions of dollars in corporate welfare lets invest that money in helping the least fortunate among us. They've already suffered enough on our behalf.



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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 6)

It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is one of the 12 sponsors of subsidies for this barbaric practice.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 11:20:33 PM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 2)

thanks for the comment. I just noticed you had a diary with the same title, was about to check to see if I needed to delete this one. :-)


by WVaBlue on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 11:24:29 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 3)

Yours was 10x better.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 11:40:59 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 3)

Okay, cool. Yours was first, so I did want to make sure I hadn't stepped on your toes, so to say.

I would have posted mine faster but it took me a while to give up on posting a youtube video here... sigh.


by WVaBlue on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 11:58:20 PM EST
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Thank you to several commenters (3.00 / 4)

Here at MyDD with whom I've discussed this issue over the last week. It helped me figure out what to say in this diary.


by WVaBlue on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 11:25:39 PM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 5)

Great diary. There is a lot more multimedia at End Mountaintop Removal Action and Resource Center (ilovemountains.org) including some streaming video of mountain top removal with local people explaining the effects of the practice.

http://www.ilovemountains.org/multimedia


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by joejoejoe on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 12:18:05 AM EST

I'll be surprised if Gore endorses Obama (3.00 / 2)

given this issue. I think he will steer clear of endorsements.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 01:08:54 AM EST

Re: I'll be surprised if Gore endorses Obama (3.00 / 2)

A case can be made for his endorsing Edwards. He's good on the environmental issues, he's running a carbon neutral campaign and while he voted to authorize force in Iraq he voted against a supplemental funding bill back in 2003 and has been leading on the issue since then whereas Obama hasn't led on the issue since getting to the senate and isn't so great on the environment either.


by Quinton on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 01:51:42 AM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 3)

Sen Obama, Barack [IL]

Not very Green.  I will love to see how his fans explain this one away.

Al Gore is right about Barack Obama.

The audacity to poison our planet is not good enough for me.


by littafi on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 08:58:11 AM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (none / 0)

He is only in favor of coal to liquid using Carbon capture technology.  His policy stance is one of helping the state he represents given Illinois's high coal content with the coal to liquid technique that is the least harmful.  Yes it is still harmful, but he is also only supporting it for the short term while also promoting long term changes and reform.  Its more pragmatic a solution ultimately.  


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 10:52:08 AM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 1)

Obama's bill doesn't require carbon to be captured, it merely encourages it and hands over bags of money. He has a bad position on this, a really bad position.


by Quinton on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 04:15:44 PM EST
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Re: Should not be a partisan issue (3.00 / 3)

This issue should be all about what is good for the planet and not what is economically good for an industry.  Even when something is economically good for an industry doesn't mean it is good for the people in the state. This is not good for Illinois or West Virginia.

$70B invested in green energy would do alot more for sustainable jobs for people and would be better for health and for global warming.  This is being promoted as a bi-partisan effort.  It is the worst of pork barrel politics.  The taxpayers would be subsidizing an industry that is destroying the environment in more than one way.  $70B being ripped off taxpayers is not good fiscal management.  Committing the government to these subsidies to make the environment worse is almost criminal.  My questions is what are the profits anticipated and what are the salaries of the CEOs?

Among the proposed inducements winding through House and Senate committees: loan guarantees for six to 10 major coal-to-liquid plants, each likely to cost at least $3 billion; a tax credit of 51 cents for every gallon of coal-based fuel sold through 2020; automatic subsidies if oil prices drop below $40 a barrel; and permission for the Air Force to sign 25-year contracts for almost a billion gallons a year of coal-based jet fuel.

All senators and congressmen need to be called to stop this bill.  It is unconscionable that anyone who claims environmental concern would even consider this direction.  Obama and the other co-sponsors are not serving their constituency in this, he is serving the corporate interests.  Coal country in the Repub territory. Chicago is liberal and its citizens care about the environment as well.  

The coal lobby has spent millions trying to say not to worry.  We ignore this at our peril and our children's future.


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by pioneer111 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:04:00 AM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 2)

I don't have a problem with the coal mining itself because America has a lot of coal compared to most energy resources and so we should be seeing if we can make it a more useful resource.

