Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum

This coverage is sponsored by AFSCME, one of the largest and fastest growing unions in the United States representing over 1.4 million employees, primarily in local and state government and in the health care industry.

While Jerome is over at Take Back America, I'm down the street at the second presidential being put on by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. (For my coverage of the previous AFSCME forum for MyDD, click here.) Confirmed candidates include Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson, and today's moderator is Chris Matthews. The format is a 3-minute opening statement, 12 minutes of questions and then a 2-minute closing statement.

Candidate writeups below the fold.

Today's first candidate is Bill Richardson. Iraq, he says, is the most important issue facing America, and he has the clearest position -- withdrawal of all American forces through negotiations. Congress has been too weak on Iraq, and were he there he would push for legislation to defund deauthorize the war this calendar year. Richardson also says he has been the best governor for labor, that he would appoint a union member as Secretary of Labor, and that he supports legislation like the Employee Free Choice Act.

The first question comes on a specific exit strategy. Richardson underscores that he would leave no residual forces in Iraq -- this is what makes him differ from other candidates, he says. Troops should be redeployed to Kuwait, etc. Matthews' second question comes on Joe Lieberman's support for "limited military action" against Iran. Richardson says he opposes this, that he would use a word unused by the current administration: "diplomacy." In quick responses, Richardson says he is for card check, is opposed to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", and is in favor of collective bargaining for TSA and Homeland Security. On the question of pensions, Richardson says that he would reform bankruptcy laws to protect pensions and says that he believes Social Security needs to be buttressed, to which he adds there should be a nationwide, universal 401k. On privatization, Richardson explains that he will not support the privatization of public jobs. On a question of taxes, Richardson says that he would allow the President's to end in 2010, but that he is a different type of Democrat -- he cuts taxes. What's more, he says that there should be a balanced budget amendment, that there should be an end to corporate welfare, earmaks should be ended, the money spent on Iraq should be spent domestically and the salaries of the President and Congress should be dependent on cutting the deficit. The next question comes on CEO salaries. Richardson demurs on the call to allow shareholder votes on CEO salaries, but says that there should be less disparity between wages. On the question of Arnold Schwarzenegger's opposition to Spanish language television, Richardson says he disagrees, noting he is the only Hispanic candidate in the race, but then turns to say that there should be support for education. To the question of whether there should be impeachment hearings for Alberto Gonzales, Richardson says the AG should resign and the Department of Justice should not be politicized. Richardson opposes Libby pardon, supports teaching of evolution in public schools. Final question on Social Security, Richardson says he would oppose privatization, stop raiding the trust fund, tie the trust fund to the budget, grow the economy. In closing remarks, Richardson notes support for abortion rights, opposition to Guantanamo, and support for Kyoto, among other things.

The next candidate is Dennis Kucinich. His opening remarks focuses on piece of mind, talking about nationwide universal single-payer healthcare.

Matthews first question: where are the big ideas in the Democratic Party? Kucinich goes through his Iraq policy, his environmental policies (which he says will grow the economy), and his healthcare policy. The next quesiton is on pension security, to which Kucinich responds that workers should not lose their pensions when a private equity firm buys out a public company. Matthews then asks about the decline of small industrial towns in the Rust Belt. Kucinich says that he would cancel NAFTA and the WTO and go back to bilateral trade. Kucinich once again calls for changing US trade policy in response to a question about outsourcing. The next question is on the cheap insourcing of labor; Kucinich says there need to be strict labor laws, better trade policy, but that immigrants shouldn't be blamed. On Iraq, Kucinich states opposition to war (since before the war). Matthews follows up to ask where the foreign troops would come from. Kucinich refocuses on need to end war, also supporting reparations for Iraqis. In closing remarks, Kucinich speaks to need for universal healthcare, stating he is the only candidate to support a single-payer system.

Candidate number three is Hillary Clinton. Clinton begins by speaking to importance of unions, and AFSCME in particular, in strengthening America and the middle class. She notes her support for the Employee Free Choice Act. With growth in productivity, workers should not be left behind.

Matthews first question is on a specific exit strategy. Clinton says that we should begin withdrawing troops right now, that the American soldiers have done their jobs but the Iraqi politicians have not. If Iraqis don't meet standards like an oil law, funding for them should be cut. Finally she says there should be diplomacy in the region. "If the President doesn't end our involvement in Iraq... I will" (close paraphrase). On a follow up question on residual forces, Clinton indicates support for a continuing American military presence in Iraq to fight Al Qaeda, protect the Kurds, stave off the Iranians, protect US interests (like the embassy) and perhaps train Iraqis. But no permanent bases, no Korean model. Responding to Rudy Giuliani's call for more American troops in Iraq, Clinton says there aren't more to send. Turning, she focuses on need to serve America's veterans. The next question again comes on Lieberman's support for attack on Iran. Clinton says that we do need to protect our troops (in Iraq from Iranian involvement), but that there needs to be engagement with Iran. Clinton would have no response to a possible pardon of Scooter Libby. Matthews follows up, but AFSCME people complain from the audience he's asking that question, so Matthews asks about the importance of card check. Clinton says that there used to be card check, that the balance should not be tilted against labor. Clinton seems to go 90 percent towards joining Richardson in supporting a union person for Labor Secretary. On NAFTA, Clinton says there was some good but also some bad. Also says that some of the problems attributed to NAFTA -- like jobs going to Canada -- are actually caused by lower healthcare costs North of the border. On the question of restoring American cities and American families, Clinton says that workers should get the skills and training for the jobs of the 21st century -- not just college skills, but also mechanics and the like. Clinton also says there should not be tax cuts for corporations that outsource jobs, that a new energy policy could bring some jobs, and healthcare costs need to come down. Clinton says there should be an end to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," that TSA/HSA employees should have bargaining rights. Matthews asks if he "can ask a frikkin' question" on evolution. "A science class should be about science," says Clinton; leave philosophy for philosophy classes. "I can believe in both faith and science." In her closing statement, Clinton harkens back to the last administration without literally referencing it, saying that America can do better and has done better. Calls for government transparency, more affordable college, universal kindergarten.

The fourth candidate on the stage is John Edwards. Edwards speaks to importance of unions. His parents, family have healthcare because of unions. He has worked to organize workers into unions across the country, including a local of AFSCME. America, he says, needs a President who will speak to the importance of unions, who supports card check, who supports ban of permanent replacement workers.

The first question is what the minimum wage should be; $7.50 today, he says. On NAFTA, Edwards says, there needs to be changes. Edwards says there should be a renewal of the social contract that has been whittled down, a social contract that ensures healthcare rights, workers' rights, a right to education, etc. Edwards supports card check, and explains how important the Employee Free Choice Act is. In response to a question from Matthews, Edwards says that he is not concerned about intimidation by union members. Edwards supports TSA/HSA collective bargaining rights, end to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." Edwards notes opposition to privatization of public jobs. On CEO pay, Edwards indicates support for shareholder say in executive salaries. Matthews asks about exit strategy; Edwards says that he would withdraw 40,000-50,000 troops immediately, draw down more troops subsequently over 10 months, then engage in diplomacy inside and outside of Iraq. Edwards seems to indicate support for a residual force in Iraq by not opposing it, but focuses on troops in Kuwait, possibly Jordan and elsewhere; troops should remain to protect the embassy. From a union member via Matthews, where are the grand ideas in the Democratic Party. Edwards says universal healthcare, energy independence, fighting global warming, and fighting poverty (here and elsewhere). America should once again be seen as a force for good, he says, noting that he would close Guantanamo on his first day as President. On Katrina, would it have been different is the President had shown up with water, Matthews asks? Yes, Edwards says. President should have prepared for this, but there should have been presidential leadership and planning. Notes that he brought 700 college students down to do rebuilding in New Orleans. In closing remarks, Edwards says that there needs to be a President dedicated to giving Americans a chance. Also says that there should be a candidate who can campaign in Kentucky, Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina, etc.