However that does not mean we should be subsizining it or allowing the corporations who mine it to not have to pay taxes for the purpose of enviromental renewal after they are gone(One thing I have heard is that the companies have to pay for enviromental renewal, but they just bail out and go bankrupt after the coal has run out).  Also that the loss of capital can be written off in taxes which supports using nonrenewable resources.


by sterra on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 09:51:47 AM EST

I would like to request Sen. Obama to (3.00 / 4)

withdraw his co-sponsorship of th bill and perhaps thinks about this in global terms.

Dear Barack:

The bill's implications are LONG TERM, and from the bar chart, it's quite clear that liquid coal would at best be 4% worse than gasoline. Since the latter is already very bad for human-induced climate change, how can we go for liquid coal as a long term approach?

Might some other avenues be found from research? Sure, it's possible, but why not invest in academic research on that first? The last time we checked, NSF was not getting enough funds ($5 bn all told?). Money on research into better coal derivatives will be better spent on that, it appears to me, from the limited knowledge I have on the subject.

Now, how about local industry and economy needs for the state you represent? Well, no one is asking them to shutdown the existing plants. Until we have an overall global warming abatement package that address all the aspects including job considerations in the next (Gore?) administration, let them keep doing for another 1.5 yrs what they've been doing for decades.

We should solve these problems with a global perspective.

Very bad move politically as well.

As things stand, unless either Gore jumps into the  race or endorses one of the non-HRC candidates, Hillary has a firm grip on the nomination. Gore apparently will not find this co-sponsorship very endearing.

Therefore, unless you ultimate goal is to become Hillary's VP or to stay a senator for IL, this was not a good move from a 2008 stand point at all.

I have no idea what Hillary would do on this bill. But, my conjecture is that she'll trump you by voting no. If I may get a bit speculative, if she is "listening" to the coal industry (I don't know if she is or not), maybe she'll even ensure behind the scenes that the bill itself will pass, but she looks good on paper by voting no. A win-win approach for her. Case closed.

For these reasons, my sincere advice and request is to withdraw your co-sponsorship of this bill, which on top your vote for the 2005 energy bill, is proving you standing on environmental issues to be quite poor.

Thanks and best regards.
-NL


by NuevoLiberal on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 01:02:26 PM EST

Please excuse the typos above. (none / 0)


by NuevoLiberal on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 03:03:37 PM EST
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Re: Please excuse the typos above. (3.00 / 3)

Excused ;)

I'm glad to see you call out the golden boy when you disagree with him.  I expect the same from Edwards supporters.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 03:32:11 PM EST
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Re: Please excuse the typos above. (3.00 / 1)

Couldn't you just say Call out Obama, instead of acting like an ass and using words like golden boy...  you come off like a complete piece of crap when you do that shit.  Your sentiments are one thing, the insulting language you throw out there at every chance you get is quite another.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:23 AM EST
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writing to Obama (3.00 / 2)

My experience is he (or his office) does not respond to letters criticizing his positions, even if you identify yourself as a donor to his 2004 Senate campaign (as I did in my very mildly worded letter on another subject last year).

(And now his campaign has the "audacity" to send me fundraising letters!)


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by Jim in Chicago on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 04:27:16 PM EST
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Its hard to withdraw now (none / 0)

since he just recently reintroduced it and is head of the CFL group in the Senate.


by okamichan13 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 10:33:27 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 3)

This is a clear cut example that a "new brand of politics" apparently values special interests over public interests.  That sounds a lot like an "OLD brand of politics" to me.  

This has far reaching implications to discredit the whole idea of him being a different type of politician.  I hope that he withdraws co-sponsorship too, because I think Obama is much better than this.  He's just falling into the trap that every well-intentioned politician has fallen into when they get to DC.  This isn't at all surprising given the current landscape there.  What is surprising is this action given his fierce rhetoric about supposedly going to DC to change that landscape.  

Everyone runs a campaign saying their going to change Washington DC.  Then when they get there, the only thing that changes is them.  It's sad, really.


by cesar on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 02:03:28 PM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (none / 0)

I'm confused.  The bill gives money for research on liquid coal technology.  It doesn't say specifically "Turn coal into liquid so it can still be used in cars while it is ineffective."  

Assumed response:
"Tell that to Schweitzer!"

We didn't land on the moon the first time did we?  A state didn't run the apollo program either.  Montana is also a very small state population wise.  How much can they really dedicate into finding a way to enhance liquid coal technology?  Probably not much.  If it doesn't work, there's no strings to force it on cars, like people keep drawing.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 03:49:20 PM EST

Re: money is not for research (3.00 / 5)

They are not just asking to do research, in fact that is not the major cost to taxpayers.