The next candidate is Barack Obama, who appears to get the loudest response from the crowd. Obama talks about organizing 150,000 new voters in 1992 with AFSCME. Also talks about need for universal healthcare, right to unionize through cardcheck, a new energy plan and an end to the Iraq War (notes his opposition to war from the start).

Matthews first question is on how this was a bad decision, not just a badly-implemented plan. Obama lays out his case for opposing the war at the beginning. Says "we need to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in," that a phased redeployment needs to begin. "It is time for us to bring our troops home." On the next question, Obama says that the problem with this President is that he is too wedded to ideology, that the facts do not conform with his beliefs. This is as true about Iraq as it is tax cuts and the economy; increases in the stock market aren't going to lift all Americans. Matthews says that Obama sounds like Bobby Kennedy, but wonders about Obama's call to end some of those old fights. Obama says that he will fight, but we also need to win some fights, get the Independents on our side. "George W. Bush has been a good advertisement for the Democratic Party," he says. Talks about, for instance, coming together to raise fuel economy standards to 40-45 mpg, which would end need for foreign oil. But there should not be compromise on workers' rights to organize, right to education, on civil rights, on retirement rights. Matthews asks if Obama will be a Hubert Humphrey (restriction of trade) or Bill Clinton (free-trade) Democrat, and Obama says he won't want to lose like Humphrey. "I believe in trade," he says, but there need to be labor standards, environmental standards -- and standards that are enforced -- and that there needs to be a Department of Labor, not a Department of Employers. Flubs name of Employee Free Choice Act for a moment, but notes support for card check and then gets name of legislation correct. In closing statement, Obama says he needs support of the grassroots, that he needs a movement around the country; notes large crowds, numbers of supporters. Also hits on key themes like Iraq, healthcare, etc.


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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

MSNBC is NOT showing Bill Richardson.  Instead they have Joe Scarborough making silly remarks about the little clips they do show of Richardson, THAT IS NOT GOOD COVERAGE by MSNBC.


by vamonticello on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:33:11 AM EST

thanks for this (none / 0)

I don't have TV and was curios if there was anywhere to watch it live..

let me know if they actually show any candidates.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:35:52 AM EST
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Re: thanks for this (none / 0)

I don't believe there is a live stream of this event. But you can follow along in this thread.


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by Jonathan Singer on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:41:37 AM EST
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will Tweety ask HIllary about Penn? (none / 0)

I hope someone brings it up


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:42:20 AM EST
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will Tweety ask HIllary about Penn? (none / 0)

I hope too

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by Glen on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 11:16:04 AM EST
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it's really unfair (3.00 / 2)

obama, clinton, and edwards are gonna be shown

i'm an edwards guy but the unequal treatment shoud make every dem angry, i think the netroots should make this an issue--equal time for all the candidates.


by david mizner on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:57:26 AM EST
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On kos (none / 0)

they said they did eventually show clips of Richardson


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:00:48 AM EST
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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

Richardson noted support for abortion rights,yet commented on creating a national policy to reduce abortions... wish he had time to elaborate.


by rochellerobinson on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:53:42 AM EST

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I heard him speak about abortion last night a small fundraiser and he said essentially the Clinton line that he believes abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. He has a "first six days" plan, which if you hear it, could bring tears to your eyes. The idea of swiftly moving to restore important American values -- like habeus corpus -- and depoliticizing the personal (equal rights, like marriage) and the medical (including abortion, but also access to the Federal plan for the uninsured, and a plan for veterans) makes me wonder anew what happened to my country.

Bill's not perfect, but he is authentic, and he clearly advocated for the right to choose when he spoke last night.


by kate for dean on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:24:41 PM EST
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blame the iraqis (none / 0)

after bombing them into the stone age. less electricity and less oil than before we invaded...

I hope someone picks up on that.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:04:32 AM EST

It was disgusting (none / 0)

Hillary says Iraqis need "to decide to stop killing each other."

"Yes, my friends, it's been a blast slaughtering each other, but I do think it's time we decided to stop this fun."


by david mizner on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:42:03 PM EST
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Some good things, the union vote is the eraly primary swing vote. Richardson is positioning self for a shot at VP.

He needs to state his foreign policy experience more, the lack of diplomacy is what got us into untenable occupations.

We won the "war" when Saddam was out of office, Mission Accomplished anyone? Bush said he was not into nationbuilding then proved he is a failure at it.

Let's get out of Iraq, the demand for rebuilding will be met by the market. Let business do business, we've got items in Afghanistan to address.

Four of the top five states in the most recent of prominent states on the verge of capitulation all surround Saudi Arabia.

If they want to follow client state status they had best limit their ties to regional destabilizing factors.

That would include insurgents in one of our war theaters and African states beset with state genocide sponsors and terror actors across the Red Sea.

Almost every major state currently seen unstable is around Saudi Arabia.


Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:06:16 AM EST

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Kucinich has been right most of all the persons to run for office.

The corporations will not let him run, but he does expand the debate on all conversations crucial to what we must make policy, especially at home.


Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:12:50 AM EST

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Clinton sides with the oil bid interests for Iraq. Follow the money.

She's running on  John Kerry platform- to the right of all other Dems and even Bush.

The Embassy in Iraq is a permanent base. Does she not recognize that fact?


Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:16:27 AM EST

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I wasn't a huge fan of John Kerry, in the primaries or general...but since when did he run to the left of Bush on anything?

To the right of other Democrats?

You crazy like Kucinich.


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:59:28 PM EST
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correction, "run to the right of Bush"


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:39:03 PM EST
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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

The argument to expand troops numbers to the levels Shinseki said were necessery there was not to the right of Bush?


Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:13:09 PM EST
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JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

to Hillary when you get a chance.

Did she refuse to answer it?


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:30:43 AM EST

Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

She indicated that she thought enough people were talking about it, she didn't need to add her voice to the debate. Matthews said this was a political answer, tried to follow up before union members heckled him until he asked another more policy-focused question.


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by Jonathan Singer on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:37:12 AM EST
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I'm surprised no one (none / 0)

else wanted to answer that.

I think Tweety asked it because Carville wrote a letter asking for Libby to get off, and Bush said he's "fire" anyone involved with the leak.

I'm not sure why she couldn't say yes or no


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:51:57 AM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

I think I am more troubled by union members heckling him. If they did not want Libby related questions, they should have discussed the scope of the questions before the questioning. Why not put the burden on the candidate? Why weren;t the union members angry at Hillary for not answering a simple question right away and moving on to the next question.


by Pravin on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:13:05 AM EST
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I suspect the union members (none / 0)

don't know things like Penn and his history, nor do they realize that Hillary's biggest supporters (carville et al.) are writing letters on Libby's behalf.

This exchange epitomizes are problems with the electorates - they rarely know all the details and it's too easy for candidates to avoid answering the meat of a question.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:17:52 AM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

I suspect some union members are clinton plants--there to help her when necessary.


by aiko on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:40:38 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

And I have this nifty theory they're really disguised space aliens from the planet Vega--to take our union workers.

Do you have anything to base this suspicion on? anything?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 03:57:35 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

I can't say that I feel bad for Tweety.  It wasn't the right time to heckle, but Tweety deserves all the heckling he gets.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:07:12 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

I have no fondness for Chris Matthews. But I find it annoying when people bitch about the press when they do not do their job, but bitch about them as too hard when they actually do their job. We get the press we deserve.


by Pravin on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:27:50 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

Did he lead with anything like "Senator Clinton, one of your top advisors and fundraisers, James Carville (who also acts as a supposedly neutral commentator on CNN), has sent a letter calling for the pardon of Scooter Libby.  Do you think Scooter Libby should be pardoned as well?"


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:40:28 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (3.00 / 1)

And further, did anyone ask Hillary, "Senator Clinton, your top advisor has made hundreds of thousands, if not millions, off of running a union-busting operation.  How do you think the working men and women of AFSCME and other unions would react if they knew that you were running a campaign directed by a union-buster?"