Among the proposed inducements winding through House and Senate committees: loan guarantees for six to 10 major coal-to-liquid plants, each likely to cost at least $3 billion; a tax credit of 51 cents for every gallon of coal-based fuel sold through 2020; automatic subsidies if oil prices drop below $40 a barrel; and permission for the Air Force to sign 25-year contracts for almost a billion gallons a year of coal-based jet fuel.

This is corporate raiding of our treasury when we are deep in debt and it increases pollution.  We don't have the technology to build clean plants yet and we would be tied into 25-year contracts. These are just some of the details.  

Research is needed first. I might be willing to go for research, but that is not what the bill is about.

Can you imagine what we could do if we invested $70B in clean green energy projects?  

This is not about one election.  This is about the quality of our lives vs. corporate profits.


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by pioneer111 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 04:40:08 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 3)

My intention is not to attack Obama (who I like very much), BUT...

How does one explain his co-sponsorship of this bill? Why, in the middle of the most important campaign of his life, and at a time when environmental issues are front and center, would he attach his name to something so dubious?

There must be a legitimate explanation... right?


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by LandStander on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 03:54:25 PM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 2)

Illinois has very large reserves of the "dirty" coal--high in sulfur--which would be used.  He did it for jobs in his state.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 03:56:51 PM EST
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Another possible reason (3.00 / 2)

Barack's mentor in the Illinois State Senate -- Senate President Emile Jones, is a great friend to -- and recipient of $ from -- power companies in Illinois. Someone should check and see if Obama cultivated a similar relationship with ComEd, etc. while under Jones's tutilege.


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by Jim in Chicago on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 04:31:29 PM EST
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Possibly similar (3.00 / 1)

to all the support he has received and continues to receive from the nuclear industry in Illinois.


by okamichan13 on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 10:32:12 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (none / 0)

I don't think that this is an enviromental issue personally considering how our cars currently are compared to the rest of the world we have much bigger enviromental problems to tackle.  

To use programming terms that isn't the enviromental  bottleneck and either way it won't really make a difference.

That being said I suspect a big reason would be that we have a lot of coal.  Its our big energy resource.

My problem is more fundamentally with huge subsidies to the energy industry.  We should be getting rid of subsidies to large industries, not having more.

I like Obama too, but its because I think he is the best of the three.  Not because I think he is perfect on every issue.


by sterra on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 05:03:41 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (none / 0)

Why would Gore endorse anyone. He's going to run! ;-)


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by Alex Urevick on Sun Jun 03, 2007 at 07:59:11 PM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 1)

Just a suggestion on the title to this wonderful blog:

"Al Gore - 'A horrible mistake'" looked like it was going to be an anti-Gore blog.  I know we are liberal intellectuals here, but have we given up on considering stylistic framing altogether?


"ex nihilo nihil fit"
by Lassallean on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 10:56:33 AM EST

Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (none / 0)

Lassallean -- That's a fair question. I quite intentionally chose the title to be provocative and attention getting. Both people who like Gore and people who dislike Al Gore are attracted to read the diary.

The unfortunate reality is putting "coal", "mountain top removal" or "Appalachia" in a diary title is generally a kiss of death--I'd be preaching to a small choir.

If I had put Obama in the title the risk would be even higher the discussion would denegrate into primary battles. I intentionally did not write an "Obama diary"--I didn't want to label it as such, either.

I'm quite open to suggestions, is there a different title you would recommend?


by WVaBlue on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 05:51:29 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 1)

I think the title was fine


by Quinton on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 06:08:48 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 1)

It was an excellent title.  Caught my attention and got me ready to fight since I think Gore is terrific.  However it did focus on the issue.  And it is important that we look at long range outcomes in this case.  With pressure I'm sure that the senate can put this legislation aside and get more information. Perhaps it can die on its own.  

This is one of those bi-partisan bills I do not want to see pass.


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by pioneer111 on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 06:10:52 PM EST
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Re: Al Gore - "A horrible mistake" (3.00 / 1)

I was just thinking about how skillful the right-wing-language-wringer is at taking phrases out of context.  

"Gore Blasts Sooty Senators"?

... is this thing on?

(chirp) (chirp) (chirp)


"ex nihilo nihil fit"
by Lassallean on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 10:46:24 PM EST
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