These are the kinds of questions that relate directly to how someone would govern.  Haircuts and hedge-fund employment are issues that do not - they are pure horserace politics.  But voters deserve to know about the big issues...journalists have a responsibility to bring those kinds of issues to the fore.


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:43:09 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

Soon as Edwards explains his yes vote on the Bankruptcy Bill that helped expedite outsourcing...


Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:15:58 PM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

I'm confused what bill you're talking about. Wasn't the Bankruptcy Bill passed in 2005, after Edwards left the Senate?


by Flax on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:43:41 AM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

Woops! Looks like Edwards voted for some earlier incarnation of it (?)  In 2005 Edwards blogged about the bankruptcy bill at TPM and apologized:


Like a lot of Democrats, I voted for a bankruptcy reform bill before. I can't say it more simply than this: I was wrong.

The bill is supposed to crack down on irresponsible borrowers. That's the right thing to do. The problem is that this bill imposes big burdens on families who did everything right but went broke just because they lost a job or lost their health insurance. And, even more than the legislation I supported, this bill doesn't crack down on the real abusers.


by Flax on Wed Jun 20, 2007 at 05:48:42 AM EST
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Re: JOnathan - clarify the Libby question (none / 0)

I am not aware that HRC was asked about Mark Penn, or Carville's stupidity.


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 08:15:12 PM EST
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"Clinton seems to go 90 percent towards joining Richardson in supporting a union person for Labor Secretary."

Union leaders are going to love this one.  


by georgep on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:34:16 AM EST

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This is an important role, not doubt.  But I'm more concerned about who Clinton (or Obama for that matter) would appoint as Secretary of the Treasury and to the Council of Economic Advisors.

Bob Reich was Clinton I's labor secretary, and we all know who won the majority of policy debates.  Hint: it wasn't the secretary of labor.

I hope union-members ask of Democratic candidates more than contractual politics like this and that they demand that Democrats lead on labor issues.  


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:02:01 PM EST
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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

How much you wanna bet the Repub Talking head on MSNBC says Hillary was more Presidential and beat the others.


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:11:05 AM EST

I imagine (none / 0)

they're not going to get on why Hillary couldn't answer a yes or no question on pardoning libby...

the embarrassment to her supporters who wan't libby pardoned (e.g. carville and matlin) or the embarrasment of the VRWC revisiting Bill Clinton's pardon's for comparison purposes?


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:12:48 AM EST
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Re: I imagine (none / 0)

She didn't even want to touch it....especially the fact about perjury in front of a Grand Jury...like Bubba did.  


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:16:36 AM EST
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Re: I imagine (3.00 / 2)

What's up with this non-stop obsession with hatin' hillary? I am skipping over your comments most of the time because I am getting tired of constant attack in every post of yours. Bring something else to the discussion just to keep it interesting. Write something positive about your candidate or democrats in general. We all know you don't like hillary.


by rakk12 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:21:01 AM EST
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this exchange typifies what (3.00 / 1)

we can expect with Hillary as the nominee.

why would trade or anything else be different from the Libby non-answer.

You either don't get it or don't want to get  it.  There's too much baggage and too many ties to groups that would prevent her from governing in a progressive manner.

you can't take tons of money from corporate lobbyists and PACs and than work against them.  


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:23:45 AM EST
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all the earmarks (none / 0)

that Hillary made for NY defense contractors are another example.

these guys contribute to her campaign, she makes earmarks for the military industrial complex.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:26:56 AM EST
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Re: this exchange typifies what (none / 0)

Oh shut up.

The only reason we hear it if Clinton is the nominee is because you're writing it.  You're part of the problem.  Get over your Clinton obsession for crissakes.  She's not stupid - if the crowd saves her from answering a question I'm sure she wouldn't go out of her way to make an ass of herself.  The entire display showed that she did have friends in the audience, and I'm sure she wasn't going to ruin that by interrupting.


by Conquest on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:38:34 PM EST
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Yep....of course she did...Repubs are begging for Clinton.


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush?.... WTF
by rbrianj on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:13:25 AM EST
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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

Chuck Todd said it already.

Why bother watch the debates when the talking heads will automatically say that "Hillary was Presidential" or that "Hillary has her A game."


"If you vote between the lesser of two evils, you're still stuck with evil." - Aaron MacGruder
by Nedsdag on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:30:03 PM EST
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Man, I'm so over Richardson's use of "I'm not like other Dems, I CUT taxes" line. He's been doing this for months, distinguishing himself by bashing Democrats using a rightwing frame.


by Todd Beeton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 11:02:17 AM EST

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Clinton's response on a residual force:

On a follow up question on residual forces, Clinton indicates support for a continuing American military presence in Iraq to fight Al Qaeda, protect the Kurds, stave off the Iranians, protect US interests (like the embassy) and perhaps train Iraqis. But no permanent bases, no Korean model.

This sounds like a continuing military combat presence in IRAQ. Pentagon estimates(recently) WOULD BE 40,000 American troops to carry out the above mission's.

Does anybody think it is good policy to have an american military occupation of an Arab country?


by BDM on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 11:13:19 AM EST
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Hillary's a hawk (none / 0)

probably the only honest thing tweety says about her.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 11:29:21 AM EST
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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

You and me both.  Self-aggrandizement at the expense of the progressive movement should be a banishable offense.


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:03:21 PM EST
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exactly


by Todd Beeton on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 03:02:40 PM EST
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Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

Sounds to me like Hillary did very well today!


by samueldem on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 11:47:02 AM EST

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Great job!


by aiko on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 12:44:09 PM EST

Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (none / 0)

Obama:

there needs to be a Department of Labor, not a Department of Employers.

Great line.

Thanks for bringing these summaries.


by Doug Dilg on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:27:35 PM EST

Re: Blogging the AFSCME Presidential Forum (3.00 / 2)

Here's my thing about labor and the presidential candidates.  I think it's pretty clear who has been the most forceful advocate for labor, who's done the most for labor and working families, and who is most committed to the same goals as the labor movement.  He's been out on picket lines, organized workers, negotiated contracts, worked for minimum wage increases, campaigned for pro-labor Dems, brought a social justice and labor perspective to the realms of the industrialists, and started a center focused on poverty and working class issues.  

When Democrats like Obama, Richardson, and Clinton talk about labor (and a lot of other issues), I hear things like "I support that legislation," and then I think "of course you do, you want union votes."

Then I see someone like John Edwards out busting ass on behalf of the labor movement because he gets it, he gets us, and he's not just going to count on our votes and our activism, he's going to stand with us when it matters - and most importantly, he's included us as a major part of his vision for where this country can and should be, and how we get there.  


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by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:38:27 PM EST

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I'm sorry, you're right, Obama only gives it lip service.  How could I have been so blind?  Organizing 150,000 voters for AFSCME doesn't actually mean anything.  Neither does any of the other work he has done with unions as a community organizer.

I'm all for calling people out by name when you want to say something about them, but try to have your facts straight.


by Obama08 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 01:59:22 PM EST
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What has he offered in the way of a substantive vision for opportunity and work, and a shared prosperity economy, that puts workers first?  Where has been in advancing the idea of the labor movement?


Help build a stronger and more progressive Democratic Party from the grassroots on up
by Peter from WI on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 04:19:20 PM EST
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In Illinois State Senate:

   * Protected overtime pay. Obama was the chief sponsor of the law that exempts Illinois from the Bush Administration's new federal overtime rules and protects overtime pay for thousands of Illinois workers. [SB 1645, 2004]
    * Provided a living wage. Obama voted to increase the minimum wage to $6.50 an hour. [SB600, 2003]
    * Worked to ensure advance notice for workers. Obama sponsored the law that requires the monitoring of employer compliance with federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification laws, so that workers have advance warning if their employer is about to conduct a mass lay-off or close their plant.. [SB0062, 2001]

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_O bama_Jobs.htm


by Obama08 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 05:37:09 PM EST
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"He said he opposes provisions governing a temporary worker program in part because the program would create a class of workers unable to unionize."

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_60387 25?nclick_check=1

"We need a Free Choice Act so workers can organize without intimidation," declared Obama. "We need an NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) that is friendly not just to managers," and "we need a president who doesn't choke saying the word Union."

http://www.goiam.org/content.cfm?cID=106 21


by Obama08 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 05:57:19 PM EST
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First, we need to ensure that everyone who is willing to work can find a job. Since South Carolina has lost 83,000 manufacturing jobs in the last six years and 60,000 more people are out of work, this certainly isn't easy. But it's a promise we have to keep in this country.

So, for those Americans who have been searching unsuccessfully for employment, I will invest $50 million in programs that will place willing workers into transitional jobs and train them for permanent ones.

These programs have already proven to be highly successful in the many communities that have tried them. People get the chance to work in a community service-type job, earn a paycheck every week, and learn the skills they need for gainful employment. And by leaving with references and a resume, often times they find that employment.

Still, even for those workers who do find a permanent job, many times there is no way for them to advance their careers once they're in those jobs. That's why we'll also work with community organizations and businesses to create career pathways that provide workers with the additional skills and training they need to earn more money and keep climbing up that ladder to middle-class security. Unions and various communities have done this quite successfully, and this program would build on that model.

The second step we'll take to strengthen families is to ensure that working Americans are not impoverished Americans.

One of the most successful anti-poverty programs in history has been the Earned Income Tax Credit - additional income that lifts nearly 5 million Americans out of poverty every year. As President, I will double the number of single workers who receive the EITC and triple the benefit for full-time workers making the minimum wage, from the $175 they get today to $555.

And instead of waiting every ten years for Congress to fight over raising the minimum wage, I will finally make the minimum wage a living wage by permanently indexing it to inflation so that it actually pays the bills.

The third step we'll take to strengthen families is to give them the support they need to raise their children.

As President, I'll start by passing the plan I outlined last year that would make it easier for fathers who make the responsible choice and harder for those who avoid it. It's a plan that would remove some of the financial penalties the government currently imposes on married couples, cut out the red tape to ensure that every dime of child support goes directly to children instead of bureaucrats, and provide fathers who are paying their child support an even larger EITC benefit. This plan would also crack down on those who avoid their responsibility by increasing child-support enforcement, a measure that will collect nearly $13 billion in payments that can help raise, nurture, and educate children.

We should also help new mothers with their new responsibilities. There is a pioneering Nurse-Family Partnership program right now that offers home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income mothers and mothers-to-be. They learn how to care for themselves before the baby is born and what to do after. They are counseled on substance abuse, creating and achieving personal goals, and effective methods of nurturing children.

Where it's been tried, this program reduced childhood injuries and unintended pregnancies, increased father involvement and women's employment, reduced use of welfare and food stamps, and increased children's school readiness. And it produced more than $28,000 in net savings for every high-risk family enrolled in the program. As President, I will expand the Nurse-Family Partnership to provide at-home nurse visits for up to 570,000 first-time mothers each year.

My plan would also support families with children by expanding the Child Tax Credit to an additional 600,000 more Americans, who would receive $1,000 per child. And for all those families where both parents work and don't know what to do when their child has to stay home sick for the day, my plan guarantees every worker seven paid days of sick leave each year.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/15/re marks_of_senator_barack_obam_15.php


by Obama08 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 05:58:16 PM EST
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hmmmmm...
"Organizing 150,000 voters for AFSCME doesn't actually mean anything.  Neither does any of the other work he has done with unions as a community organizer."

can you provide links to this claim?


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud" ...Arlo Guthrie
by DenverD on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:09:36 PM EST

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Maybe you'd be interested in reading the speech he gave to the
AFSCME National Convention last August:

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/08/07/af scme_national_convention.php


by Doug Dilg on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:21:31 PM EST
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A majority of workers would join a union if given the choice. Now, the choice is buck the pressure from your employer or keep your head down and keep your job.


by mrobinsong on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:13:02 PM EST

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of course my challenge was to Obama 08 ...that made a claim that not even a feeble google will support...


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud" ...Arlo Guthrie
by DenverD on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:15:55 PM EST

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I think he was referring to the summary of Obama's address above:

The next candidate is Barack Obama, who appears to get the loudest response from the crowd. Obama talks about organizing 150,000 new voters in 1992 with AFSCME


by Doug Dilg on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:24:40 PM EST
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That was specifically what I was referring too, but I admit that I was mistaken when I said, "the other work he has done with unions as a community organizer."  I thought that I had read that he worked with labor and unions when he was a community organizer in South Chicago, however I cannot at this point find where I had read it.


by Obama08 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:45:38 PM EST
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Iran is the solution, Rice is trying to go along with BakerHalmiton and normalize so they can be boots on the ground. We can then redeploy and provide logistial air support to their ability to work better solutions on the ground.

Bush's WH schism is Condi and Baker elements of old(current outsiders) and Cheney/Sauds.

He's afraid to call on Iran knowing how Israel would respond... but everything we've seen indicate they are the direction to go.

China owns our currency, pays for this war, and is in Iran's market thanks to our isolationist rhetoric. The next step is engagement. Then we do traditional client state manipulations regionally.


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by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:23:42 PM EST

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Baker-Hamilton* They stressed regional solutions. That would include Iran. Engagement with Iran would greatly leverage wrld oil markets to an extent that alone may fuel a recovery in the economy on fuel prices.

That coupled with wage gains at the minimum would help increase revenues as well. This would allow for a moderate tax cut hourly scale workers, which is a majority of the tax base...


Conyers is America's Conscience.
by Mr Murder on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 02:28:49 PM EST

Not that it was a surprised (none / 0)

but this is a nice reminder that all Dems are lightyears ahead of the Republicans in terms of good policies.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 04:40:59 PM EST

Just watched it on hardball. (none / 0)

I will post it on youtube.

Obama made a killing.  Man was he inspirational.


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by lovingj on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 05:42:56 PM EST

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Ari Berman writing on The Nation today:


The "big three" Democratic presidential candidates--Clinton, Edwards, Obama--got a chance to court organized labor today at a forum sponsored by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), the largest union in the AFL-CIO, with 1.4 million members.

Edwards, the candidate who most obviously identifies with the labor movement, and Clinton, the prohibitive front-runner, both held their own and entered and exited to respectable applause. But it was Obama, who at times has struggled before labor audiences like the fighfighters union, who stole the show. Even the National Review said he "blew the doors off the Marriott Wardman Park ballroom."

All three candidates more or less outlined similar priorities, stressing their determination to pass labor-friendly policies like the Employee Free Choice Act and universal healthcare, explain the importance of unions to the American people and end the war in Iraq.

But Obama pitched himself as the one who could reach across the aisle and capture the independent and disaffected Republican voters needed to create majority support for lasting progressive change, through a "a new kind of politics" that is "not timid, not small, not divisive, not simply based on trying to get power, but based on how do we build the America we all dream of." And "if people disagree, and we can't persuade `em," Obama said, "then we just have to beat 'em, and that's what we're gonna do in this election." Moderator Chris Matthews compared him to Bobby Kennedy, saying he sounded "like the Sixties at its absolute best."

Obama also had the strongest personal connection with the hundreds of activists in the crowd, noting his work with AFSCME as a community organizer in Illinois registering new voters, raising the minimum wage as a state legislator and helping to organize workers at Chicago hospitals. He called for a "Department of Labor that actually understands it's the Department of Labor and not the Department of Management."

With a large number of African-American members and strong presence in Illinois, AFSCME should be a natural constituency for Obama. But AFSCME President Gerald McEntee is incredibly close to the Clintons and viewed as Hillary's biggest booster inside labor. Perhaps Obama's performance today was a sign that AFSCME's endorsement is still in play.


by Doug Dilg on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 07:17:49 PM EST


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